David Touretzky Interview 127
tklancer writes: "Salon has an interview with David Touretzky (the CMU professor who was kind enough to point out to Judge Kaplan that code is speech during the DeCSS trial). He talks about the court decision and several ongoing free speech battles."
Yes! (Score:1)
Wonderful (Score:1)
Artistic Freedom (Score:1)
BTW: Does anyone know the email address for the MPAA? I couldn't find one on their site
Code as speech. (Score:2)
But personally I doubt that code is a true form of expression. When an engineer builds a device it serves a purpose, there may be an artistic component to the work, but it's first and foremost a solution to a problem. The protection afforded by free speech was originally intended to allow the expression of opinions, not to protect the creation of illegal devices on artistic grounds.
Do I think DeCSS should be illegal? Hell no. Do I think that trying to convince the world that code should be protected as free speech is the way to go in this case, probably not.
Gotta respect him... (Score:4)
Convenience? (Score:1)
Is that some obscure plan to make people think instead of being lazy or something?
Really want Code = Speech? (Score:1)
For example, that would seem to imply that it is subject to exactly the same copyright restrictions as a book - hence illegal to copy and share with a friend.
We may all agree that "Information Wants to be Free", but what it really means to say that something is "Free" is highly non-trivial, and the subject of millenia-long debates.
One needs to be cautious when equating different forms of Information and/or Freedom. Or maybe one doesn't, but at least consider the quesion...
Touretzky Syndrome (Score:5)
Whether you're for or against drugs, you have to recognize that the government is starting to over-step it's bounds where freedom of speech is concerned. It's become sort of a "well, we're all for freedom of speech, just not this type of speech" type of thing
There are serious issues here. We cannot allow agencies, or people, or organizations, or judges to out-law some form of speech simply because it is distasteful or even slightly dangerous (in the non-physical form: excluding libel and slander, which are crimes that are alot harder to commit than one would think). This is exactly the type of thing we must prevent in order to secure our more "traditional" freedoms.
I won't go so far to say that code is definitely a form of speech. Personally, i feel that falls under reverse-engineering arguments. But if it's concievable that the government can take away our right to express ourselves in any way, simply because it's unpopular - then they're one step closer to taking away everything else.
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
Incentives for 2600 and EFF to be irresponsible (Score:2)
Unfortunately we have a situation where groups like 2600 and the EFF actually benefit from the situation worsening. 2600 benefits because that advances their idealogical agenda, the EFF benefits because they can increase fundraising. There is simply no incentive for either to choose the right fight at the right time. It is unfortunate that Judge Kaplan did not order 2600 to pay the plaintiffs' court costs, that would have made the defendents a little less nonchalent about taking the case eventually to the Supreme Court where a loss would be the ultimate disaster.
Note that even a win at the Supreme Court won't last for long. If one reads the decision to stay the injunction against Napster, the justices from the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals clearly said that Congress had the right to clarify the laws governing the interpretation around precedents such as the Sony Betamax ruling. 2600 will win the publicity battle only for an insignificent fringe sector of the electorate. The movement will be classified by the rest of the populace as extremists.
Note that in the current US Presidential, Congressional, Senate, or gubanatorial campaigns there has absolutely been zero public interest in the issues surrounding 2600 or Napster despite incessant articles on Internet and sometimes mainstream news outlets. The current EFF approach is hardly the one to create a civil rights movement as Martin Luther King Jr. did--it's the equivalent of the Nation of Islam and Louis Farrakan.
The most chilling thing he said.. (Score:4)
"And if Kaplan's decision stands, the First Amendment is dead."
It all makes sense now, this whole thing was not about DvD's at all. The Government wanted a loophole so it could start censoring the web, and now they have it. They couldn't pass laws to do it, these were struck down as unconstitutional, but now they have case law to do the work for them. From now on all anyone needs is a "Compelling Reason" to have a specific piece of information censored, they can pull this rabbit out of the hat and PRESTO the web is in the United States is as exciting as a rerun of "Leave it to Beaver".
Jesus died for sombodies sins, but not mine.
Over-reaction (Score:2)
Remember one thing: The government is YOUR government. You PAY their salaries, you vote them in/out, and your local MP is meant to listen to his/her constituents and relay this information to parliament (change MP/parliament to suit form of government;-).
Now, the government can pass as many laws as they please, it doesnt mean a damn thing. How many people do you know who cross an empty street against a red 'Dont Walk' sign? How many people do you know who will casually flick a cigarette butt onto the footpath/sidewalk?
Keep this junk in focus people, if you really think this is a violation of your first amendment rights, IGNORE IT. That's right, pretend it doesnt exist! What are the government going to do, arrest several million people for using deCSS? Governments have a history of ignoring the general public and protecting their own interests (or the interests of those they play golf with) but sooner or later sanity WILL prevail. The law is filled with junk that, to the letter of the law, is illegal, but is NEVER enforced. Things like beating carpets before 6am, tint on car windows, homosexual acts etc etc etc
How about this: stop bloody whinging about it and do something! Go see your local MP, form a protest rally, create an open-source DVD player based on deCSS (hell, Ill post the damn thing!). Sooner or later the heat that the pollies receive outweighs the pleasure of a golf game, and sanity returns.
But for christ's sake people, you *arent* helpless! It is your country, your state, your government!
Getting bogged down in the detail of this case only masks the greater issue: your government is ignoring you and its time they started listening.
Simon
Re:Convenience? (Score:3)
Which makes me think - what if you use a flash or java applet to display a list and allow a visitor to click on the location you want to go to. Or a dropdown list of mirrors, and a button to "Go Get DeCSS"?
What about a shockwave video game where you shoot little Jack Valenti's who are trying to torch the Constitution, and when you rack up ten hits, you get forwarded to a copy of DeCSS as a winning screen?
What is a link? A anchor reference? Does a javascript outputting the first and second half of the link html count (since it is assembled on the client, and not sent by or stored on the server?)
Hey, Kaplan... ya wanna write an RFC on exactly what a "link" is?
--
Evan
I can't help but to be afraid (Score:3)
If s/w == speech, then s/w not patentable! (Score:1)
= Joe =
Re:Touretzky Syndrome (Score:3)
These slowly eroded (are eroding) free speech and now the government is just taking the next logical step and trying to control other speech which it finds "offensive" such as about drugs or guns or bombs or decoding algorithms or any other thing which they feel like.
This is the slippery slope often mentioned by people interested in protecting free speech and other Bill of Rights freedoms and as you said,
There are serious issues here. We cannot allow agencies, or people, or organizations, or judges to out-law some form of speech simply because it is distasteful or even slightly dangerous (in the non-physical form: excluding libel and slander, which are crimes that are alot harder to commit than one would think). This is exactly the type of thing we must prevent in order to secure our more "traditional" freedoms.
Unfortunately the small steps which are being taken are slowly eroding these freedoms and when the centerists see what has happened it might be too late to correct easily.
the shell script is neat (Score:1)
great idea...
dig @138.195.138.195 goret.org. axfr | grep '^c..\..*A' | sort | cut -b5-36 | perl -e 'while(){print pack("H32",$_)}' | gzip -d
Re:who the fuck cares? (Score:1)
How come every time i tell it like it is, as honestly as I can, someone labels my post as a fscking troll or flamebait?
WHY is my previous post flamebait? I will accept all criticism, someone just tell me!!! PLEASE!!
It was not intended as as a troll or flamebait. just righteous indignation. why should no one else see it? is the MPAA moderating here or what?
Start a petition... (Score:1)
Make it good. Make it include full name and social security number, or address, or phone number, or something of that sort.
Get people to throw some money at it for advertising. Make the ads persuasize. Make them point out how much freedom the DMCA is taking from us in plain english. Make it point out the evils of the MPAA and how it will impact the Average Joe Citizen(tm). Whatever. Advertise it everywhere. Put it on your webpage. The crazy punks amongst us can spray paint things with info about it. You get the idea.
