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Ask FSF General Counsel Eben Moglen 279

Posted by Roblimo from the liberty-needs-all-the-defenders-she-can-get dept.
Columbia Law School professor Eben Moglen has been the Free Software Foundation's (pro bono) general counsel since 1993. He's also involved with the Electronic Frontier Foundation and has been mentioned on Slashdot a number of times because of his participation in these groups and some of the worthy causes they support, as well as other freedom-related matters. One question per post, please. We'll run Prof. Moglen's answers to 10 of the highest-moderated questions as soon as he gets them back to us.
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  • Biggest win and loss so far? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Em Emalb ( 452530 ) <ememalb.gmail@com> on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:04PM (#5271390) Homepage Journal
    What would you consider to be your biggest "win" so far?

    How about loss?

    I am sure a lot of us here think we know, but it would be interesting to hear it directly from you.

    thanks for fighting the good fight.

  • View on GNU/Linux (Score:4, Interesting)

    by odyrithm ( 461343 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:04PM (#5271396)
    Whats your view on rms's pressure to have people prefix Linux with GNU?

    MODS: I think this is a valid question. Maybe he will have something interesting to say about it.

    • Better: View on GNU/Linux (Score:4, Insightful)

      by schon ( 31600 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:37PM (#5271683)
      Do you see a contradiction in RMS's pressure to have people prefix Linux with GNU (credit where credit is due), and his assertion that the BSD license isn't (wasn't?) "Free" because it forced you to include copyright notices (which is also "credit where credit is due")?

  • Castle Technologies? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Noryungi ( 70322 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:07PM (#5271419) Homepage Journal
    OK, have you contacted Castle Technologies about their alleged GPL violation?

    If that's the case, you are probably not free to comment on the current proceedings, so a simple "yes" or "no" would be more than enough...

  • Legal fights (Score:4, Interesting)

    by The Bungi ( 221687 ) <thebungi@gmail.com> on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:07PM (#5271421) Homepage
    There have been several documented cases of companies "stealing" GPL code and incorporating it into their closed applications (not excluding embedded solutions and so forth). As far as I know, all of these have been settled out of court to the satisfaction of everyone involved. If such a case ever actually makes it to a court of law, do you consider the foundations, ideology and licenses that make up free/open software sufficiently complete and foolproof enough to successfully make a legal stand? Would you be willing to make that stand?

  • Legal Question (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Dragon213 ( 604374 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:08PM (#5271439)
    What would you offer as the best legal advice to make Linux and other GPL projects more palitable to large businesses and other investors, other than the fact the source code is completely open and free for modifications?
    • [...]other than the fact the source code is completely open and free for modifications?

      I doubt the FSF would use the term "open" to describe Free Software. According to "Why Free Software is better than Open Source" [gnu.org]:

      We are not against the Open Source movement, but we don't want to be lumped in with them. We acknowledge that they have contributed to our community, but we created this community, and we want people to know this. We want people to associate our achievements with our values and our philosophy, not with theirs. We want to be heard, not obscured behind a group with different views. To prevent people from thinking we are part of them, we take pains to avoid using the word ``open'' to describe free software, or its contrary, ``closed'', in talking about non-free software.

  • Clarifying the GPL (Score:5, Interesting)

    by sterno ( 16320 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:10PM (#5271447) Homepage
    One issue that I know has come up for me is how the GPL applies in situations where I'm using GPL software but I'm not actually modifying it. For example, I write a Java application, and it is reliant on a JAR that is GPL'd. Do I then need to GPL my software? I haven't changed the JAR in anyway, I'm just redistributing it with my software. The end user could just as easily download the JAR themselves, it's just a convenience for me to offer it in my package.
    • In a situation like this, you'd probably find that the JAR was licensed under the LGPL [gnu.org], which works differently (I'll let you read it rather than try to explain it).
      • In this specific case, it was not LGPL. If it were LGPL, it would be very clear. In this case, it becomes a matter of confusion because it's not clear to me that his product is being incorporated into mine or that I'm somehow modifying it.

  • Linux? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Amsterdam Vallon ( 639622 ) <amsterdamvallon2003@yahoo.com> on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:10PM (#5271448) Homepage
    You work as a pro-bon loywer which means that you essentiallie work for free.

    This is similar to those of us who code Linux applications ---- we work for free out of matter of principle and consider it as a way of donating to a charity organization since Linux is good for everyone.

    My question is: Is your life effected by your day job (where you get paid) and your "night" job (in which you are the legal counsell for the GNU organization)?

  • GNU vs. other copyrights (Score:4, Interesting)

    by TrekkieGod ( 627867 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:10PM (#5271454) Homepage Journal
    What do you feel is the greteast challenge in enforcing the GPL vs. other more conventional copyrights?

  • Looking to the future (Score:5, Interesting)

    by hrieke ( 126185 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:10PM (#5271458) Homepage
    Where do you see the law and society heading? With companies trying and succeeding in buying laws which protect their markets (RIAA / MPAA, MS) and IP laws covering more and more ground (State Street, SBC), at what point will the law makers have an epiphany and start to reverse these bad laws, or should we hope that we end up with a reactive court to over turn these laws?

  • Free other things (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Chris Croome ( 24340 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:11PM (#5271461) Journal

    What do you think about the applicability of the ideas and organisational methods of the free software movement to things other that software?

    For example free designs of things (products, buildings etc)...

  • appearances (Score:5, Funny)

    by asv108 ( 141455 ) <asv@nOspam.ivoss.com> on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:12PM (#5271465) Homepage Journal
    Was there ever a time when you had to bring some FSF geeks in to court for their expert testimony? How did you manage to clean them up for the courthouse? Was there any beard trimming and/or suit shopping?

  • Pro bono (Score:3, Interesting)

    by program21 ( 469995 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:12PM (#5271469) Homepage Journal
    Since you've been doing work for the FSF pro bono since 1993, have you felt it was worth it?

