Drones Used by California Cities to Patrol for Illegal Fireworks and Issue Fines (sfgate.com) 77
"California residents who lit illegal fireworks over the July 4 holiday may be in for a nasty surprise in the mail thanks to covert fire department operations," reports SFGate.
"A number of California cities, including Sacramento, have begun using drones to locate people shooting off illegal fireworks." From Wednesday to Saturday night, the Sacramento Fire Department's special fireworks task force patrolled the streets with unmarked cars and drones, focusing on neighborhoods where they've had prior complaints. Task force officers and the drones took photos of the illegal activity, and within 30 days the property owner where the fireworks were used could receive a fine in the mail...
This year, Sacramento upped the fine to $1,000 for the first firework, $2,500 for the second and $5,000 per firework after that. If you lit a firework on city property, such as a park or a school, the fine goes up to $10,000 each. There's no limit to how many fines you can be issued... This year, a number of cities across the state announced they would be using drones to find scofflaws, among them Indio, Riverside, Hemet, Brea and towns in Tulare County...
Fox40 reported on Saturday that around 60 citations were being prepared in Sacramento, with more likely on the way as fire officials review surveillance footage.
Last year for illegal fireworks, one Sacramento-area resident received a $100,000 fine.
"A number of California cities, including Sacramento, have begun using drones to locate people shooting off illegal fireworks." From Wednesday to Saturday night, the Sacramento Fire Department's special fireworks task force patrolled the streets with unmarked cars and drones, focusing on neighborhoods where they've had prior complaints. Task force officers and the drones took photos of the illegal activity, and within 30 days the property owner where the fireworks were used could receive a fine in the mail...
This year, Sacramento upped the fine to $1,000 for the first firework, $2,500 for the second and $5,000 per firework after that. If you lit a firework on city property, such as a park or a school, the fine goes up to $10,000 each. There's no limit to how many fines you can be issued... This year, a number of cities across the state announced they would be using drones to find scofflaws, among them Indio, Riverside, Hemet, Brea and towns in Tulare County...
Fox40 reported on Saturday that around 60 citations were being prepared in Sacramento, with more likely on the way as fire officials review surveillance footage.
Last year for illegal fireworks, one Sacramento-area resident received a $100,000 fine.
Illegal fireworks (Score:1)
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Re: Illegal fireworks (Score:1)
This isn't Australia we're talking about, it California. Yes, fireworks cause fires in the city. Do you somehow think the urban areas are surrounded with just miles of bare dirt?
I grew up in a state where fireworks were legal, and really regret not being able to enjoy fireworks with my kids. But I understand how our entire state is a tinderbox in the summer, and I've seen the fires started as a result of fireworks, including in my own front yard as a result of kids using them a block away, and something lan
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Fireworks were illegal in Arizona until 2010 where they're now permitted on and around four different holidays. Haven't had any wildfires that I'm aware of, except occasionally somebody might burn their own house down, usually because they threw away the remains before soaking them in water.
Part of the law stipulates that they can only be used on private property with the permission of the property owner. Between setting them off in an area far more controlled vs going out in the desert to avoid getting cau
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People here in California just love electing incompetent politicians
No, it's you not them. The majority of land in question is run by the federal government, so the buck stops with your Daddy.
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Remember it doesn't do any good for you to put up all those drones, what the power companies are doing isn't i
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Power companies are all privatized in Arizona as well, and it doesn't have this problem. Electricity rates are also half as much, and its power grid is far more reliable. California is what happens when the democratic party has absolute power at all levels of government. The politicians here will give you an earful about how important pronouns are, but they couldn't care less about land and resource management.
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It's a serious problem in some communities, especially in fire-prone areas.
Re: Illegal fireworks (Score:2)
Fines. Itâ(TM)s about the fines.
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Oh that fat $200 fine really makes a dent in department funding.
TFS says the fines start at a grand. If it was up to me, the punishment would be mandatory community service instead of a fine, that way it still sends a message to wealthy folks that they're not above the law, and doesn't disproportionally harm some low-income person who picked the wrong way to celebrate the 4th.
Of course, here in Florida setting off "illegal fireworks" is like going 10 MPH over the limit on the highway - technically illegal but rarely enforced.
tyrannical (and revenue raising impulses) (Score:2, Informative)
“If we see multiple fireworks being used at a single property, we can stack the violations based upon how many fireworks they're using,” SFD Fire Marshal Jason Lee told KCRA. “So, it could be thousands of dollars per location.”
It’s no idle threat. Last summer, Elk Grove officials announced they’d used to a drone to bust one resident, who racked up $100,000 in fines. This year, a number of cities across the state announced they would be using drones to find scofflaws, among them Indio, Riverside, Hemet, Brea and towns in Tulare County.
yeah... that's some good proportionality there. this is 80's drug war level logic...
