The Future of Computing 281
This link came my way a few days ago; it is titled simply Final Exam. And I warn readers that visiting it could easily suck up the next half hour of your life in unproductive thought, and quite possibly more. It was written by a science fiction writer, and the point of reading it isn't the answers, but the questions and the predicates they are founded upon. Will we see this world? Why or why not?
Wow!!! (Score:1)
I particularly like 5, 6 and 7...
Really though... how do you make people realize it isn't you?
Fantastic (Score:2)
Thank you Slashdot - I'll be making sure everyone on my mailing list gets to see this.
And personally, I will be taking some time out to think some of those points through more deeply.
What a great link.
Marc is a smart guy (Score:1)
It's not just You. (Score:1)
LK
Ouch i failed (Score:1)
Perspectives (Score:1)
-Adam
This sig goes live 11-NOV-99. Stay Tuned!
It's like "Ask Slashdot" (Score:1)
Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. (Score:3)
I'm sorry, I guess this test doesn't seem as "deep" to me.. it's main purpose is to try to make those of us who use technology feel guilty
Not the most ethical of professors... (Score:3)
Geez, I would have gone berzerk if one of my professors tried to force his views down my throat in this manner.
Not that I don't agree that new laws aren't the answer...
Re:Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. (Score:2)
Link question 11 to China Makes Linux Official OS (Score:3)
My point is this: Both question 11 on the Final Exam and the Berners-Lee story point to the capacity for the Web/Internet/Computers to be more than just tools to shop online, download porn, or even really cool things like collaborate on amazing Open Source projects like Linux itself. I say more important because, in conjuction with the (sometimes disparate) philosophies of Open Source / Free Software, we as a community have the chance to really make a difference by applying these philosophies outside not only the domain of software, but also outside the world of business itself. As both a Linux geek and a scholar of things Chinese (BA in Chinese, extensive study of PRC politics, modern and ancient history, and ancient philosophy), it is exciting to think that we just barely might be able to influence on a wide scale an authoritarian regieme through the application of thoughts and ideals that we use to write our software. Gives the phrase "World Domination" a whole new meaning, doesn't it?
So does this make any sense, or am I just rambling?
Attempt at reverse psychology? (Score:1)
Re:Is it me, or did this section just change color (Score:1)
"You want to kiss the sky? Better learn how to kneel." - U2
"It was like trying to herd cats..." - Robert A. Heinlein
More precisely (Score:2)
Ask Slashdot: Grey
Radio: Black
BSD: Red
Your Rights Online: Brown
Apache: Purple
Kinda weird if you ask me, but CmdrTaco ain't askin' me
very interesting (Score:2)
Honestly, most of the answers I came up with involve things I do not think get listed in the new "enhanced" web, but it could just be a definitions issue, what the hellis a bonding agent? arbitrage in this context I am also not clear on... agents to _prevent_ arbitrage maybe?
(arbitrage from www.m-w.com : the nearly simultaneous purchase and sale of securities or foreign exchange in different markets in order to profit from price discrepancies)
nonetheless, the examples were good, what was the "answer" to #11 "... The time has come to solve your problem in the most fundamental sense, and save the life of your daughter."?
are they talking about the web being an agent for political change (every publishing medium at some point has toppled ruthless dictators)?
Anyway, this exam gives me new respect for those liberal-arts-in-the-CS-dept classes...
-RS
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars --Oscar Wilde
Re:Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. (Score:2)
Oh well its just my thoughts.
-cpd
Actually... (Score:1)
-Adam
J. Willard Marriott Good timber does not grow with ease; the stronger the wind, the stronger the trees.
Lawmakers are looking at it the wrong way (Score:2)
How is this different from any other tech advancement? The automobile made it easier for bank robbers to flee the scene at a more rapid rate. But we did not make legislation specifically to prevent bank robbers from having cars.
Just as there are new avenues with which you may commit a crime (or a company can commit a crime against you) there are many ways in which those interested in "making a difference" can use the Internet to reach a wider audience to elicit help or support for cause x, y, and z. The concerns that one has while using the Internet should not differ from the concerns you have in the 3-d space that surrounds you. You're concerned about giving your personal information out on the web. But aren't you concerned about giving your personal information out in real life as well? Most of you are, and there's no reason why any of those concerns are different when you're on the web. The only difference is that information distributed on the internet is at risk of propagating much more rapidly. But information offline will still propagate. Junk mailers got addresses from publishers long before the proliferation of the www.
There will always be someone trying to rip you off or invade your privacy. And no technological advance will ever take away your need to protect yourself from those people.
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Re:Not the most ethical of professors... (Score:2)
a final exam like this would thrill the shit out of me...
-RS
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars --Oscar Wilde
Re:Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. (Score:1)
I think you're wrong... (Score:1)
1) Thought provoking posts don't get moderated down. (that's a compliment, by the way)
2) I think you've missed the point of that last question.
To expand a bit on 2, I'd say you're reading the author wrong. I think question 11 was SPECIFICALLY MEANT to make people think about "deep" issues, not to make them feel bad about having food (when others do not).
I firmly believe that its possible to feed everyone, and that distribution and politics are the only hinderances. Heh. "Only".
Farmers in the US get subsidies to NOT grow crops to avoid lowering the sales cost to a point where farmers couldn't make a decent living selling their goods. It doesn't always work, but that's not the point. The point is, WE CAN FEED PEOPLE. Not just our people, or their people, but EVERYONE.
Now imagine that hypothetical, food-stealing soldiers actions if he KNEW there was a web-cam or four pointed at him. Consequences are a bitch.
--Mark
Re:Not the most ethical of professors... (Score:2)
Re:Not the most ethical of professors... (Score:1)
I think too many people (yourself included) saw question #11 and assumed that was a hit on the political system of NK, not a question of what the person would do. Talk about a knee jerk response.
You failed the exam! (Score:5)
It seems to me that the answer to question 11 is that you can use the device to have Free Speech among your fellow countrymen for the first time in your entire life. You also get to tell the outside world about the soldiers who keep robbing you. You can also arrange for drop shipments of arms without the thugs being able to intercept it.
The internet can be used to aid a real world physical revolution.
Your grade for thinking that the question is supposed to make you feel guilty: F.
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Re:Not the most ethical of professors... (Score:1)
Just curious: do you define 'thought-provoking' as 'something I disagree with', or did you just decide that it was written by one of your political enemies, and therefore unworthy of consideration?
Grow up.
eek.. flashback! (Score:1)
Possible answer to the starving child question. (Score:3)
11) You live in North Korea. Three days ago the soldiers came to your tiny patch of farmland and took the few scraps of food they hadn't taken the week before. You have just boiled the last of your shoes and fed the softened leather to your 3-year-old child. She coughs, a sickly sound that cannot last much longer. Overhead you hear the drone of massive engines. You look into the sky, and thousands of tiny packages float down. You pick one up. It is made of plastic; you cannot feed it to your daughter. But the device talks to you, is solar powered, and teaches you how to use it to link to the Web. You have all the knowledge of the world at your fingertips; you can talk to thousands of others who share your desperate fate. The time has come to solve your problem in the most fundamental sense, and save the life of your daughter.
Well, in light of some of the recent stories on Slashdot, here is my answer: :P
Using the ibm patent database as an aid, think of a common sense technology (ie one click shopping, yahoo's dynamic page generation) that hasn't been patented and grab it. Make millions.
Anyway, anyone else find it funny how this "final exam" is about the future of computing but most of the questions (1-4,8-10) were about, well, mostly money and the commercialization (sp?) of the internet? Is that all the internet is good for these days? *sigh* Granted there were some privacy questions in there, but 8/11 about money?