  • Who is Supposed to Sue a GPL Violator ? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by NotASuit ( 545107 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:12PM (#5271474)
    It seems to me that the FSF arrangement for licenses has a big leg up on other open source arrangements, because it is clear who (the FSF) holds the ability to sue a violator of the license. What's your view of the oft-discussed problem of how to figure out who has standing to sue a GPL violator if there are lots of folks who have contributed to the GPL'd work? Is the only solution the aggregation of rights in an entity like a foundation or trust, the approach the FSF has taken?
    • Recently on LKML, an opinion was expressed that Linus is an editor for the Linux kernel and holds a compilation copyright on the kernels he releases. As such, he has standing to sue any violator. I think this argument has a lot of merit.

  • Free versus Patriot Act (Score:5, Interesting)

    by joelwest ( 38708 ) <joel AT joelwest DOT com> on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:12PM (#5271475) Homepage
    What do you see the greates challenges are to Freedom of Speech given the Patriot act and Patriot II?

  • FSF's W3C patent policy position (Score:5, Interesting)

    by The Pim ( 140414 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:14PM (#5271487)
    I sent the following to info@fsf.org on January 1, and have not received a reply. Since it is a legal question, perhaps Professor Moglen would answer it here. Some context:

    I'm writing because I cannot understand some parts of the "FSF's Position on Proposed W3 Consortium 'Royalty-Free' Patent Policy", at http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/w3c-patent.html .

    First, it is quite clear that you believe that software exercising patents with "field-of-use" licenses cannot be distributed under the GPL. However, it is not clear whether you believe that such software could be distributed as free software at all. Paragraph two seems to say that it could not, but it also appears to conflate GPLed software with free software, so I am not sure this is what the author meant. Paragraph three equivocates by saying "licensing under other free software licenses does not imply free", without saying "licensing under other free software licenses implies not free".

    The impact of the proposed policy on the free software community obviously depends greatly on whether it could prevent us from implementing some standards at all, or only under the GPL. Which is it? (Since most of the document focuses on the GPL, I assume it is the latter. But it should be stated explicitly, and the hints to the contrary should be cleaned up.)

    Second, who exactly would be prevented from distributing software exercising such patents under the GPL? Those in jurisdictions in which the patent applies, or everyone?

    Third, why exactly are "field-of-use" patents incompatible with the GPL? The addendum intended to clarify this matter does not succeed. Step 4 in its example says,

    C's patent license prohibits folks from taking his URL parsing code and putting it into, say, a search engine.
    But C's patent equally prohibits folks from taking a (hypothetical) GPLed search engine and adding URL parsing code. So by that argument, nobody can distribute a GPLed search engine, either. What really is the criterion that prevents distribution under the GPL? Is it that the author "knows" that others will be "tempted" to modify the software such that it no longer meets the "field-of-use" restriction? Is it that the author has accepted the patent license himself?

    And how does this differ from the situation of distributing GPLed software that cannot be used in some jurisdictions? If I distribute cryptographic software under the GPL, it will end up in the hands of people in repressive countries who are not allowed to use (never mind redistribute) it. This would seem to imply that such software cannot be distributed under the GPL.

    I hope you can answer these questions and update the text on your web site.

  • Question (Score:4, Funny)

    by grub ( 11606 ) <slashdot@grub.net> on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:14PM (#5271490) Homepage Journal

    Sir,

    Does RMS refer to you as the "GNU/General Counsel"?

  • Being like you. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:14PM (#5271491)
    As an undergraduate in computer science I have found licensing and intellectual property issues so interesting that I have chosen to go to law school. I would like to advance many of the causes that you support. What advice would you have for an aspiring lawyer who wants to promote freedom and the public domain? What steps would be necessary to support my family and still fight for the cause? How best can a lawyer help society without selling out to big money?

    • I really want to know to, as I am looking to do the same thing.
    • Do like he did: go into academia. You'll have time and a decent salary to pursue a personal agenda.
      • It used to be in the 1980s one could make money raising and selling llamas because everyone wanted to buy them to make money selling them to those who wanted to buy them to make money doing the same etc. While legal, since llamas are beautiful animals in and of themselves, this approach to llama economics still smells to me a bit like a pyramid scheme. See for example: http://members.aol.com/LostCrk431/straightscoop.ht ml [aol.com]

        Consider academia. Professors make money producing PhDs wanted by people so they can produce PhDs wanted by people who want to make money doing the same etc. Considering how an average professor might produce tens of PhDs, where will this lead?

        See any parallels to llama production?

        The Academic PhD market which was hot in the 1950s has over the succeeding decades been collapsing from the weight of overproduced PhDs relative to academic positions. (Yes there are other uses for a PhD but the main use historically was always to teach...)

        For details on "Contemporary Problems in Science Jobs" see: http://his.com/~graeme/cpsj.html [his.com]

        Having said that, obviously some PhDs, like some llamas, are a valuable addition in this diverse world.

    • Re:Being like you. (Score:2, Informative)

      by vsavatar ( 196370 )
      Since I'm also going into law school once I've graduated college (accounting major), I've done a lot of research on what it takes to become a successful attorney. If you haven't read the book "One L" by Scott Turrow(sp?) you'll probably want to do that. It's a very good book about the first year of law school, which surprisingly hasn't changed much since the 1970s (when the book was written) according to attorneys I've talked to, some of which have gotten their law degrees less than 10 years ago. It will tell you what to expect from law school, because it's very hard work.

      If after you've read that and you still decide that you're cut out for being an attorney then the next step would be to take the LSAT in either your junior or senior year of college. I recommend taking a prep course or two first, since your LSAT score is one of the primary criteria for which law schools will let you in. Once you've done that you can start looking into which law school you want to go to and start sending applications till you get accepted somewhere you like.

      Another thing I have also learned is that most law school graduates cannot get into an non-profit organization as a lawyer. It's possible, but difficult to do. The best thing would be to try to secure a position as a law clerk first and try moving up to a lawyer over time, but this could take a few years. The field of law is flooded right now and it's difficult to find a job exactly where you want to.

      As to pro-bono work, depending on the firm you're working for, some will require pro-bono work occassionally, some will prohibit it, and others will allow you to do it, but on your own and on your own time. The EFF obviously does a lot of pro-bono work, but as I mentioned before. Securing a position in an organization such as the EFF, as an attorney would be very difficult to do without significant past experience as a civil/criminal/intellectual property attorney or law clerk.