(and no i don't do fireworks, and yes i live in low-density urban neighborhood where there are massive amounts of fireworks legal and otherwise and there are remnants of fireworks on my car, the driveway and the roof. so i agree it's annoying and possibly dangerous, but this kind of enforcement for something SO widespread is beyond obnoxious.)
These people are almost as bad as the southeast US "civil forfeiture" cops
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So, even with drones, you still have to have officers out there... so, no reduction of manpower, no saving on the gas bill for those cars, and you have to have expensive drones for each car. Yeah, fining people for each firework seen could probably offset the massive debt they have from handing everything to the illegals.
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yeah, fining people for each firework seen could probably offset the massive debt they have from handing everything to the illegals.
What?. U got a source for your nonsense?
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Yeah, you mean what I have... what about rent? Food stamps? I could certainly benefit from having my driver's license and a car, both given to me, so I can find a decent job so I can pay my taxes like a good lil' American. And, Medicaid (medical assistance) helps... I have a cast on my foot to fix an issue (find out Friday how much the surgery took care of and all that), but the dentists covered by Medicaid (according to the provider list) don't want to accept it.
If I had the money to go to college for w
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And, Medicaid (medical assistance) helps...
For now. It isn't 'the illegals' who are cutting it.
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You can borrow.
I ran up $100K in student loan debt (mostly all my fault). Graduated as geology major. Had a job lined up one semester before graduating, for $38K/year (1997). Moved 400 miles to a city where I knew nobody to take that job.
Took a long time, but I paid off those loans and did just fine.
Where there is a will, there is a way. Flexibility helps a lot too.
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Hey in the comment before this, you said you moved before having a job lined up (but your wife did) .. now you're saying you had it lined up first? Did you move again somewhere else? What gives?
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Get any engineering degree and you'll be fine. Dude, like enroll in a community college NOW. They have financial aid that will cover all your expenses.
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Deportations and Immigration Limits Threaten California Families, Economy
Your first source.
DHS Exposes Sanctuary Jurisdictions Defying Federal Immigration Law
Your second source.. bye, garbagr human being.
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Funny how I never said anything about any races, and I'm still a racist.
I've worked alongside some of the ones who came here legit, and I've dealt with illegals getting the handouts... I never had any racist crap toward either of them.
So... just because one source says one thing, and the next one (not sure what happened with the one that didn't get hyperlinked... not sure what the site actually supports as far as like HTML or any coding) says something else... you should take what each says in equal step, a
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Gwt the fuck out of here, you lying racist sack of shit.
Do you shame people as racist when you find out they are against illegal immgiration? Where is your human decency? When someone tells you they don't like gangs, or Hollywood, does that make them racist or a Nazi?
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You described an outlier scenario as typical. And second, your first source contradicts you.
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To a legal immigrant, it's "Welcome to America... here's a car, you're signed up for all the aid possible, doesn't matter that your aid deprives someone deserving. We'll hand you housing and you don't pay taxes for 10 years."
Where did you get this impression? legal immigrants to the US (and long term visitors like students or H1-B types) for the most part have to show they have financial means to support themselves and/or a sponsors before anyone even lets them in the country. For refugees this is not the case, but for most... including ye olde chain migrants (family reunification) it is. And NO idea where you got the cars and housing thing unless you mean some charities that do that. There are no such government program
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To be clear you're postulating that "illegal immigrants" are being given state aid. Illegal ones. You realise to get state aid you need to go through a whole process of registering and checks associated with getting aid and that no illegal immigrants qualify.
Meanwhile, someone like me, born here and lived here all their life can't get crap.
Maybe because you made up logically incoherent scenario in your head in order to paint yourself the victim.
But I guess "illegal" is the new "I don't like it". Maybe it's time we come up for a Slashdot word for a Karen. We could call them something like
Cheaper than officers driving (Score:1)
Next: Illegal Fireworks Used To Down Drones (Score:3)
This is American, darn it! The answer is more explosives. What was the question again?
Re: Next: Illegal Fireworks Used To Down Drones (Score:2)
The question is how to make anti-aircraft fireworks.
I had always wanted a reason to do this, I guess now there is one.
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Of course... celebrate our Independence Day with cheap Chinese fireworks!
Fireworks Fatalities Much Lower in UK where Legal (Score:3)
This is American, darn it!
Exactly, so how is it that guns are perfectly legal while you are banning fireworks? The UK has very strict gun control laws but every Guy Fawkes day lots of people set off fireworks in their back gardens perfectly legally. California had 11 deaths due to fireworks while the UK had zero firework related deaths in 2022/23 and only 7 deaths in total from 2010-2023 [www.gov.uk].