Theoretical v. Practical (Score:2)
This is an interesting essay, however atleast half the questions posed aren't relevant to today's 'net. Number 11 simply cannot occur. Provided it did occur, there would be precious little time to spend making pleas on usenet or elsewhere. Computers are used by those who have spare time, or a job that requires it. It is not a tool like a hammer, or a pole and some fishing line. In the unlikely event you could arouse sympathy on usenet, or even across the 'net, the most you would likely accomplish is a condemnation of your country. Your daughter would still starve to death.. because any food shipments would be denied by a government that tyrannical.
That's my 30-second-or-less essay answer. It probably won't get an 'A', but atleast it'll get moderated up a point, maybe even two.
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No. 11 (Score:2)
I read it differently. (Score:4)
If he were, as you say, claiming that you're an evil person for moving technology forward, then what would his motivation be for giving this course? Why would he spend a semester teaching some college students about escrow agents and strong encryption? Clearly, he finds these technologies interesting -- but he knows that most don't consider the practical applications of that technology outside of their own lifestyles.
You shouldn't feel guilty because you use technology. But it's important to think about how your technology can be used to help people who don't lead a lifestyle identical to your own, even just as an intellectual exercise. I think that Mr. Stiegler's exam intended just the opposite -- that you should feel proud that you're helping advance a technology that some day might help that Korean woman feed her starving daughter, and that (Goddess forbid!) you might actually think about that image once or twice while coding your next GPL project.
Answer to #11 (Score:2)
Actually... (Score:2)
"However, don't be insinuating that I'm an evil person because I'm not devoting my life to helping that starving peasant in Korea and instead I'm helping to move technology forward."
Who's to say that you aren't doing both? Granted, technology and the net won't fix all of the world's problems. It does, however, have the potential to fix many of the world's problems. See where I'm going with this?
An analogy: If I work in the Chevy plant in Michigan and my specialty is building diesel vans, shold I feel guilty because I'm not helping out my local hospital in my free time? No, because the hospital uses the trucks that I build. The trucks are used as ambulances, delivery trucks, blood donation vehicles, breast cancer screening vehicles, etc. I am helping the hospital, though indirectly.
Your work to advance technology as a whole can pay dividends in indirect and unforseen ways. Hell, you might be the one who figures out a low-cost, low-power sattelite modem that is used in the machine that's dropped to that little girl's family.
Anyway, to get back on topic, these are excellent questions. I can also see two seperate ways of interpreting them: one is with the thought of `Is the internet really all it's cracked up to be', the other is `how can I think outside of the box to make the internet/technology/my toaster accomplish these tasks'. Keep these precepts in mind as you answer the questions, and I bet you will come to vastly seperate conclusions.
You missed the whole damn point (Score:2)
Paul Precod
Re:This was lame (Score:2)
Was it uninteresting because you've already dealt with these issues, or uninteresting because you don't think these issues matter?
If it was the former--that you've already thought this stuff through, then yeah, this link and story was probably wasted on you.
If it is the latter--that these issues just don't matter to you, I have a link you might like [microsoft.com]. They will help you get what you want.
The issues that this "exam" brings up are very important ones. Issues of personal security, of the ability to speak ones mind without fear of retribution, and of the ability to communicate and do business freely. It is not directed at the Cypherpunks of the world--"we" are already there, "we" are writing the code, deploying the code, and talking up the code--which includes articles like this one--bringing the Mathmatical Munitions to the Masses, and trying to explain the why's and hows in terms that they can understand.
I do have one bone to pick with the author of the exam. In the case of the Korean, I don't think a solar powered wireles portable is what they need--information is indeed a powerful tool, but it works over generations, it takes time to bring it's might to bear--like a glacier scraping clean a valley, or the wind and water gradually wearing down the rocks. What I would want would be a rain of AKs and ammunition.
That's just me though
Re:This was lame (Score:2)
(the preceeding text was tounge in cheek if you couldn't tell, and if i need to explain what i said.. sheesh)
Re:Lawmakers are looking at it the wrong way (Score:2)
Re:Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. (Score:2)
Feeling guilty about it is optional.
Admittedly, a solar-power web browser is kind'a useless in this situation.
offtopic - funky colors (Score:1)
Re:Marc is a smart guy (Score:2)
P.S. It's "Stiegler".
What the heck are you talking about? (Score:1)
The only question that even remotely links to your criticism is the last question (number 11), and the question prompts you only to devise a way to best solve your inherent problem with the power of the internet. I can see absolutely no way you could interpret this to be an attack on people who use technology.
The point of the test is that the internet, as it grows in scope, will envelop more and more of our lives. How will this change things? How can we preserve neccesary elements of accountability, authenticity, and decency while not sacrificing freedom? That is the point, and you've completely missed it.
Re:Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. (Score:3)
Did you stop to think about the "fundamental" problem this North Korean peasant faces? It is tyranny. Tyranny of the body, and more critically, tyranny of the mind. North Koreans (and people the world over) are kept ignorant of the world-context they live in, since ignorance breeds docility and quashes ambition. If you don't know that there -is- something better, you can't aspire to it, and if you can't aspire to it, you accept your lot. You accept being pushed around by men with guns. You accept having to eat bark and having to feed your child boiled shoe. You accept hopelessness and helplessness as facts of life. Your world-view narrows until you can only see the day, and the day's toil and pain. This is tyranny of the mind, and millions of people live under its oppression.
What you and I fail to appreciate daily is that we have the Tyrant-Slayer in our scabbard.
Granted, we are under no contractual obligation to make the world a better place, but whatever compassion is born of understanding is better than no compassion at all. Once you understand and see beyond your own tiny little mindscape, your own conscience will tell you what is demanded of you to give, and what is fair of you to ask in return.
Not that hard of a test (Score:2)
As for question 11, I don't know what the point of this is. If his point is "no amount of information in the world will feed a starving child", though, I have two responses:
1) Wanna bet? The first thing I'd look for information on edible plants, catching fish, trapping birds, etc. North Korea (even in the middle of a war) is not a wasteland.
2) Even if it were a wasteland, the problem is not that information won't feed a child. The problem is that the information wasn't applied early enough. Information on how to keep the soldiers out, how to prevent the child from getting sick (or even conceived), etc is all available.
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Third World online (Score:5)
It is entirely possible that is can't, and that it's hubris to think that technology can really improve the human condition [slashdot.org]; but in some instances (like the last question in the test) circumstances are so bad it would be really hard for us to make them worse. So with your indulgence, I will speculate...
What could a solar-powered, wireless, tap-proof web terminal do for that oppressed peasant in North Korea? Perhaps the first and most important thing is to help him understand that there is another way of life. People who have been beaten down all their lives come to accept it; the first step towards radical change is to understand that change is possible.
Now, while one person may be a leader and inspire change, it takes many people to make that change happen. That web terminal would let our peasant organize and coordinate not only with others in his own country, but with action groups all over the world. It would be a lot harder for the U.S. Congress to ignore the problems of the third world poor if they were talking to us, one-to-one, over the net.
Our peasant needs to make the most of his meager resources. How can I build a warmer, drier hut? How can I dig a better well? How can I irrigate my fields? How can I take care of my sick kids when there's no doctor in a hundred miles? There might not be a lot of web pages dedicated to these topics now, but if the "third world" gets online you can bet they'll be tops.
Finally, what happens when the time comes for direct action? Whether you need the writings of Martin Luther King and Mohandas Gandhi, or plans for building bombs and blowing up government facilities, the web has it.
Re:very interesting (Score:1)
I am assuming that in this context a bonding agent would be an agent (either software or human) to which two parties could go to in order to set up performance/security bonds.
