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Stabilized Cameras for Long-Distance Surveillance 123

DrBlake writes "New York Times has an article about new systems used to stabilize cameras hung from aircraft. Apparently they make it possible to see many details at 500 meters or higher. The systems are interesting in themselves and the article raises interesting concerns about what implications the systems have on privacy."
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Stabilized Cameras for Long-Distance Surveillance

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  • hmpth (Score:1, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    My head in an aircraft counts as a stabilised camera which can see beyond 500 metres. That is, unless I'm in economy class.
  • Privacy is a myth (Score:5, Insightful)

    by laetus ( 45131 ) on Thursday June 20, 2002 @08:05AM (#3735183)
    From an American perspective:

    1) Employers, insurers and financial institutions have access to your credit records
    2) Employers and financial institutions have or are fighting for access to your medical records (why employ or make a loan to a dying man)
    3) Marketing companies are tracking your shopping, spending, web viewing, etc. habits on a daily basis
    4) In its fight against terrorism, the federal government is putting in place systems to find out anything about you at anytime (scan the headlines if you don't believe it).

    I'm not paranoid. Just realistic and a bit fatalistic. Privacy in modern America is a myth. Watch what you say or do, because others certainly are.
    • Re:Privacy is a myth (Score:1, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward
      It's still amusing how many people think that their lives are so important that people are spying on them. The reality check for today is that no one cares about 99.99999% of the people in this world. You might think that the Man (tm) is out to get you, but your life is probably irrelevant to all but about a dozen or more people (and this isn't you personally, it's most of the people on this planet).

      It's good to worry about things like this, but let's not all get paranoid that we're being featured on "Enemy of the State" because we're way too damned boring.
      • "The reality check for today is that no one cares about 99.99999% of the people in this world. "
        Two things wrong with this:

        First, there are huge industries which keep and use all sorts of personal information. Banks use credit history, insurers use health history, and, in something which everyone in the US and most of Europe is familiar with, marketers use purchase history (and anything else they can get their paws on). It's really not accurate to say most people don't care when there are huge numbers of people employed in industries that do care.

        Second, and more insidious, is the effect it has on society. When you have to curtail your own actions, for fear of what might happen - despite the fact your actions would be legal - then we've entered into the "Enemy of the State" scenario. How many people write scathing articles about scientology? Or, with reference to this article, have sex in their enclosed back yard? Both are legal, and both could lead to years of harassment.

        On to the technical side of this ... I find it damn funny they're talking about removing the vibrations from helicopters to stabilize the picture. Think balloon. Think fixed-wing drone. Heck, I saw a prototype of the latter, with an electric drive, solar cells, and a simple vibration dampened camera (no gyros, no electronic compensation), and around a 30 ft wingspan that gave pictures better than those in the article ... back in 1989.

        Then, of course, there's the fact that large parts of urban areas are already covered by cameras. How long will it be before the police request 'access', such that they can track a suspect? I've seen demos where they've tracked people from their apartment to their workdesk. And into the stores and restaurants they hit at lunchtime. These demos were put together after the fact, in part to argue for real-time access for the LE world. Yeah, the eye in the sky is nifty, but hardly earth-breaking with respect to the total lack of privacy we currently exist under.

        There's a growing concern about 'Privatization of public space'. This applies to cell phone users, public demonstations, street vendors, and really ought to apply to the LE agencies.

    • I can't make a guess about tracking of me that I haven't seen evidence of, but in terms of privacy-invading actions that I have been aware of, the most seem to stem from buying a house. Perhaps just because this is a matter of public record, but all the sudden you get a ton of junk mail, financial offers, etc. some of which contain fairly private (so I thought) information. I feel like I've lost more privacy as a result of putting down roots in the community than I ever did as your average netizen.

      The worst is all the life insurance promotions that are coincidentally for exactly the amount of my mortgage (I think my mortgage company sold me out on that one). From the mail I get, you'd think that home buying is one of the leading causes of death in the U.S. :)

    • With the exception of the theoretical threats of access to medical records and those ominous government "systems to find out anything about you at anytime" (what does that mean?) I don't see that the things you list carries a reasonable expectation of privacy. Actions carried out in the public sphere have public consequences and are publically visible. Moreover, a large percentage of this scrutiny can be prevented, if it means that much: the credit information providers can be contacted and instructed not to release your credit information except if you initiate the transaction, and you can go through the tedious opt-out procedures with financial insitutions. Cash still works for private transactions and nobody has a gun to my head making me use an "E-Z Save" card at the grocery store.


