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Canadian Recording Industry Wants CD Levy Raised 19

CTI Colt writes: "Well, they're at it again. This article reports that the recording industry in Canada has applied to the Canadian Copyright Board for a hearing on increasing the CD levy (which was set at 5.2 cents originally). They want it raised to 50 cents for every CD and CD/RW (audio use or not), as well as applying for a levy increase on blank cassette tapes. The board will hear their motion on Oct. 24 of this year. Start the campaign against this insanity now!" I like to run articles like this because it helps raise awareness that you are already being taxed (in the U.S. too) for "piracy", money that goes straight to the music industry. It's a cunning tax that mostly falls into the out-of-sight, out-of-mind category.
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Canadian Recording Industry Wants CD Levy Raised

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  • You think that's bad? I was in Ireland last month, the cheapest cd i could find was $24. Many were up to $40!! Even a blank cd there is at least $6! It's highway robbery, next time I go I'm bringing spindles and setting up shop (as long as they don't tax me to death first)
  • Stockwell Day is an anti-abortionist, right-wing, seclusionist, racist politician who likes to avoid questions and panders to the lowest common denominator, even when that is most certainly not the moral high-ground. i'd rather have another five years of liberals than the canadian alliance

    Maybe, but they're not getting elected on those issues. They're getting elected on the fact that I make a contribution to the government of nearly $2,000/month. That's insane. Absolutely insane. Anyone billing to reduce that by half is getting my vote, period, end of sale. I'm sick of the liberals wasting my money, and Joe Clark.. well, he was cool when my parents were 20. So in my world, it's the best of some bad choices, unless the PC's or Liberals would like to cut my taxes instead of losing a billion dollars here and there and spending it on whiney bleeding heart scam job creation grants instead of hospitals.

    For the record, too. On the aforementioned "moral issues", representatives vote as they are told to by the people they represent, not the party line - like the liberals and conservates have to, lest Joe Clark or Cretien get medieval on your ass. This is how _I_ think this should work. Then you get _fair representation_. Sure there are areas of Canada pro-life just as there are areas pro-choice. I suggest you read the party platform before blindly charging off.

    And, to keep this on-topic: Your MLA as well as your MP can have an effect (I put in the right link to the MP search page, FWIW.) The provinces can tell the federal parties people are pissed, and they might listen, maybe.

    Unless you're working for the government, of course.

  • AFAIK this has nothing to do with software. Your money is going to 'nsync instead of Microsoft. Much better, isn't it?
  • On this note, a link to RMS' article The Right Way to Tax DAT [gnu.org] is appropriate here. This essay has been mentioned in conjunction with the topic of the Canadian CD-R levy before.

  • This point was raised in the 1980s when someone proposed that a levy should be put on blank floppies & tapes to compensate the software industry for piracy -- it was thought that people would start copying more software because they'd already paid the "piracy tax".

    I think it's crap that the Industry here can jump to the conclusion that all CD-R's are being used to pirate songs - I mean, it really smacks of FUD. They can piss off if they think they're going to get any revenue out of me because I want to burn a few Debian or Red Hat CD's.

  • If cds were priced realistically at local stores at say..... $7-$12 before sales tax then piracy wouldn't be common at all. People would feel good about the music they buy because they would feel like they got a good product at a good price. But come on people! $18 is the norm for new cds where I live. I went to buy the new sunny day realestate cd at sam goody (the only decent record store at our mall :( ) and it cost $18!! I bought my copy their "how it feels to be something on" cd online for $11 before s&h (which wasn't bad at all because I bought 17 cds in the order).

    If stuff like this happens in the US I plan to start getting my friends and I split the cost of the original cd and burn copies of it! We'll just roll dice or something to see who gets the original copy.
  • ummm you really shouldn't write to your MLA for something like this; rather, you want to be writing to your MP. MLA stands for Member of the Legislative Assembly and is the designation for those who are elected to the Provincial govt. an MP is the Member of Parliament, the elected rep at the federal level--it is at this level that the copyright board must answer to. Oh, and seeing as you are pushing for the Canadian Alliance, you must be a real retard. Stockwell Day is an anti-abortionist, right-wing, seclusionist, racist politician who likes to avoid questions and panders to the lowest common denominator, even when that is most certainly not the moral high-ground. i'd rather have another five years of liberals than the canadian alliance. c-man
  • Vote for the Canadian Alliance! Give Fascism a chance! >:B
  • On the condition that ALL the money goes into helping smaller groups, non-profit arts groups, and those organisations that actually need the money.

    If it isn't, then its ludicrous. How exactly can you quantify sales that weren't made?
  • Alright, I'm not too familiar with tariffs, but what stops a savvy Canadian from simply buying their media from iBuyer.net [ibuyer.net], Pricewatch.com [pricewatch.com], or MemoryMedia [memorymedia.com]? Even if I'm wary of making purchases online, I'd rather save myself thirty or forty bucks and just order the media I need online.

    Or would this still apply to online purchases, even if the manufacturers are across the border?

    If not, I'll make this deal. Canadians, I will give you cheaper media. You give me a 3.5-gallon-per-flush toilet [herald.com].

  • Having dealt many times with Canadian customs, (I live in Canada and order stuff over the net,) CDs ordered from the states will probably often just get "lost in the mail" as soon as they reach customs. It seems that they enforce according to opinion and not fact, so they would likely unofficially make it very hard to import CDs.