Maybe if we got enough signatures and sent them to the right people then things would happen. This is after all supposed to be a democracy. Maybe it will work. Or, maybe I'm just an idiot. Probably a mixture of the two.
Re:Ok, we get the idea already (Score:1)
They now have a few of them out, not just the original one.
The monster that comeths forth (Score:3)
> Valenti has founded a new department
> within the Motion Picture Association
> called Digital Strategies "to involve
> ourselves in digital rights management
> procedures so we can clothe our
> movies in a protective shield that
> would disallow them to be copied by
> anybody.
This is the kicker:
> Sniffers will instantly pluck out
> anything out there that's unauthorized."
Circumventing encryption technology is now against federal copyright law. Trafficking in DeCSS would fall under federal commerce laws since it is a form of insterstate trade. But hey, don't let me tell you that - listen to the goat's mouth (from this [salon.com] link at the end of the Salon Article);
We formed what is called a copyright assembly just two weeks ago, in which every single enterprise in this country to which copyright protection is vital -- professional baseball, basketball, hockey, golf, NASCAR, NCAA, broadcasters, television stations, cable systems, music songwriters, movies, television programs -- they've all banded together to and make it clear to the Congress that if a hosting or thievery or absconding or illegal use, or unauthorized use of the property of all these enterprises -- which, by the way, dominate the world -- is allowed to go untended by some kind of a protective shield , the nation's economy is the loser. (italics mine).
So I think that it would be reasonable to say that what he means by "protective shield" is not Star Wars or safe sex.
No, this singular honor belongs to Carnivore.
Kaplan vs. Bernstein (Score:2)
Legality of linking - server vs. client issues (Score:1)
Let's then say that somebody adds a bit of code - to Mozilla for example - that automatically detects links in any text flow, whether HTML-anchored or not, and presents them to the user as links.
What then?
Most people don't understand it!!! (Score:4)
Sums it up quite well.
Most people don't realize that DeCSS is not about piracy. Or CPHack is not about porn. That my case is not aboout whinning or tying injuries. [sorehands.com]
It's about large corporations mis-using the laws and the courts to silence complaints, to hide the chinks in their armor, and hide the fact that the emperor wear no clothes.
this is getting scary (Score:2)
For example, here's a headline from acbnews.com, today:
Request for More Inspection Powers [go.com]
Here's a witch hunt by the government to ban violent games [shugashack.com]
here's Gove rnment Sites Get An F On Privacy [zdnet.com]
And then I find out from Wired.com that back in 1997, Clinton signed a law [ucla.edu] that makes it a federal felony to share software with friends or family. A FEDERAL FELONY to give my sister a copy of some software. Jeeze.
These are just from today!!!!
The last thing I want to hear from my kids (when I have them) is "Daddy, where where you when they took our freedom away?"
Re:Code as speech. (Score:1)
I also think you tread on a slippery slope by distinguishing freedom of expression from freedom of speech. The First Amendment says nothing about expression, and (with my limited knowledge of first amendment law) the courts don't much like to either. Expression is a vague term, and is subject to individual interpretation; if you allow the courts to determine what constitutes it, it may allow you to treat individual cases more subjectively than objectively.
Public nudity may be "Expression" to some people, but it is neither Speech nor Press, and is not protected under the First Amendment. Perhaps some people will claim it to be part of their Religion, in which case,... ah, now I'm confused. Stupid analogies. :-P
And is Copyright on code a bad thing? (Score:2)
And where does that differ from the way most software is licenced nowadays? And another question, does it actually in any way prevent illegal copying?
Personally I think code would feel much better under copyright than under intellectual property. Under copyright, though it might not be Free, at least it would be open, and you'd be able to quote parts of it. That would be a Very Good Thing for developers.
But I don't think it will ever happen. The Corporate World will object severely against any such regulations and threaten to cut the immense flow of money to the various political parties if they don't drop this thing that would be an "extreme threat to their livelyhoods".
Code falling under copyright instead of intellectual property would be a very good thing for developers and consumers - the people who vote. But it would be a bad thing in the eyes of the corporate world - which doesn't vote, or since when do corporations as an entity vote? - yet the American government seems to pay more attention to money than to votes. Not exactly what I'd call a democracy.
A fully open source world wouldn't function. Code under copyright would be a very good way to give developers what they need while satisfying the corporate world aswell - if they would just think. And as for the Free Software movement: under copyright you can also create open licences.
)O(
Never underestimate the power of stupidity
Re:Convenience? (Score:3)
Ask British Telecom. They've got a patent on it.
)O(
Never underestimate the power of stupidity
Re:Code as speech. (Score:2)
"not to protect the creation of illegal devices on artistic grounds", you say, but I just can't see what do you mean by it.
Code IS speech. It is a speech so exact that even a dumb computer understands it. And if we are to see any development in AI, code will get closer and closer to everyday speech.
Of course, code can be hard to read (although e.g. Knuth used it extensively for demonstration purposes in his Work), esp for those that do not have much expertise - but the same applies to a lot of philosopher's (they even have the habit to define new meanings for words, basically creating their language) and yet it would be absurd to declare their books as things not covered by the First Amendment.
Re:Over-reaction (Score:1)
Trouble is, these things could be enforced at any time, for any reason.
If you've (for example) "dishonored" the Sheriff's daughter you had better think twice about crossing against the signal.
With Big Brother getting bigger such excuses to harrass a citizen will probably be put to less obvious uses.
This is a general problem, not specificly related to DeCSS.
My Doc Martens are Speech (Score:3)
Re:The most chilling thing he said.. (Score:2)
Lets list a few reasons to move your internet service out of the US to, for example, Europe:
- COPPA, requiring you to infringe on everybody's privacy in order to protect American children.
- US Patent on Hyperlinking by British Telecom.
- Government censorship of websites. First porn, then drugs, now source code?
Though all this may be bad for the Internet in the US, it's very good for the Internet in other places around the world. Maybe people will suddenly be compelled to improve the infrastructure and lower the insane bandwidth prices in Europe. Why doesn't the US government understand that all they're doing with all these little laws and regulations is chase businesses and people away to other countries?
)O(
Never underestimate the power of stupidity
Re:My Doc Martens are Speech (Score:1)
Source Code is a Blue Print, not a Device (Score:2)
> component to the work, but it's first and foremost a solution to a problem.
But source code written by a programmer is not at all like a device built by an engineer. It's more like *blueprints* drafted by an engineer. The blueprints aren't a device; they're used to build a device. The source code is not a program; it's used to build a program. As such, it would be protected under the First Amendment. You see, I can possess and distribute blueprints to illegal devices, such as bombs, silencers, and automatic weapons. I cannot possess or distribute the devices which those blueprints can be used to build, but those blueprints are merely protected speech/expression. You may not like the fact that they are, but the Court has repeatedly held that such information is legal even though the devices are not.
And that's the crux of the matter. Judge Kaplan's DeCSS decision is a mere pandering to the wishes of influential corporations for whom he used to work and for whom he may well work in the future. Look at the text of his decision: he doesn't base it on sound legal precedent, he bases it on his corporate little notions of economic necessity. Well, my rights aren't subject to economic necessity, "Your Honor," and I spit in your general direction. Any "judge" who disregards Constitutional rights in favor of "corporate necessity" shouldn't be a judge. Do you think for a minute that Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, or Madison would have approved of this decision? Of course not, and since Madison and Jefferson are the two individuals most responsible for the Constitution, we should always ask ourselves what they would have meant by it.
> The protection afforded by free speech was originally intended to allow the
> expression of opinions, not to protect the creation of illegal devices on
> artistic grounds.