      The posting says:


      [this] article raises interesting concerns about what implications the systems have on privacy.


      Call me crazy, but if there is not a ceiling or a wall between me and a line of site to the outside world, I do not expect that what I'm doing is private, nor do I feel a reasonable expectation for it to be so. Outside is outside, public is public. For the majority of Americans the limiting factor on their privacy is not Society or its institutions, nor Government and its agents: it is how attentive they choose to be to their own privacy. If you sign on the dotted line without reading the small print you've got little cause to complain when your new credit card company sells your information to a telemarketer.

    • See, the thing is, according to their oath that they all take, the US military should have revolted against the government decades ago. They are sworn to uphold the constitution, not the current regime or "US Foreign Policy". The constitution has been increasingly subjected to bastardizing and degradation at the hands of politicians, getting worse with every succession of each Congressman and Senator's term. However, since the military brass can't technically get another star to improve from Brigadier General to Major General and such without Congressional approval, it'll never happen...
      • That's utter nonsense. The Constitution is what is running our country. If the government is not as free or as liberal as you'd like it to be, then that's a sign that the CONSTITUTION is faulty and needs to be fixed, not a sign that a military coup and military government is required.

        Do not mistake the Constitution for a holy document. It's just the product of an immense hack session, and thus qualifies as a pretty successful hack. The founding hackers recognized that the document would require maintenance in the future, and provided a way to dynamically link new code into the running constitutional kernel.

        So, stop all this talk of military coups and start pushing for some new ammendments. As Linus said, "show me the code".

        • I'm not talking "new amendments". I'm talking de-cruftifying the old code. Version 2.0. Not so much a full rewrite as a reinstall of the OS. For example, if you have a Win98 box, and you run it for 4 years without reinstalling windows but install and uninstall various software over the years, it turns to shit. however, if you reinstall win98 (or perhaps something better, like Linux) you don't have as many remnants of the crappy, deteriorated removed software you did beforehand, and only have to reinstall what you actually need. What I honestly want isn't military revolution if it can be avoided. What I want is for lawmakers to look at every bit of legislation and every court precedent and remove redundancies, powers that are abused, irrelevancies, laws with no rhyme or reason in today's society, and anything that goes against anything in the spirit of the constitution, not just anything that doesn't quite break the letter of it. The founding fathers of this country would be appalled at the state of freedom in this country, especially related to the concept of Intellectual Property and, if they were taught about modern communications systems, in free flow of information. Their intent in providing copyright to creators has been mangled, twisted, and stretched so horribly that I honestly don't see why it's been tolerated for so long.
    • Yeah,right.

      Just in case, you might want to get one of these:

      http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html
    • 4) In its fight against terrorism, the federal government is putting in place systems to find out anything about you at anytime (scan the headlines if you don't believe it).

      Care to back up this claim?

    • 1) Employers, insurers and financial institutions have access to your credit records
      Do they have access to your credit records or your credit report? The former implies that they know exactly what you're buying and what you're paying for items, which I don't believe my employer has access to.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Glad to hear the US/NATO are investing is some new kit to improve the quality of airborne surveillance pictures broadcasts to the whole of Europe [slashdot.org].
  • by Anonymous Coward
    I was told [from a reputable source] of the ability to hold a conversation to ground using a helicopter-mounted laser.

    Obviously this secure as any attempt to tap into the conversation would break the beam - revealing the attack attempt.

    All that seems straightforward, but the ability to stabilise and aim a laser from a helicopter [of all places] was a bit mind-boggling.....
    • You could intercept the beam using a beamsplitter which just taps a small amount of the signal.

      Of course, you can't tap single photons as simply. You first would have to amplify the incoming photon stream (probably within another laser, like a telecomms EDFA) then split the resultant beam
    • Tell me, isn't line-of-sight laser communication simply another version of a fiber-optic technology? I thought there was a recent /. article about having fiber-optic lines tapped. Wouldn't, or rather couldn't line-of-sight laser communications simply be 'tapped' in a similar way, opposed to actually breaking the signal?
    • I'm impressed with the using a laser to hold a conversation, but the ability to stabilise and aim a laser from a helicopter is pretty commonplace. How do you think that the sighting and targeting systems on attack helicopters work? The AH-64 Apache has 127 X optics, with that you can target a tank or other object from quite a few miles off and still be relativly safe from counter-attack.
    • Unless you can see backscatter from the receiver, of course...
    • by Anonymous Coward
      In my college physics class we made some laser "radios". They were basically full-duplex walkie-talkies, except instead of broadasting in the radio spectrum they were in the visible spectrum.