    My friends and I are anime fans, and I could be paranoid, but it's funny how customs treats anime.

    I order an $80 CPU, no customs charge.

    I order a Laserdisc player, $20 charge.

    New hard drive, can't remember but the charge was small.

    I ordered $40 of tapes, $20 charge.

    A friend ordered some DragonBall Z episodes, and they were confiscated because they were "pornography." (WTF?! It's a Saturday morning cartoon!)

    He ordered some more, and they were stopped because the company he ordered from "didn't have distribution rights to DBZ in Canada."

    Basically, customs has power to do whatever it likes. If this sounds unbelievable, here are some related links:

    CBC#2 History and case study [quadrant.net]
    A history of censorship in Canada [lectlaw.com]
    Racial profiling by customs [geocities.com]

  • These people just don't learn. They were met with vigourous resistance last year when they were striving to charge 2.50 per CD-R!! The legislative board snapped them down to 5.2 cents which is much more easily swallowed. There's no way in hell I'm going to pay an extra 25$ in taxes on every 50-disc spindle that costs me only 45 already. All this napster/mp3 thing going on in the states has gone to the canadian industry's heads (if they have any).

    The classic outcome of this, is that the smart (read : the hungry) will simply purchase their cd's elsewhere and smuggle them in here. Heck, if a bunch of indians can sell contraband cigarettes at 2-3$ a pack, what's holding someone from selling contraband CD-R spindles ? Will the canadian RIAA start doing spot-checks in stores to ensure that the cd's have been properly taxed ? Yeah right!
  • Basically the record companies are slandering or libeling (IANAL) anyone who buys blank media by calling them criminals. Shouldn't we be able to fight back?
    Under the doctrine of "innocent until proven guily", shouldn't the burden be on them to prove, without violating any of my constitutionally protected rights, that I'm not using blank tape or whatever to archive my airchecks and commercial production from my radio days but instead that I'm bootlegging whatever that unlistenable stuff they're getting rich from this days is?
  • A couple copies of Debian or Red Hat?! So what!!

    Think about how much it grates to pay money to your competitors! (Unless you sell discs by the many-thousands, it's more cost effective to use CD-R media.) IIRC, the US (today) does not impose a "tax" to compensate for software piracy, but you can imagine how I will feel about paying Microsoft pennies per disc for something *I* give away for free - just because they're worried that I *could* use the same media to produce illicit copies of their bug-ridden bloatware!

    Think about the sites that use CD-R as their primary back-up media - that's typically 200 disks/year/backup system. With a $0.50/disc tax, that's $100 pissed away while you're doing nothing that comes remotely close to being illegal.
  • Why should I feel guilty about pirating music now, if artists are getting their fill? I would not that this only protects certain artists, and not the ones that need it most.

    Write your MLA and get vocal on this. I can stomach the 5.2 cents, but as we all know in Canada, once a tax gets started it takes on a life of it's own. This is sick. Oh wait, this isn't a tax.

    Make sure to mention that this "tax" assumes that anyone buying CDRs is guilty of a federal crime, and then ask the MLA if their children have PC's and if they have bought them any CDRs recently. Make sure you'd love to know in a public forum how they feel about being pirates, as they must be, because they're happily paying the pirate tax.

    You can find out who your MLA is and their email/contact information right here. A phone call or a written letter is a lot more powerful than an email; Last time I at least got a written reply back explaining why the spineless bastard was voting with the party line. [elections.ca]

    If you're sick of partisan politics, vote for the Canadian Alliance [canadianalliance.ca] next time. Their members must vote on issues as their consistuants feel; Not the party line.

  • You'll just get popped when the package clears the border and a bill in the mail.

  • I thought the recexecs already hit the rock bottom, I don't know whether I should laugh or cry!

    I think it's clear to anyone who has been following the recent developments on the music scene that we are going to bury the "industry" and finally return music to an artform.
    MPAA can sue Napster, MyMP3, Gnutella, or whatever, but that's just fighting the symptoms while ignoring the cause. We've been victims to a cartel, an extortion practice the big recording companies have unleashed upon us the consumers as well as the contemporary "artists" (have to put it under quotes because vast majority of vocal and instrumental entertainers don't deserve to be called artists).
    Once we're back to basics I foresee a rennaisance of music. People will create music as a form of expression and not because they answered an ad in a tabloid.


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  • I'm looking forward to the day when new and used auto sales are taxed at 100% of retail. After all, 2500 people a year are killed in car accidents in Canada. And people use cars as getaway vehicles. The unmitigated gall!

    And what about crowbars? I mean, not everyone uses crowbars to pry open their *own* doors. Since it's a tool that could be used for theft, we need to tax the sale of crowbars, so that the victims of B&Es can get compensation.


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  • by jyuter ( 48936 ) <jyuter@g m a i l .com> on Monday July 24, 2000 @04:03AM (#911052) Homepage Journal
    I don't get this. If you are paying a "piracy tax" then technically, wouldn't you be allowed to copy the software? I was under the assumption that the fundamental reason why piracy is illegal is becaust you are copying data without paying for it. Once you are paying for piracy, wouldn't that be like buying a right to pirate? The music companies thinks that piracy is inevitable and they just want to be reimbursed.



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