Hungary To Use Facial Recognition to Suppress Pride March (theguardian.com) 221
Hungary's Parliament not only voted to ban Pride events. They also voted to "allow authorities to use facial recognition software to identify attenders and potentially fine them," reports the Guardian.
[The nationwide legislation] amends the country's law on assembly to make it an offence to hold or attend events that violate Hungary's contentious "child protection" legislation, which bars any "depiction or promotion" of homosexuality to minors under the age of 18. The legislation was condemned by Amnesty International, which described it as the latest in a series of discriminatory measures the Hungarian authorities have taken against LGBTQ+ people...
Organisers said they planned to go ahead with the march in Budapest, despite the law's stipulation that those who attend a prohibited event could face fines of up to 200,000 Hungarian forints [£425 or $549 U.S. dollars].
Organisers said they planned to go ahead with the march in Budapest, despite the law's stipulation that those who attend a prohibited event could face fines of up to 200,000 Hungarian forints [£425 or $549 U.S. dollars].
Do the people support the government? (Score:3)
Do the people of Hungary actually support the government (on this issue or in general) or is Hungary one of those countries that holds pretend elections to mask the fact that it's actually a dictatorship?
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Do the people of the US actually support the government (on the issue of removing Social Security, destroying education, leaving the world stage and fighting wars with Canada and the EU) or is the US one of those countries that uses various tricks to steer the votes in the right direction, or outright buy votes when necessary, masking the fact that it is actually an oligarchic state where the popular opinion has very little impact on the government?
Re:Do the people support the government? (Score:5, Insightful)
Of course they do, are you seeing any serious opposition? Look at what opposition looks like in Hungary or even Serbia.
If you do anything that results in a criminal record, you severely limit your future employment opportunities. Here in the USA, that means potentially not even having access to healthcare. For most of us, that's a very strong incentive to just keep quiet even though we'd love to be out letting this administration know how we really feel.
Re:Do the people support the government? (Score:5, Insightful)
I can only laugh at the irony.
Back in the 80s your government openly encouraged everyone living behind the Iron curtain to protest, which literally meant a criminal record, a long sentence and a real risk of serious injury plus a lifelong exclusion from anything above low-paid physical labor. No courts to stand for the human rights of those people, no chance of redemption, not even presidential pardons. And yet they protested and managed to bring change about.
But in the home of the brave and the land of the free, where there are courts, freedom of press and the second amendment protest is too hard.
Hehehe.
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All sorts of ways to cut SS while claiming the people who are being dropped 'deserve it'
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>"Well yeah, 'corruption and waste' is how they are cutting social security."
That isn't "cutting" social security. It is an effort to make sure those entitled to benefits are the only ones getting them. I have personally seen lots of abuse of the disability portion of the system. It is rife with corruption.
Social Security is already an unsustainable ponzi scheme and if efforts aren't made to fix it, it will fail. Unfortunately, even if all the abuse/fraud were removed (probably impossible), it will s
Re:Do the people support the government? (Score:5, Informative)
In Hungary the division appears to be stronger, with some actual Nazi supporters [jpost.com]. The situation is complicated because some people viewed Nazis positively as. saving the country from Soviets. But also, a lot of Hungarians supported (and support) anti-Jewish policies. Most Jews left Hungary, though.
As far as dictatorship, the current prime minister has been there since 2010, but he's also won the elections. In 2022 OSCE heavily monitored the elections, so it seems they were probably within the range of fair.
Re:Do the people support the government? (Score:4, Informative)
https://www.osce.org/odihr/ele... [osce.org]
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"widespread government advertisement campaigns paid from the state budget"
That's a problem, but not the end of democracy.
Re:Do the people support the government? (Score:5, Insightful)
In 2022 OSCE heavily monitored the elections, so it seems they were probably within the range of fair.
The elections themselves are fair, everything around them is not. In Hungary the media is heavily controlled, they rank among the worst of western nations for freedom of press. Any opposition party struggles to get any airtime what so ever in the lead up to elections, and "fact checking" could only be worse if they called up Putin himself to do it. The OSCE was very critical of the Hungarian elections saying that voters completely lacked any ability to make an informed choice free from government bias.
The election day activities are fair, the entire election process is far from it.
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Do the people of Hungary actually support the government (on this issue or in general) or is Hungary one of those countries that holds pretend elections to mask the fact that it's actually a dictatorship?
False dichotomy. Both are true. Lots of dictatorships are quite popular with their population. The dictators know do care about popular opinion because they want to avoid a revolution. The big problem with dictatorships is the suppression of unpopular opinions which challenge wrong or inaccurate consensuses. Freedom of expression can be a short term pain but is important to keep society functioning properly in the long term. Also, without fair media access, so that the opposition has a real problem putting
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>"In a sense that's become the problem in the US where large blocks of right wing media control access to the majority of the population because, whilst there are alternatives to Fox News and co, many people never see those alternatives."