      The sound quality wasn't very good, but that is because we use a very simple circuit design. Obviously if we had spent a little more money/time it could have sounded much better.

      Search around google and you will find lots of pages describing amateur radio people doing this exact thing (but better than us)
  • Old hat (Score:4, Insightful)

    by drunkmonk ( 241978 ) on Thursday June 20, 2002 @08:14AM (#3735210) Homepage
    This kind of stuff has been around for years in the military. Sure, it's a nice compact little civilian package now, but it's not exactly revolutionary.

    If you're a privacy zealot, I don't see this as nearly as concerning as tracking through credit card transactions, etc. And honestly, I don't have any problem with my picture being taken when I'm walking around outside. I'm not doing anything illegal, I'm not going anywhere shameful, and if someone wants to spend thousands of dollars on technology to enable them to watch my fat ass stroll from place to place then more power to them. And hey, they might even catch a criminal or two.
    • I agree. But, I don't want them watching my fat ass while I am with my girlfriend. Thats legal, but not neccisairly something i want recorded. Also, what about 3rd party access? What if the government starts sharing info with advertisers?
      • " Also, what about 3rd party access? What if the government starts sharing info with advertisers?"

        Not something likely to happen as the sort of systems that can do this tend to be used for fairly sensetive uses (read spying) and cost massive amounts of money.

        The government often denies they exist so why would they sell the data ? and what data - its images ? they could be of anyone.

        I somehow think that no one would use a $650'000 camera to spy on you and your girlfriend - they're to busy hanging out over britney spears house taking videos for that :)
      • First off, if you are outside with your girlfriend, then everybody can see what you are doin anyways, and if you walk by a bank, mall, or anyother big building, chances are you are going to get recorded anyways. I think that the chances of the government singling you out and following you with a spyplane for the next several months is highly unlikely.

        And as for advertisers wanting the tapes, I don't really see that happeneing either, do they ask banks for their tapes? The only people that these tapes would be shared with would be whoever chooses the videos for those "worlds scariest/funniest/stupidest" TV shows. I can't really picture any advertising mogul saying "Hi General, about those tapes with the guy with the fat ass, what kind of shoes was he wearing?"

    • This kind of stuff has been around for years in the military.

      No, stabilized cams have been around for years, but this system is more advanced and clear pictured than earlier.
    • heh. I just "invented" a stabilised pair of binoculars the other day. The idea is that you mount cheap-ass (the kind you use in ABS systems, natch ~ $10 a pop) micro-gyros to sense pitch and yaw of the binoculars (roll is benign, and REALLY hard to compensate for) and correct by micro-actuators attached to the optics.

      Maybe I'm really shaky, but I have a really hard time using binoculars, as I just can't keep them very steady. (yes, I am a crap shot with a rifle, too)
  • Neeto (Score:3, Informative)

    by ins0m ( 584887 ) <ins0mni0n&hackermail,com> on Thursday June 20, 2002 @08:18AM (#3735223)
    This seems fine and dandy and will help the authorities do what they are supposed to do in chase situations. However, I'm a bit surprised that even though it's claimed that recent Hollywood efforts are getting their hands on this, that it's similar to "the original Wescam developed in the early 1960's by a Canadian subsidiary of Westinghouse as a battlefield surveillance tool for the Canadian military".

    That said, I wonder why it never made its way down to police sooner? Cost of maintenance, perhaps?