But source code is no more an illegal device than a schematic of an automatic weapon is. And, as I said, if you want to talk about what was "originally intended" by the Constitution, then you'll have to consider the Framers' "clear intent." Was their intent to allow corporations to prevent individuals from freely accessing materials which, under the original provisions of the Constitution, were public domain after just 14 years? Was their intent to allow corporations to not even let people draw schematics (write source code) for devices the corporations don't like? Was their intent to grant vast IP monopolies to corporations, keeping IP out of the hands of the people for in excess of a century? Was their intent to make people unable to reverse engineer devices for interoperability, when in their day anyone could clone anything, and it was considered fair business? Of course not. So, if you're going to talk about what Constitutional protections were intended to do, realize that the primary goal of that document was to ensure the rights of every individual, and that if Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry were alive today they'd be leading a Revolution against corporate tyranny.
Re:Over-reaction (Score:4)
That's all very true, but the US government, or rather, its parties, seem to care more about their steady revenue stream than about public opinion. Except in election times. Then they suddenly seem to care for both and awkwardly juggle them around to get the favour of both the people vote for them and the corporations who fund them. I love the smell of a conflict of interests in the morning.
Keep this junk in focus people, if you really think this is a violation of your first amendment rights, IGNORE IT.
In the Second World War, when laws against Jews were first instated by the Germans, they at first weren't enforced at all. Jews went to school, went to work, went along with their normal lives as they always had. Then suddenly when the Nazis had enough laws piled up against Jews (and they got pissed off at a mass peaceful protest against the German occupation by Dutch labourers in Amsterdam) they suddenly started to enforce those laws. Not all at once, mind you, but one by one, the same way they were introduced. First, jews couldn't go to school anymore. Then, they couldn't teach or practice medicine anymore. Then doctors couldn't treat Jews anymore. And in the end, everybody knows what happened.
What I mean by this is, you may ignore a law all you like, and it may be (partly) ignored by the government, but the law IS there, setting a precedent for worse laws in the future.
You cannot morally stand idle while your rights are being slowly but surely nibbled at. It seems the American government is boiling the frog by degrees, and up to now they seem to be quite successful. You're certainly falling for it...
)O(
Never underestimate the power of stupidity
Re:who the fuck cares? (Score:1)
Apparently it was because you used the word "fsck" repeatedly. I don't quite get it either, you were at least using a euphemism and not writing it out FUCK so all the kiddies could read... Maybe you should use "fornicate" or some other more generally accepted synonym.
"The letter of the law" expert required (Score:2)
And even the castigated 2600 Hacker Quarterly has gotten around the no-linking decision by simply removing the HTML and carrying a text list of more than 200 URLs you can cut and paste into a browser to reach a site that does post DeCSS. The total delay bought with nine months of litigation: about two seconds.
"
If they were to set up a FORM with a text entry field for a URL, and a submit button, which would then redirect you to a mirror site, would that be considered linking? Which is the "link", the "submit" button (which instanciates another http transaction) or the text entry field containing a site as a default value.
If that still counts as linking, would having the text entry field blank by default but filled in by JavaScript on another button get around the law.
Down from two seconds to about half, now that's optimisation...
FatPhil
Not speech == Not copyrightable??? (Score:1)
The Judge did point out that object (machine) code could not be considered "speech" to get 1st amendment protection as it was not expressive enough.
If the object code is not artistically expressive though, is it copyrightable?
There's a lot of overlap between 'copyrightable' & 'free speech' - I was hard pressed to think of things that fell into one category and not the other. Anyone?
Re:Not speech == Not copyrightable??? (Score:2)
My Letter to Congress (Score:1)
I wrote and hard-copied and sent this letter to all my congressmen over 2 weeks ago. Please Steal this letter from me and use as your own! Send it to everyone you know for them in turn to send to every congressmen on the hill!
Dear Representative,
I'm writing you this letter through actual tears of distress at the disheartening developments and outcomes of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). Never in my life have I seen a single piece of legislation give so much power to corporations at the expense of consumer rights and individual liberties. Of all the amendments in our Bill Of Rights one has stood out above all others. For good reason it is the First Amendment. Our founding fathers did not make it the 3rd, 6th or 10th. In the most recent case, Judge Kaplan in the DeCSS vs. MPAA trial ruled that not only was source code (which can be written on a T-shirt or even spoken) not protected speech, but that even linking or pointing people to that code is also illegal!
I'm not sure what I am asking you do only that if you don't already understand the frightening implications of these trends, I'm urging you to do so now before its too late. Since it was Congress who passed this draconian piece of legislation, it is Congress who must overturn it. I would like to see legislation that again puts private citizens first, and corporations second. Laws that protect the liberties and freedoms of individuals against over-zealous corporate interests. It must finally be asked if intellectual property protections as strict as those found in the DMCA are worth sacrificing the liberties guaranteed by the Constitution?
On the Internet there can be no genuine freedom of speech unless source code is a protected form of speech. This principle is attacked however by U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan in his ruling that, "society must be able to regulate the use and dissemination of code." The judge then enjoined Eric Corley, publisher of 2600 magazine, from assisting his readers from even linking to the code that unlocks DVD content. My head is spinning from the implications of all this. No longer is the criminal itself culpable, but discussing the details of it or pointing to people who do is also now criminal. Such a legal precedent could easily bring a typical journalist to court for the simple act of pointing out a newly discovered crack house! In the realm of anti-piracy/pro-intellectual property legislation, dangerous precedents like these are being set in courts cases like Napster and DeCSS.
No longer are the people doing the pirating liable, but any technology that has the potential to be used for piracy is also illegal. This same logic could easily apply to the Internet itself. It's equivalent to making cars illegal because they have the potential of being used by criminals to conduct bank robberies or kidnappings. Unless I am mistaken, technology has never been the culprit, only the user of such technology is culpable. In a murder trial we don't hold the knife trial, only the user of the knife. But now with the help of statutes within the DMCA, people like the MPAA and RIAA are trying to outlaw any and all technology that has the potential to facilitate piracy. If successful, we could say goodbye to the PC, the fax machine, the telephone, the Internet as we currently know and love them, as they all have the potential to be used for piracy. And here I suspect is the real agenda, which is to outlaw any technology that doesn't give them complete control over all its content. As such total control would be the only sure fire method of defeating piracy. This is a chilling prospect. Imagine everything we say, do and watch through media is tightly controlled, filtered and censored through the power of monopolized corporate interests.
Dangerously, a consortium of companies called the Copy Protection Technical Working Group (CPTWG), are already discussing plans to make such a reality possible by changing the entire array of media technologies and Internet protocols. Changing the technology is one thing, but making it illegal to create anything else is another. I don't know about you, but the thought of corporations forbidding individuals from producing and distributing media or building their own computers or running their own software should be completely repugnant to anyone with principles of a free society. To legally support the position that the common man is fit only for mindless consumption is a despicable point of view, and to forbid otherwise is a shocking development that speaks volumes about the perspective and motivation of current corporate culture.
Assuming corporations do manage to pull this off, then the individual user will no longer be able to distribute their own music or creative work freely online, as doing so would by definition mean using a format easily copyable and cheaply distributed - a technology they want to outlaw! Their reasoning is if such a format exists, as it does now in the case of mp3, then pirates will use it to duplicate copyrighted works. This is true, just as the automobile allows criminals to conduct bank heists or kidnappings. Is this reason enough to outlaw automobiles?
It all boils down to one salient fact. Now that duplication costs have fallen to zero, what you have here is nothing less than a corporate power grab attempting to create artificial scarcity where none exists. A desperate attempt to maintain previous monopolies of media distribution and revenue streams in the face of advancing technology. Luckily for us, the Pony Express didn't try to the same with the advent of the Telegraph.
Advancing technology has always changed the nature of society and the rules of business while bringing prosperity to millions. These new peer-to-peer file sharing technologies promise to do the same. May you have the wisdom to see past the current struggles of business in transition, by allowing these liberating technologies to flourish.
