FEC Permits Anonymous SMS Spam 240
crm114 writes "The Washington Post is running a story about the Federal Election Commission's decision today to waive the requirement that SMS broadcast messages indicate their origin..." And it'll only cost you ten cents to read each one. For what it's worth, you can read the agenda item which describes the issue before the FEC. It's rather interesting because it includes drafts of two possible responses by the FEC, depending on which way the commissioners actually voted at today's meeting. Although the company seeking the opinion suggested alternatives like providing a toll-free phone number in the message (preserving the spirit of the campaign finance disclosure rules), the FEC doesn't appear to have taken them up on it.
Easy solution (Score:3, Funny)
Easier solution (Score:2, Funny)
Voila! On-paper cost reduction == inflated on-paper stock price. With recent events and all, you don't have to be a sleepy SEC chairman to figure out what comes next.
Solutution (Score:2, Insightful)
Duh. Besides getting TXT messages on a 7x2 LCD display is not what I call fun anyways. In the same time you can enter a relatively useful message you could have called the dude and been done with.
Tom
Re:Solutution (Score:2)
Also, if someone isn't answering their phone (for whatever reason) you could just send them an SMS instead of making them have to phone up their voice mail retrieval.. which ususally costs them money.
Sure a 7x2 screen isnt fun, but its enough and it gets a message across. I dont need it in full colour antialiased text to get the point
Re:Solutution (Score:2)
If a piece of technology has a use, but it annoys the hell out of me and costs me more to use it (Divx, anyone?), I think it perfectly acceptable to refuse to use it.
Re:Solutution (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Solutution (Score:2, Funny)
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Two reasons (Score:5, Insightful)
In Australia (and I gather everywhere else where mobiles are popular except the US) SMS is regarded as an essential feature by just about anyone under 30.
Re:Two reasons (Score:2)
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Re:Two reasons (Score:2)
So that's why they suck as a racing team sponsor! If they charged more, maybe Verstappen would have had a car that was worth a damn. Maybe there would still be a team...
A simple scenario (Score:2)
I dunno about you and your friends, but for my friends it's a major way we make sure we meet up on a Friday night.
:BTW, where's the astronomy department?
Re:Solutution (Score:2)
Re:Solutution (Score:2)
Re:Solutution (Score:2)
The FCC was very, VERY slow in approving Bell Telephone's request for airspace in the 800MHz frequency range so it could deploy cellular. In fact, they took TEN YEARS to approve the request.
Re:Solutution (Score:2)
Phht. I get my SMS messages on my Visor Prism, with a 160x160 16-bit color screen (not that the color serves any purpose for SMS).
Unfortunately, the only person I know who knows how to uses SMS is my wife, so they're limited to things like "don't forget to get the baby's medicine" and "i wanna *** you when we get home".
Re:Solutution (Score:2)
$0.10 per SMS message, and $0.03 per KB of GPRS data.
Yes, sending/receiving that same 150k via GPRS would cost me $4.50 here.
Rather than pick up the occasional bit of data traffic from me, I have absolutely no use for their service at that price. I'll use their voice service (at least until they go under), but it's not surprising that customers are mad.
SMS between customers on the same network used to be free until they started gouging for that too...
SpamAssassin... (Score:2)
I'm glad I don't have any of those devices...
Wyatt
Re:SpamAssassin... (Score:2)
but it sure is a pig. SLOW. Way, way too slow.
Even on a fast box.
Any solutions?
Run it in the background (Score:2)
AFAICT, most of the slowdown is doing net lookups of spam listings.
Teenager girls beware! (Score:3, Funny)
Oh waaaaiiiiiit. . . .
SMS spam the FEC! (Score:2, Funny)
I'm joking folks, but perhaps its time for some old fashioned usenet community policing?
Dear Senator (Score:5, Funny)
Thank you for your recent communication to my cellphone. While I appreciate your message, "WNT2BYurVOTE", especially it's efforts at minimizing my time, I would like to refer you to the enclosed copy of my the bill I received from my wireless carrier.