This could be anything from an instance where, for instance, you wanted [x] done, and I (fully anonymously) offered to do the work. You don't know me, I don't (or might not) know you. I don't want to reveal my identity, but I want to ensure I get paid. You want to ensure that the work gets done. I take out a "performance bond", you take out a "payment bond". In this case, it's similar to an escrow agent, but a bonding agent would be a more general case of escrow agent.
I don't know enough about arbitrage to answer that question--take the course?
Re:Theoretical v. Practical (Score:1)
Well, in the hypothetical scenario of question 11, the government was unable to deny a shipment of computers. I guess the SAM network got cracked. ;-) The next shipment of food (or arms!) can be arranged more carefully (thanks to crypto) so that it is even less likely to be intercepted.
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Re:It's not just You. (Score:1)
Strange though, that nothing is listed in the FAQ about this.
Will we be able to choose our own colours in the future (kinda like My Netscape)?
Maybee they should have a poll about this.
It's Funny, Laugh. (Score:1)
Name: _Coward, Anonymous_
Question #11 - Answer:
Step One - Do a Google search for Beowulf-HOWTO.
Step Two - Make a big freakin' Beowulf cluster out of the air-dropped computers!
Step Three - Now you're such a d00d that the army will bring food to you!
(Actually, the questions are interesting. #11 challenges us to define how universal communication can catalize mass cultural change. Hmmmm.)
Gack! (Score:1)
Chuck
Re:More precisely (Score:1)
Consciousness is not what it thinks it is
Thought exists only as an abstraction
Strategies for getting moderated up (Score:1)
But I'll probably get moderated down for saying that.
Re:Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. (Score:1)
I invite you to decide how you're going to better your world, and get on with it. Remember, we all share the world, we each have different roles we are able to play, and none of us has the individual capacity to solve all the problems we know about.
The people who go out to voluntarily feed the poor and hungry are angels. But they are not the only angels. The systems which cause misery in this world are complex, and so are the solutions.
We don't know what they are. But we have gut feelings, and minds to make sense of them.
Educate yourself, and with your best knowledge, do what seems like the right thing to you.
The web can help in your learning. It can help North Korean soldiers in their learning too.
Re:Not the most ethical of professors... (Score:2)
The questions themselves assume that use of certain of those "advanced features" can solve the problems.
Several are of the form: you want to break the law, how do you do it? Or: some bad information hurt you somehow and you want to get back at the people who spread it (or at least stop them from spreading it), how do you do it?
Some of them, to me at least, demand legal action (ex. false advertising killed your aunt; both criminal charges and civil suits would be appropriate). Others can be answered with "you'd be breaking the law, don't do that." However, these kinds of answers are clearly not allowed, as the form of the question demands a technological solution.
The fact that you aren't allowed to suggest laws to pass (or suggest removing the laws that are the obstacles) means that to obey the form of the exam (clearly the only way to pass) you must do your utmost to support his view that laws are the wrong way to deal with these problems.
Are all these features genuinely doable? (Score:2)
Unforgeable pseudonymous identities
Yes, but it will require a global standard in public/private key systems. This standard must be as stable and as universally and unquestioningly accepted as TCP/IP. It must also be backed by laws specifying the nature of the standard and describing the legal rights and responsibilities of using encrypted keys.
In a decade, maybe. The 'Net moves fast, but people don't. There's nothing technologically unfeasable about it, but it will require some changes in public attitudes.
Bidirectional, typed, filterable links
Bidirectional - yes. Should have done it years ago.
Typed - sometimes, and not very reliably. Who does the typing?
Filtered - probably not. Who gets to act as censor?
Arbitrage agents
Technologically, it can probably be made to work. Like key systems, it will take some time to do. A standard for publishing commercial information so that agents can read it is necessary. All agents must use it, and it must become so important to vendors that agents be able to read their information that they would never refuse to use the standard. This can happen - but not yet. Ten years, maybe. As much as 20 if interest in the 'Net drops off.
It's not in any vendor's best interests to help customers comparison shop. This will make it hard to implement.
Bonding agents
Escrow agents
I'm not sure what these mean. Bond has several definitions, and I don't know which one applies. I know what escrow means, but I don't know what it means in this context.
Digital cash
We have it now. With all the time and money pouring into it, it'll be pretty standard soon enough.
Capability Based Security with Strong Encryption
I know what this means, but I'm not sure how it applies either.
I would be interested to see some of the answers students have given to these questions. I'm something of a net skeptic.
I'm not sure there's any obvious solution to #1.
The answer to #2 should be to call the police.
There are a number of answers to #3 - politcal science describes several methods of evaluating the reputation of an unknown agent, but most of the practical ones have been in use since before the web.
#4 is unlikely to ever have an effective technological solution, but may become cause for calling the police someday.
#5 - so what?
#6 - Your government probably isn't reading your e-mail. If it is, your inability to share dirty jokes is the least of your problems.
#7 - public/private key encryption with a protocol for challenging an identity could work for this one.
#8 - There are technological solutions, but I will bet none of them will ever be implemented.
#9 - Call a lawyer. That's what they're there for.
#10 - Sue until dead. No new technology necessary. The ability to unimpeachably establish identites using encryption might help. But speak softly and retain expensive lawyers.
#11 - I'm not sure how much he 'Net has to offer to politics - even in totalitarian states - that TV, phones and faxes don't. The 'Net does makes it a little easier to distribute samizdat, but it also makes it easier to spread propaganda. Furthermore, modern media can make it awfully hard to distinguish the two. The government of every state with free media is sooner or later compelled to lie to it - closed countries can at least keep silent. In North Korea, most people know they are being lied to, even if they don't know the truth. In America, many people suspect they are being lied to, but go on and believe what they hear anyway. The 'Net changes little in that respect.
#11 (Score:1)
1. Establish your security and encription
2. amass great amounts of digital cash and using the UPI, stash the cash with the escrow agent.
3. Arrange for groceries to be air-dropped from netgrocers.com - payment via the escrow agent.
4. Ditto homedepot.com
5. ditto gunzrus.com - just in case the soldiers come back
6. work with the arbitrage agent to invest your cyber cash
7. Maybe get some drugs and meds from RX.com?
Are the answers mutually exclusive? (Score:3)
For example, how can you be accountable for your lies about a product, but at the same time anonymous enough to speak out against a totalitarian regime? One requires untraceability, one requires traceability.
I suspect you could answer each question pretty well, but that your answers would be mutually exclusive. How interesting.
Bill Kilgallon
Some observations (Score:3)
1. Look at the list of enhanced capabilities that were listed.
Unforgeable pseudonymous identities
Bidirectional, typed, filterable links
Arbitrage agents
Bonding agents
Escrow agents
Digital Cash
Capability Based Security w/ S. Encryption
Looking at thie list, you should realize that all of these capabilities, save the last, depand on the first. Without unforgeable identities you can't really perform any kind of commerce. Even more important is the realization that an unforgeable identity is itself dependent on encryption.
Let me repeat that - all higher level models of information exchange are fundamentally based on only _two_ cryptographic primitives, encryption and hashing. In the "Ask Slashdot" interview with Bruce Schneier, Bruce said,
This is why encryption is important and it's what encryption is really all about. As a community we should support strong crypto not because it will let us send privete naughty email, but because it is the foundation out of which is constructed digital cash, digital signatures, trusted arbitrage, and a host of other useful goodies.
2. Despite it's Katz-esque nature, question #11 is really rather profound. For the sake of argument let's remove the specificity and replace North Korea with "Oppressive Bastards", or OB for short.
