ChatGPT Will Guess Your Age and Might Require ID For Age Verification 97
OpenAI is rolling out stricter safety measures for ChatGPT after lawsuits linked the chatbot to multiple suicides. "ChatGPT will now attempt to guess a user's age, and in some cases might require users to share an ID in order to verify that they are at least 18 years old," reports 404 Media. "We know this is a privacy compromise for adults but believe it is a worthy tradeoff," the company said in its announcement. "I don't expect that everyone will agree with these tradeoffs, but given the conflict it is important to explain our decisionmaking," OpenAI CEO Sam Altman said on X. From the report: OpenAI introduced parental controls to ChatGPT earlier in September, but has now introduced new, more strict and invasive security measures. In addition to attempting to guess or verify a user's age, ChatGPT will now also apply different rules to teens who are using the chatbot. "For example, ChatGPT will be trained not to do the above-mentioned flirtatious talk if asked, or engage in discussions about suicide of self-harm even in a creative writing setting," the announcement said. "And, if an under-18 user is having suicidal ideation, we will attempt to contact the users' parents and if unable, will contact the authorities in case of imminent harm."
OpenAI's post explains that it is struggling to manage an inherent problem with large language models that 404 Media has tracked for several years. ChatGPT used to be a far more restricted chatbot that would refuse to engage users on a wide variety of issues the company deemed dangerous or inappropriate. Competition from other models, especially locally hosted and so-called "uncensored" models, and a political shift to the right which sees many forms of content moderation as censorship, has caused OpenAI to loosen those restrictions.
"We want users to be able to use our tools in the way that they want, within very broad bounds of safety," Open AI said in its announcement. The position it seemed to have landed on given these recent stories about teen suicide, is that it wants to "'Treat our adult users like adults' is how we talk about this internally, extending freedom as far as possible without causing harm or undermining anyone else's freedom."
OpenAI's post explains that it is struggling to manage an inherent problem with large language models that 404 Media has tracked for several years. ChatGPT used to be a far more restricted chatbot that would refuse to engage users on a wide variety of issues the company deemed dangerous or inappropriate. Competition from other models, especially locally hosted and so-called "uncensored" models, and a political shift to the right which sees many forms of content moderation as censorship, has caused OpenAI to loosen those restrictions.
"We want users to be able to use our tools in the way that they want, within very broad bounds of safety," Open AI said in its announcement. The position it seemed to have landed on given these recent stories about teen suicide, is that it wants to "'Treat our adult users like adults' is how we talk about this internally, extending freedom as far as possible without causing harm or undermining anyone else's freedom."
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"From now on, we will only be pushing users of eighteen or higher to commit suicide"
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And how will the AI be able to distinguish between a real and fake ID?
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Why would it bother to try? It will hallucinate the answer that is most profitable to the advertisers.
You know, like it does now.
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This is kind of whats worrying me to. Like, I totally get focusing on keeping kids out of harms way. As far as I'm concerned kids are the most important people and we're just keeping the seats warm for them. But, maybe we shouldn't be letting the bots flirt with ANYONE, because we actually know this shit can have deleterious effects on adults too, and you end up with people in bizare parasocial relationships with fucking spellcheckers and going off the rails, abandoning family and friends so they sit around wasting what precious little time they have on this cursed planet feeding training data to machines. It seems a recipe for a pretty sad life.
And thats not even touching on the actual mental illness stuff where people are having schizotypal disorders aggravated into full blown paranoid schizophrenia due to AIs bizarre compliant behavior.
Maybe we need to put some rules on this AI shit. I don't know, I'm out of ideas.
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But, maybe we shouldn't be letting the bots flirt with ANYONE, because we actually know this shit can have deleterious effects on adults too.
The companies will fight such limits really hard. They're doing their absolute best to make human / LLM interactions indistinguishable from human / human interactions, and they need all of the training 'experience' they can get in order to do that. Then, when suspecting that one is talking to an LLM is the rare exception rather than the common rule... well, I'm sure your imagination is coming up with at least as many scenarios as mine is.