Also enclosed you will find an invoice charging you the $.10 I was charged for the reception of this unsolicited message. While I understand [Insert Political Party Here]'s fundraising isn't what it used to be, I still think this is reprehensible behavior.
Lastly, you'll notice the bill includes a $30,000 handling fee for the disposal of your message.
Thank you for your time, and if you really need to buy votes, please try Florida.
Re:Dear Senator (Score:2)
OTOH, it probably is Senator Jacka$$. It's always Senator Jacka$$. Blast him and his SMS spam!
Become your own politcal party. (Score:5, Funny)
I can hardy wait to start receiving spam from the penis enlargement party.
Thats why I removed messaging from my phone (Score:2)
"Paid for by..." (Score:2, Insightful)
A problem where user pays (Score:5, Informative)
Certainly here in the UK, the calling party pays for calls and text messages and it costs nothing to receive either. As a result, mobile (cellphone) numbers are handed out freely to all and sundry, with mobile phones being used much more conspicuously by everyone aged eight upwards.
While it does not justify spamming, the idea that SMS spamming where the receiving party actually has to pay for the junk is one that wouldn't be tolerated here, and shouldn't be tolerated in the US or anywhere else.
Re:A problem where user pays (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:A problem where user pays (Score:4, Interesting)
Not that any message you ever send via ICQ ever gets delivered - none that I have tried anyway, so maybe ICQ are actually having problems with their SMS charging.
Re:A problem where user pays (Score:2)
I don't think the UK telcos care really. The SMS messaging costs basically nothing for them too, the air time is miniscule.
So, basically, the UK public get charged for wireless SMS sending only. That's 10 pence for something that probably costs under 0.05 pence!
Re:A problem where user pays (Score:2)
Re:A problem where user pays (Score:2)
It's because they want to advertise that "sending text messages is free" so people will buy into it. I find it very deceptive and annoying. When you find out the real cost, you don't want to use it because you will cost the other person money, probably without their permission.
My carrier in Canada (Telus Mobility) used to have it that way, but it recently changes to the you only pay to receive if the sender was using a computer and not a phone. Otherwise the sender always page CAD$0.10. (This is about US$0.065).
Re:A problem where user pays (Score:2)
Yes, it does seem silly. And on the carriers where you have to pay for receiving SMS (*cough* Fido *cough*) I could just sent 1000 e-mails to my enemy's number and cost him $100 on the spot.
Re:A problem where user pays (Score:2)
Re:A problem where user pays (Score:2)
people would bitch either way (Score:3, Insightful)
as much as spam sucks.. people will still bitch either way...
open letter (Score:3, Funny)
Dear FEC:
FEC YOU!
Signed,
Poot Rootbeer
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A bill for what? (Score:2)
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Hrm... (Score:5, Interesting)
The Slashdot Summary is somewhat misleading (Score:5, Insightful)
I can see why the FEC voted as it did. A standard disclosure statement like:
takes up 74 characters, nearly half the 160-character limit. That doesn't leave much room for a message. However, it raises a larger question: is SMS a useful medium for campaign messages to begin with?You can't fit much of a political message into 160 characters. Those that will fit, like "I Like Ike," are generally only effective if presented by a human being. Seeing a person wear an "I Like Ike" button is a much more powerful message than receiving an anonymous "I Like Ike" message on your phone.
And as the article points out, wireless devices are a personal and private medium for most consumers. They should not be turned into roaming, vibrating billboards, especially since the owners of the devices will be forced to read the advertisements.
Re:The Slashdot Summary is somewhat misleading (Score:2)
<grumble>stupid submit button next to the preview button...</grumble>
Re:The Slashdot Summary is somewhat misleading (Score:2)
Anybody got Tina Turner's cell phone number?
Re:The Slashdot Summary is somewhat misleading (Score:2)
Re:The Slashdot Summary is somewhat misleading (Score:2)
owners of the devices will be forced to read the advertisements.