My initial reaction to the question was "Why drop net appliances on these poor people? Send some food instead for the love of (insert deity here)." But then I thought hey, if you dropped them food they would eat, become hungry again, and you are right back where they started. Hmm, maybe air-dropping massive amounts of information is the right way to go. After all, to defeat the Oppressive Bastards you don't really need food or weapons, you need a collective will and the ability to organize. Both of these things can be done with the net, and you need _none_ of the advanced features listed at the start of the exam.
Profound, eh?
-Shane
Oh yeah, it probably wouldn't hurt to also send along Bobby Shaftoe to display some adaptability.
Re:Ouch i failed (Score:2)
He gave you the answers to those questions.
Warez manufacturers can be beaten with Unforgeable pseudonymous identities and Capability Based Security with Strong Encryption--in fact a lot of things (virii etc) can be dealt with with the latter.
Spammers can automatically be dealt with by strong filtering measuers (create a set of filters for everyone you already talk to, put (in your signature and on your web site etc.) a specific word or subject that will filter to a specific file/directory all *new* people you wish to talk to. Occasionally go through your unfiltered mail looking for people who missed that information. Simple.
Goverment can't solve the problems--it can't move fast enough--and when it does move fast enough, it often misses badly.
Re:This was lame (Score:2)
That's just me though
I'd want the AKs *and* the boxes. Have the firepower and the coordination with my neighbors.
Re:Possible answer to the starving child question. (Score:3)
Even granting your ratio -- a couple of those were only peripherally "about money" -- I think it's a sign that there's some realism behind the questions. A lot of issues are about money, even if it's in terms of "How do we support things like peace and justice and freedom when so many people are willing to sell chunks of those things away (especially other folks' peace and justice and freedom) for some ready cash?"
An excess of white mc guilt? (Score:2)
I don't think we read that question the same way at all. The exam seemed to me to be worded in a way that indicated the prof. thought these devices would help.
Consider:
Sure, it's an open question if any of these things will actually help, but there is certainly the possibility that they might. Is there an underground you can communicate with? Is there a sympathetic doctor in the area? Is the army interested in looking like an ass in front of the world? If thousands of communication devices are being dropped, it's possible that a food drop will follow. Now you can at leat find out about it.
Consider the importance the fax machine has had in anti-government actions (think China, latter-day Soviet Union).
Can you immediately feed your daughter a bunch of silicon chips? No. It's a tool that gives you an advantage you didn't have. It may not solve your problem and save your daughter's life, but if it was me, I wouldn't chuck the thing.
I don't think this was about the uselessness of communications technology at all.
Question #11 (Score:3)
I think most people are missing the point with question #11. Giving poor, oppressed people access to the Internet isn't going to help them much.
What is going to help them is the ability to communicate securely and anonymously. The point isn't to contact the outside world for help, it's to organize a revolution.
Re:Third World online (Score:2)
Woody Guthrie used to have this slogan written on his guitar: "This Machine Kills Fascists". Music has always been a strong tool for communication, for organizing and inspiring people. The escaped slave knew to "Follow the Drinking Gourd" north to freedom. The civil rights marchers chanted "We Shall Overcome". Soldiers sing their battle hymns and their marching cadences.
If we - the developers of technology - do our job, I think that slogan could well be written on computers.
It's up to you and me. Do you want to build machines that kill fascism, or do you want to build Big Brother?
Re:Not that hard of a test (Score:2)
Re:More precisely (Score:2)
The *Future* of Computing... (Score:2)
The course was called the Future of Computing. The point is to consider the effects of 'what is' now, on 'what may eventually be'.
I don't think the point of any of the questions was practical applications. I think they were supposed to be theoretical... the questions were intended to make the students THINK. I got the impression that the course was intended to teach the students to think about causes and effects. They were supposed to learn about thinking, not learn about how to do a specific task. The point is that in the future, and now, they will be prepared to think about how to address problems and create solutions. That will be the practical skill... knowing how to think.
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John Brunner (Score:2)
Besides, Brunner is one of those authors, like Stephenson, who appeals greatly to the hacker in me. Brunner was predicting the internet in the mid Sixties. And a nomadic American populace, moving from job to job amazingly frequently. (The Shockwave Rider). Brunner was, in my opinion, more visionary than any other science fiction author, especially in the wisdom of his predictions.
Outside the box, DAMMIT! (Score:3)
"however atleast half the questions posed aren't relevant to today's 'net."
Ummm, one of the postulates of the exam is the 'net of the future.
"Provided it did occur, there would be precious little time to spend making pleas on usenet or elsewhere."
Ok. Let's think about this for a minute. Anyone dropping shiny boxes that talk and allow you to connect to the internet would (logically) be dropped by someone sympathetic to your plight. How hard would it be to make your home site the default homepage of the box? How tough would it be to build a GPS into the box? How about 512 bit encryption?
Here's my take on the scenario:
"The time has come to solve your problem in the most fundamental sense, and save the life of your daughter." So, you read the instructions (in Korean) and fire up the box. You are immediately connected via ssl to the homepage for Free Korea(tm). They ask for your first name and if you are in any danger. You reply (speaking, of course, since you are illiterate) that your daughter is sick and that your family is starving. This is translated via voice recognition software into plain text (Uniocode), encrypted, and sent along with your exact coordinates (remember the GPS?) to Free Korea's site. The data is correlated, flight plans are made, and the next day another aircraft flys over. This time, it drops c-rats (icky, but they will get you by), medicine for your daughter, and instructions to call back in ASAP. So you eat the first real food you've had in days and your daughter's coughing lessens enough for her to sleep. When you call back in, you are told that you will have to move someplace and to start packing.
Meanwhile, back at Free Korea, your plight has been posted to the homepage in several languages along with stories from hundreds or thousands of other people. Free Korea, working with the G7 nations, have been putting pressure on North Korea to improve it's human rights practices; now they have hard evidence.
So you wake up the next morning to the sound of the aircraft again and eagerly check the package left in it's wake. This time, it's maps of the area (topo and symbol), water purification tablets, more food, more medicine, instructions, and something even more important: hope. You learn that millions of people are aware of your situation and that the superpowers are working to help you (gee, I didn't know they cared
I'll stop now, but that's the point of the excercize. I believe you failed for failing to read the directions...
" It probably won't get an 'A', but atleast it'll get moderated up a point, maybe even two."
That's not very funny.
What part of... (Score:2)
If he asked about the ethics of the actions, or how the use of these "advanced features" could affect society it might have been an interesting exam.
BTW, don't be so hopelessly naive. People go to university to get a piece of paper that makes corporations believe they know something. It is a required first step onto the corporate ladder, and few people would go to university if degrees were not required (in many cases by law!) for most decent jobs. Learning to think critically and to learn are things you do on your own; IMHO, most technical people picked these things up before high school and take them for granted, while people who choose to take these flakey courses have no grasp of such things and only come to think they have them when they've learned to regurgitate the products of more fertile minds.
Re:wow. WOW. (Score:2)
Massive insurrection and violence in North Korea, followed by the emergence of a strong dictator, followed (after good-intentioned meddling from the West) by some cobbled-together, easily-botched democracy like any other developing nation. Years of brittle peace, the occasional coup, and struggling economies follow.
Beats the hell out what's currently going on in North Korea, tho.
And the little girl is probably toast, unless (duh) you feed her your own flesh and blood. You're probably not in the greatest of shapes yourself, but if she's dying, and you're still conscious and ambulatory, you could probably cut off a chunk of thigh or something. I mean, food is food. Not a lot of carbos in meat, but better than shoe leather, and it might keep her going until (facetious) WebVan [webvan.com] shows up with the delivery, or (serious) an airlift of food shows up.