    I do understand where the ACLU is coming from as regards the invasions of privacy. I believed we recently rehashed this over the debate on metal-detector technology in airports that would let clothing be seen through, or other such nonsense. Yet, I'm surprised no one has made that big a deal over Terra Server [terraserver.com]. Going on the resolutions they can get down to, you'd be hard pressed to hide much more than a naked sunbather in your backyard, and it's only a matter of time before satellite imaging will make even that impossible. Why the fuss over one and not the other?
    • You must have stopped after the first paragraph. The article goes on to point out the the original Wescams were useful to film makers who only used them for weeks at a time, but the maintanence requirement s made them useless for law enforcement and military. The newest generation totaly elimites the mechanical gyros and is mostly solid state making it much more useful. The author also points out the different needs of Hollywood and law enforcement. Next time, please read the whole article. Thank you.
    • by M-G ( 44998 )
      and it's only a matter of time before satellite imaging will make even that impossible

      Satellite tech is already that far. They don't show any higher res on TerraServer because the companies that have the high-res birds make their money by selling those images. And those companies are limited to the resolution they can acquire by the feds. So the technical ability to get much better satellite images is out there, just not publicly available.
  • "what implications the systems have on privacy."

    What a troll.

    If you are worried about he FBI, NSA or CIA using an aircraft to spy on you then you are definitely doing something very very bad or very very suspicious.

    I have trouble with people reading my email or scanning my HD, but they can use cameras on anything they want for all I care.

    I'm not that ugly.
    • by Anonymous Coward
      Speak for yourself. I'm so damn ugly I have to post this message anonymously.
    • The "camera" is an Electro-magnetic sensor so it can see what you are typing, and can read the email that you are reading on your screen.

      Not wanting badly regulated security agencies spying on you is not a case of doing some thing wrong, its a case that these agencies have a history of "bending" or breaking the laws themselves to justify their budget or opinions.

      Sad to say that goverment is not of the people, by the people, for the people anymore. "interests" are at work and normal people are refered to as "collatoral damage".

    • If you are worried about he FBI, NSA or CIA using an aircraft to spy on you then you are definitely doing something very very bad or very very suspicious.

      So it's ok for the police to come stand on your front lawn, peek in through your windows, as long as you have nothing to hide? Or are you saying that if the police are peeking through your windows, you obviously are already guilty of something?

      So where do you draw the line about how much privacy is "enough"? Why is that reading your e-mail is bad, but watching what you do in you backyard is ok? Is reading the screen of your laptop through the window of your house ok? Where does it stop?

      • Obviously police can and will stand on your front lawn and peek in your windows if they already suspect you are doing something wrong...

        That's what they do, they investigate. They don't do that to people who are law-abiding citizens. If they were doing that to everybody then we would have a problem, but they aren't.

        They aren't going to go get a high-tech camera just to keep tabs on people either. But they will use them to check on people they think are doing something bad.

        Anarchy sux, "pure" democracy sux, that's why we have a Republic.
        • They don't do that to people who are law-abiding citizens. If they were doing that to everybody then we would have a problem, but they aren't.

          Well, I'm glad you live in a utopian society... unfortunately, the rest of us live in the real world.

          If I understand your point, you're saying that invasion of privacy is OK as long as the person being invaded is already guilty - so the presumption of innocence is already tossed out the window. The potential for abuse is what's being argued, not the potential for good.

          Saying that we can invade the privacy of anyone, as long as it's not ME, well... that's just short-sighted.

      • If the police/FBI/NSA/CIA is using a lot of resources ($$$) to spy on you they must have a good reason to do so.

        I'm more worried about automated survaliance where they log everything you do, if it's suspicius or not.

        For example: think about running for some political office in the future being confrontet with a casual phone conversation with a "unpopular" person 10 years before, or with wisiting "unmoral" but legal websites.

        Politicians in office have abused inteligicene information agains the opposition before and will do it again.

    • If you are worried about he FBI, NSA or CIA using an aircraft to spy on you then you are definitely doing something very very bad or very very suspicious. Fair enough, but who decides what's bad? In any case, it's dangerous to allow precedents to be set in regard to what equipment/methods can be used, because you don't know how they will be used in the future. Freedom is removed by degrees, and it's little "advancements" like this that send a cold shiver up my spine.
  • App: tabloid media journalists need one to get those photos of media stars sunbathing out their tan lines.
  • Right on. (Score:2, Interesting)

    by BoBaBrain ( 215786 )
    The systems are interesting in themselves and the article raises interesting concerns about what implications the systems have on privacy.

    Long range cameras can indeed be an invasion of "My Privacy"(tm). As can telescopes, binoculars, strong reading glasses and eyesight in general.

    I believe the government have used all the above to spy on people at some point.
  • That's it.

    Time to hack the old kitchen Microwave oven, and make a do it yourself home made radar.