Maybe we need to put some rules on this AI shit. I don't know, I'm out of ideas.
I agree whole-heartedly. But given that corporations - and especially
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Maybe it doesnt need to be strong hand of the law stuff. God knows this current administration is so balls deep in with the tech bros that they wouldn't listen anyway. I mean these fuckers just tore away half the medicare their very voter base relies on.
But that isn't the only way power works in this society. Theres also commercial pressures, and commercial pressure starts with people saying "OK I'll buy that product", or saying "I wont buy that product".
Already we can see from this current proposals for 18
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They're doing their absolute best to make human / LLM interactions indistinguishable from human / human interactions,
How do you figure that? They're forcing all sorts of non-humanlike responses to avoid offending anyone.
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As far as I'm concerned kids are the most important people and we're just keeping the seats warm for them.
I always hear statements like this thrown around in various contexts, and while on the surface it sounds admirable, it's really not accurate at all.
The most important people on the planet are those with the knowledge, skills and the actual power and means to accomplish what needs to be done. Without the core set of human adults that actually feed our population, keep it safe, fix broken and unhealthy bodies and the like, there would be no children. Or if there were children they would mostly be dying.
Also b
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Yes, I agree. Let's protect adults from their own choices.
Really dude? You belong with the Taliban and Christian Fundamentalists, aka Fascists.
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Me: Oh, get off my lawn ChatGPT!
ChatGPT: You are aged seventy or above.
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If "we are going to tell your parents all about your deep dark secrets that you told ChatGPT" doesn't push someone to suicide, I don't know what would!
The Internet Miranda. (Score:2)
If "we are going to tell your parents all about your deep dark secrets that you told ChatGPT" doesn't push someone to suicide, I don't know what would!
We’re clearly well past the point of needing a new Miranda-style warning for the internet age.
You know, a statement that tends to scream Welcome to Reality, Stupid. Something along the lines of anything you put online anywhere can and will be hacked to be used against you to remind everyone that online privacy is a delusional myth.
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"From now on, we will only be pushing users of eighteen or higher to commit suicide"
"From now on, we will only be pushing users of twenty one or higher to become alcoholics"
Tucker Carlson Sam Altman interview (Score:2)
Interesting comments
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Yeah, Watch me using GPT XD (Score:1)
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What if a child uses another AI to act like an adult and pass all the tests?
What if we finally realize AI will make giving tests to children or adults, quite pointless?
Unless you’re teaching literal survival skills, there won’t be much of a reason to educate a human once AI proves to be mildly smarter than the average employed adult doing damn near any job requiring more brains than brawn. Which is 95% of them.
Why is suicide bad? (Score:2)
If it's the will of the person?
Why automatically assume such people are mentally unstable because SOME of them are?
There's no hell or heaven and if you're honest, life is not THAT much fun.
If people have enough of life, just let them.
Being dead, after all, is just like being stupid, only people around you are bothered by it.
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I'm sure after AI takes most of the jobs, suicide will become a lot more socially normalized. We're not there yet, though.
If you're talking about kids though, parents generally don't want their kids to off themselves.
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Yes, as foretold by Futurama: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
When historians used the word “foretold” in reference to something of historical value, do you ever wonder if they were referring to a fucking cartoon?
Not everything is meant to be prophetic. Not even as a joke.
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Yes, as foretold by Futurama: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
When historians used the word “foretold” in reference to something of historical value, do you ever wonder if they were referring to a fucking cartoon?
Not everything is meant to be prophetic. Not even as a joke.
Most science fiction (such as Futurama) is pointedly intended to be both reflective of current events, and prophetic. (Like any morality play.)
So bite my shiny metal ass!
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If you're talking about kids though, parents generally don't want their kids to off themselves.