      In the end, you could decide, like me, to persue various avenues of law instead of subspecializing in something as narrow as intellectual property law. I intend to have my primary practice focusing on civil and criminal defense for low- and middle-income families, charging an affordable fee for those who otherwise couldn't afford to defend themselves. This will allow me to help society, and still make a decent, though not lavish living.

      Just remember, law isn't what you might think it is. It's extremely complex, and it requires you to look at cases from both sides, be able to successfully argue both sides, and analyze very small details in cases. Many people have complained that law school attempts to change their moral character into something they don't like, but the fact of the matter is, if you can't see the opposing counsel's point, how can you successfully counter it. Out of "One L" one thing I found interesting was when the author was talking about a case where a man had pointed a gun at someone to rob them and pulled the trigger, but the gun didn't fire. Was that man guilty of assault or attempted murder? What if he had shot the gun into the air, hit a duck, and the duck fell on the man, would the criminal be guilty of battery in addition to robbery? Those minute details are what the law is all about. You have my best wishes in your efforts at becoming a good, moral trial attorney. Good luck, and have fun!

  • Should litigation be the main weapon? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by The Gline ( 173269 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:15PM (#5271494) Homepage
    Most of the people that are widely considered enemies of digital freedom -- the RIAA, the MPAA -- are using the law as a bludgeoning tool. Does it make sense to fight back using the law as well -- in a sense adopting the same tactics as the "bad guys" -- or should be consider other alternatives before resorting to lawsuits and pre-emptive legislation?
    • I know you didn't ask me, but the FSF isn't asking for new legislation to protect the GPL - simply considering the use of well-established, existing laws to defend copyright. No lobbying, no bludgeoning.

      If anything, it's only remotely comparable to Rambus - and here there was no deception. It would be one thing if someone thought something was BSD licensed because of a confusing README and it turned out to be GPL'd...but the Linux kernel? Not a chance.

  • my questions (Score:4, Interesting)

    by greechneb ( 574646 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:17PM (#5271507) Journal
    How much time do you spend weekly working on this pro bono work?

    How does this time compare to the time you spend teaching, doing research?

    Is your hours spent x typical lawyer wage (curious what that is also) considered a charitable contribution?
    • Another guy responded to this and was correct, but didn't really explain why..

      The idea is that if you had done this work for someone else and been paid N dollars, and then donated those N dollars to your charity, then you'd be net-0.. so if you just do the work for the group, you pretend like they paid you N dollars and you donated it back -- leaving you net-0 and with no additional tax deduction.

  • US v Europe v the world... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by MosesJones ( 55544 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:18PM (#5271513) Homepage

    I'm assuming here that you follow the legal issues that interest you outside of the US. Which country's laws do you wish applied in the US ? It has been said that the US has the appearance of the 1st ammendment with none of its actual manifestations (similar comments have been made about egalite, liberte, fraternite in france), do you agree ?

    And pushing my luck... why is a company able to claim rights assigned to individuals ?

  • GPL and embedded software (Score:5, Interesting)

    by GGardner ( 97375 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:22PM (#5271546)
    As we move to the so-called "PostPC" era, there is more and more embedded software, compared to traditional desktop and server software. Often this embedded software, which controls toasters, VCRs, and all kinds of gizmos, is shipped in ROM. If not in ROM, it is shipped in ways which are very difficult, or impossible for the end-user to access or change. What is the role of the GPL in this case? If someone ships GPL'ed code in such a device, it is hard to even know that. And if so, what value is having the source, if you can't change it? It seems like slashdot is reporting more and more cases of GPL violations for embedded software -- is the FSF seeing this also?

  • Question (Score:5, Interesting)

    by edward.virtually@pob ( 6854 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:22PM (#5271548)
    Given the failure of the DOJ and other cases against Microsoft (no meaningful penalties, technically incompetent judge overseeing DOJ case, requirement to support Java in IE endlessly held up in court) and the continuing wide-spread abuse of IP law to monopolize cyberspace (patents on obviously invalid claims -- decades of prior art, etc.), do you think Free Software (and it's more "popular" spin-off Open Source) has any chance of long term surival in the United States or it is just a matter of time before it is crushed?

  • What can be done about spurious legal threats? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Tom7 ( 102298 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:22PM (#5271549) Homepage Journal
    I've noticed a scary trend in "de facto" internet law: Sites are shut down, projects stopped, and ideas silenced because of scary notices from lawyers. Lots of the time, these cease and desist letters don't actually have much to stand on, but they're so cheap to send, and so effective, that any business with a site it doesn't like and a lawyer on salary would be crazy not to do it. The effect of these letters is chilling (so to speak): sites that are probably legal are shut down without the benefit of a trial, and the "precedent" affects the way other laymen interpret the law. I've seen numerous mostly-serious posts on slashdot proclaiming "Wouldn't this be a violation of the DMCA?" when referring to any sort of activity the MPAA or RIAA, etc. wouldn't like. (Speaking of the DMCA -- it has built-in provisions for making precisely this kind of judge-free takedown by an ISP!) This trend seems to be a serious breakdown of the legal system, and I don't like it.

    My question is: In your opinion, what can be done to change the way the system operates so that spurious legal threats aren't so economical? What can someone like me do, besides donating to the EFF or going to law school?

  • Which crappy law would you have overturned? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by no reason to be here ( 218628 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:26PM (#5271579) Homepage
    If you could wish away one of the several crappy laws that are of concern to the /. crowd, EFF, FSF, etc. which would it be? DMCA? Patriot Act? the Mickey Mouse Copyright Extension? Something Else? And why that one? I guess what I am really asking is: which of these crappy laws past in the last several years do you think is the most damaging?

  • Legal equivalent of GNU (Score:5, Interesting)

    by nattt ( 568106 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:26PM (#5271582)
    If free software / open source / etc. is seen as the saviour of the computer world, what do you see as the route or force to act towards making a better legal profession?