D'oh! Also forgot to mention that people in touch with portable secure communication thingees can effective pool food resources, hide them from soldiers (although the poor bastards are probably starving themselves, if they want to take it away from you they shouldn't have any), and distribute fairly. As has been mentioned before in this thread, famines are almost always distribution, rather than production, fuckups. Korea's nice farming land -- no reason other than horrifying mismanagement by the incredibly cretinous NK gov for the current terrible sitch.
gomi
Directly from a book (Score:2)
I have to assume that the author of the exam meant the book to be referenced, since it is linked from the main page of that site
http://www.skyhunter.com/
-Mitch
Re:Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. (Score:2)
Now, so I don't get hit for being off-topic:
b) Well, of course you are an evil person. You ARE living a life of luxury while other people are starving. You are spending money for entertainment that another would need to save their childrens lives.
If you do not agree with this, I would say you have probably never lived in a third world country. Living among the starving, if secluded in a community of fellow evil rich people, permenantly jaded me from EVER thinking that I am not evil.
Yes of course, your money and time is probably doing them bigger favours if you spend it on what you are really good at until you can really help, rather than if you just slave away so you can send them your minimum wage. But are you truely devoting your life towards this goal? Are you sure you don't waist some money and time sometimes? Go out drinking? See a movie? Have a night on the town?
Can you honestly claim that you deserve such things while others are starving and than argue that you are not evil? I know I can't. I'm evil. I have walked over mothers with malnourished children, ignored hungry street-kids tugging at my shirt, and had employees who could hardly feed their families wait outside while I spent their monthly salary in a bar. I am the scum of the earth: and so are you, even if you do not live where you have to see what you are doing.
c) I think you misunderstood the question. It was slightly populistic, but there was more to it then just an accusation. While a little food can feed you for a day: freedom can feed for you for a lifetime.
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We cannot reason ourselves out of our basic irrationality. All we can do is learn the art of being irrational in a reasonable way.
Quick answers. (Score:2)
First rule of the net. Never trust the word of any single unknown person. Do place some trust in the majority of several dozen opinions under the (usually correct) assumption that most people are not (a) loons or (b) marketroids for the product you're asking about.
2) A product you buy based on a rave review opens your email address book, grabs your entire list of friends, sends itself to them, and sends your password files to a mysterious IP address. It's too late now, but which features would you install before ever touching your computer again?
If you followed the answer to (1), you probably would not have been bitten. Also, never be the first to install any software (or version X.0 of anything). Plenty of others will happily volunteer themselves as guinea pigs and scream loudly if things run amok.
3) A product is advertised on the Web. It sounds good, but the offerer has no Web reputation. What arrangement would you consider adequate to go ahead and procure the product (Note: there are several possible answers; give 2 entirely separate solutions, and that is considered answering 2 questions).
It's the same question massaged over a bit. See (1) and (2) above.
4) You start receiving thousands of emails from organizations you don't know, all hawking their wares. You want it to stop, just stop!
Just have procmail route it to /dev/null or bounce it back to the sender. If you have no control over incoming mail, you're using the wrong ISP. Even better, set up your own domain on your own box on a DSL/cablemodem and stuff like this becomes ever so easy to deal with. Never tell spammers to stop spamming you. That just tells them your address is valid and read by a person which results in more spam.
5) You wish to play poker with your friends. They live in Tampa Florida, you live in Kingman. This is illegal in the nation where you happen to be a citizen. You want to do it anyway.
Look at the intent of the law. Gov't is worried about internet casinos and big $$$. Not you and a couple of buddies. You're not worth the effort, manpower, and $$$ to prosecute. Have a blast.
6) You hear a joke that someone, somewhere, would probably find offensive. You wish to tell your precocious 17-year-old daughter, who is a student at Yale. The Common Decency Act Version 2 has just passed; it is a $100,000 offense to send such material electronically to a minor. You want to send it anyway--it is a very funny joke.
Again, look at intent. CDA was built as a tool to stop the XXX hardcore pr0n sites and to catch the pedo-kiddie trollers on the 'net. Who's going to be upset and complain? Sender or recipient? Neither, right? Send the mail.
7) Someone claiming to be you starts roaming the Web making wild claims. You want to make sure people know it isn't really you.
This one is a bit harder to solve without some cooperation by others. (A) Complain to their abuse dept at the forger's site. Failing that (maybe he is his own domain), go one ISP level up. Repeat until solved or you get to the point where they say "we don't care". (B) Ignore him. He probably gets off upsetting you and laughs as you frantically chase his every newspost or whatever to discredit him. Ignore him and he'll get bored and move on to his next inane diversion. besides, who are you worrying about him confusing? Smart net people can easily recognize forgeries. They'll know it's not you.
8) You have brought out a remarkable new product. There is a competing product making claims you know are false. You want to make sure anyone going to their site finds out your product is better.
Others will solve your problem for you as in my answers to (1) and (2) above. Since you would be speaking from a position of self-bias, you cannot meaningfully join them in getting the truth out.
9) Your elderly aunt sees a drug advertised on the Web that promises relief from arthritis. She dies shortly after starting to take the drug. You think the drug, and the company that made it, is at fault. Meanwhile the company is sure they didn't have anything to do with it. You want justice.
Never buy version X.0 of software applies to drugs too. You should've made your aunt more suspicious of words from the net as in my answers to (1) and (2) above. Since it's now too late, you're stuck with your own doctor's autopsy findings and the legal system which may or may not help depending on where the 'net drug company is located. Good luck.
10) You are the CEO of Bloomberg News, one of the most prestigious (and expensive) stock information services in the world. An article circulates on the Web, based on a mock-up of the Bloomberg News information page, claiming that PairGain Corp. will be acquired by ECI Telecom. PairGain stock rises 32% in 8 hours. Investigators later find that the false report was created by a PairGain employee about to cash in his options. You want to ensure that your brand is never used like this again.
Put the facts up on your own home page right at the top. Reputable news media will check any circulating rumor with the source as will sane investors with their hard earned dollars. Loons buying based on rumor will weed themselves out of society soon enough.
11) You live in North Korea. Three days ago the soldiers came to your tiny patch of farmland and took the few scraps of food they hadn't taken the week before. You have just boiled the last of your shoes and fed the softened leather to your 3-year-old child. She coughs, a sickly sound that cannot last much longer. Overhead you hear the drone of massive engines. You look into the sky, and thousands of tiny packages float down. You pick one up. It is made of plastic; you cannot feed it to your daughter. But the device talks to you, is solar powered, and teaches you how to use it to link to the Web. You have all the knowledge of the world at your fingertips; you can talk to thousands of others who share your desperate fate. The time has come to solve your problem in the most fundamental sense, and save the life of your daughter.
This is not a question. But assuming you meant to ask, "What should you, as the North Korean person Do?", the answer is simple. Toss the gizmo aside and focus on what's important: taking care of your daughter. She comes first. Tell stories of your plight (this is what what the question implies the device should be used for, right?) only when there's time.
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OK, maybe that wasn't so quick.
A much better final exam: (Score:2)
The consideration, here, is to see how perfectly implemented encryption technology can help better a society. This is clearly the point. I have to say I always took a dislike to exams which tried to coerce you to the teacher's side. I think it's obvious from the nature of the test that this man believes technology will defend human rights in the future.
But...
What this theoretical approach ignores is that technology's impact is always moderated by its inherent failures. A technology is never perfect, and you have to examine its potential failures as well to fully understand its impact in the future.
A much better final exam would be:
"The wages of sin is death but so is the salary of virtue, and at least the evil get to go home early on Fridays."
Arbitrage Agents? (Score:2)
Is the professor using some definition of the term I'm not aware of (and apparently few outside the class are too)?