Respectfully Yours,
A Letter to Congress: Use it! (Score:1)
I wrote and hard-copied and sent this letter to all my congressmen over 2 weeks ago. Please Steal this letter from me and use as your own! Send it to everyone you know for them in turn to send to every congressmen on the hill!
Dear Representative,
I'm writing you this letter through actual tears of distress at the disheartening developments and outcomes of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). Never in my life have I seen a single piece of legislation give so much power to corporations at the expense of consumer rights and individual liberties. Of all the amendments in our Bill Of Rights one has stood out above all others. For good reason it is the First Amendment. Our founding fathers did not make it the 3rd, 6th or 10th. In the most recent case, Judge Kaplan in the DeCSS vs. MPAA trial ruled that not only was source code (which can be written on a T-shirt or even spoken) not protected speech, but that even linking or pointing people to that code is also illegal!
I'm not sure what I am asking you do only that if you don't already understand the frightening implications of these trends, I'm urging you to do so now before its too late. Since it was Congress who passed this draconian piece of legislation, it is Congress who must overturn it. I would like to see legislation that again puts private citizens first, and corporations second. Laws that protect the liberties and freedoms of individuals against over-zealous corporate interests. It must finally be asked if intellectual property protections as strict as those found in the DMCA are worth sacrificing the liberties guaranteed by the Constitution?
On the Internet there can be no genuine freedom of speech unless source code is a protected form of speech. This principle is attacked however by U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan in his ruling that, "society must be able to regulate the use and dissemination of code." The judge then enjoined Eric Corley, publisher of 2600 magazine, from assisting his readers from even linking to the code that unlocks DVD content. My head is spinning from the implications of all this. No longer is the criminal itself culpable, but discussing the details of it or pointing to people who do is also now criminal. Such a legal precedent could easily bring a typical journalist to court for the simple act of pointing out a newly discovered crack house! In the realm of anti-piracy/pro-intellectual property legislation, dangerous precedents like these are being set in courts cases like Napster and DeCSS.
No longer are the people doing the pirating liable, but any technology that has the potential to be used for piracy is also illegal. This same logic could easily apply to the Internet itself. It's equivalent to making cars illegal because they have the potential of being used by criminals to conduct bank robberies or kidnappings. Unless I am mistaken, technology has never been the culprit, only the user of such technology is culpable. In a murder trial we don't hold the knife trial, only the user of the knife. But now with the help of statutes within the DMCA, people like the MPAA and RIAA are trying to outlaw any and all technology that has the potential to facilitate piracy. If successful, we could say goodbye to the PC, the fax machine, the telephone, the Internet as we currently know and love them, as they all have the potential to be used for piracy. And here I suspect is the real agenda, which is to outlaw any technology that doesn't give them complete control over all its content. As such total control would be the only sure fire method of defeating piracy. This is a chilling prospect. Imagine everything we say, do and watch through media is tightly controlled, filtered and censored through the power of monopolized corporate interests.
Dangerously, a consortium of companies called the Copy Protection Technical Working Group (CPTWG), are already discussing plans to make such a reality possible by changing the entire array of media technologies and Internet protocols. Changing the technology is one thing, but making it illegal to create anything else is another. I don't know about you, but the thought of corporations forbidding individuals from producing and distributing media or building their own computers or running their own software should be completely repugnant to anyone with principles of a free society. To legally support the position that the common man is fit only for mindless consumption is a despicable point of view, and to forbid otherwise is a shocking development that speaks volumes about the perspective and motivation of current corporate culture.
Assuming corporations do manage to pull this off, then the individual user will no longer be able to distribute their own music or creative work freely online, as doing so would by definition mean using a format easily copyable and cheaply distributed - a technology they want to outlaw! Their reasoning is if such a format exists, as it does now in the case of mp3, then pirates will use it to duplicate copyrighted works. This is true, just as the automobile allows criminals to conduct bank heists or kidnappings. Is this reason enough to outlaw automobiles?
It all boils down to one salient fact. Now that duplication costs have fallen to zero, what you have here is nothing less than a corporate power grab attempting to create artificial scarcity where none exists. A desperate attempt to maintain previous monopolies of media distribution and revenue streams in the face of advancing technology. Luckily for us, the Pony Express didn't try to the same with the advent of the Telegraph.
Advancing technology has always changed the nature of society and the rules of business while bringing prosperity to millions. These new peer-to-peer file sharing technologies promise to do the same. May you have the wisdom to see past the current struggles of business in transition, by allowing these liberating technologies to flourish.
Respectfully Yours,
Contruing Narrowly (Score:1)
What was the judge thinking? If he really wants to prevent people from telling others where to get the code, he should have made it illegal to publish the URL in any form. But that would make the fascist nature of his ruling even more painfully obvious. Instead he's opted for a fig leaf, although I can't imagine how he could do this without embarrassment. He's got to know that a ban on "linking" is pointless. Such silly actions merely reduce the people's respect for the courts.
There is another explanation. It is not unheard of for judges to construe relief extremely narrowly when they are compelled (in their opinion) to give a ruling that offends their own sensibilities. For example in Australia we have the joy of a tax law that, when stacked up, would enable yoda to reach the cookies on the top shelf, ie it's _really_ thick because the high court (Supreme court equivalent for you yanks :-), and in particular one chief justice, did not really like the idea of Federal tax law and so he construed every interpretation that came before him _real_ narrow. So exception after exception was rasied and the legislation required to "close" the loopholes became more and more, er, extensive.
Now it is my opinion that judges who act in this way are hiding behind a legalist shield when in fact they are not legalist judges. It's painful, and in the long run it causes more grief than it saves but hey, IANOJ so who cares what I think. The one saving grace in this case is that (as one other poster pointed out) the populace has the capacity to change this kind of law and since it isn't tax law (governments just love ways of raising money :-) it isn't necessarily going to conflict with the vested interests of government, just the lobbyists of the industries affected. Whilst they are a powerful industry they really aren't that powerful particularly when they are also dependent on the _continuing_ revenue stream from the affected peoples "luxury" budget. I mean the MPAA isn't the energy industry or anything.
$0.02
Code is Speech Corporation. (Score:1)
My Letter to Congress: Please use it! (Score:1)
I wrote and hard-copied and sent this letter to all my congressmen over 2 weeks ago. Please Steal this letter from me and use as your own! Send it to everyone you know for them in turn to send to every congressmen on the hill!
Dear Representative,
I'm writing you this letter through actual tears of distress at the disheartening developments and outcomes of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). Never in my life have I seen a single piece of legislation give so much power to corporations at the expense of consumer rights and individual liberties. Of all the amendments in our Bill Of Rights one has stood out above all others. For good reason it is the First Amendment. Our founding fathers did not make it the 3rd, 6th or 10th. In the most recent case, Judge Kaplan in the DeCSS vs. MPAA trial ruled that not only was source code (which can be written on a T-shirt or even spoken) not protected speech, but that even linking or pointing people to that code is also illegal!
I'm not sure what I am asking you do only that if you don't already understand the frightening implications of these trends, I'm urging you to do so now before its too late. Since it was Congress who passed this draconian piece of legislation, it is Congress who must overturn it. I would like to see legislation that again puts private citizens first, and corporations second. Laws that protect the liberties and freedoms of individuals against over-zealous corporate interests. It must finally be asked if intellectual property protections as strict as those found in the DMCA are worth sacrificing the liberties guaranteed by the Constitution?
On the Internet there can be no genuine freedom of speech unless source code is a protected form of speech. This principle is attacked however by U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan in his ruling that, "society must be able to regulate the use and dissemination of code." The judge then enjoined Eric Corley, publisher of 2600 magazine, from assisting his readers from even linking to the code that unlocks DVD content. My head is spinning from the implications of all this. No longer is the criminal itself culpable, but discussing the details of it or pointing to people who do is also now criminal. Such a legal precedent could easily bring a typical journalist to court for the simple act of pointing out a newly discovered crack house! In the realm of anti-piracy/pro-intellectual property legislation, dangerous precedents like these are being set in courts cases like Napster and DeCSS.