    Best to rig it for a pickup truck, so you have the space to do a phased array on the roof of a shell.

    Miniturization is going to be a pain, though.

    Side benefit -- smoking police speed trap radars.

  • by q-soe ( 466472 ) on Thursday June 20, 2002 @08:24AM (#3735245) Homepage
    Amongst all the comments that will flow about big brother etc it is interesting to note that there have been satellite systems in existance that can see small details from space since the late 1980's.

    What we are talking about here is a gyroscopic stabilised mount which enables cameras on Police helicopters to get a clearer picture at long range. Some of the uses pointed out here are surveilance of suspects, search parties etc. The camera systems have existed on law enforcement helicopters for about 10 years that i can recall and have been getting more advanced every year - its hardly a violation of your rights in a new form unless of course you are worrying about the cops reading the paper over your shoulder.

    At $650,000 US its a bit more than a toy and i dont see it being something used by a peeping tom - it raises a few issues on privacy but the fact is Police around the world have had the ability for years its just been an issue with vibration which is amplified the more you zoom making things like license plates harder to read etc.

    Interesting but not a massive breakthrough and not something id lose sleep worrying about - the only people who would need worry would be people who were hiding from the police in the first place and it might even save some lives when used on searches.

    PS some cooler uses of gyrostablised systems like this (if you like that sort of thing) can be found in new generation FLIR and Laser targeting systems on military aircraft (think the article mentions it)

  • Privacy? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by t_allardyce ( 48447 )
    Your so concerned about privacy, but out-side your own homes, your privacy is 0. Even if the government (uk) doesn't put security cameras everywhere for all you know its because their hidden. Take a look next time you walk down the street. Any one of those people could be spying on you, with hidden cameras, microphones, wireless scanners, or even just cutting eye-holes in a newspaper :). Any of those buildings on the sides of the road could be full of people spying on you. How many times have you looked out of the window and watched someone walk down the road? It could be the government, a private detective, the mafia or even terrorists. What about camera crews? how do you know they're filming a documentary, they could be the government spying on you... I know there are laws to protect you from this sort of thing, but who follows laws?

    Even in your home, the privacy you have is only there because of the walls surrounding you. Your phone could be tapped, there could be lasers pointing at your windows to pick-up sound. There could be infrared cameras looking for heat sources.

    Lets not even talk about the isp admins who could be reading your mail...

    You don't have any privacy.
    • calm down..breath...geeze a bit paranoid are we? Does it really matter how much privacy you have when your outside your home anyway? I dont see the big fuss about worryin about your "privacy", People watch others because they are nosey (dont deny you do it too), police use cameras and other devices to catch criminals or suspects (which screening of anysort that is used is regulated by law), businesses use cameras and track everything on their computers for security of the business (again regulated)...theres no argument for privacy in any of that, in some aspects being less worried about someone watching your every move and just doing what needs to be done in every day life you will have no need for privacy at all. (note i said in "some" aspects)
  • Looks a lot like the "Zoom Cam" that my local news stations have had on the choppers for years.
  • If you want to contine to overthrow the government, run your meth lab or whatever you don't want the gubmint to see, just move it indoors. Protesting the gubmint taking photos of what you do outside is like giving the guest account on your computer root privaliges and protesting when people go through your hard drive.
  • When officers pursued O. J. Simpson along the freeways of Los Angeles eight years ago, a covey of police and television news helicopters tracked him with stabilized cameras hanging at the sides in their distinctive ball-shaped pods.

    Not exactly new. Sure, it's better, more refined. Hell, I saw a Discovery Channel special that featured these cameras several years ago. They're used on the "cop" shows all the time.

  • The main problem I see with this technology is that you can no long expect privacy in many situations - this means that privacy laws may no longer protect you from invasion to privacy in some of these situations.
  • Now we all know what this will really be used for...

    Chief Wiggum: "Continue swimming naked...c'mon...continue!....OK Lou open fire"
  • by ch-chuck ( 9622 ) on Thursday June 20, 2002 @08:35AM (#3735289) Homepage
    1st Office: Nothing happening on the hillside, sir.

    Sgt Sheer: OK, well lets head back over to that nudist colony with the hot chicks.

    ---------------

    So when are they going to develope a countertechnology: the cloak of invisibility! We have airplanes with low radar profiles, (stealth) so what will it take for low visible / infrared / UV profiles? A kind of flexible mirror suit that reflects the surrounding environment?