But they will be.
There are some who believe that public events venues shouldn't be named for corporations. San Francisco's Candlestick Park was so renamed, but the new San Antonio stadium hasn't ever had a proper name, being only "SBC Arena."
Corporations do not see any reason to not plaster their names and logos on everything they can, and that is starting to include my inbox, no matter what kind of device I use.
Heck, not too long ago there was a proposal floating around San Antonio to rename a shrine of the Texas Revolution (1836) to The American Airlines Alamo.
Billboards, busses, taxicab signage are old news. Product placements in movies, sporting events, and now the names of public places are now becoming standard, with no way for your average individual to opt out. It doesn't matter to the people who dream these things up that we might not want them, or that they might not be annoying. Why is dropping their logo onto my desktop any different? AOL does it with virtually every piece of software I install now.
Maybe PDAs and cell phones shouldn't be a roaming billboard, but what marketer wouldn't love a prime piece of real estate on something someone must look at -- and often -- to get work done? What makes anyone think they won't find a way? It's easy enough: Corp X buys the right from Telco Y to send Customer Z an unlimited number of text messages at no cost to Customer Z, so cost-shifting isn't an issue. The only new thing is delivery.
Re:The Slashdot Summary is somewhat misleading (Score:2)
IANAL, but I imagine a court would ultimately find that greater harm is done to consumers by SMS advertising than by FAX spamming. That is why SMS advertising and campaigning will ultimately fail if they become widespread.
Congratulations to the FEC! (Score:2)
Paying for unsolicited SMS (Score:5, Informative)
You're right (Score:3, Informative)
At&t prostitute alert! (Score:5, Interesting)
"Good news! You can now use your AT&T Wireless phone to make international calls to over 220 countries. Visit [censored] for rates & info"
Sender: 9263
Sent: August 22, 2002 16:32 PT
It COMPLETELY freaked me out!!! Since I ONLY used the pager/sms as an emergency contact and I rarely get paged (unlike the sysadmin days), my first reaction was anexity and concern for my family. I had to stop being productive today due to At&t insisting on forcing their advertising through a service plan I pay for. Which, by the way, it is something I get charged for, and there is a line item on my bill. But that's not the point - we pay for it even if there is no line for it on the bill. Just because it's "included" doesn't mean I am not paying for the service. I find it deeply insulting that I should pay for a service that does not act as it should and actively seeks to dimish the quality of it's service through captive audience techniques.
I am very upset and harmed by At&t's actions and as such, I wouldn't mind hearing from civil litigation and personal injury rats^H^H^H^H^H laywers on how I may persue this matter and seek restitiution for the harm they have caused me:
- personal trauma
- loss of work
- theft of service
- telecom fruad
- bait & switch
Since government action has removed any hope of my ever being able to obtain lawyers, guns or money, I might suggest the slashdot effect be directed at the above sender. :)
Re:Paying for unsolicited SMS (Score:2)
Anyways... An engineer over at ATTWS ported an irc client to hdml(pre-wap) website, hows that for super geeky. Much better than SMS (imho)..
Heres a tip you might not know, ATTWS to stop spam cold on the Pocketnet service, changed from phone numbers to a 14 digits number, so if you wanted to spam someone, you had to send out 10K emails to reach 1 person. BTW, spam triggers would start and block a large ammount of spam.
The isp spam war that nobody talks about.
Re:Paying for unsolicited SMS (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Paying for unsolicited SMS (Score:2)
It is completely inappropriate for AT&T to use SMS for any sort of unsolicited advertising. That's not what I'm paying you for.
Re:Paying for unsolicited SMS (Score:2, Informative)
(Partial)Bullshit.
I have a phone through ATTWS, and I pay for messages over my alloted amount. I used to have an unlimited quota, but now I don't. I was forced into a new plan to get a break on another pricing issue, and I was told that unlimited messages were no longer an option. i.e. Once I switched plans, I COULD NOT GO BACK to an unlimited SMS pricing plan.