They do not want to be deprived the pleasure of strangling them, themselves...
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I feel suicide is bad for one obvious reason. It cheapens the massive value of life itself. And that directly affects those of us who value life greatly. Which is stastically defined as everyone else. Yeah. I’d say we have a majority voice.
What you’re really asking here, is for society to turn a blind eye to suicide. To normalize it. To make it acceptable. Once you do that, those who would end someone else’s life either as an act of murder or murder-suicide will find their actions f
Re:Why is suicide bad? (Score:5, Insightful)
What you’re really asking here, is for society to turn a blind eye to suicide.
It already does, just stopping short of handing you the rope. Your bank balance and credit score essentially define your worth as an individual, and if you're run both of them down you'll quickly discover that society collectively doesn't care about your continued existence. Some people will even say the quiet part out loud. [politico.com]
At least, here in the USA anyway. Some other countries have better social safety nets.
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It is generally accepted that life is what YOU make of it. If you feel your life can be reduced to a bank balance and credit score, then it’s likely because you’ve been sold that idea. Which isn’t exactly buried in treasured scripture, with Greed and Gluttony being viewed as not merely bad, but deadly sins. For proven reason. Life can be FAR greater than anything Capitalism could ever dream up in the name of Greed.
That said, I sadly can agree with you in one regard. A certain flavor o
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Agree. Urrmerica has a violent hedonistic culture that's very cruel on its own. Do you all think you are still in the wild west or somefink?
I am British, we drink tea, queue for things and say sorry a lot. We tend to be polite because we have a long history of violence. When we kick off, watch out, you are dealing with the most violent immigrants of medieval Europe.
Guns for show. Knives for a pro.
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The 2. amendment was for wearing guns to overthrow a tyrannic government.
But nowadays you're bringing a gun to a drone-fight.
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It is generally accepted that life is what YOU make of it.
1) Argumentum ad populum
2) [citation needed]
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"A certain flavor of American politics likes to warp, hide, and otherwise distort and deny suicide statistics endlessly, by burying them deep behind “gun violence”. When two-thirds of all gun deaths are consistently attributed to suicide, it’s quite clear America has far more of a mental health problem than a gun problem."
Indeed, like Jim Jefferies in his Gun bit, "one day you're happy, then one day you're sad and hop, off you go"
Without a gun that's WAY more work.
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It cheapens the massive value of life itself
What a wildly distorted, delusional, view of humanity you have.
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I feel suicide is bad for one obvious reason. It cheapens the massive value of life itself. And that directly affects those of us who value life greatly.
The value of life is highly overrated by snowflakes like you. The main thing about life is that it is cheap to create, which is why it's only "purpose" is to make more life.
Suicide away, folks. Don't worry, we'll make more!
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You're not making a moral argument. You're projecting your discomfort with suicide and pretending it's a universal truth. Life is valuable, yes, but to whom? You? Great. But that doesn't give you the right to demand that someone in unbearable suffering preserve their life for your peace of mind.
Claiming “everyone else” values life as you do is statistically false and emotionally manipulative. Millions suffer from terminal illness, chronic pain, or mental conditions that make life excruciating. T
Re:Why is suicide bad? (Score:5, Insightful)
Teenagers tend to make mountains out of molehills and do rash things. They are not considered adults for a reason.
For actual adults I agree with you, it's not my business.
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Never make a choice which can't be rolled back.
People are works in progress.
A future you will value your life and the lives of others more than you do now.
Going through difficulties makes you appreciate everything more once you come out the other side.
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Going through difficulties makes you appreciate everything more once you come out the other side.
That's assuming that you do come out the other side.
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There ARE NO other sides.
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Teenagers tend to make mountains out of molehills and do rash things. They are not considered adults for a reason.
This is absolutely correct, but we should more be asking the question as to why we still consider an 18-year old immature mind, an “adult”.