I agree that is a problem. The vast majority of major news outlets are left wing and narrate in lock-step. Which, itself is another problem. But that doesn't negate that half the country concentrates its media consumption on that small part that isn't left-wing, and s
Re: Do the people support the government? (Score:2)
The consensus is more often brainwashed than thinking for itself
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Re:Do the people support the government? (Score:5, Informative)
People in Hungary support the belief of their government. The key word is belief. The mark of a dictatorship is strong control of the media. Hungary's government grew into what it was today in a far slower pace than what is going on in America, but they retain power thanks to strong state partisan control over all narratives. They dropped from from 40th to 85th in freedom of the press ranking in the past 10 years as well as having dismantled the power of the judicial system removing checks and balances against the government. When people don't know any better, they support their government.
Sound familiar?
Arts and Crafts (Score:5, Funny)
1. Print out Orbans face.
2. Make two holes for eyes.
3. Make two holes for some string.
4. Make Orban the happiest most out loud and proud gay rights marcher ever.
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If facial recognition was the only technique used, that'd work. But the freedom-loving Hungarians aren't so lucky.
Emboldened by the US (Score:3, Interesting)
Right-wing leaders around the world are looking to the US and feeling emboldened to take authoritarian steps like this. In fact the US is probably just months away from looking a lot like Hungary.
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There's a lot of bad things to be said about the US, but this isn't one of them. Hungary was on an anti-LGBTQ+ warpath since before America showed the world how truly stupid it can be. The actual law introduced by Hungary was done early during Biden's term at a time where much of the world thought America came to its senses and the whole shenanigans of the previous Trump presidency was over for good.
The USA is irrelevant to Hungary.
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Hungary was on an anti-LGBTQ+ warpath since before America showed the world how truly stupid it can be.
If anything, the playbook on all this anti-LGBTQ+ stuff was written by Russia. In June 2012, Moscow courts enacted a hundred-year ban on gay pride parades.
Hell, I wouldn't be shocked if some of the so-called "Don't Say Gay" bills that a few red states have passed still have some of the original Cyrillic. For the record, Russia's national equivalent "Don't Say Gay" law passed in 2013.
Re: Emboldened by the US (Score:2)
Goal is to suppress political opposition not LGBT. (Score:5, Insightful)
This is not really about LGBT.
Orban built hate against LGBT and now is using this hate to introduce laws that will allow him persecute political opposition even more.
No longer see the point of them (Score:3, Interesting)
I no longer understand why people are holding Pride demonstrations. Back in the day before equality there was a reason, but now it seems to consist of a bunch of people in fetish gear celebrating, to who isn't clear, and why isn't clear, their sexual preferences. Do whatever you want, but why hold public celebrations of whatever it is you do.
When it was a matter of agitating for gay rights, then it was different. But back then of course the demos were dignified affairs with a political aim in view.
I don't have enough information to form a view on the situation in Hungary. The reaction seems a bit extreme.
Re:No longer see the point of them (Score:5, Insightful)
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>"The extreme reaction is actually the best proof of the point."
No, it isn't. The extreme reaction from most is to what happens, in public, at a lot of these "parades", often with lots of children present. If you haven't seen some of the "X rated" stuff, maybe you should research it and then will understand. Of course, not all parades are like that, but the amount is far from trivial.
Re: No longer see the point of them (Score:2)
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but why hold public celebrations of whatever it is you do
What kind of a sheltered life do you live where you don't hold public celebrations for all manner of things. Why do you keep launching fireworks on the 4th of July. That shit happened 100s of years ago. Stop being happy and joyous in public and get the fuck back in your sad house pleb!
Bet this will... (Score:3)
Sounds like a good case for anti-facial-recognitio (Score:2)
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And it was country much richer than Poland or Romania when Orban came to power...
Now standard of living in Poland is 20% higher and in Romania equal if not better...
Bur Orban's friends became very very rich, much richer than those in Poland or Romania...
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^This, well said
Sexual orientation (Hetero, Homo, Bi, and A -sexual) have absolutely NOTHING to do with trans, "queer", or most of the zillions of "+". It is utterly amazing this all gets lumped together as if there is some commonality.
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That might be true in the US, to an extent. In other countries (such as Hungary) you may find that even garden-variety homosexuals and lesbians face pushback even when keeping a low profile.
Re:1984? 2025! (Score:4, Interesting)
The problem with the "LGB" movement is that it's actually a coordinated divide-and-conquer attack by the right-wing. It's an attempt to turn LGBTQ+ folks on each other, then systematically attack all of our rights.
The need for unity among a diverse group is because minorities are stronger when we pool our collective resources. Yes, gays aren't the same as trans folks, but in a marginalized minority group, it's even more important to stick up for each others' rights so there'll be someone left to speak up for you. We relate to each others' plights, even if we personally walk vastly different paths.
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No projection at all in your post. Does that thought make you feel funny?
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That's self loathing because of the complexities of your denial, bro. That doesn't even take a lot of insight to see... you care so much about it and feel so liberated from your shame because you're 'proving' you're not attracted to them.
