High Tariffs Become 'Real' For Adafruit - With Their First $36K Bill Just For Import Duties (adafruit.com) 151
Adafruit's managing director Phillip Torrone is also long-time Slashdot reader ptorrone.
He stopped by Thursday to share what happened after a large portion of a recent import was subjected to a 125% +20% +25% import markup... We're no stranger to tariff bills, although they have definitely ramped up over the last two months. However, this is our first "big bill"... Unlike other taxes like sales tax where we collect on behalf of the state and then submit it back at the end of the month — or income taxes, where we only pay if we are profitable — tariff taxes are paid before we sell any of the products. And they're due within a week of receipt, which has a big impact on cash flow.
In this particular case, we're buying from a vendor, not a factory, so we can't second-source the items. (And these particular products we couldn't manufacture ourselves even if we wanted to, since the vendor has well-deserved IP protections). And the products were booked & manufactured many months ago, before the tariffs were in place.
Since they are electronics products/components, there's a chance we may be able to request reclassification on some items to avoid the 125% "reciprocal" tariff, but there's no assurance that it will succeed, and even if it does, it is many, many months until we could see a refund.
We'll have to increase the prices on some of these products. But we're not sure if people will be willing to pay the higher cost, so we may well be "stuck" with unsellable inventory — that we have already paid a large fee on...
Their blog post even includes a photo of the DHL customs invoice with the five-digit duty fee...
Share your own stories and experiences in the comments. Any other Slashdot readers being affected by the new U.S. tariffs?
He stopped by Thursday to share what happened after a large portion of a recent import was subjected to a 125% +20% +25% import markup... We're no stranger to tariff bills, although they have definitely ramped up over the last two months. However, this is our first "big bill"... Unlike other taxes like sales tax where we collect on behalf of the state and then submit it back at the end of the month — or income taxes, where we only pay if we are profitable — tariff taxes are paid before we sell any of the products. And they're due within a week of receipt, which has a big impact on cash flow.
In this particular case, we're buying from a vendor, not a factory, so we can't second-source the items. (And these particular products we couldn't manufacture ourselves even if we wanted to, since the vendor has well-deserved IP protections). And the products were booked & manufactured many months ago, before the tariffs were in place.
Since they are electronics products/components, there's a chance we may be able to request reclassification on some items to avoid the 125% "reciprocal" tariff, but there's no assurance that it will succeed, and even if it does, it is many, many months until we could see a refund.
We'll have to increase the prices on some of these products. But we're not sure if people will be willing to pay the higher cost, so we may well be "stuck" with unsellable inventory — that we have already paid a large fee on...
Their blog post even includes a photo of the DHL customs invoice with the five-digit duty fee...
Share your own stories and experiences in the comments. Any other Slashdot readers being affected by the new U.S. tariffs?
relocate outside the US (Score:5, Insightful)
e.g. move to Europe and start building a new customer base there.
Re: relocate outside the US (Score:2)
This is the way and what smart people will be doing
Ironically, this is what Trump wants (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Ironically, this is what Trump wants (Score:5, Insightful)
LOL isn't even capable of understanding that. What Trump wants is your worship and your money, that's it.
And isn't Adafruit "located in the USA to serve USA customers", yet there's a problem. I'm sure it's just what Trump wants.
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And isn't Adafruit "located in the USA to serve USA customers", yet there's a problem.
There would be more problems for Adafruit to relocate to the EU to serve US customers.
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If the prices get too high, there won't be any US customers.
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No, the Chinese don't want those jobs either, they're moving on to better jobs, just like the US did.
China's real GDP per capita is about the same as the US in 1980. Like the US in 1980, their economy is moving on to services, higher end manufacturing, and outsourcing the low end stuff.
FAILING to do so is called the "middle income trap." Providing the world's cheap industrial labour is a great way for developing countries to get industrialization going, but failing to advance beyond that dooms you to stagna
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But Americans don't want to pay the prices for things made by Americans.
That's true for many, and they have been learning the error of that choice for decades. And Americans have widely approved of various efforts over the decades to have foreign product made in the USA. For example many autos from Japanese and German auto makers. And coercive tactics were used to get these automakers to open factories in the USA.
Nor do they want those jobs. That is already well proven.
Again, auto plants of Japanese and German auto makers proves otherwise.