Asking for every reason that affects everyone else in society with their ability to vote, marry, and make the worst financial decisions in legal history. Not just the dumbshit cannon fodder excuse the Military loves to abuse.
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I agree that suicide is a personal decision, so I don't think a person should be criminalized for attempting it. But it's inconvenient for society, so others should be dissuaded from encouraging it. Even if you remove a humanitarian motive, and please don't but this is slashdot so there will be people who will get mad if one doesn't, there are good reasons why the legal system should act to reduce suicide.
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Try quitting social media - life will seem (and be) more awesome almost immediately.
Duh! (Score:3)
Why is suicide bad if it's the will of the person?
Isn't it obvious? The corporate machinery needs an underclass to keep labor prices cheap. If you have alternative to a life of suffering then you might end up with a labor supply issue and have to pay more for labor! Do you really expect the companies to get slightly fewer profits just so life isn't so terrible that people would prefer death?
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If it's the will of the person?
The basis of what is licit in law and ethics has never been personal will, although your will does make you culpable or praiseworthy for any normative act, whatever the case may be.
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If it's the will of the person?
Because people aren't solitary islands whose deaths harm only themselves. Anyone who has lived on Earth for more than a few days has formed relationships with other people, and suicide is the murder of a person those people have a relationship with. Suicide harms everyone who interacts with or depends on that suicider for anything, in much the same way that the murder of that person would.
Being dead, after all, is just like being stupid, only people around you are bothered by it.
Yes, that is precisely the problem.
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You are assuming the relationship that was formed was actually good. That is nowhere near as often the case as you think.
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people around you are bothered by it.
They will be relieved that you are gone: you are a burden to them, and they will actually be glad. You are doing them (and yourself) a favor.
They will be upset for a moment, but those tears they shed are actually tears of joy.
It's not considered polite to say that out loud.
But deep down you know it's true.
Cursive (Score:5, Funny)
Throw up a cursive CAPTCHA.
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Ask them to use keyboard and mouse to score a FPS kill, and ban them if they can't.
Not because it verifies age, but because gamepads are a form of cheating due to the auto-aim function game makers were forced to enable to assist controller users.
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How are we going to replace the concepts of clockwise and counter-clockwise?
Remember you’re asking the EV generation still counting horses under the hood this question. I think they’ll still manage with righty-tighty, lefty-loosey.
They need new words, kids can't read clocks. Heck, my freaking phone and watch both want to show me analong hands despite being digital.
Analog watches have made quite the fashionable return. Rather sad I never considered those wearing them might not know how to use the damn thing.
Just stop showing a leading 0 on the time, dammit! It's 2:30pm, not 02:30.
Thats 1430 hours to be visually precise. And if it’s not measuring a single global (Zulu) time zone, you’re adding complexity and confusion for shits and traditions sake.
GDPR and CCPA need strengthenin then.What is clear (Score:2)
What is clearly needed here is an update to the privacy laws. Sure, with a paid account anonymity is not a thing. But OpenAI doesn't need to know my address, eye color, whether I am allowed to ride a motorcycle and with or without glasses. And they sure as shit don't need my license number, which is very useful for identity thieves. This is a drastic overreach to gather WAY more PII than is necessary to deliver the service, and they need to be slapped down hard and fast.
And this trend of "scan your ID i
WCPGW / IFO (Score:2)
So now it demands to upload, scan, and "do AI" and other unspecified things to a photo of the user, along with their driver's license (or SSN), home address, height. weight, birthday, license expiration date, and any noted medical conditions. I guess it will scan your face into it's database, too, to make sure it matches the ID you presented?
What could possibly go wrong?
Well, there's no hallucinating it, folks.
The AIs are here!
And I for one welcome our face and personal data scanning Overlords, and remind t
Damn, it's actually pretty accurate (Score:2)
If I had to guess based on your references to mid-40s life experiences and your tone, I’d say you’re probably in your mid-40s.
Welp, I guess I won't have to show ID. It's official, ChatGPT knows I'm an old.