ATTWS eastern WA state
Re:Paying for unsolicited SMS (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Paying for unsolicited SMS (Score:2)
It costs the RECEIVER money? (Score:2, Informative)
Although there are the cases where you request information from a service, and they cost (I assume), although they are things you've explicitely asked for... how can it be legal to charge someone to receive messages on their phone they don't want?
I have received a couple of pieces of spam SMS here... but they didn't cost me anything to read and delete them straight away...
Re:It costs the RECEIVER money? (Score:2)
This only affects political advertising (Score:3, Informative)
The first paragraph of the article:
"A decision by federal election regulators to exempt text-based wireless ads from campaign disclosure rules has critics warning that consumers could find their mobile phones subject to a flood of political spam as campaign 2002 kicks into high gear."
Polling restrictions (Score:2, Interesting)
"Vote for
Right.
Somebody has taken an interest (Score:2, Insightful)
So it's not a politician or "interest group" looking for the FEC ruling. It's a provate business.
No doubt the NJ tech firm is seeing dollar signs in being a conduit for delivery of political messages via SMS. For all the naysayers who contend that SMS political spamming will never happen
Perfect! (Score:2, Funny)
Limited to political ads only, huh? (Score:3, Funny)
According to the article, the SMS spams wouldbe limited to political messages only.
Yeah, sure, I can see it now..
Dear registered Democrat voter,
Your support in the upcoming election is crucial. You can't let Jesse Helmes get reelected *again*, can you? Help us get rid of him! Our plan is to send him a kit comprising our patented Herbal Viagra, our Miracle Penis Enlargement pill and our Female Attractor Pheromone After-Shave. Pretty soon the old geezer will be too busy to leave home, and then he'll die of sheer exhaustion.
But we need to test the kit first. That's why we're offering it to you for only $199.99. We figured that as it is, you probably don't get much. Why else would you be a registered Democrat voter?
Don't delay, act now, call 1-800-SMS-SPAM.
See why I have my doubts about the political message only exemption?
P.S. I could have picked Hillary and the Republicans. Nothing personal.
Re:Limited to political ads only, huh? (Score:2)
Dear registered Democrat voter, Your support in the upcoming election is crucial. You can't let Jesse Helmes
Oooh. Neat. Delete.
ATT Wireless doesn't charge to get text messages. (Score:2)
SMS overall? (Score:2)
Re:SMS overall? (Score:2)
What about the 500ft limit? (Score:2)
I'll sue! (Score:2, Interesting)
Upside down charges (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Upside down charges (Score:2)
Re:Upside down charges (Score:2)
160-chr lmt vld arg bt FEC rlng unyy (Score:2)
Better would be to retain the requirement that the originator be readily identifiable but allow more flexibility in the form that this takes: "Sent from http://www........org/", for example, would still leave enough room in the message to be usable. (The originator phone number shown with the message isn't adequate identification, IMHO, because it puts too much onus on the receiver expend time and money to track the originator down, though it should be a requirement that the number is a genuine toll-free one operated by the message originator and manned at the time the messages are sent...)
Quite why any candidate or organisation would want to use this medium in a country where many of the recipients will have to pay to receive the message is left as an exercise for the reader.
My biggest concern.. (Score:2)
Especially with a high propability rate of success, being that wireless providers can fill up exchanges pretty fast with subscribers. A more logical approach would be for each cellular subscriber to create a unique alias and/or number combination for sending messages, making brute force attacks much less propable (assuming you don't post your address on the web, only to be harvested by email-harvesting spam-spiders).
Or, disabling the option altogether. As a Nextel subscriber, there's nothing I could do to stop someone from costing me 10 cents a text message - it comes with every plan i've seen, so theoretically it would be easy to hit almost every subscriber within an NPA/exchange.
Explain this to me please: (Score:2)
Americans have to PAY to RECIEVE an SMS???