  • GPL v3 backward-compatible? FDL broken? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by divec ( 48748 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:27PM (#5271585) Homepage

    I've heard talk of a new version of the GPL, which will fix shortcomings of version 2 (e.g. that it is unclear whether use of dynamic linking and/or CORBA-style binding to a GPLed work constitutes a "derived work").


    However, a large amount of existing software is distributable "under the terms of the GPL, version 2" (and *not* under "version 2, or at your option, any later version"); for instance, the Linux kernel. Any future software, licensed under a GPL v3, would presumably be incompatible with such existing software.
    Can the FSF do anything to make the GPL v3 backward-compatible with such software?


    Also, would you consider the following part of the FDL to be a bug?

    Examples of suitable formats for Transparent copies include [...] XML using a publicly available DTD

    A DTD only describes the syntactic structure of a document, which may provide nowhere near enough information to understand the file format. [I sent an email to the FSF about this but it seems to have got lost in the ether]

  • Win by any means? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by crush ( 19364 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:28PM (#5271593)
    Prof.Moglen, as someone that is an expert in _winning_ legal battles, battles which inherently depend upon influencing the opinion and perception of the court, do you believe that those that argue that the emphasis of the Free Software Foundation upon "Freedom" is foolish and that it is better to pander to perceived audience of knaves that are less scared by the term "Open Source"?

  • Eldred fallout? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by RoyBoy ( 20792 ) <{roy} {at} {sanwalka.org}> on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:29PM (#5271601) Homepage
    Sir,

    Simply stated, what is your reaction to the Eldred v. Ashcroft decision. How do you think it will affect the legal climate for furthering the position of Free Software? Is this really and indication, as Mr. Lessig has noted, that any hope of the US government developing a more generous and insightful public policy position on the future of IP rights is effectivly on hold? What, if anything, can be done to further this cause other than writing to Congress and/or supporting the EFF?

  • PHB opinions (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Eric Seppanen ( 79060 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:31PM (#5271618)
    My boss' boss (who is quite sharp technically as well as an attorney) thinks that the GPL is stupid because it doesn't read like it was written by a lawyer. He doesn't object to the principles and methods involved-- he's just disgusted by the unlawyerly writing. He says it was written by an amateur, not a lawyer, giving the impression that everyone using it is an amateur, and not serious about their work. What would you say to that?

  • Put you in my will... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by wowbagger ( 69688 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:32PM (#5271623) Homepage Journal
    I'm a single guy, no dependants. I just had to update all my benefits info at work - if I die, who gets my employer-supplied insurance money.

    So how would I go about making the FSF a beneficiary? You might want to put that info on the web site.

    Right now, the only organization I have listed is the NRA - they make it pretty easy to set this sort of thing up.

  • The odious "Web services" hole in the GPL (Score:5, Interesting)

    by iamsure ( 66666 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:32PM (#5271626) Homepage
    The GPL currently has a "hole" in its wording that allows GPL'd web-based programs to in effect be used/hosted/run without being under the enforcement of the GPL (requiring the changes to be released to the public).

    I know because I am the lead developer on a web-based GPL'd game, and we were advised of such by the GNU folks (many thanks for them answering our concerns). They suggested waiting for GPL3 (please PLEASE hurry!), or using the Affero GPL, which we cant, since it isnt compatible with the GPL, and portions of our code are from another project that is GPL'd.

    What isn't clear (and what I hope you can answer) is what the law would say about a company that took a GPL'd web project (like mine), modified it, hosted it, and provided that service to the general public without providing the source to those modifications.

    Is there any legal recourse to developers in that situation, because it has actually occured, and until now, we were under the impression that we were basically powerless until GPL3.0 comes out..

    • Hole vs Intent (Score:3, Insightful)

      by nuggz ( 69912 )
      Two ways to look at this.
      One you are letting people use GPL software, but don't want release the code. You could claim this is like distributing it as you are given direct access to the program. This might be a licensing hole.

      Second is you are providing a service using GPL software. You are explicitly not distributing the software, you are just using it internally to provide a service. You shouldn't have to distribute it.

      There are at least those two interpretations.

      I understand the first, but I agree with the second more. Just because I let you view documents from a GPL web server doesn't mean I should have to give you the source.
    • There have been GPLed servers for many years now. I don't know why this is suddenly considered a problem.

      The GPL has never encompassed usage restrictions. The restrictions of the GPL only happen on distribution. If you don't distribute, then you have no restrictions placed on you at all.

      But perhaps the answer to this is "public performance" rights. If the running of a program on a server can be made a public performance right, then you may have the legal levberage necessary to prohibit it.

  • Did I violate the FDL? (Score:3, Offtopic)

    by KjetilK ( 186133 ) <kjetil AT kjernsmo DOT net> on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:33PM (#5271636) Homepage Journal
    I made a one-page excerpt from the GPG Keysigning Party HOWTO [cryptnet.net], printed ten copies and handed them out at a keysigning party.

    Did I violate the FDL? (If I did, I must apologize to V. Alex Brennen.)

    What I've come to think about is that it seems the FDL requires that the full license text accompanies every copy. When you're making single-page excerpts, it is of course very inconvenient to include a four-page license... But is it really necessary to include the whole license, or is it sufficient to include a short copyright notice referencing the FDL?

    • If your distribution occurred in the US, your use may well have been a Fair Use under US Copyright Law. Since the GPL gets it's strength from Copyright, it follows that any area not regulated by Copyright is not regulated by the GPL. Thus you may make Fair Uses

      If you apply the four factor test to your distribution: you distributed a short portion of a work (tends to find in favor of fair use) verbatim (tends to find against fair use) for non-commercial purposes (tends to find in favor of fair use) and in a way that has no effect on the market for the underlying work (tends to find in favor of fair use). Most of these elements tend to find in favor of fair use.

  • Just read the card (Score:4, Funny)

    by unicron ( 20286 ) <unicron AT thcnet DOT net> on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:37PM (#5271681) Homepage
    Mr. Moglen,

    Your campaign seems to have the momentum of a run-away freight train. Why are you so popular?
    • Your campaign seems to have the momentum of a run-away freight train. Why are you so popular?