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So you're using the auto industry as a proxy for all manufacturing? You don't see the glaring problem that auto manufacturing is unusually high value relative to pretty much all other manufacturing?
Auto manufacturing is one of the few bits of manufacturing that actually makes sense to do in a first world country as an auto company can afford to pay first world wages on big ticket items like cars. Not so much for most other manufacturing, low value work similar to this is typically done by under paid illegal
Re: Ironically, this is what Trump wants (Score:2)
Fewer jobs than 1960s, but still a benefit (Score:2)
So you're using the auto industry as a proxy for all manufacturing?
Nope. Just one well known example to debunk a false statement.
You don't see the glaring problem that auto manufacturing is unusually high value relative to pretty much all other manufacturing?
It's not about high value. It's about profitability. With a high degree of automation, the elimination of unfair trade advantages via tariffs (ex tolerating pollution and labor abuse), many things become practical to manufacture in the USA.
... low value work similar to this is typically done by under paid illegal immigrants in this country.
So you're going with the false straw man that we are returning to 1960s era manufacturing? No, we will be going highly automated, it will employ few people than in the 1960s. Yet it will economically benefit t
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Nope. Just one well known example to debunk a false statement.
No, you very clearly were when you pointed at the auto industry as a reason manufacturing would work in the US. You narrowed the conversation to a "winnable" point while ignoring how different the auto industry is relative to other manufacturing.
It's not about high value. It's about profitability. With a high degree of automation, the elimination of unfair trade advantages via tariffs (ex tolerating pollution and labor abuse), many things become practical to manufacture in the USA
If making low value things in the US makes so much sense why aren't we already doing that? Why does it require triple digit tariffs on China to get to happen if it makes so much sense all on its own?
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Nope. Just one well known example to debunk a false statement.
No, you very clearly were when you pointed at the auto industry as a reason manufacturing would work in the US.
"could", not "would".
You narrowed the conversation to a "winnable" point while ignoring how different the auto industry is relative to other manufacturing.
Nope. There was no such narrowing. Just a well known example to debunk a false claim.
It's not about high value. It's about profitability. With a high degree of automation, the elimination of unfair trade advantages via tariffs (ex tolerating pollution and labor abuse), many things become practical to manufacture in the USA
If making low value things in the US makes so much sense why aren't we already doing that? Why does it require triple digit tariffs on China to get to happen if it makes so much sense all on its own?
What part of "the elimination of unfair trade advantages via tariffs (ex tolerating pollution and labor abuse)" did you find confusing?
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Nope. There was no such narrowing. Just a well known example to debunk a false claim.
An example which, as I've been saying all along, is not representative of the rest of the industry. Cars are high value product, most manufacturing is not.
What part of "the elimination of unfair trade advantages via tariffs (ex tolerating pollution and labor abuse)" did you find confusing?
So China has ongoing "unfair trade advantages" that can only be over come by radical triple digit tariffs? You sound like an expert! Why don't you go ahead and tell me what these trade advantages are and how they amount to such a truly massive advantage that we need such incredibly high tariffs to over come them?
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If it’s just “a” well-known example, why don’t you provide, say, five other examples, to show how it’s not the exception that proves the rule?
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Nope. There was no such narrowing. Just a well known example to debunk a false claim.
An example which, as I've been saying all along, is not representative of the rest of the industry. Cars are high value product, most manufacturing is not.
Which I demonstrated was another flawed argument, that high value was not required.
What part of "the elimination of unfair trade advantages via tariffs (ex tolerating pollution and labor abuse)" did you find confusing?
So China has ongoing "unfair trade advantages" that can only be over come by radical triple digit tariffs?
Addressing a predatory practice is precisely one of the recognized uses of a retaliatory tariff. In this case, it would go something like this. Country A's factories are estimated to have a 10% economic advantage from being able to externalize the cost of pollution and not being required to control pollution at the manufacturing level. Unlike its competitors in the US and EU. A retaliatory tariff of 10% would erase this unfai
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Which I demonstrated was another flawed argument, that high value was not required.
No you didn't. You hand waved "automation will solve everything" as if automation was the answer to outdoing China even though China could be doing this themselves. They arent because their cheap labor means more automation then they currently do is not cost effective so why would it be for us?