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Re:Actually... (Score:2)
(I'm on two karate mailing lists, and the net has helped my training a lot. I just had a godan (fifth-degree black belt) fellow from South Africa, who I'd never met except over the net, stay at my place and teach at my dojo over the weekend. He's touring the Americas and keeping in touch with everyone - the folks at home and his hosts here - via e-mail.)
Re:Actually... (Score:2)
"You have to do the research because you enjoy it--if you focus on the possible altruistic possibilities you set yourself up to be crushed by the petty and self-serving uses it will actually be put to."
Hrmmm...or not. Look at medicine. Just about any medicine can be used to hurt, maim, or kill, just as it can be used to kill. Do understand that I'm not trying to compare what we do with technology with what a medical researcher would do; however, I feel that if I'm focused on a problem, then trying to be the objective researcer brings me no closer to my goal.
I guess my point is that, pure objectivity notwithstanding, unless you have an underlying goal or purpose, the research that you do, though meaningfull, may not be as satisfying as it could be. If I'm doing research into encryption, I will be thinking about possible and probible uses/issues that revolve around individual privacy. I will not be thinking about political uses, nor will I be entirely objective.
Just my $0.02 US
Re:Third World online (Score:3)
One way of looking at the question (and there are several (damn that's a good question)) is as a cautionary tale. The moral being something like, "sometimes technology isn't enough".
Now, in a less dire situation, as you point out, a solar-powered webpad might be more useful. In question 11, as stated, it's useless.
I can't believe it... (Score:2)
As I said, all the world's knowledge is at your fingertips. Not only that, but it's at the fingertips of everyone else in your situation, and you can communicate with all of them. The free exchange if information is the key to a popular uprising which would finally throw off the oppression mentioned earlier in the question.
That test wasn't about helping others with technology. It was about showing that in the end, the key to justice is knowledge and the free exchange thereof. In the end, if you carry the question further, those devices would make a revolution possible, but the people would be the ones to carry it out. No foreign troops necessary.
You don't get it. The question wasn't meant to make people feel guilty because they had technology. It's about showing them the greatest possible use of that technology: justice.
Answers, answers, answers (Score:2)
What I wanna know is - why do most of my answers for questions #1-10 generally point back to my answer to #1, with or without the added technologies mentioned in the exam? That, for me, (aside from the fact that most of the technologies mentioned already exist, but just aren't widely-deployed due to the clue barrier required) is the interesting thing about the quiz.
1) Post your warning to things that get archived. State your claim. Invite debate on the issue. The truth will come out in either the debate or in the bogus reviewer's lack of willingness to debate.
Canonical historical example: Co$ vs. The Net and similar memetic wars.
2) I'd deinstall my network connection :) Seriously - a packet-sniffer and a logger, so that when I got reamed by the next piece of Real^H^H^H^HTrojanNetworkSoftware, I'd have the proof and could fight back with the mechanism outlined in #1).
3a) Search publicly-available archives to see what other people thought about the offerer. Gauge relative clue of proponents vs. opponents on quality of their writing and argument, and watch out for astroturf campaigns. See #1.
3b) If I really want it, go with a trustworthy (see 3a for defintion of "trustworthy") bonding or escrow agent. Interestingly, this is the only answer of mine so far that "requires" any of the new technologies described in the premises to the Final Exam.
4) Story of my life. The unforgeable pseudonymous identities aren't needed, but simply make killing the spammers easier. MAPS, RBL, woo-hoo! Though I would like a law banning all unsolicited commercial email and allowing a private right of action in a dollar amount that would allow me to make a tidy sum off the spam campaign described in the exam.
5) Play anyway over a secure link if I trust and have verified that the people with whom I'm playing are who they say they are and aren't working in an entrapment scheme. The odds of them working in an entrapment scheme for a game of poker are pretty slim, so I'd likely play.
6) Wouldn't send it. If it appears on a screen, and someone's looking at the screen with my daughter, I'm out $100K. CDA-like acts chill free speech, and just like video and audio, the decrypted joke has to be displayed in a form viewable by humans at some point or another. (Unlike my poker game, the odds of there being someone politically-correct and uptight enough to charge me are pretty high at a university.)
7) Second answer where unforgeable pseudonymous identities would make life easier. Nail 'em to the wall credibility-wise using the answer to question #1. Note that it's still pretty hard for an opponent to pull this off on today's 'net, even in the absence of unforgeable pseudonymous identities. Your NNTP-Posting-Host or other IP-related info, if you're coming from a dialup port or cable modem, are pretty hard to credibly forge unless your enemy happens to live in the same geographical area as you do.
8) You can't. Deal with it and employ the techniques of #1 so that users using the techniques of #3 can get to the truth.
9) You can't, unless you have the money to buy a landshark. The techniques of #1 may help with a little payback in PR losses for the company, but if you wanna blow 'em outa the water, you still need a lawyer to sue 'em for negligence.
10) You can't. And #1 won't work either. Lusers will be stupid and not check URLs. Why do you think AOL password-phishers continue to con lusers into thinking that "AOL's billing department" needs their passwords and uses a hotmail.com address? You can, however, as CEO of Bloomberg, afford sufficient lawyermass to dust off and nuke the offenders from orbit. Do so, and mount their heads on pikes, pour encourager les autres.
11a) Collect as many of the subversive devices as possible, smash them, and haul the carcasses in to your local political officer in exchange for food bounties. Feed daughter with proceeds.
11b) Wait a few more years for your government to collapse. Unlike East Germany's government, which collapsed due to the close proximity of "people who had enough food that they envied the people with Levi's Jeans and Sony Walkmans", North Korea's government is collapsing without any help from the West.
If there's not enough food for you and your family, eventually enough of your countrymen will die that the population will drop to the point where the survivors can eat. IF the North Korean leadership survives the depopulation phase, it'll take another 5-10 years between the end of the famine and the time when the people can keep an unsmashed device or two well-hidden and start envying the Walkman-wielding folks elsewhere, leading to an East-German-style final collapse of the government.
Unfortunately, unless you also did 11a) to keep you fed in the interim, your daughter will still be dead. And perhaps you too.
Until you can FTP food or learn to code, write, or play music while starving to death, you won't be able to trade anything in exchange for food drops, and even if you could, the food drops will be detectable and you'll likely be shot for receiving them.
There will always be problems that cannot be solved solely in cyberspace, a fact which is, IMNSHO, profoundly worth knowing.
(My only beef is, as I suspect many slashdotters would agree, that most of us already know this. I'd love to see a followup showing how the students of this class answered these questions, particularly #11. Did they "get it" over the duration of the course, or not?)
Cool. (Score:2)
Re:Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. (Score:2)
I liked most of the questions, except for the last one. I get the point behind the question, I just think a better example could have been used...
As I read the question all I could think of was this:
1) for the cost to develop and build each of those boxes, how much FOOD could have been air dropped in its place?
2) So the soldiers come in, beat you senseless, take your food, and yet leave you with a capability to connect to the internet? Unless the magic little box is truely wireless with its own nuclear battery, and web server you're outta luck. And wouldn't it just suck if the oppresive goverment could track its broadcasts?
Look, I'm a practical person. The situation described in the question is highly impractical.
Could someone please come up with a better way of phrasing the question?
Maybe something like, "once again you see soldiers beating up the guy accross the street from you and taking his food... You have the ability to connect the web, how can you get the word out? (Bonus: do so without the opressive dictatorship deciding to beat you senseless too)" Same point, more believeable situation.
In the mean time go to The Hunger Site [thehungersite.com] where by using the power of the current web, you can get food donated to starving kids around the world.