      Lisa: Mm. Well, as long as I'm asking something, can I ask him to assuage my fears that he's contaminating the planet in a manner that may one day render it uninhabitable?

      Advisor: No, dear. The card question'll be fine.

  • Helping independent developers work with the GPL (Score:5, Interesting)

    by SwellJoe ( 100612 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:40PM (#5271716) Homepage
    I've recently been doing some contract development work for other companies. These companies, so far, have all been very friendly to GPLing the work they hire me for that extends existing GPLed work.

    However, when I'm preparing contracts I never know just how to specify that wholly original work we do for them will be "Work-for-hire" under whatever license they choose, but code based on and extending GPLed software will be placed under the same license.

    I've browsed through the GNU site, in hopes of locating some example contract language that would make this clear to new customers and make it a legally binding aspect of any agreements made, but alas, I could find no help in this regard.

    I should point out: my clients know that the GPL is an enforceable copyright, and don't have a problem with that--our work with GPL'ed software is usually the reason they come to us...this isn't a question of companies wishing to steal GPLed software. It is a question of how to make those terms compatible with an agreement that covers both GPLed work and non-GPLed "work-for-hire". Usually we are doing a bit of both types of work, and we'd like the contract to reflect that in a clear and comprehensive manner.

    Seems like this would be a common problem for developers, and I was surprised that I couldn't find any documentation about adding this kind of clause to a contract.

  • Onerous EULAs (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    What can be done (or should anything be done) about companies that use GPL'd software to create "derived works", and then attach very un-GPL EULAs to them restricting third-party distribution (such as Lindows is currently doing right now)?

    • That's already covered in the GPL Faq [gnu.org]

      Just be careful about the definition of "derived works" vs. works that coexist, or works that link against system-integral libraries. Non-GPL works can coexist with GPL works, and non-GPL works can link with GPL libraries under certain circumstances; similarly, GPL works can link with non-GPL libraries under the same and similar circumstances (such as a GPL program linking with the Standard C library of the compiler).

  • Legal plan for incorporating free projects? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Paul Fernhout ( 109597 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:44PM (#5271760) Homepage
    With all the problems with software patents and broad interpretation of copyright laws and contributory copyright infringement related to projects that support free communications, why not a step-by-step easy-to-follow blueprint for free software projects incorporating a non-profit for liability reasons (say choosing the state of Delaware)?

    Obviously people can donate code to the Free Software Foundation, but that seems both to centralize liability risk in one organization (why should FSF take the fall for infringing a bogus software patent?) and also to provide less protection to the authors while they are writing free software.

    One can use the Apache model which was incorporated in Delaware, but Apache does not seem have any restrictions in their articles of incorporation related to not selling software. I haven't actually ever found the FSF bylaws or certificate of incorporation anywhere on-line.

    It would be nice to have a detailed process to follow that is a no brainer -- use these words in the articles of incorporation and bylaws, pay some specific (well chosen) corporation that specializes in forming corporations to file the papers ($500), keep up with annual reports and your annual fees for your registered legal agent ($100-200), and you are up and running with a reasonable liability shield if anything innocently infringes.

    I'm thinking of something like this for a free software related organization I'm starting, with wording chosen to ensure the materials stay free:

    The organization's purpose is [details snipped...]

    To that end, the organization may engage in any legal activity, subject
    to the following restrictions intended to ensure free licensing of the
    results of all the organization's efforts (with "free" intended to mean
    "free as in freedom" in the same way as the Free Software Foundation's
    current or future similar definition of "free" licensing for software or
    other creative works of various types -- e.g. public domain, GPL, LGPL,
    GFDL, Python 2.0.1 license -- for detailed examples see:
    http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html
    and related writings or commentary by Richard Stallman included here by
    reference). The restrictions are:
    1) that any copyrights the organization creates itself, or whose
    creation it directly supports in whole or in part, or which it receives
    as donations or otherwise comes to hold, must only be licensed under
    free licenses, and
    2) that any patents the organization creates itself, or whose
    creation it directly supports in whole or in part, or which it receives
    as donations or otherwise comes to hold, must only be licensed under
    free licenses,
    3) that any trademarks the organization creates itself, or whose
    creation it directly supports in whole or in part, or which it receives
    as donations or otherwise comes to hold, will only used to support and
    distinguish endeavors which require the free licensing of all the
    resulting copyrights and/or patents, and
    4) that copyrights, patents, and/or trademarks held for any reason by
    the organization may not be voluntarily transferred from the
    organization without contractual guarantees that future holders will
    abide by these restrictions, and that the organization is required to
    enforce these guarantees to the maximum extent feasible.
    5) that in the event of the likeliehood of an involuntary transfer of
    copyrights, patents, or trademarks from the organization such as from
    the result of a judgement against the organization, the organization
    must take all legal and feasible steps to prevent the transfer or to
    make a voluntary transfer to an appropriate non-profit organization as
    under section (4) or if appropriate place the item in the public domain.
    These restrictions may not be removed by future changes to these
    articles of incorporation.

  • What can one do to forward the cause? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by boyfoot_bear ( 316834 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:45PM (#5271769)
    I think that the FSF is very important and I want to assist but I have my own situation to deal with as well. I would like to make a difference and am seeking the most effective way to do that.

    You are donating your time/knowledge. What are other ways to help?

    Specifically, What is the single best thing a supporter can do to help. In other words What does the FSF need most that we might be able to supply?
    o Money
    o Volunteers (with what skills?, to do what?)
    o Publicity
    o Subject Matter Experts (what subjects?)
    o Something else I can't imagine?

    Thanks.

  • Internationality of the GNU GPL (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Roadmaster ( 96317 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @01:49PM (#5271798) Homepage Journal
    What attempts have been made to both translate the GPL to other languages, and then verify that the translated version still makes sense?

    a translated version of the GPL would be really helpful to those of us who deal primarily with non-english-speaking customers (they all speak spanish here), particularly when they ask about the licensing terms for Free Software we install for them. Instead of telling them to believe us about the license, we'd like to hand them a copy they can read, understand, and then hand to their legal department for them to also read and understand. However, even while there are unofficial translations available, they're still unofficial and thus don't instill much confidence in people.
  • I've often heard that one of the weaknesses of the GPL is that is basically unproven in court. Some folks say that this is because it is so well crafted that most violations are cut and dry and there is little or no need to go to court. Although I don't know enough to either agree or disagree with that, I'd like to see some judge throw the book at someone for GPL violations. Note that I'm not talking about any particular revision of the (L)GPL, but the extended concept of forcing people who use GPL based software to make the changes available.