Addressing a predatory practice is precisely one of the recognized uses of a retaliatory tariff. In this case, it would go something like this. Country A's factories are estimated to have a 10% economic advantage from being able to externalize the cost of pollution and not being required to control pollution at the manufacturing level. Unlike its competitors in the US and EU. A retaliatory tariff of 10% would erase this unfair advantage, removing the benefit of tolerating pollution.
We are at triple digits not due to the underlying base tariff but due to various rounds of doubling down by both sides. Its just a negotiating tactic.
You think a 10% tariff makes up for developing world cheap labor, their real advantage which does not qualify as "unfair" and which needs to be overcome to make manufacturing profitable in America? That's a laugh.
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Those coercive tactics were a lot more surgical and strategic than blanket tariffs. With the current tariffs, the vast majority of car parts will be subject to tariffs. Add on the higher cost of manufacturing in the U.S. and it's just about as cost-effective to keep importing fully-manufactured cars than assemble them with high-tariffed parts using high-cost labor.
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Those coercive tactics were a lot more surgical and strategic than blanket tariffs.
The high tariffs aren't blanket. They are being individually negotiated, exceptions are being discussed for certain US importers, etc.
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I don't think that's what they're talking about. I interpreted it as companies creating proxy companies in low-tariff countries, importing products from high-tariff countries to those proxies, and then having the proxies sell the imported goods to the U.S.-based companies for a song and a dance. As much of a pain as that is, it's far easier to do that than establishing an enormous supply and manufacturing chain in the U.S.
Such practices are already targets of the current tariff policy. For example the US has applied tariffs in excess of 40% on products falsely labeled Made in Vietnam. to avoid Chinese tariffs.
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"Why should I change my name? He's the one who sucks."
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Re: relocate outside the US (Score:2)
They aren't just an importer, all the things they import you can also get from Digikey or mouser. Their real business is the making of the development boards that use those cups and make them friendly to hobbyists. The kind of "manufacturing" the orange turd claims to want in the USA.
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That was what I meant by the support part. Adafruit is a community and a supply ecosystem - yes a lot of what they import are commodities (though, having been trying to source parts for a low-production-run commercial product I can testify that _not_ everything on Adafruit is available on the biggies like DK :)), but again, their community aspect exists in other countries too - they would find it hard to just muscle in there.
PCBs can be etched and stuffed here. That industry exists (unlike almost all of the
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No need to build a new customer base. Adafruit already has a presence worldwide through Mouser, Digikey and lots of smaller operations like PiShop. They might even save money importing from themselves into the US on anything they assembled.
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Yep, or Canada, which is likely to be a bit easier than EU if you're moving from USA.
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More AC stupidity. VAT applies to all products, so it's not a tariff.
A dog is not a cat. An AC is a cunt.
Don't Pay It. Problem Solved. (Score:2)
As an American occupier, I ask that you boycott us and nuke Washington DC. That is all. We might take care of the rest.
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We've seen the news around Black Friday when the hot new toy is in short supply. I doubt any nuking is necessary.
I thought China paid those tarrifs! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Six failed projects ... (Score:4, Insightful)
National sales tax (Score:5, Insightful)
If you have less than $10 million in the bank (not your 401k or your house in the actual bank as liquid cash) then this would effectively double your taxes.
It basically takes all the taxes we've managed to get the 1% to pay, which is a large number even if it's a low percentage of their wealth, and it shifts that burden on to you.
And unless a miracle happens this is exactly what's going to occur. Voter suppression and moral panics means Trump is likely to get a third term and if it's not Trump due to his health it'll be someone just like him.
So you need to be looking at what you paid in taxes last year and you need to double that and then you need to start making plans to live without that money.
Basically you need to plan to have about 1500 to 2,500 less per month in your pocket.
Re:National sales tax (Score:5, Informative)
The president of the United States doesn't have the authority to levy tariffs. That's congress's job. Congress passed a law that the president can do so in very specific circumstances, involving a serious security threat to the US.
That's why the bullshit about fentanyl and trade balances. They're flimsy excuses to declare national emergencies and use emergency powers.
It's not a law if it's not enforced (Score:2)
This means that Elon musk is effectively in charge of the US government.
This is what happ
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Sure. Now, is it a foreign power attacking you? Is it an emergency that requires fast decisions that require appointing one man with absolute power? Is it worth suspending habeus corpus for?
