Microsoft Legal Info Released

Two separate batches of Microsoft legal information have been released. The first, which was sent in by tbird, is about Caldera releasing a "statement of facts" relating to the MS/Caldera trial.
The second, from Thaddeus, is about ZDNet having information released about the "other" big MS trial (MS vs. DOJ) - you can read it here. I'll refrain from comment since IANAL :)

Microsoft in the Punjab

[Anonymous Coward]

Did anyone read the article on Microsoft's attempt
to deceive the natives of Punjab with monopoly money? Apparently, they tried to buy Boardwalk and Park Place for 750 monopoly dollars. The Punjabians, being clever types, said no way.

What's there to say about it here?

[Anonymous Coward]

We've known Microsoft was sleazy, and in what particular ways, for quite a whle now. And we've presumed the truth would come out someday.

Those that are still in denial may not have the guts to post on this thread.

Maybe if we post to all the Microsoft investment groups, we can get a reaction. But let's be honest - that's just trolling.

How can we have an intelligent discussion when there's nothing really left to say?

Classic lines

[Otter]

21 Q. It references in this e-mail the
22 Windows box. What do you understand the Windows box
23 to mean?
24 A. Well, the Windows box is certainly not
25 the Windows desktop. The Windows box is a piece of
1 cardboard.
2 Q. Is it your understanding that when he
3 uses "Windows box" here, he means a piece of
4 cardboard?
5 A. Well, he is probably talking about the
6 stuff that's inside. He is saying access to the
7 Windows box. He is talking about the bits that are
8 on the --

Re:Classic lines

[Otter]

Forgot to mention - that was from Bill Gates' deposition [zdnet.com]

Car? No, I think you mean Ford Taurus.

[Accipiter]

DE MORY: Okay. So we won't use [the word 'browser'] today. ... Do you have a word that you use for the graphical user code used for rendering images from the Web? Is there some short term that we could use to refer to that?

ALLARD: Internet Explorer.

Gotta Love it!

-- Give him Head? Be a Beacon?

Fiction

[eponymous cohort]

I couldn't reach the Caldera Site, but the articles about this looks like they present the same information that was in Wendy Goldman Rohms, "The Microsoft File" book, which MS also labeled as "Fiction".

Although I thought it was Steve Ballmer, not Jim Allchin who made the "We need to smile with Novell while we pull the trigger comment?

Re:What the heck is IANAL?

[toriver]

Well, I Am Not A Lawyer, so I could not tell you. The answer is buried in the preceding sentence. This sentence, however, is irrelevant. And this sentence ends the paragraph.

Re:What's there to say about it here?

[Praxxus]

If the employees get too down from looking in the mirror, they usually just look at their stock portfolio for a pick-me-up.

That might change soon, though. ;-)

--

Re:What's there to say about it here?

[xtinct]

i agree with you...

it's easy to see why they fought to keep these documents from being released...

i'm afraid as someone who had no particular hatred for microsoft, the *extreme* ugliness of this "company" has literally left me feeling sick.

who can work there and still look themselves in the mirror?

Re:silly slapdotters...only 10 posts?

[Greyhame]

Just exactly what is wrong with capitalism? Communism didn't work out too well I hear, seeing as how it fell apart in the USSR and basically everywhere else (excluding China). Sure capitalism has its evils. But it allows for competition, provided that those involved aren't greedy like Microsoft. Capitalism may have its roots in exploitation, but the free market is really the only way that products can grow and mature.

It doesn't matter what happens to the GPL as long as the ideas behind it have a strong presence. For some reason, you think that the GPL will be the victim of capitalism. Yet the philosophy behind the GPL is much like that of capitalism. In both cases, the system is much more open and competition can grow. The only difference is that the GPL won't let capitalism turn into imperialism, which is what you should be criticizing. Microsoft is the epitome of a capitalistic organization gone wrong. Instead of the motive being simply to make a good product and allow it to continue being so through improvements and competition, the MS philosophy is to make a mediocre product, force everyone to use it, and take over other profitable businesses.

This is much like imperialism, where the goal is to get the most money and property that you can. If it looks good, take it. Force the people to obey your rules and pay you money for the privelige. This isn't capitalism, just battles between corporate empires.

Sorry about the rant.

What the heck is IANAL?

[frodo__baggins]

What? Do I live in a cave? I have never heard of IANAL. Does this mean I am uptight or what?

silly slapdotters...only 10 posts?

[Velocette]

i'm suprised at all of you, guess it was too much text for you all to handle.
anyhow, i've been reading this crap for over four hours now and i'm not even 1/2 of the way thru it, plus, this is just all the evil shit ms has done to ONE company. i kinda figured that it would be evil, (hey..it's capitalism ain't it?) but i didn't expect it to be so well documented.
half of me is shocked, half of me just simply accepts it as the way life turns itself out. look at any other large corporation, and they don't even have to be a monopoly, and you will see just as many evil deeds done in the course of a buisness day in the name of 'profits.'
we have folgers and starbucks, stifiling all attempts in south america at unionization of coffee field workers and keeping these economies in a state of subsistance wages and substandard education. nike in china, using slave/child labor to maintain their profits on their shoes. hell, even mitsubishi is building a refinery in mexico right in the middle of a whale breeding area.
the fact is, you can't purchase anything anywhere without the environment, a social class, or innovation getting fucked over. it's simply how a corporation survives. so i really can't blame microsoft directly for all of this. it's just a part of life and an artifact of how inefficent our economic system is.
so why is this relevant? have i simply just been spouting my pinko-commie-liberal rantings for a few paragraphs? probably...but these are issues that bother me deep down and will torment my survival in this backwards-ass economic system in the us. am i happy with the fact that everything i can ever hope to achieve in this society will be tainted with stifled innovation and the blood of others? no... is there anything i can do to fight this in the hopes that my efforts will result in a more just society? no, just look at what happened to the black panthers...
life sucks, someone will get screwed. GNU/OSS will get screwed in the end. it could be redhat, ibm, corel..who knows. just wait for the first court case that legally considers the GPL invalid..
enough of my ranting on a thread no one will ever read....