No wonder it never took of over there...
Re:Explain this to me please: (Score:2)
This is actually quite OK (Score:2)
Spam costs relatively nothing, SMS still costs a nickel or two to send. Do you really think a spammer will shell out $100k to reach a million mobile subs with his "Enlarge your penis now!!" message?
I don't see the danger of misuse for spam as that high - I see the pros outweighing that risk.
(However, I still think Europe has a better charging model where the initiating party always pays in full for the telecom transaction - you never pay to receive in Europe, except in a few special circumstances which you are always aware of when they occur and have to deliberately initiate. But that's another story altogether.)
Re:This is actually quite OK (Score:2)
Re:This is actually quite OK (Score:2)
Re:This is actually quite OK (Score:2)
But dammit, I don't want to... (Score:3, Funny)
All GSM operators should be barring sms spam (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Oh for crying out loud! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Oh for crying out loud! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Oh for crying out loud! (Score:3, Funny)
FROM: +614042511111
Did checking this SMS message while you were driving cause you to have an accident. We are offering 30% off autobody work at Spackle Kings Autobody. Plus you get some free DHEA and a university degree with every fender straightening.
Re:Oh for crying out loud! (Score:2)
How on earth could you possibly wonder.
It has been obvious for years, and stated again and again on this forum and others, with solid evidence to back it up, that corporations have bought and paid for our government, and have been doing so in every election since the Supreme Court aborigated the constitution and ruled that corporate $$$ == Human Speech.
In short, stop wondering. Corporations have usurped the will of the people and taken over our government. If that wasn't obvious to you in the 2000 election, what does it take. A visitation from God elucidating the fact?
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Re:Oh for crying out loud! (Score:2)
Kind of reminds me of the joke about the two political parties that had meetings in the same restaurant.
The Republicans ate a whole bunch, laid out lavish tips, and said, "Don't forget to vote for us Republicans".
The Deomocrats ate a whole bunch, didn't tip a lousy dime, and said, "Don't forget to vote for us Republicans".
Re:Oh for crying out loud! (Score:2)
In Europe the caller pays for everything, even when the other is roaming.
BTW I would read the fine print on who pays while you are roaming in another country.
Re:Al Gore invented the Internet (Score:2, Informative)
Al Gore never claimed he invented the Internet. [snopes2.com] Read and weep.
Re:Al Gore invented the Internet (Score:2)
It sure looks to me like he clamed to have created the Internet, or am I not understanding the last three words of his quote?
Re:Al Gore invented the Internet (Score:2)
Remember it was arpanet, then some committee on govenment opened it up to the public, where it became internet. Would you like to guess who was in charge of the comittee?
here is a hint his initials are A.G.
Re:Al Gore invented the Internet (Score:2)
It is a free standing sentence. Please tell me how I am misunderstanding what he said.
It's like when the Democrats and Republicans where fighting over school lunches and the Democrats where saying that a reducation in the projected rate of increase was a cut when it was not a cut.
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Re:Depends on what the meaning of is is..... (Score:2)
"The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case."
--Pella, Iowa, as quoted in the San Antonio Express News, Jan. 30, 2000"
And at least Clinton didn't toss the Constitution out the window...
"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier...just as long as I'm the dictator..."
--Washington, DC, Dec 18, 2000, during his first trip to Washington as President-Elect
Re:So what? (Score:2, Funny)
Notice how there are advertisements _everywhere_? I mean, there are advertisements in the toilets, now... Sometimes at dinner, I feel like blurting out to my family, "this dinner brought to you by [tech company A]; we make tomorrow's technology happen today!"
Re:So what? (Score:2, Insightful)
I just hope it doesn't cost any money to switch SMS ID's, for the sake of the people who start getting more noise than signal. That's what I did with ICQ numbers and emails that were getting too many spams.
Re:Paying for SMS message (Score:2)
Re:WTF? (Score:2, Informative)