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Sure. Now, is it a foreign power attacking you?
If a foreign government is tolerating the export of precursor chemicals to foreign drug cartels, yes, they are attacking you.
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So you're mad at India and willing to destroy your separation of powers to, um, something, something?
Hey, you know what would help? Cutting the DEA's funding and retasking their agents to hunting down immigrants!
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"Just one more prohibition and we will win the war on drugs"
This is not only a bad faith strawman but it's just a pointless virtue signal, nobody disputes fentanyl overdoses are a problem. Zero. Obviously they were talking about it's use of cover for economic policies which belies whether they care about the problem at all, that's what's at question. If they were concerned about this why propose to cancel the Narcan program?
Even if they were genuine it's the wrong move anyway, tariffs are just roundabout w
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Actually, I think it started with opium. People used to grow their own poppies and use it as a pain treatment. Laudanum was sold openly.
There are reasonable arguments that addictive drugs shouldn't be allowed to be sold or advertised. (I'm not totally sure they're valid, but they exist.) Once you get beyond that, however...
Also, *I* believe that by the constitution this decision should devolve to the states. (Yeah, the Supreme Court disagrees. They have repeatedly wildly and intentionally misstated th
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Funny, someone(s) invaded China back in the day to force them not to ban opium.
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"Just one more prohibition and we will win the war on drugs"
This is not only a bad faith strawman ....
Yes, the above is a bad faith straw man. Its not what I wrote.
... nobody disputes fentanyl overdoses are a problem. Zero.
Except the person I responded to.
Obviously they were talking about its use of cover for economic policies which belies whether they care about the problem at all ...
That's quite the novel stretch. And debunked by the focus on the export of precursor chemicals.
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You're an ass. I said no such thing.
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You're an ass. I said no such thing.
You wrote: "That's why the bullshit about fentanyl ..."
70K dead a year is not BS.
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Google the phrase regressive tax (Score:2)
If you're a developing Nation the tariffs are less of a problem because you are probably exporting a lot more than your importing because you're being used for cheap labor and we are allowed to pollute your groundwater.
As a developed Nation you have a enormous amount of exports but they tend to be very high-end stuff like planes and medical equipment and advanced electronics built from partially finis
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Trump is repeatedly tried to sell the idea of eliminating income tax using tariffs, basically a national sales tax did he can implement without congress's authority.
Companies should be hating the idea of tariffs. It's like a tax, that is collected before even receiving any revenue, at a higher rate than any sales or income tax. So, the American company pays more and pays without sales money in the bank. Trump hopes that the tariff money will be recouped from the overseas non-Americans, but that likely won't happen in full and the American company assumes 100% of the risk.
Paradoxically, Trump wants to simultaneously move manufacturing to the US and choke off imports
Exactly as expected (Score:2)
Including the remark that the markup may make things unsellable and make the situation even worse. Tariffs are ecconomically massively problematic. Anybody with basic (but real) knowledge how trade works knows this.
Re:Exactly as expected (Score:4, Insightful)
"Anybody with basic (but real) knowledge" about anything is the enemy of the people. That's a pillar of Trumpism.
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Indeed. Probably one of the largest cults in history ...
It gets better (Score:5, Interesting)
As of now, there are no inbound ships from China [cnn.com] to California's two largest ports. It's been five years since this last happened. If there are no inbound ships with goods that means empty shelves in about three weeks.
But that's a good thing according to our glorious leader. It means we're losing less money [yahoo.com].
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That's Great Again! We will have more shooe and cloth makers in USA! Our core competencty! That's why we do not need schools. A lot of savings, eh? /s
Both can be true at once (Score:2)
Everyone knows there was a pre-tariffs glut. You'd be the liar to say otherwise.
The CNN article is not stating the USA ports have come to a standstill. It's only saying the ships have stopped shipping from China. There is weeks of lag between those two.
IP (Score:2)
IP can be licensed, and I believe courts have ruled in some cases that it must be licensed. China's Yellow River miracle might be the result of stealing IP daily, but the US should be able to hold its own.
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Well, the US government has claimed ownership of some patents on nuclear processes by (essentially) eminent domain, so it definitely can be done. And that's officially not stealing, because it was defined as not stealing, even though it was without recompense. I'm *not* saying it was a bad idea. Just that it was stealing. But it was actual theft rather than copying, as the originators were prohibited from using the patent which the US then officially owned. (FWIW, I'd be really nervous if even more fol
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The US is the world's largest holder of IP rights and consistently pushes stronger IP protections on the rest of the world. Ignoring them because they don't want to pay would be a very interesting development....