No longer are the people doing the pirating liable, but any technology that has the potential to be used for piracy is also illegal. This same logic could easily apply to the Internet itself. It's equivalent to making cars illegal because they have the potential of being used by criminals to conduct bank robberies or kidnappings. Unless I am mistaken, technology has never been the culprit, only the user of such technology is culpable. In a murder trial we don't hold the knife trial, only the user of the knife. But now with the help of statutes within the DMCA, people like the MPAA and RIAA are trying to outlaw any and all technology that has the potential to facilitate piracy. If successful, we could say goodbye to the PC, the fax machine, the telephone, the Internet as we currently know and love them, as they all have the potential to be used for piracy. And here I suspect is the real agenda, which is to outlaw any technology that doesn't give them complete control over all its content. As such total control would be the only sure fire method of defeating piracy. This is a chilling prospect. Imagine everything we say, do and watch through media is tightly controlled, filtered and censored through the power of monopolized corporate interests.
Dangerously, a consortium of companies called the Copy Protection Technical Working Group (CPTWG), are already discussing plans to make such a reality possible by changing the entire array of media technologies and Internet protocols. Changing the technology is one thing, but making it illegal to create anything else is another. I don't know about you, but the thought of corporations forbidding individuals from producing and distributing media or building their own computers or running their own software should be completely repugnant to anyone with principles of a free society. To legally support the position that the common man is fit only for mindless consumption is a despicable point of view, and to forbid otherwise is a shocking development that speaks volumes about the perspective and motivation of current corporate culture.
Assuming corporations do manage to pull this off, then the individual user will no longer be able to distribute their own music or creative work freely online, as doing so would by definition mean using a format easily copyable and cheaply distributed - a technology they want to outlaw! Their reasoning is if such a format exists, as it does now in the case of mp3, then pirates will use it to duplicate copyrighted works. This is true, just as the automobile allows criminals to conduct bank heists or kidnappings. Is this reason enough to outlaw automobiles?
It all boils down to one salient fact. Now that duplication costs have fallen to zero, what you have here is nothing less than a corporate power grab attempting to create artificial scarcity where none exists. A desperate attempt to maintain previous monopolies of media distribution and revenue streams in the face of advancing technology. Luckily for us, the Pony Express didn't try to the same with the advent of the Telegraph.
Advancing technology has always changed the nature of society and the rules of business while bringing prosperity to millions. These new peer-to-peer file sharing technologies promise to do the same. May you have the wisdom to see past the current struggles of business in transition, by allowing these liberating technologies to flourish.
Respectfully Yours,
An article about drugs & civil liberties (Score:1)
This article [mapinc.org] is number 8 in a series of articles entitled "Why The War On Drugs Has Failed" published by the Ottowa Citizen in Canada. It talks about the erosion of civil liberties that the War on Drugs has caused, including things like the Methamphetamine Anti-Proliferation Act in the US and Section 462.2 in Canada which prevent free speech when it relates to drugs.
If you've got the time, the whole series is incredibly interesting and deals with the entire nature and consequences of the War on Drugs. There are plenty more articles on the subject at the Media Awareness Project [mapinc.org].
Re:And is Copyright on code a bad thing? (Score:2)
Here's a link to a statement [siia.net] of the law by one of the groups dedicated stamping out software piracy (the SIIA which used to be the SPA) among other things.
Some ponderings... (Score:2)
Excuse me? Since when does restricting access to cultural goods protect consumers? What would protect consumers is for the justice department to finally recognise the MPAA and RIAA for the cartels they are. Microsoft has to split up, yet AOL and Time Warner may merge. Where's the logic in that?
The judge ruled that the government has a compelling interest in preventing the dissemination of certain kinds of information. In this case, the information was the code for decrypting DVDs, and the "compelling interest" was protecting the profits of Time Warner and Disney.
Excuse me? Isn't the government supposed to protect the public from evil corporations, and not the other way around? Time Warner doesn't need any government protection. They're big enough to fend for their own.
Kaplan's argument about the immediacy of links could even be used to explain why Congress needed to ban drug info on the Web, but not burn books down at the local library. "It's the immediacy, stupid!" But soon, you know, there will be no need for local libraries. Paper books will exist only in museums. So if you can censor the Web, there will eventually be nothing immune to your reach.
I don't think books will disappear, but that doesn't really detract from the rest of this argument. Slowly but surely they're moving for absolute control over the Internet while nobody, or at least not enough people are watching. So what if all people who know what's really going on vote against it? That wouldn't even make a dent. And it seems both parties have an equal interest in controlling the Internet. Where is the representative who is against all that? There isn't any? Nice democracy you've got there. "Sorry, but your opinion cannot be represented. Try again at the next election. Muahahaha."
And if Kaplan's decision stands, the First Amendment is dead.
Not immediately. But it'll definitely make it HIV positive...
)O(
Never underestimate the power of stupidity
MPAA's email address (Score:1)
(well, it's true)
Re:Repeat after me: (Score:3)
unsigned char CSStab1[256]=
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};
unsigned char CSStab2[256]=
{
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0xed,0xec,0xef,0xee,0xe9,0xe8,0xeb,0xea,0xe4,0xe5
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unsigned char CSStab3[512]=
{
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unsigned char CSStab4[256]=
{
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0x0f,0x8f,0x4f,0xcf,0x2f,0xaf,0x6f,0xef,0x1f,0x9f
};
unsigned char CSStab5[256]=
{
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0xf4,0x74,0xb4,0x34,0xd4,0x54,0x94,0x14,0xe4,0x64
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0xf0,0x70,0xb0,0x30,0xd0,0x50,0x90,0x10,0xe0,0x60
};
void CSSdescramble(unsigned char *sec,unsigned char *key)
{
unsigned int t1,t2,t3,t4,t5,t6;
unsigned char *end=sec+0x800;
t1=key[0]^sec[0x54]|0x100;
t2=key[1]^sec[0x55];
t3=(*((unsigned int *)(key+2)))^(*((unsigned int *)(sec+0x56)));
t4=t3&7;
t3=t3*2+8-t4;
sec+=0x80;
t5=0;
while(sec!=end)
{
t4=CSStab2[t2]^CSStab3[t1];
t2=t1>>1;
t1=((t1&1)<<8)^t4;
t4=CSStab5[t4];
t6=(((((((t3>>3)^t3)>>1)^t3)>>8)^t3)>>5)&0xff;
t3=(t3<<8)|t6;
t6=CSStab4[t6];
t5+=t6+t4;
*sec++=CSStab1[*sec]^(t5&0xff);
t5>>=8;
}
}
void CSStitlekey1(unsigned char *key,unsigned char *im)
{
unsigned int t1,t2,t3,t4,t5,t6;
unsigned char k[5];
int i;
t1=im[0]|0x100;
t2=im[1];
t3=*((unsigned int *)(im+2));
t4=t3&7;
t3=t3*2+8-t4;
t5=0;
for(i=0;i<5;i++)
{
t4=CSStab2[t2]^CSStab3[t1];
t2=t1>>1;
t1=((t1&1)<<8)^t4;
t4=CSStab4[t4];
t6=(((((((t3>>3)^t3)>>1)^t3)>>8)^t3)>>5)&0xff;
t3=(t3<<8)|t6;
t6=CSStab4[t6];
t5+=t6+t4;
k[i]=t5&0xff;
t5>>=8;
}
for(i=9;i>=0;i--)
key[CSStab0[i+1]]=k[CSStab0[i+1]]^CSStab1[key[CSS
}
void CSStitlekey2(unsigned char *key,unsigned char *im)
{
unsigned int t1,t2,t3,t4,t5,t6;
unsigned char k[5];
int i;
t1=im[0]|0x100;
t2=im[1];
t3=*((unsigned int *)(im+2));
t4=t3&7;
t3=t3*2+8-t4;
t5=0;
for(i=0;i<5;i++)
{
t4=CSStab2[t2]^CSStab3[t1];
t2=t1>>1;
t1=((t1&1)<<8)^t4;
t4=CSStab4[t4];
t6=(((((((t3>>3)^t3)>>1)^t3)>>8)^t3)>>5)&0xff;
t3=(t3<<8)|t6;
t6=CSStab5[t6];
t5+=t6+t4;
k[i]=t5&0xff;
t5>>=8;
}
for(i=9;i>=0;i--)
key[CSStab0[i+1]]=k[CSStab0[i+1]]^CSStab1[key[CSS
}
void CSSdecrypttitlekey(unsigned char *tkey,unsigned char *dkey)
{
int i;
unsigned char im1[6];
unsigned char im2[6]={0x51,0x67,0x67,0xc5,0xe0,0x00};
for(i=0;i<6;i++)
im1[i]=dkey[i];
CSStitlekey1(im1,im2);
CSStitlekey2(tkey,im1);
}
Is C++ code free speech or not? (Score:1)
void main()
{
for (int i=10; --i >= 0; )
{
printf("Repeat 10 times after me: Sourcecode is text. Text may be copyrighted and trademarked, but the ideas behind them should be free!");
}
}
and:
Repeat 10 times after me: Sourcecode is text. Text may be copyrighted and trademarked, but the ideas behind them should be free!