    What are your thoughts on the necessity of having a ruling, surviving appeal, and generally working its way into our legal culture? Will it give us pro-GPL folks a "big stick" for thwacking violators? Is it even necessary? Has it already happened and I missed it?

  • Pendulum of Rights (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Shadow Wrought ( 586631 ) <shadow.wrought@g ... minus herbivore> on Monday February 10, 2003 @02:01PM (#5271902) Homepage Journal
    In my LawSo classes we studied the cyclical nature of laws regarding individual freedoms in the US which, like a pendulum, swings between greater and lesser individual rights over time. Those rights are echoed in a number of places, including electronic media. It seems that we are entering a time when the pendulum is swinging away from supporting individual rights.

    My question is how you foresee the swing of the pendulum in the future. Do you think that the cycles will get smaller until a balance is reached, or do you see the cycles growing larger and larger until it causes a fracture and/or revolution in our society?

    What role will the conflict over electronic media play in the balancing of individual rights?

    Of course it would also be interesting to hear your views on the cyclical nature of individual rights as well.

  • Creative Commons (Score:3, Interesting)

    by juhtolv ( 2181 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @02:01PM (#5271903) Homepage

    What you think about licences of Creative Commons [creativecommons.org]? Are they really free licences for software, documentation and art?

    It seems, that at least NoDerivs- and NonCommercial-licenses are non-free. After that only these licences are left:

    • Attribution
    • ShareAlike
    • Attribution-ShareAlike
    • Public Domain (not really a licence)

  • Free Software licenses revoable? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by mbrubeck ( 73587 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @02:02PM (#5271916) Homepage
    Recent articles at iLaw [ilaw.com.au] and Advogato [advogato.org] raise the issue that the GNU GPL may be revocable in some jurisdictions. In at least one US state, courts have ruled that copyright licenses without explicit duration can be revoked at any time (see Walthal v. Rusk [cll.com]). But in the GPL FAQ, the Free Software Foundation claims [gnu.org] that the GPL is non-revocable because "the public already has the right to use the program under the GPL, and this right cannot be withdrawn."

    Do you believe this claim is correct in all US jurisdictions, or do some state laws allow licenses like the GPL to be revoked by the copyright holder?

  • You get to do the Digital Millenium Copyright Reform single-handedly. What does it look like?
  • What is the ideal outcome, in your opinion, for copyright? I am not just referring to the length of time, but also whether you would like to see it abolished or not.

    The reason I ask this is because I wonder how anyone could legally prevent GNU software from being distributed as closed source without copyright.

  • Criminality of encryption and the tech lawyers (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Edmund Blackadder ( 559735 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @02:11PM (#5271978)
    Professor Moglen,

    First I would like to say I took both of your upper level law courses at Columbia. Both of these classes were memorable, thought provoking and fun. You really changed my view on many things especially the way our society functions.

    On to my questions. I know your opinions about patent law (for slashdot readers: he thinks it should be abolished). Yet patent law provides a very exciting field of work for a young lawyer that is proficient in technology. Can you suggest any other similar fields for such lawyers? Especially for lawyers that are not quite bright enough to become supreme court clerks?

    My other question has to do with encryption. I agree with your belief that encryption is integral to free speech, and allows one to escape totalitarian governments. But you probably read the new proposed patriot act, which makes using encrypion to commit a crime a seperate offense that is punishable by a significantly long prison term. Do you think if that law is passed it will chill the sue of encryption. Esepcially since computer crimes are new and vaguely defined, and one can easily imagine unkowingly commiting one.

    A third question about the american legal system. Is there any hope of a judiciary that is both independant and free and able to render decisions free of fear and outside pressures after what happened in the bush case, the microsoft case and the terrorist detention cases? Oh, might as well add the pledge of allegience case.

    Maybe I put in too many questions ... please feel free to answer only one.

    If any slashdot readers are columbia law students I highly recommend mr. Moglen's upper level courses. But beware rumors of him being an easy grader are just false.

  • GPL and Linking (Score:4, Interesting)

    by rootmon ( 203439 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @02:16PM (#5272016)
    Can you describe the official position of the FSF in regards to linking to GPL'd code? For example, everyone seems pretty clear about static linking requiring the derived work to be GPL'd, but your past statements and those of RMS have differed in regards to dynamically linked works. Linus has recently been vocal about his view that binary-only kernel modules for drivers are a GPL violation. Can you clarify the FSF's position as to if/when dynamically linking a non-GPL program or module to a GPL'd library or kernel violates the GPL?

  • software patents (Score:4, Interesting)

    by guacamolefoo ( 577448 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @02:23PM (#5272090) Homepage Journal
    How does the FSF intend to deal with the issue of software patents, particularly in light of Caldera's recent demands?

    GF.

  • What is a Derivative Work? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Royster ( 16042 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @02:24PM (#5272099) Homepage
    Many questions on the applicability of the GPL to a particular distribution scheme hinge on the legal question of whether the work is a derivative of some GPLed work.

    What do you consider are the key considerations in determining if a work is derivative or not?

  • Future FSF Documentation/Media License(s) (Score:3)

    by Patoski ( 121455 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @02:25PM (#5272101) Homepage Journal
    The FDL is a very complex document which most lay people find very difficult to grasp. Are there any plans on cleaning up the language in this license to make it more readable like the GPL?

    Are there any plans currently to draft a license for artistic assets like graphics, music and sound effects and if not why? In many programs there are often artistic assests which are distributed with programs. Games are an obvious example but even in every day programs there are icons, sound effects and other UI elements associated with a program. Using the GPL and/or FDL for artistic assets seems a bit like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole as this isn't the purpose these licenses were created for.