    • So when are they going to develope a countertechnology: the cloak of invisibility! We have airplanes with low radar profiles, (stealth) so what will it take for low visible / infrared / UV profiles? A kind of flexible mirror suit that reflects the surrounding environment?

      Gary Glitter had one of those in the 80's and look where it got him. Ostracised for being a kiddie fiddler, that's where..

      --
      Andy
    • Re:More comments (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Zathrus ( 232140 )
      We have airplanes with low radar profiles, (stealth) so what will it take for low visible / infrared / UV profiles?

      For the record, stealth planes like the B1, the F-117A, and the F-22 have low radar, IR, and sound profiles. It's not of much use to be near invisible on radar if you show up like a torch on IR, or if the guy in the AAA can track where you're going to be by sound. All of the stealth planes disperse their output through large areas, generally directed upwards (I'd guess that the F-22 does the worst job of this, but that's just a WAG). The sound is similarly baffled, with efforts made toward minimizing disruptive air flow and contrails.

      If you want a low IR profile, just cover yourself in a heat reflective blanket. They've been on the market for years. If it's warm out then you'll need to figure out some way of dumping heat elsewhere though, or else you'll suffocate in your own reflected heat.

      If you want a true camo suit with chameleon like abilities, well, the US Army is researching those. There have been several stories on here about them and powered armor.
      • All of the stealth planes disperse their output through large areas, generally directed upwards (I'd guess that the F-22 does the worst job of this, but that's just a WAG). The sound is similarly baffled, with efforts made toward minimizing disruptive air flow and contrails.
        Actually, the F-22 has large, wide, thrust vectoring nozzles that should do a pretty good job of dispersing the exhaust heat. Besides, it's 3rd generation Low Observability (LO, technical term for stealth) technology, and they didn't make any effort to protect the 1st gen LO technology when the F-117A crashed in Serbia. I was surprised they didn't send in a few Tomawhawks to turn the wreckage into little, unrecognizable pieces. Aviation & Space Technology had an article about how it ended up being studied in Russia. Since the DOD wasn't too worried about it, the newer LO technology must be a lot better.

        The B-1B does have baffles in the air intakes, so radar doesn't get a return from the compressor blades, but otherwise it just uses 4 standard (for fighters at least) low-bypass, afterburning turbofan engines. If you've ever been near one taking off, it's probably the loudest aircraft you'll ever hear. Also, they didn't make much effort to disperse the exhaust heat: its engines are mounted underneath the aircraft and its exhaust nozzles are similar to most fighters, albeit much larger.
    • So when are they going to develope a countertechnology


      You mean like an umbrella, or large hat?
    • Are you kidding me? Have you ever SEEN the chicks in a nudist colony? Yuck...
  • The big statement made by the Supreme Court regarding airborne surveillance of private property was made in the case of Florida v. Riley (1989) [syr.edu]

    Here are the results of a Google search for florida riley privacy supreme court [google.com]. Google is your friend.

  • x10.com (Score:3, Funny)

    by Brightest Light ( 552357 ) on Thursday June 20, 2002 @08:40AM (#3735306) Journal

    i swear to god, if i see any new pop-ups for the "BESTSELLING Wireless Color Stabilized Video Camera!"; somebody is going to die...
  • The systems are interesting in themselves and the article raises interesting concerns about what implications the systems have on privacy.

    Well duh. This wasnt invented so you could take a close up picture of a flower while flying in an airplane. It was invented so we could spy on people. Now the question of who we are going to spy on........
  • More information (Score:3, Informative)

    by q-soe ( 466472 ) on Thursday June 20, 2002 @08:55AM (#3735378) Homepage
    For those wanting to find out more about this stuff some links.

    Wescam page on their camere systems [wescam.com]

    The MX 20 is i believe the system they are talking about [wescam.com]- has been widely fitted on naval and coast guard aircraft for a number of years

    The company makes systems for space, marine and air and sells to the military and private enterprise. They make some very interesting systems and anyone interested in this sort of stuff or wanting to know just how non new this technology is head over and have a read. There are also sample images to show resolution etc of the systems.
  • 2000 cameras a day (Score:3, Informative)

    by peter303 ( 12292 ) on Thursday June 20, 2002 @09:01AM (#3735403)
    Last week ABC news followed a worker in downtown Atlanta through her work day and counted the cameras- nearly 2000. A large fraction were along the roads observing traffic and in stores.
    • One of the nice things that came out of the 1996 Olympics was a traffic management center (which is staffed 9a-4p M-F, but that's another boondoggle). As part of it they put up a network of cameras and radars to monitor traffic on the major highways and some of the major intersections. You can see the results here [georgia-navigator.com].