Masterful Gambit! (Score:4, Interesting)
If you want American greatness generally, or onshore manufacturing in particular, you are making things vastly harder for yourself by just abruptly making more or less anything that isn't already domestically manufactured harder and more expensive to get. Does Adafruit or Sparkfun's catalog run a bit into fairly casual nerd toys at the shallow end? Arguably. Does it also include a wide variety of bits and pieces that people who are most likely to be interested in entering the engineering pipeline as they grow up, along with people who are doing engineering and need a given bit or piece quickly and reliably, would definitely want? Indeed it does.
Are you going to win the future by making it harder for someone interested in robotics to get a PWM/servo driver board because it's on a Chinese PCB? Even if your desired end-goal is a 100% vertically integrated mine to customer production chain it's absurd to think that the most efficient(or even possible) way of doing that is by blanket restrictions on basically everything all at once. If anything (not unlike we've been accusing China of doing for some decades) you'd presumably want zero to effectively negative tariffs/other regulatory incentives on certain things precisely because you wish to develop capability in areas downstream of them.
It's only really in more or less purely frivolous consumption goods where just flatly increasing the cost of the foreign stuff isn't obviously self-destructive(still not necessarily good policy; but if football-watchers went from 65in TVs to 45in ones and more tailgating it wouldn't cause obvious injury to the football industry; while someone doing boutique electronics for specialist applications could easily go from viable to out of business if they can't get a PCB spun quickly or get some test leads nice and fast).
Oh no! (Eduardo Sterblitch laugh meme here) (Score:2)
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Many businesses - including Amazon, Walmart, and pretty much any big-box retail website - have a huge hunk of their 'product line' that is just an obscured link to a Chinese supplier with a huge markup.
The biggest tell is when you try to order it, and it's online only and it has a lead time of several weeks.
Just go to Aliexpress and order it directly. With a little bit of patience you get the same product for much less. Yeah, you're paying some Chinese vendor. The difference is you're not paying an Ameri
Workaround for Adafruit (Score:2)
High Tariffs Become 'Real' For Adafruit ...
Get SCOTUS to re-classified them as a vegetable to avoid the tariffs, like tomatoes [wikipedia.org]. :-)
Is that how maga is coping? (Score:5, Insightful)
I realize there is absolutely nothing more pointless than pointing out hypocrisy in the right wing. The right wing is intellectually and physiologically incapable of experiencing the emotion of hypocrisy.
But damn boy you tied yourself up in one hell of a knot there to keep backing dear leader...
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I'm giving life advice which has worked well for me. Unplug, go have some fun!
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Are you demented? Just yesterday we were in a conversation in which I declared I was a Green voter.
Yeah a lot of Trump voters are pretending they didn't vote for him now.
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Any other retarded theories?
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It just screams MAGA, doesn't it?
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A few months ago you were telling us China was going to pay the tariffs and now suddenly you've become anti-consumer hippies.
Because his royal highness proclaimed we're buying too many pencils for our boys, and too many dolls for our 11-year-old "baby" girls.
Of course, the cognitive dissonance will only last until they need something repaired around the house and the source for the part is now just some seller on eBay charging what the market will bear because he's got the only stockpile. That'll be a hard lesson in Ferengi economics.
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Trump: Sleepy Joe killed the soaring US economy
Also Trump: The market shrinking is a good thing
MAGA: The market shrinking is a good thing
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Your knee-jerk response says more about you than it does about me.
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How in earth does that put the joke on them? Because you voted for a worthless third party we should all take your advice of burying our heads in the ground and pretend this administration isn't doing everything it can to crash the economy?
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Me, I pay attention to which way the wind is blowing and take steps ahead of time. I'm suggesting others do the same. But hey, if you're the kind of person, so prevalent in social media, who isn't happy unless they are freaking the fuck out about something then I won't stand in your way.
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Yes, I understood you the first time. The "correct" response to things that bother you is to bury your head on the sand and pretend the problems don't exist.
"Radical reshaping of government that's crashing the US economy got you down? Unhappy at the unconstitutional things this administration is doing? No prob, just go for a walk!"