  • DMCA creates spirit of fear on GATOS project (Score:4, Interesting)

    by kanaka ( 9693 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @02:28PM (#5272136) Journal
    I recently purchased an ATI card that has TV-out. This functionality used to be somewhat supported by the gatos project. However, apparently it has recently been allowed/forced to rot. The gatos devel list gets asked about this functionality every few days, and the developers apparently have NDA info from ATI on how to accomplish this, but there seems to be a spirit of fear on the list that has silenced activity in this area.

    I can echo this sentiment. Even if I thought I was legally in the "right" I wouldn't risk getting involved in a legal battle just to get a component on my $40 video card to work.

    What advice would you give gatos devopers (or developers of similar code)?

  • Copyright Assignment to the FSF and defendability (Score:4, Interesting)

    by hardaker ( 32597 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @02:36PM (#5272232) Homepage
    Many FSF/Gnu projects require copyright assignment to the FSF. IE, it's not acceptable to merely release your work under the GPL license to have it included into the main package. The reasons are obvious, it houses all the copyright ownership in a single more defensible place.

    But in actuality, I wonder if it'll make a difference. Specifically, I know the FSF requires some documentations from employers to double check the submissions were written with consent of a company that sponsored the work. However, there are problems with how things "really work" in the real world:

    1) submission authors are never bugged again in the future to ensure that they aren't working for a new company.

    2) many Gnu packages accept small patches without assignment ("if it's less than 6 lines of new code, we'll just apply it"), just not large ones.

    The reason I bring this up is that I'm not convinced that the paperwork and bureaucracy overhead even amounts to the level of protection that is needed. It certainly hinders development in many cases as well by slowing down progress with paperwork.

    Do you have any comments on the above that will enlighten me into the legal field of copyright assignment (of which I admit I know very little).
  • This may not relate to GNU directly, but it definately hinders Open Source: What is your opinion on the current Patent process - For example Amazon patented "On Click Buy", I believe patents are good, but they should not allow "business process patents"; Also anthing that receives a patent should be proven by a PHYSICAL working implmentation with DETAILED steps, such that any improvement on any of the steps would allow for a new patent.
  • Companies such as MySQL AB and Trolltech (QT) appear to be making a living by offering software both as free software and non-free software. In the case of MySQL, it's my understanding that paying for the non-free version is simply a question of garuanteeing support (and possibly getting warranty of the product).

    How do you feel about using this type of software? Technically it is non-free, but you could hardly claim that it's `dividing users and keeping them helpless', nor would I consider it immoral. What's your take on this sort of buisness?

  • "Defensive" patents. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 10, 2003 @02:48PM (#5272345)
    There's been talk of filing 'defensive' patents of late by several Open Source vendors/organizations.

    As I understand it, they'd file patents on key technologies, and then give out unlimited, no-cost, no-royalty licenses for the technology to be used in Open Source projects.

    Do you see this as a good idea for Open Source, or a bad one? Theoretically, the patent system is supposed to, well, work.

    One would think that if someone discovered a technology, implemented it, and then shared it freely with the world.. If others used that technology, the discoverer wouldn't be able to just turn around and say, "Okay, now I'm filing, prepare for lawsuits!"

    Or, one would think that even if there was a patent for something, a company wouldn't be able to ignore widespread, easily visible infringement (see the .gif fiasco). They shouldn't be able to sit on a patent, just waiting for everyone to start using the patented technology, and then open up the legal guns.

    I'm not really asking whether the patent system is broken or not, if improvements can be made, or anything of that sort. Basically, I'm just asking that, given the current state of affairs with the idea of patents, if Open Source companies should file for so-called defensive patents or not.

    Are they really necessary, or could Open Source software stand on legal ground without them? Many people, including myself are worried that if defensive patents are filed, a company, even an Open Source company, could turn around later and say, "Here's your bill!"

    Given the recent outbreaks of patent shennanigans and corporate corruption, I think we'd be stupid to believe that all Open Source entities are inherently "good", that they wouldn't try something like this. Software and defensive patents have been debated on Slashdot before, but it'd be nice to hear an actual lawyer's view on the subject - especially a lawyer so involved with Open Source and Free Software.
  • Whenever the question of the enforceability of the GPL comes up, the usual answer is something like 'If someone is distributing GPL software under terms other than the GPL, standard copyright certainly applies; the distributor might not be forced to comply with the GPL, but other copyright remedies would be applicable.'

    This answers only one side of the question. The other side is interesting and I have never seen it addressed. That is, is the GPL binding on the grantor?

    I doubt that the FSF is going to change its mind about Free Software, but what if some commercial vendor who has contributed substantial amounts of software licensed under the GPL and that software has become widely available through sources other than the vendor. The vendor then gets purchased, goes into liquidation, or simply decides that Free Software is not such a good business plan, and makes the claim that their previous grants under the GPL are not binding on them, at least not to those who have not purchased the software directly from the vendor. Since the vendor has received no consideration from such people, the agreement is invalid, and the vendor can enforce its copyrights against anyone distributing the software under the GPL unless they have purchased a license directly from the vendor.

    There are some commercial entities who could cause substantial problems for the if they were to try this so it is more than just a hypothetical question. One could certainly imagine a large, non-Free software vendor trying to buy out certain Free software vendors just to make the Free Software legally unavailable.

  • Suggestions for beginners? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by chas7926 ( 513140 ) <charles AT ryancentral DOT org> on Monday February 10, 2003 @03:06PM (#5272469) Homepage
    Hello,

    I am currently a third year Computer Science major at a small southern university. I would ultimately like to complete my CS degree, attend law school, and help with the battle you are fighting (eg become an attorney for the EFF). What suggestions would you have for people like me?

    Thanks,
    Chas

  • MPAA vs. 2600 (Score:5, Interesting)

    by John Miles ( 108215 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @03:11PM (#5272518) Homepage Journal
    Why, exactly, did the EFF choose not to appeal [eff.org] the 2nd Circuit Court decision against 2600 Magazine in the DeCSS-linking case?
  • I think a lot of people have this same question. But speaking for myself - why work thru the system? I believe it is inherently corrupt, and our strengths lie in thchnology like encryption and decentralized p2p networks, that will do far more to create the change we need for the better and relieve us of the copyright beast riding our backs than any legal manuvers I can think of.