Repeat 10 times after me: Sourcecode is text. Text may be copyrighted and trademarked, but the ideas behind them should be free!
Repeat 10 times after me: Sourcecode is text. Text may be copyrighted and trademarked, but the ideas behind them should be free!
Repeat 10 times after me: Sourcecode is text. Text may be copyrighted and trademarked, but the ideas behind them should be free!
Repeat 10 times after me: Sourcecode is text. Text may be copyrighted and trademarked, but the ideas behind them should be free!
Repeat 10 times after me: Sourcecode is text. Text may be copyrighted and trademarked, but the ideas behind them should be free!
Repeat 10 times after me: Sourcecode is text. Text may be copyrighted and trademarked, but the ideas behind them should be free!
Repeat 10 times after me: Sourcecode is text. Text may be copyrighted and trademarked, but the ideas behind them should be free!
Repeat 10 times after me: Sourcecode is text. Text may be copyrighted and trademarked, but the ideas behind them should be free!
Repeat 10 times after me: Sourcecode is text. Text may be copyrighted and trademarked, but the ideas behind them should be free!
- Steeltoe
Then don't have 2600 represent the movement (Score:1)
If you want to mobilize the people to stand for civil rights, use a Rosa Parks. If you want to lose public sympathy go right ahead and push 2600 as representing the movement.
Re:Is C++ code free speech or not? (Score:1)
void main()
{
for (int i=0; i < 0; i++)
{
printf("Repeat 10 times after me: Sourcecode is text. Text may be copyrighted and trademarked, but the ideas behind them should be free!");
}
}
Would be how I'd have written it (although
Strong data typing is for those with weak minds.
Re:Is C++ code free speech or not? (Score:1)
Therefore, you really meant to say...
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#include <stdio.h>
int main() {
int e=0,i=10;
for(;i--;)
e|=printf("Only C code is free speech. C++ code sucks.\n");
return e;
}
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;)
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pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate [ncsu.edu].
Re:Is C++ code free speech or not? (Score:1)
-Pete
Re:Really want Code = Speech? (Score:1)
Well, that would depend on the copyright holder.
This post is copyright (c) 2000 Paradise PeteCo. PeteCo grants you the right to print it on T-shirts if ya want, though.
-Pete
Re:Is C++ code free speech or not? (Score:1)
Imagine I'm not a semi literate retard who can type properly, and put a 10 in the loop control section instead of a 0... Then think about it... I'd say it would be optimised by the compiler, and my example gives the compiler a better chance of getting a top optimisation...
Strong data typing is for those with weak minds.
What has happened to America? (Score:2)
Consider this, Of the drug war's many assaults on American civil liberties, perhaps the most extreme is what is called civil asset forfeiture. Ordinarily, property is only seized after its owner is charged and convicted of a crime and the property can be shown to be the fruits of that crime. Civil asset forfeiture, however, does away with the need to prove the owner's guilt. To seize any sort of property, police simply have to show that the property was somehow connected to illegal drugs. To do that, the police must meet only a civil law standard of proof -- a far lower standard than that required to convict someone of a crime. It doesn't matter if the owner of the property is never convicted of a crime, or never even charged with a crime. In 80 per cent of forfeitures, in fact, charges are never laid. -- From the media awareness project.
Hmmm.. Sounds scary.... what if you own a hotel and someone does a drug deal or smokes dope on your property, however you have no knowledge of this(most hotel owners would be violating privacy if they had cameras in every room). Can they take away your property? You bet, this scenario has already happened!!!
Now there are exceptions to the fourth amendment - What's stopping the government from making exceptions to the first amendment or any other for that matter. Imagine, not being able to say "drugs should be legal." Hmmm. Now people can't express their opinions... What's next, you can have freedom of religion as long as that religion is Christianity? maybe Judeaism? We are slowly becoming a country which does not deserve to be called America - we are losing our freedoms.
We have a choice in this next election.... Republican party, Democratic party, Third party, or Boston Tea Party. Our rights are precious and "to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just power from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it." -- Article 1 Section 2 of the Constitution.
Re:Source Code is a Blue Print, not a Device (Score:2)
any bright insights?
//rdj
Re:Start a petition... (Score:1)
Yeah, maybe we could get double-click to host it.
-Pete
Re:Kaplan vs. Bernstein (Score:2)
Re:Yes! (Score:1)
<P>
Code is speech and you should be able to archive a copy of what you own and be able to play them on your Linux laptop!
<P>
i do not promote the illegal selling of copyrighted material.
how to contact the MPAA (Score:1)
MOTION PICTURE ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA
155053 Ventura blvd
Encino, California 91436
PHONE: (818)995-6600
WEB SITE: www.mpaa.org
What if it *was* speech? (Score:1)
How profound is the net? (Score:1)
Sure, it lets you publish things easier, read things easier, buy things easier... Everything is just easier with the click of a mouse than getting in your car, driving, and using some sweat.
But just how profound is it? Is it so profound that we're developing special rulings and laws just for it? Maybe I'm wrong and the Internet truly is different.
speech is an act, not a thing (Score:2)
So stop analyzing what the program does when compiled and run on a computer - you've missed the point. When you run it, that's not speech. When you show the code to another human being, that's speech.
Re:who the fsck cares? (Score:1)
Re:Code as speech. (Score:1)
Re:That's the most boring letter ever (Score:1)
I just sent a letter to World Magazine [worldmag.com] about this case in response to last week's "On-line Pirates walk the plank" article. World has, in my opinion, done a good job overall of reporting the facts. This one article, however read like a regurgitated press release from the MPAA. I took them to task on it.
I'm also in the process of writing letters to both candidtates for Florida District 15-- US House, Dave Weldon (R) and Patsy Kurth (D) for their take on this issue (as well as Dr. Wen Ho Lee). Similar letters will go to other candidates that I can vote on that will have a say after November (McCollum is running for Senate, replacing Connie Mack, for instance).
Anyhoo, what did your letter say?
Jeff
Damn! I'm out of moderator points! (Score:1)
Re:"The letter of the law" expert required (Score:1)
IANAL and I don't know, however, this [sites.inka.de] probably would if it had been done by the defendants, but it wasn't. </shameless plug>.
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Re:Code as speech. (Score:3)
Simply put, DeCSS tells you how to do something a commercial organization doesn't want you to do. How is that anything other than a form of expression?