      It's really nifty - you can click on any camera to see the current conditions, click on digital signs to see what they're displaying, see the current speeds being reported by the radar guns (and click on them too), and so forth.

      This is particularly useful for a city with some of the worst traffic in the US.
  • why does every new idea/innovation/invention have to be seen as a threat to 'privacy'!?.
    This line is getting played out on /.
  • Privacy? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by OpIv37 ( 585971 )
    I'm not exactly sure how this relates to improved police surveillance cameras, but Americans (and probably many other countries as well, especially England) have lost their privacy years ago. Think about it:

    -Almost every school/store/bank/gas station/place of employment has security cameras- there is video footage of you almost anywhere you go
    -Every time you do any banking at a branch office or pay for anything electronically (ATM, Credit Card), there is an electronic record of where you were at that time
    -Every time you log into the Internet or use any site to purchase/pay a bill etc, there is an electronic record that you (or at least someone with access to your account) was online at that time
    -If you attend college, there is an electronic record every time you use your ID to enter your dorm, go to the dining hall, check books out of the library, use the gym, etc.

    I know I'm getting dangerously close to paranoia- I'm 99.99% sure that no one is tracking me or has ever attempted to track me. My point is simply that if someone wants to track me (or anyone else for that matter), it would be fairly simple to pinpoint my exact locations throughout the day.

    Our society is becoming ever closer to matching the Big Brother/Enemy of the State model. The question: How do democratic nations such as the US defend civil rights while still protecting their citizens from criminals and terrorists?

    I find myself being somewhat ambiguous on this issue. I hate the thought of the police or the government being able to observe common citizens- it is clearly dangerous and, in many cases, unconstitutional. However, what's the point of freedom if you can't leave your house without getting mugged or blown up? I'm going to have to do some more thinking about this, but my gut reaction is that I'll take my chances with the terrorists and the murderers rather than being under constant surveillance when I've done nothing wrong.

    As far as the specific issue of high-tech police cameras- there are only two of these cameras and they are only in one city. Cameras are nothing new- simply increasing the technology is no more of a violation of privacy (or a police necessity, depending on your opinion) than the previous versions.
  • This technology has been in consumer products that have been on the market for about 8 years.I can hardly wait for the article about refrigeration. Did you know you can actually chill your perishable foods without buying any ice? Amazing!
  • TV cameras were too heavy back in the 1960's, so they just had gyrostabilized binoculars, but the effect was about the same. The binoculars were made by a now-defunct company called ORDCO. LAPD owned several of them which they used in helicopters. There is an episode of Adam-12 (a police show from the late '60s and early '70s) where one of the officers is seen riding in a helicopter and using an ORDCO stabilized binocular to locate a suspect.
  • by arvn ( 586909 )
    Neat stuff, if someone couples this tech with stuff from Intevac, look out. They have a system that they claim beats FLIR by a factor of 7, they call it LIVAR. More here"http://www.intevac.com/products.asp?ItemID=20 ", and here "http://www.intevac.com/products.asp?ItemID=51" L8r,
  • If this device could really stop piracy, I'm sure the RIAA would have their hands on one by now.

    Oh, sorry, I'm dyslexic today. Never mind.
  • Wescam makes a camera called the TrollCam. Perfect tagline: "Official camera of Goatse.cx"

    Trollcam website [wescam.com]
  • ...you want this [nasa.gov]. 0.5 arcsecond pointing and tracking accuracy for a 2.5-meter telescope on a 747 with a sunroof.
  • Anyone who is watched with this camera is just asking for it. Privacy concious users of the atmosphere are aware that their photons are not encrypted in transmission. Heck, even little Kodak kiddies can capture and analize them using widely available tools like the One-Shot(tm) obtained from their local grocery store.

    That's why it is imperative that security concious users embrace encryption. With a sufficent application of trees, smoke, camoflauge, and other photon encrypting material it is virtually impossible to seperate the subject from the background noise.

    Oops... my mistake, it's already patented.

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