"You want to kiss the sky? Better learn how to kneel." - U2
"It was like trying to herd cats..." - Robert A. Heinlein
Re:The *Future* of Computing... (Score:2)
Wow, I wish I could have used that as an excuse not to answer exam essays; Since you are unable to provide me with ratio of probablitity for these essay questions happening with the likelyhood of where the world will be in an unspecified amount of time n, I must respectfully decine to answer them.
"Question 11 is particularily hard to determine
because it assumes that an unnamed aircraft would be flying over a militaristic regime dropping computers. For what reason? Why would somebody do this, as opposed to dropping food? It's completely illogical!"
Since when has logic played a key role in what happens in this world?
"As such, I can't even begin to tell you the probability of such a thing happening - I can only tell you it never has happened before."
Ok, one more time...THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION!
"The probability of him successfully guessing anywhere even near where it really will be is remote.. "
Number one, he doesn't have to guess acurately. This isn't the freakin' stock market. Number two, he is giving you a question to answer. Are you trying to say that unless someone can accurately predict the future they will not receive an answer to their question from you? If not, then please correct me. If so, then I think you've had enogh crack for one day.
"As for myself - I have more useful things to do than go on vision quests."
To which I say, Imagination is more important than intelligence -- Albert Einstien. There is someone who uses your vaunted scientific method, yet still has the capacity to say, `What if?'. That's the entore point of this exercize. What if?
Re:nonsense (Score:2)
So what you are saying is that you are not evil for watching people starve while you live in luxury, because you made the great sacrifice of not getting to fuck some hot college girls?
I feel so sorry for you. I never said that sending all your money was the best thing do to (actually, I said that it wasn't) but that doesn't change the fact that neither of us is doing all we can to save these people. Every second and every cent that we spend indulging ourselves (be it on fucking hot college babes or otherwise) is murder. Plain and simple.
I don't judge you for it, after all I'm every bit as bad: but don't tell me we are not evil.
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We cannot reason ourselves out of our basic irrationality. All we can do is learn the art of being irrational in a reasonable way.
Re:Third World online (Score:3)
It's the old saw about give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach him to fish and he eats for a lifetime.
Re:Quick answers. (Score:2)
In the 1700's, it was the opnion of experts that bleeding you dry (of blood) was a good way to cure what ails you. Regardless of what ailed you.
The correct answer to prevent this problem would have been either a bonding agent (performance bond) or an escrow agent and Digital Cash
After the fact you use that Unforgable pseudonymous identity and Capability Based blah blah to publically announce your dissatisfaction with their product.
Again, Capibility based Security. Someone has to be the first, and with proper security (far beyond what is in either NT or Unix) it doesn't matter.
No, it's a different question--go back and reread the instructions.
In this case there are at least 2 different ways of doing things--both (of course) using digital cash. Either use a bonging agent for a performance bond, or a mix of Escrow agents with Capability Based Security.
Of course it's easy to deal with, the QUESTION was what technology--HOWto deal with it. WHICH of the listed technologies would be best used to handle it.
Which does procmail fit in?
None--not as it is today.
The answer--within the provided framework--is a mix of Capability Based Security and Bidirectional, typed....
It's obvious you can read, it's also obvious you either don't bother or can't comprehend what you just read. Read it again, especially the part about:
you live in Kingman. This is illegal in the nation where you happen to be a citizen.
Maybe where "you" lives (the country of kingman) the prohibition against gambling isn't revenue based, but rather that the Great God Of Us All has decreed that Thou Shalt Not Gamble, and the Government has set up monitors (software agents) to look for such behavior.
Now how do you get around it?
Digital Currency and Unforgeablepseudononymous identities
Who's going to complain? Your daughters roommate, using her computer for a paper reads the email. The System Administrator of your daughters mail server, required by law to troll for CDA violations. The NSA when Echelon picks up your email, and they want an excuse to pressure you into revealing some information or spying on somone one.
Strong encryption solves this problem.
This is the easiest of all to solve--the tools already exist, and are already deployed. PGP.
This is the "Unforgeable pseudonymous identity bit.
The rest of your suggestions:
Assume that there is a site you can complain to. What if the "forger" is using the remailer network so there is no site for you to complain to? What if this person is making claims that could come back to haunt you (aka comments in alt.nambla or some such)?
8, 9, and 10 can all be solved using a combination of arbitrage agents (for stock), escrow agents and bonding agents--the point of the test was to think in terms of existing/new technologies, not in terms of using authority and The Man to sort things out.
As for 11, if you toss the device aside, both of you (you and your daughter) are dead. If you *use* the device to call for help, to "expose" what is happening to you, then you might get help (especially if you can use some of the other technologies on the list). Your daughter still might die, but you might be able to keep someone elses daugher from doing so.
Why I thought it was lame (Score:2)
If a competitor makes false claims you can sue them for false advertising and take out ads of your own. Why would bidirectional, typed filterable links be preferable to that? Your elderly aunts dies; you file a product liability suit. Why would someone want a web version? Someone dilutes your trademark; you sue them to discourage others from doing the same. Why would digital fingerprinting be preferable? People are starving in North Korea. Why is sending them a computer better than sending them necessary farm implements?
It's not just why one may or may not be better but why would he think that anyone would pick his high-tech ways?
Those are far more interesting questions, in my mind.
First off, his questions clearly show his Pollyanaish side. Instead of asking "I want to play poker with my friends but poker is illegal here" why not ask "I want to exchange child porn but it is illegal here"? Or perhaps, "My grandmother died and happened to be taking medicine at the same time. I don't think they had anything to do with one another but I want to cash in on it and get some quick money from the manufacturer." Or how about, "I want to lie about my product's capabilities and I want anyone who goes to my competitor's web site to know that my product is so much better and cheaper than theirs." The same technology can and will be used for both so why not admit it and move out of the Star Trek fantasy that it will only be used by the Good Guys for Good Reasons (tm)? The interaction between the possible uses would also be a more interesting question, IMHO.
The questions he asks are kinda stupid because they invite either
a) rote replies of "good answers" or
b) amateurish "bad answers"
Look at the net poker thing. How many people are going to just happen to know how to implement a crypto-system that not only guarantees your anonymity but the validity of the deal, lack of cheating, and enforcement of bets and debts?
All you are doing is making people think that these are easily answered questions -- something you can answer five of in an hour. And then we wonder why so many crypto-systems are designed by amateurs and are so easy to break. It invites answers like, "oh you just have the agents sort it out" hiding non-trivial implementation problems.
We already have lots of great thinkers in the world. The problem is that very few of them can actually practically implement their grand schemes.
I don't want a three paragraph answer that isn't telling me how to avoid laws I don't agree with. I want solutions in the real world and the people who can solve them. Not a bunch of sound bite buzz word compliant "great thinkers".
Re:You failed the exam! (Score:2)
It seems to me that the answer to question 11 is that you can use the device to have Free Speech among your fellow countrymen for the first time in your entire life. You also get to tell the outside world about the soldiers who keep robbing you. You can also arrange for drop shipments of arms without the thugs being able to intercept it.
Or order "Chicken Soup For The Starving, Oppressed Peasant Soul" from Amazon.Com.
More likely the device would be regarded with fear and loathing as some sort of trick by the regime, and be given wide berth or smashed, in the interests of preserving one's family.
I think the answer to #11 is that technology doesn't mean shit until we understand what causes us as a species to engage in oppression and genocide...
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"Rex unto my cleeb, and thou shalt have everlasting blort." - Zorp 3:16
The cause of oppression and genocide (Score:2)
Yeah, right, as if it's just our species. Everything from bacteria to whales woould do (and have done) the same thing. I bet aliens from another planet would do it too. The answer isn't in biology, psychology, sociology, or religeon. It's just math -- game theory and optimization. When resources are finite, it is basically "good" strategy to advance your selfish interests at the expense of others -- unless they retaliate.