    Other than to maybe hold back the atacking dogs another day or two while we consolidate our strengths and technologies - I just cant see a reason to ever rely on or even expect the system to change and embrace our best interests unless it is forced to from the outside.

  • Becoming an IP Laywer (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Alcueso ( 649255 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @03:14PM (#5272542)
    I am trying to develop a career in law, working in Intellectual Properties. Whats the best way ( a good way) for a young person like me, who has had no prior experience in law, to be a successful student, and develop a successful career? I am 22 years old, i just graduated from the University of Illinois in Urbana/Champign in computer engineering, and had several interships to supplement my education. even though i am working in Information Technology, I have started the process of applying to law schools in the Chicago area. I would like to incorperate my education in techonlogy with one in law, and would appreciate any advice you can offer. Thanks
  • Do you ever get tired of explaining to people why the GPL isn't an evil, communist plot against the American people and their values?
  • What, realistically, can we do to have the consumer's voice and interests heard more effectively in our Legislatures, balancing our interests in legislation such as UCITA, CFAA, DMCA, etc?

  • Patriot II (Score:3, Interesting)

    by rjelks ( 635588 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @03:46PM (#5272838) Homepage
    I was wondering what the E.F.F. was planning to do about the new Patriot Act (Patriot II) that Bush has recently announced. The first Patriot Act was passed shorly after the tragedy of 9/11 without much scrutiny by congress. Do you have any plan of action to make to general public more aware of the real threats to this new proposed legislation?
  • If a professor wants to initiate and/or contribute to a GPL program, can he do it without complications due to universities claiming intellectual property rights?

    Can work funded by the federal government (for example, the National Science Foundation or the AFOSR (air force office of scientific research)) be licensed under the GPL?

  • HOWTO Abuse DMCA 512h subpoena process (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Many observers have speculated about the wide-ranging consequences of DMCA 512h, the focus of the current legal battle between RIAA and Verizon. Critics of the law claim that the potential for abuse is staggering because of the prevalence of copyrighted material on the internet and the low requirements for getting a subpoena issued.

    My question is about the possibility of a grassroots movement designed to abuse, and thereby expose the flaws of, DMCA 512h. Since anything someone writes, for example, email and public forum posts, can be copyrighted, would there be an easy way for ordinary people to have their copyrighted material stored or transmitted on the networks of certain organizations in such a way that they could, in good faith, suspect infringement, and then acquire and serve these subpoenas on these organizations? I'm envisioning something like a million subpoenas sent to, say, RIAA's service provider for copyright infringment of individuals' emails.

    This is, of course, purely hypothetical.

  • If GPL'd software achieves monopoly status, the community is regarded as a single entity, and the "free as in beer" status of the software is regarded as "product dumping", how should the monopoly be broken up?

    Of these condtions, the regarding of a "community" as a single entity is the least likely, so if you remove that condition and imagine a situation in which, for example, RedHat dominates the desktop and has complete copyright control of a GPL'd desktop, how should that situation be addressed? The classical argument is that competition would be created via forking, but as RedHat moves to not supporting editions from just a couple years ago, this "free beer" could be regarded as a form of product bundling designed to lock people into their support service. The GPL's practical tendency to fix prices at or near zero could be regarded as a form of collusion among GPL'd software vendors.

    The bottom line, IMHO, is that being dominated by a single player in any industry is bad. True competition implies that the source isn't shared in the manner in which the GPL permits--it gives rise to a tendancy to reuse code as opposed to coming up with alternative (and sometimes innovative) solutions to problems. I don't see how haveing a single player, GPL'd or otherwise, benefits consumers and others are likely to feel the same way.

    Perhaps this could be solved by a simple pledge among the competing companies to GPL their apps, but not to share the source--but then that would be totally contrary to the GPL...

  • How to make the uber-geek-lawyer? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Aquitaine ( 102097 ) <`gro.masmai' `ta' `mas'> on Monday February 10, 2003 @05:16PM (#5273737) Homepage
    Hello Professor,

    Short version of my question: There always seems to be a lot of wonder whenever a lawyer knows his or her techiespeak; everyone wishes that lawyers knew their technology better and that techies knew their law better. How should a quasi-geek like myself prepare to apply to a good law school?

    Long(er) version: I am a geek with a liberal arts background (so not quite as hard-core in the geek arena as many around here, but enough to make a living out of it these days!). I have a BA in English and theatre arts (acting) from Cornell and am employed as a web developer with a focus on web accessibility (practical, technical aspects as well as legal). So what should a reasonably well-rounded person who is fascinated by law in cyberspace be doing to stand out when admissions time comes? (to an NYC-area school like Columbia or NYU, hopefully!)

    Thanks very much,
    Samuel Knowlton

  • How is GNU being keet strong? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by thogard ( 43403 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @05:19PM (#5273770) Homepage
    Many newer laws are slowly nibbling away at the rights hackers have had in the past and some new laws are clarifying the fact that some rights we thought we had don't exist.

    Right now if I get a program and I suspect has GNU code in it and its "protected" via something as simple as xor encrption, I can't verify its got stolen colde it in because I can't get at it because of things like the reverse engineering bits of DMCA.

    What is being done to protect the rights of people that successfully verify a comercial closed source program has GPLed code it in?

  • Contractual Terms? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Evan927 ( 15553 ) <.gro.lacinonac. .ta. .nave.> on Monday February 10, 2003 @05:42PM (#5274043) Homepage Journal
    Professor Moglen,

    There has been a lot of discussion [advogato.org] in the free software community lately about giving the GPL contractual terms to make it stronger. What do you think about this route?

  • How would you change the law? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by sotweed ( 118223 ) on Monday February 10, 2003 @09:37PM (#5276003)
    Given that modern day law did not specifically anticipate free software, is there any modification (not limited to copyright law) of the law which you would like to see enacted in order to advance the cause of free and open source software?

    Disney and others aren't shy about buying the changes they want; why shouldn't we at least ask?

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