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Re:Source Code is a Blue Print, not a Device (Score:1)
Re:Source Code is a Blue Print, not a Device (Score:2)
Anti-Jewish laws started before WWII (Score:1)
Re:Touretzky Syndrome (Score:2)
The specific part of the Act that is referred to in the article, but has no direct link is:
421. Distribution of information relating to manufacture of controlled substances
There is a nice explanation (linked from the article) available here [motherjones.com]
And don't let the name of the act fool you, this amendment applies to all controlled substances. For example it would be illegal for me to explain on Slashdot how to build a hydroponic system in your closet using:
(1) 5 gallon bucket
(1) 2 liter bottle
6 feet of plastic tubing
(1) fish tank pump
(1) flourescent lamp
(2) automatic timers (to toggle water/light)
(1) bag of perlite
(4 or 5) seeds out of the couch
(1) link to web site that sells hydroponic nutrients [natureperfect.com]
(1) roll of mylar (optional)
Now, this is dangerous information because it partially teaches someone how
build a basic hydroponic setup that could grow a plant that is a controlled
substance--and the setup is scalable too so who knows what could happen.
If a prosecutor decides that my intent is for you to use this information in
something that could be a federal crime, then I'm facing fines and up 10 years
Rob and company have 48 hours to remove the link to the drug manufacture
paraphenalia site that I linked (don't laugh, google picked it, not me) or
someone there faces up to 3 years in prison. They'd have to establish
that my intent was for people reading it to commit a federal crime--like
distributing the pot to chemotherapy and aids patients, or even teaching
them how to grow their own.
I happened to submit a link to the Slashdot crew about this last August because
figured the whole "illegal speech" thing and "illegal linking" thing would
piss them off. I think my submission slipped past them though because it
related more directly to medical marijuana than watching DVD's in Linux.
numb
PS: I believe the link I had submitted was from NORML [norml.org] but all I can find is a short blurb in
their 8-12-99 news archive.
Re:Is C++ code free speech or not? (Score:1)
Re:Some ponderings... (Score:1)
Actually, the latest news is that both European and U.S. regulators will probably block the merger as it stands, and the divestitures that they would require for the merger to go forward would be very unpalatable to AOL-Time Warner. So for the time being things are looking up.
Re:Is C++ code free speech or not? (Score:1)
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In Canada... (Score:1)
As far as I am concerned. It is not illegal to post DeCSS, link to DeCSS, or anything relating to DeCSS. I'll post it for the cost of getting a Canadian ISP to host it for anyone. (not neccessary though since it's already everywhere)
Not only that Canada law makes it very difficult for companies to censor things. The Charter or Rights and Freedoms (Kinda like your constitution) has not been hacked to bits unlike the US companies are doing to your constitution. This sort of behaviour is sick and deplorable.
Who runs the MPAA? Companies -> Sony, RCA... where are they originating? -> Asian Countries like Japan, Taiwan...
No wonder they don't give a crap about the US constitution... to them you're just a bunch of brainless comsumer pods.
I wish you all luck down there in the states!
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Re:What has happened to America? (Score:3)
Don't forget what happens to the property after it is siezed. They police department keeps it or auctions it for money. If it's your house they'll most likely sell it, but your car or computer (as are commonly siezed in the raids now) are often useful to the police so they keep them. As far as I can tell this is more like an incentive plan for the police to bust people than anything. Ah, prohibition at work--when will we ever learn?
numb
Valenti and MPAA (Score:2)
They are simply poor people - just like you - who are trying to protect their 'breadbasket'. They are just being stupid when they seek to silence your voice. Because it can be adequately explained by stupidity - it CAN't be malice!
Please remember - Mr. Valenti and the MPAA are not going to be holding loaded guns to your head and seizing your computer equipment from you if you violate the court order they have obtained against linking to DeCSS; that will be the police doing that.
Please remember - it was not malice that drove Jack Valenti and the MPAA to have the Norwegian teen who first posted the DeCSS taken in for questioning by the Norwegian authorities - it was stupidity that drove them to do it. If only Jack Valenti understood that we just wanted a free (as in speech) DVD player for linux and that we weren't trying to pirate DVD's this whole case would go away. Isn't it amazing that Jack Valenti and the MPAA are ALL so stupid? Even though we have told them what we were trying to do with DeCSS in terms that anyone with more intellectual ability than Koko the chimp (and yes, I know Koko is a gorilla) couldn't fail to understand - they are unable to understand what we are saying.
Perhaps the good people of slashdot - after convincing me that my argument that many people in positions of authority and power are evil and do things out of malice - not stupidity - is wrong could suggest some ways that we could penetrate the unmalicious stupidity of Mr. Valenti and the MPAA.
If I needed any other proof that Mr. Valenti and the MPAA members are just stupid it would be how many times Mr. Valenti was unable to remember things while testifying under oath. See, that wouldn't be malice at work - that is just plain old stupidity.
You know, come to think of it, if only the Jews in Germany in the 1930's could have broken through the stupidity of the people in the National Socialist Party to show them that the Jews weren't really to blame for Europe's economic state the whole stupid, unmalicious, error of the concentration camps of the 1940's could have been avoided.
Note to moderators - although I have made many specious arguments with which I don't agree in this post, and although it I would like to have this post spring up discussion of what I have to say - THIS POST IS NOT A TROLL. I am being SARCASTIC. Perhaps I should surround the whole post with SARCASM ... /SARCASM tags so you would understand this.
Re:What has happened to America? (Score:2)
Asset forfeiture has grown into a multi-million dollar revenue source for local, state, and federal police agencies. Approximately $550 million in forfeiture proceeds are deposited into the U.S. Department of Justice Asset Forfeiture Fund every year; millions more are taken by local and state police.
This document is actually from 1995 but the problem hasn't gotten any better. Check out some of the other search results on google [google.com] to get an idea just how bad the problem is here in the US--it may also shed some light on why law enforcement is so gung-ho about keeping the war on drugs going.
numb
Re:Convenience? (Score:1)
So if I get this straight, it's against the law to save someone else the whole 2 seconds it takes to cut & paste a link?
Is that some obscure plan to make people think instead of being lazy or something?
Unfortunately, Touretzky is wrong: Kaplan's decision is a significant win for the MPAA. Here's why:
Convenience is a big deal. The MPAA doesn't actually care about preventing people from getting the DeCSS source code. What they really care about is ensuring that the code doesn't get compiled into binaries that are readily usable by the general public, or at least that such binaries are not easily available to the general public. If the only people who can use DeCSS (or some other implementation of the same algorithm) to duplicate CSS-protected DVDs are those with the patience and ability to convert the code from one of the forms in Touretzky's gallery and build the program, the MPAA has gotten what they really want: CSS will effectively prevent 99+% of the population from copying DVDs. And Kaplan's decision is clearly strong enough to prevent distribution of binaries in a form that is useful to most people.
Re:Is C++ code free speech or not? (Score:2)
Ack! You must be an old school coder! For your information, you cannot have main not returning an integer in standard C or C++. It is invalid code.
The following links should help refine your coding style. I only mention this because a) I am pedantic, and b) because I happen to believe new programmers reading this list shouldn't have to read crappy, non-compliant code (especially when the C standard has been around more than 10 years):
http://www.eskimo.com/~scs
http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/v2faq
And one of my favorite alt.lang.learnc-c++ contributors, Jack Klein:
http://home.att.net/~jackklein
Stuart
*slashdot pedant*
The End of Free Speech? (Score:1)
That was an interesting article over on Salon.com. It amuses me that techies and other "citizens" get all exercised about the possibility that we may "lose free speech." Well guys, we lost free speech many years ago.