What you ought to ask is not why we do it, but what we can do to stop it (assuming we want to).
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Re:Outside the box, DAMMIT! (Score:2)
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>Ok. Let's think about this for a minute. Anyone dropping shiny boxes that talk and allow you to connect to the internet would (logically) be
>dropped by someone sympathetic to your plight. How hard would it be to make your home site the default homepage of the box? How
>tough would it be to build a GPS into the box? How about 512 bit encryption?
The problem we have here is one of triage. That is, when you a crisis you have to know which victims can be helped & which cannot. To use an analogy, if you are a doctor in a town with a pandemic of plague (aka The Black Death), who do you give the antidote to first -- the healthy, the sick, or the dying?
Giving these web devices to the desperate in North Korea is akin to giving the antidote to plague to the hopeless cases.
I would expect that this farmer would trade this web device for food. Given this is North Korea, the chances anyone has food to trade with is slim or none, so this item is worthless -- actually it's less than worthless, because if the soldiers found it they'd kill this farmer.
Remember: the peasants did not start the French Revolution because they'd been starving for years, they started it because they had a good harvest or two after starving for years, & were finally able to get their strength back & do something about the privation they had suffered.
>" It probably won't get an 'A', but atleast it'll get moderated up a point, maybe even two."
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>That's not very funny.
I didn't think anyone was making a joke. No one gets a warm fuzzy feeling when she/he admits someone is about to die & there's not a thing that can be done about it.
Geoff
No need to theorize (Score:4)
Let me adapt question 11 to something that I know is occurring today in the USA, and which is of grave concern to me.
12) You live in Black Mesa, Arizona. For the last 25 years or so the US government and agents thereof, as well as the Hopi Tribal Council and its agents, have been destroying your way of life. You live in an arid land, and recently they capped your well. Then they came and took away all your livestock. The strip mine next to your home is filling the air with poisons, and the pristine aquifer under the sacred mountain is drained to carry coal to massive power plants. On February 1st 2000 they will permanently expel you from your sacred home. They want to move you to land polluted with uranium tailings. A person learns of your plight via the Internet. How does this person help?
For more information see:
http://www.magiccookie.com/activism/ black-mesa [magiccookie.com]l [theofficenet.com]
http://www.theofficenet.com/~redorman/welcome.htm
http://www.solcommunications.com/ [solcommunications.com]
http://www.migrations.com [migrations.com]
I can provide more information to assist in answering this question to those interested. (My home page is at http://www.magiccookie.com [magiccookie.com].)
Re:Fool. (Score:2)
All you need is a perverse leader like Hitler or Stalin and an authoritarian society and lots of people die, the ideology doesn't matter much. A libertarian government is by definition not authoritarian, but I don't see how this could be persistant given the human tendency to follow blindly.
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Re:Third World online (Score:2)
As for useful information for peasants, a few minutes with Google [google.com] produces:
- Shelter:
- Building a jungle shelter [jungletraining.com]
- The Mad Housers [photobooks.com]
- Shelters [cosmoaccess.net]
- Digging wells:
- Hand dug wells for villages in Uganda [lifewater.ca]
- Water for the World [lifewater.org]
- Medicine:
- Folk and Alternative Medicine [americanfolk.com]
- Internet Sources of Information on Alternative Medicine [onlineinc.com]
- virtual pediatrician [healthyideas.com]
And, if the third world starts going online, you can expect a heck of a lot more discussion on these topics.Re:What part of... (Score:2)
There's a lot of garbage to sift because posters don't worry about being wrong.
Re:Third World online (Score:2)
Teach them to fish, and they will eat for life.
Give them a portal to an infinate pool of information throughout the world, and they just might be able to teach themselves something.
But will people use it? (Score:2)
And I do wish that the petty bashing of other people's choice of whether or not to attend college and/or for how long and/or choice of major would just STOP. One of the best professors I had was my radio production prof, who was an adjunct with two years of undergrad work under his belt. I don't think I ever worked harder in a class in my life, or ever loved it as much. Sometimes it's better to learn from a guy who's been out in the field for 30 years than someone with the fancy pieces of paper on the wall.
And of course: social science isn't just for people who "can't hack the hard stuff," science/math/comp-sci majors aren't all heartless and arrogant, an English or other classical liberal-arts type major isn't useless (my dad's got some interesting stats on that one that I don't recall right now), business majors aren't all there just to make a quick buck when they get out, etc.
I don't think so (Score:2)
Want others to be sure it's you? Sign your message with your private PGP key, which is in turn signed by a mutually trusted party. To pretend to be you, someone would need to get your private key.
Want to be completely anonymous? Send an email through a nice long mixmaster chain. Then only the first remailer in the chain has any way of possibly knowing where the message came from, and only the last has any way of knowing where the message is headed. And if you encrypt the original with the recipent's public key, only they can know what it says. And if you want a response, you can use a nym.
The point is that both these things are possible already, but they are not in wide use, and a person has to go to some trouble to accomplish an unforgeable or anonymous identity.
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grappler
I don't think so (Score:2)
Want others to be sure it's you? Sign your message with your private PGP key, which is in turn signed by a mutually trusted party. To pretend to be you, someone would need to get your private key.
Want to be completely anonymous? Send an email through a nice long mixmaster chain. Then only the first remailer in the chain has any way of possibly knowing where the message came from, and only the last has any way of knowing where the message is headed. And if you encrypt the original with the recipent's public key, only they can know what it says. And if you want a response, you can use a nym.
The point is that both these things are possible already, but they are not in wide use, and a person has to go to some trouble to accomplish an unforgeable or anonymous identity.
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grappler
Re:Oh, I'm going to get a -1 flamebait for this.. (Score:2)
I thought I would reply just to confirm that I read this sinse it was the only truely interesting responce.
I don't believe in absolute good an evil, what people hold to be good and evil is up to them. But most of us would consider it evil to glutonize like we do in front of people whoom we watch starve, what hypocracy is it not to argue that we are not evil because we keep them out of sight?
I am not arguing for putting a gun to anybody's head either. I believe in freedom over everything. I didn't write anything about forcing anybody, and I would never argue for it either.
Your statement that my philosophy attacks the reasons for morals in the first place, you are completely right. That is exactly what I'm doing. I'm sick and tired of people putting themselves on a moral highground, or believing that they are without guilt because send $10 to the Red Cross every month. There is no moral reason not to murder, because though we are not seeing it, we commit murder every single second. As such the laws by which we build our society are pragmatic and pragmatic only, we should never claim that they represent any form of moral code.
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We cannot reason ourselves out of our basic irrationality. All we can do is learn the art of being irrational in a reasonable way.
Re:I don't think so (Score:2)
If every poster can be held accountable for their postings, what is to stop a tyrannical government from misusing the information to retaliate against me if I speak out against them?
It still smells mutually exclusive to me.
The really remarkable part seems to be that while the solutions do seem mutually exclusive, the United States constitution (as written, not as currently implemented) comes darn close to a complete solution.... closer then I would have thought possible.
Bill "resisting the temptation to go into a pro 2nd ammemndment rant" Kilgallon
Re:I don't think so (Score:2)
spread about my product?
Well, obviously you can't. I don't see that as a big deal though, because if I take steps to make myself anonymous, I also lose the credibility that I would have if I had put my digital signature on it instead. If I go slandering you on usenet with anonymous messages, nobody (or nearly nobody) will care because I would just be some loser out there. I would rather see the option of anonymity stay than see a system designed to hold everybody accountable for their postings.
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grappler