The joke is on the party hack for ASSuming I'm in the MAGA camp.
Given who you've been voting for and what that implies about your political beliefs, throwing your vote away on a third party that isn't going to win is hardly helping any cause y
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Suggesting that people do something other than shit themselves in public on the internet isn't burying my head in the sand or sugg
Self education should be on list of things to do (Score:2)
Go outside, get laid, talk to friends and family ... there are so many ways to make this a non-issue for most people.
Lots of what Adafruit sells is an about self education. Self education should be on your list of things to do.
Re: Self education should be on list of things to (Score:2)
That sounds a lot like doing your own research.
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Better yet, go get laid. That Arduino ain't gonna help with that.
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Components aren't subject to the big tariff. Buy some opamps. Better yet, go get laid. That Arduino ain't gonna help with that.
The ESP32 microcontroller might help you get laid. Ever notice a hot chick with an average to below average guy? He's probably got a good job.
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To address your misguided and indeed demeaning stereotype
Women finding good employment attractive is not a stereotype.
But I have no trouble because I know how to listen, how to make the people around me feel safe, and I offer support & encouragement when the chips are down.
Have you tried those while employed and while unemployed? Noted any difference?
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My many female friends tell me I should start a podcast to set men straight on myths like the one you're trying to defend. (Pssst, it's not a good look to present women as a bunch of gold diggers.)
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As a matter of fact, I have. The kind of work I've done in my life tends to suck up a lot of time, which gets in the way of a social life. My many female friends tell me I should start a podcast to set men straight on myths like the one you're trying to defend. (Pssst, it's not a good look to present women as a bunch of gold diggers.)
"gold diggers" -- I said no such thing. I said they find good jobs attractive. "Gold diggers" is just your fraudulent straw man.
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Ever notice a hot chick with an average to below average guy? He's probably got a good job.
This speaks for itself, and I immediately objected to the demeaning tone. You come right out and say that "hot chicks" will "probably" only date "below average" guys if they have a "good job". You had the opportunity to correct my impression but let it ride. Now it's too late.
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One of the really great things about Slashdot is the inability to edit posts. As you said upthread:
Ever notice a hot chick with an average to below average guy? He's probably got a good job.
This speaks for itself, ....
So does the post you just responded to which states: ""gold diggers" -- I said no such thing. I said they find good jobs attractive. "Gold diggers" is just your fraudulent straw man."
Notice how both say ""good job". Again, you just demonstrate your fraudulent straw man of interpreting "good job" as "gold digger".
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Nice try. Now go try to defend your post to a woman, in person.
It's female friends that have told me a "good job" matters. This includes a long term friend from school, when we were both 19 and I was wavering about going to college. She said women want a partner not a dependent. We never dated, she was the girlfriend and later the wife of one of my friends. Just an honest friend explaining the real world. My friend's "good job" was in a non-college professional trade. I've hear the same sentiment, partner not dependent, from many women.
Ironically, I often practice t
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If you had left the "below average" part out, you might have had a defense--and I would have had a different initial reaction. But the emphasis was clear and this is a familiar trope that any mature, thinking person ought to know better than to trot out in public.
Better luck next time.
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You're a little slow, aren't you--even when I break it down for you with quote marks. If you had left the "below average" part out, ...
It's not relevant to debunking your fraudulent "gold digger" straw man. You are merely explaining what triggered your misunderstanding. Your misunderstanding and fraudulent straw man remains whatever the cause.
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You might want to read this: https://www.americanmanufactur... [americanma...turing.org]
Are we going to see empty shelves at supermarkets by the end of the year? Unknown, it depends on how quickly the supermarkets can react and find new suppliers. But I'd say with (see quonset's link below) China no longer shipping anything to the US as of yesterday, we're either going to see food shortages (unlikely) or massive hikes in price as food gets imported from more expensive suppliers, suppliers that would be more expensive anyway (why els
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Making America Great Again by doing without. The problem is that you're not getting enough sex, doncha know? Freedumb means only two dolls for your kids.
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Here's another one for you: if you didn't see this coming months ago and didn't take action like I did, then you never learned anything from "Three Little Pigs".
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I shuttle groceries from food banks to my less fortunate friends who lack even the cheap 150cc scooter I have, how about you?