So making fireworks legal - while putting some limits of the types of fireworks allowed - seems to save lives, especially when you factor in th
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Now, I've never been to California and I don't suppose that I ever will, but from what I've seen and heard I strongly suspect that California in July is significantly more "flammable" than the UK in November.
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Our local FD had a sign up reminding us that aerial fireworks are illegal. We were apparently allowed to light off other types. I didn't feel much like celebrating the end of America, though.
Re: The entire state could sink into the Pacific (Score:1)
Californiaâ(TM)s economy is the 4th largest economy in the world. So the tax revenue to fund all of the welfare states, which are majority Republican, would be in trouble. California, which used to be its own country, could secede and be just fine, thank you.
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California, which used to be its own country, could secede and be just fine, thank you.
There is no legal mechanism for a state to secede from the union, never mind unilaterally. One can argue about whether or not this was intentional.
Re: The entire state could sink into the Pacific (Score:2)
Re: The entire state could sink into the Pacific (Score:2)
True. We fought a Civil War over that one. What I was trying to convey, is that California could be on its own and do just fine, whereas most states could not.
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Except the hundreds of millions in federal tax dollars they pay, the massive chunk of agriculture, you know the unimportant things.
City property. (Score:4, Insightful)
...within 30 days the property owner where the fireworks were used could receive a fine in the mail
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If you lit a firework on city property, such as a park or a school, the fine goes up to $10,000 each.
Who are they fining in these cases if they are doing this covertly and not getting ID from the perpetrators?
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Who are they fining in these cases if they are doing this covertly and not getting ID from the perpetrators?
Do you know how the police / enforcement process works at all? Rhetorical question. We know the answer is no, otherwise you wouldn't have written your comment.
A poem by Howard Nemerov (Score:2)
Because I am drunk, this Independence Night,
I watch the fireworks from far away,
from a high hill, across the moony green
Of lakes and other hills to the town harbor,
Where stately illuminations are flung aloft,
One light shattering in a hundred lights
Minute by minute. The reason I am crying,
Independence Day (Score:3)
Americans: Fireworks are illegal? Fuckoff, I'm lighting them in the street then.
Worse: some dumbass caused a fire near LA by buying professional show grade fireworks without knowing how to use them.
If he had access to a fireworks store (like I shop at in New Hampshire) he probably would have just bought those.
I buy consumer mortars and those are *plenty* big for home use.
Much kudos to the Chinese who make very reliable pyrotechnics at quite a fair price. I only spent $160 this year despite the tariffs.
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I'm happy our local PD and FD look the other way despite pretty much every firework being illegal in our state. Pretty much the entire 4th of July Weekend is usually open game. Just don't do anything stupid and you're fine. Start a fire? Sure then you get a fine. Someone lose a hand? That's a fine. Shoot them off safely and responsibly... Fuck right off.
Some cities have started cracking down. And exactly what you described happens instead.. we've seen people launching them FROM CARS (Roman candles and such)
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It's a lot easier to say sure go ahead and legalize fireworks when you are in New Hampshire as opposed to drought stricken California.
Never mind the fact that the stuff you're describing could just as easily start a large fire. I don't think he realized what the Southwest is like it really doesn't take much the whole bloody region is b
Deterrance (Score:3)
The point of the fines is to get people to stop shooting off fireworks given the enormous fire danger. Unfortunately you only get fined if you are caught. So this story is threatening people by making getting caught a reasonable possibility.
We live in country where there are people who do things illegal and figure they will just pay the fine if caught. Its just a cost. Some of those people are rich enough that they can afford to risk a very high fine to have a little fun.
So you have to make it more likely they will get caught and the fine has to be very onerous even for the richest among us. Because that is the only way to keep idiots from launching fireworks into the air that can start a fire whereever they land in a tinder dry state.
I'm ok with this... (Score:1)
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I'm sure the state needs all the money it can get from it's citizens. You know, to give them all the social services it gives to those in need.
Correct. Since the federal government is cutting essential social services which keep people alive, California is going to have to step up again and pay for the stuff you broke bitches can't afford, like health care.
A hole in their plan (Score:2)
I have an idea (Score:1)
Also, victimless crimes are BS. Reckless endangerment, okay, great. Going 100 MPH in your car is dangerous even if you don't crash. But anyone who knows anything about fireworks knows how to light them off safely so leave us alone! Glad I don't live in this nanny state!
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4A violation? (Score:1)
Laws are only for normies (Score:2)
Same for Chinese New Year? (Score:2)
I wonder if the drones and force deployments and the big fines are used for other firework-prone holidays, like Chinese New Year in San Francisco's Chinatown district? I somehow doubt it.