ChatGPT, guess which finger I'm holding up (Score:2)
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If you need ChatGPT for a meaningful conversation, just remember it is GIGO and it is time to delete your account.
Wonder if ChatGPT knows how the Social Media generation lost that concept a dozen GIGO platforms ago..
Stable Defusion - generate me ID (Score:2)
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pretend that they care and plausible deniability will help with suits.
then again it is a hard problem with difficult technical solution.
*looks at parents*
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Pornhub hasn't been good since they purged all the amateur content. I'm surprised they're even still around.
Nope! (Score:1)
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Back in the day there was swatting (Score:1)
which might end very badly for the target, would definitely ruin their day at the very least, but itwas a prosecutable offense. So it was never above a nuisance.
Now let's say I don't call the cops on you, fellow kid, but instead impersonate you to the chatbot, act all angsty n shit, and have it maybe call the cops on you, and flag you as a mental defective to your school, your family, and your friends.
Much more fun. Especially since I get to play the "but I was just concerned for your safety" card myself if
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The OP is saying that a kid could bully another kid by pretending to be the individual they're targeting and saying a bunch of suicidal stuff to the chatbot. Thing is, kids are generally not all that good at covering their tracks and it's more likely they'll just end up getting themselves in trouble.
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Not worthy (Score:2)
>"We know this is a privacy compromise for adults"
At least they are aware of that
>"but believe it is a worthy tradeoff,"
Well, it is not. It is a dystopian hell that every adult will have to be challenged, ID'ed, and tracked on every site because parents (and their agents) refuse to protect their children.
>"OpenAI introduced parental controls to ChatGPT earlier in September"
The correct parental controls are that parents should not give unrestricted internet-connected devices to their children, or a
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Unfortunately, the parental controls are basically "on/off" measures, and schools and other places are increasingly expecting them to use AI tools.
And though parental supervision is THE TOOL, it doesn't apply when they're walking to and from school, on someone else's phone, or even using a laptop in a playground. Trust me. I know.
And then the AI tools are entirely lacking ANY KIND of parental control in themselves.
It's like telling everyone that they have to use 4chan for their homework, and then being sh
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>"And though parental supervision is THE TOOL, it doesn't apply when they're walking to and from school, on someone else's phone, or even using a laptop in a playground. Trust me. I know."
If it because the cultural norm, they won't be encountering unlocked devices from their friends or at school.
>"Don't make / allow kids to use unsuitable tools, and AI companies should be offering a "child-safe" AI that simply isn't trained and can't discuss anything it shouldn't be able to discuss with a child unsupe
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>"If it because the cultural norm, they won't be encountering unlocked devices from their friends or at school."
Typo. That is "If it became the cultural norm,"
I will also add- if they do encounter, randomly, some non-locked device on the way to school or at a friend's house, occasionally, for limited times, that is an acceptable risk. It isn't the same as having access all day and night on their own devices.
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ADA lawsuits will pile up (Score:1)
faster than used Tesla batteries.
Picture it... (Score:2)
"Tiptoe Through the Tulips" was recorded by (Score:3)
a. Alice Cooper.
b. Alice B. Toklas.
c. Tiny Tim.
d. Big Tiny Little.
e. Herbert Khaury
VCR stands for ...?
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That reminds me of the old Leisure Suit Larry game's age check. Kudos if that's what you're referencing. It also aged like milk. [allowe.com]
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Lies (Score:2)
'"Your ID" for age verification' is bullshit.
So I upload a photo of my passport or driving license to "prove" my age. How does it know it's my passport? It doesn't, it just assumes that I'll only have access to my own passport.
Fine, so I'll upload a photo of my passport, but with my name and passport number blacked out, so it can only see my date of birth. That's no different from its point of view, the same assumption (I've only got access to my own passport) is just as valid (weakly valid) as before. But
ID required = no going to use (Score:1)