The DeCSS case is another example of what happens when the courts treat corporations as humn beings. This concept originated about a century ago, so it's still a fairly fresh ideological development. But the corporations have been highly successful, using propaganda, in convincing most Americans that this is the natural state of things. Fortunately, new Internet technologies have been pretty useful is getting more folks to see that the emperor has no clothes. Now folks are finally beginning to understand that intellectual property laws like the DMCA don't exist to protect the little artist, they exist to protect profits.
Intellectual property law is incompatible with free speech. IP law says that commercial concerns trump the rights of the individual.
Expect to see further erosion of free speech in coming years as the state becomes more and more arrogant. The corporations have reached the peak of their arrogance; they know understand that people are pissed at them, thanks in no part to the anti-capitalist movement. (BTW, Bill Gates had to be helicoptered in to his WEF speech yesterday in Melbourne. The casino was surrounded by activists).
If you really want to see how far the state will go when it wants to shut people up, just check out what the City of Philadelphia did to GOP convention protesters last month. It charged several with felonies and million dollar bails for SIMPLY USING A CELL PHONE!
Wake up America, it's worse than you think!
This would not be the first time .... (Score:1)
Re:Incentives for 2600 and EFF to be irresponsible (Score:1)
Do you think a bunch of geeks can win a PR battle against those who can drive millions to see masterpieces like Coyote Ugly?
Forget it. We've lost. Unless our newfound wealth can drive the politicians to our camp, and judges to our position. That's why the EFF is our last best hope.
Artistry is Not the Criterion (Score:2)
Artistry is not the reason for protecting speech, nor is it the criterion for which speech is to be protected!
As you note, a primary reason for the 1st amendment protection of speech is to protect dissident political opinions. Some of the men who penned that amendment themselves had been at risk of being hanged for treason, for having writen a political document -- the Declaration of Independence. It could not have been far from their minds. They did not come up with the first amendment out of a sense of the sacredness or privileged place of Art.
No, speech is not protected because it might be art; art is protected because it might be speech.
Consider the Constitution itself. No one would argue it is other than speech, yet what is it besides a program for running a government? The fact that something is "first and foremost a solution to a problem" hardly keeps it from being speech.
And just because code is language readily obeyed by computers does not mean it is not speech. What happens if we develop actual natural language parsing? Is then English to be curtailed?
The fact is we're in a terrible pickle. Freedom of speech comparatively straight forward in a world where words are just words. But what do we do in a world in which words have the power to alter reality? To simply say "it is not speech" is a cop-out. It doesn't solve the intrinsic problem -- that words just became vastly more powerful -- it just sweeps it under the rug. As computers become better and better at obeying natural languages and computers become more and more ubiquitous, the problem just gets worse.
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Re:Over-reaction (Score:2)
Anyway, the method used by the Nazi's was far more insideous than what you describe. The first target was the intellectuals, and when the intellectuals were out the way it would be easier to bring about the disgustingly far-reaching situation that finally ensued. The first targets were the Communists and the gays, both of which were a significantly high proportion of the political intelligencia at the time. (Remember, that being a "Communist" as a contrast to the prevailing NSDAP politics of the time has _no_ relation to the corruption and hideous dictatorships of some of the Eastern European countries last century (Europe does geographically go as far east as Russia) so don't be scared by the word, please)
With the David Touretskys out of the way (I'm not saying he fits into any catagory other than intelligencia) (and the Chomskys, etc.), it would be far easier for laws to stamp on the rest of us.
All I know is that when (/if) I have given up faith in the law, I will maintain my faith in the power of the underground.
No, Mr spook, of course I won't take an active part, merely observing...
FatPhil
(NOT)
Re:Well then, stop "whinning" (Score:2)
If you had read the site [sorehands.com] this year you would see it is now with Mattel, not just part of it.
Re:I can't help but to be afraid (Score:2)
I've seen many people talk about writing letters to Congress, and urging others to do so. I think it is far more effective to just post your letter. Otherwise it's just vaporware.
You can email your House Rep from http://www.house.gov/writerep/ [house.gov]
Re:Kaplan vs. Bernstein (Score:2)
The analysis in Bernstein is very good. They basically say that source code is meant to be read by humans, and therefore is speech. They also rejected the notion that functionality immunized first amendment protection. They also disputed that source code actually was functional.
Kaplan did actually admit that software (source or object) was speech, but he treated it like the symbolic speech of burning your draft card: that is, he claimed that the govenernment was regulating the non-speech elements of conduct that are found in software. These elements, according to him, are the functionality of the software. This does appear to contradict the analysis of Bernstein, at least regarding source code (in addition to being an incompetent assessment of software).
I think this talk of "functionality" is sorely misplaced. Functionality is not conduct -- it is potential conduct. O'Brien was not arrested for carrying a lighter and a draft card, which certainly provided him "functionality" to burn his card.
Nor does "functionality" exist until object code is installed on a physical machine capable of executing it. As the Bernstein court reasoned, voice recognition software will soon make all speech functional.
Yet Another Political Post.. worth reading (Score:2)
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Re:Gotta respect him... (Score:2)
I agree that this professor has got some chutzpah creating this gallery, and I think he's being smart about it.
But I also think that he can change jobs easily, if he wants. As a CMU professor, he could leave today and start work in the industry tomorrow. He probably gets emails and calls form headhunters, on a regular basis, plus his friends and professional contacts undoubtedly include other influential corporate types.
Finally, other Universities are always looking to hire "name-brand" professors. Dr. Touretzky could probably have a new professorship within a year if he wanted.
The real danger for him is being labeled a "renegade" or "trouble-maker". Businesses don't generally like those types, and that could hinder future job opportunities. However, universities sometimes do want just that attitude, so it might help him academically.
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D. Fischer
Re:Touretzky Syndrome (Score:2)
You raise an important issue. Currently, sexual harassment is essentially determined by whether the claimant felt harassed. In other words, if you claim you have been harassed by me, then you have; my actual statements & behavior are largely irrelevant.
This is gaining greater impact. In the last year, and group of extreme pro-life (anti-abortion) activists created a website listing abortionists' names & addresses in the Seattle(?) area. They also printed and distributed posters around the area. They were sued, and lost the case. The essential argument was that the doctors listed felt threatened, therefore they were. (anti-flame note: I don't agree with this group's tactics)
This is dangerous territory: speech is being regulated based on the listener's perception of it, not on what was actually said. Thus, you must not only consider what you want to say, but also what others might think/feel you are saying.
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D. Fischer
Re:Well then, stop "whinning" (Score:2)
Maybe a large company using abusive litigation tactics might have something to do with many of the discussions here.
And BTW, I will shut up, after Mattel stops their abusive tactics!
Not the ``PC" movement . . . (Score:2)
For example, throughout US history, bills to improve the infrastucture have had the word ``military" or ``defense" tacked onto them in order to improve their chances to get passed: the various ``Military Road" acts of the mid-19th century, the Interstate highway act was described as a ``Defense" appropriation, & the Internet was originally the _Defense_ ARPA.
All you have to do is say that there are boogeymen out there (e.g., Anarchists, Bolsheviks, Drug Dealers, Child Molesters, even
Unfortunately the US is not unique in this regard. During the reign of Elizabeth I, the UK had its own extralegal Star Chamber, assigned to combat the threat of Catholicism.
Geoff
Re:Source Code is a Blue Print, not a Device (Score:3)
As Michael Moore said:
What do you call a lawyer with an IQ of 80? "Your Honor".
Re:Touretzky Syndrome (Score:2)
Not a flame, but the anti-abortionists went beyond the realm of free speech in that they were doing the equivilant of "inciting to riot". To say "all abortion providers must die" is protected speech. But to say "all abortion providers must die - and here's where you can find them to kill them" crosses the line. Their point ("abortion providers are bad") can be made without providing home addresses, thus their right to express themselves was not constrained.
Re:The George Orwell article (Score:2)
Geoff
Re:Code = Mathematics = Speech? (Score:2)