Most straight men who look at other men kissing don't give a crap. Have a think about it and then go look in the mirror.
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That's self loathing because of the complexities of your denial, bro.
As an actual gay man, I'd like to point out that it's entirely possible for someone to be entirely heterosexual and still homophobic. It's ironic how no one ever gets accused of being a "closet black" when they say something racist, but say something anti-gay and...
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That's self loathing because of the complexities of your denial, bro.
As an actual gay man, I'd like to point out that it's entirely possible for someone to be entirely heterosexual and still homophobic. It's ironic how no one ever gets accused of being a "closet black" when they say something racist, but say something anti-gay and...
As an actual straight man, I'd like to point out that it's entirely possible for someone to be entirely heterosexual and not homoPHOBIC. Nothing about your preferences scares me in the slightest, I just don't think we should be celebrating it with parades. Especially not sexually explicit ones which, unfortuantely because homoSEXUALITY is all about sex, is what they all devolve to.
Re: Yes but... (Score:2)
The word "homoPHOBIC" used to throw me too, until I realized, for example, hydrophobic materials aren't AFRAID of water, they resist or repel it.
Homophobic people aren't afraid of gay people, they resist or repel them.
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#notallstraigntmen, amiright?
I just don't think we should be celebrating it with parades.
Until gay people are treated equally to the year of us, then that's a pretty homophobic thing to say, frankly. An oppressed minority absolutely has the right to celebrate their existence and fight against oppression.
And beyond that... why not? As a major side effect of oppression and social isolation, a distinct culture has sprung up, and why is that culture less worth celebrating than any other?
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How do you feel about events like Mardi Gras (with the beads and breast flashing) or things like cheerleaders at sports games which are both definitely sex based? Bare Breasts and outfits designed to look sexy to men and all that.
Re: Just think about it. (Score:2)
What you want doesn't matter.
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Do you really want to see two gnarly dudes French kissing in public? Not me, if I want to keep my lunch down.
The old Goatse site used to have a really great disclaimer that applies here: If it offends you, don't look at it.
Re: Just think about it. (Score:2)
Re: Just think about it. (Score:3)
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The whole point of goatse was for trolls to trick people into looking at it as often as possible.
Re: Just think about it. (Score:4, Funny)
Who's forcing you to look at them? What is this clockwork fruit bullshit you are talking? Got your eyes clipped open, drama queen?
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I believe and see prove the typical anti LGBTQ+ person is someone who doubts his own sexuality.
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Really, now? I hear that a zero multiplied by anything else is still zero.
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And you in the USA are using Hungary and all those other places as a testing ground for this type of shit.
I think you have it backwards. I remember Trump name dropping Orban during the presidential debates with Harris and Orban repeatedly stopping to visit with Trump before even having taken office.
I assumed Orban was running a back channel to Moscow and helping Trump wage a coup against the US given the parallels to the crap Trump is trying now and what went down in Hungary not the other way around.
You in the USA are encouraging what's happening in Hungary, Israel, Eastern Germany.
As the saying goes elect a clown expect a circus.
Some of the Hungarians are resisting.
Unlike you in the US. You are lying back and trying to enjoy it.
There have been thousands of protests in the US in the last mon
Re: 1984? 2025! (Score:2)
That's not about testing anything. It's about making the world safe for dictators again.
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Like governors who seize autocratic power and bypass their legislature and state constitution even after their supreme court orders them to immediately cease and desist?
Like AGs who violate court orders to release innocent men so they can continue profiting from prison slave labor?
Like prime ministers who illegally invoke emergency war powers without parliamentary debate so they can trample peaceful protestors with cavalry and seize the bank accounts of anyone who even sold them hot chocolate in the middle
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Like prime ministers [...] you definitely have a track record of supporting totalitarianism.
My country doesn't have prime ministers. What the fuck are you on about?
That said, I didn't claim my country wasn't headed towards full dictatorship, I'm just not sure you know which one we're talking about.
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Now, if you want to talk testing ground, American Evangelicals have been pouring millions of dollars and support into various african power structures and testing out their anti-lgbt stuff there.
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It is the same logic by which the US is blaming Ukraine for the war unleashed on her by putin's unterempire.
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It's like the people who when you tell them that trans people without gender-affirming care have a 50% suicide rate they think that it's better to just let them kill themselves.
Trans tend to have mental health issues which predispose them to higher than background rate of suicide. There is tenuous at best evidence of linkages between sex change and impact on suicide prevention. The 50% rate is absurd on its face and completely unmoored from reality not unlike most of the crazy shit you post here.
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Trans tend to have mental health issues which predispose them to higher than background rate of suicide.
And you think that is unconnected to what they go through growing up like that?
There is tenuous at best evidence of linkages between sex change and impact on suicide prevention.
You're not wrong here.
The 50% rate is absurd on its face and completely unmoored from reality not unlike most of the crazy shit you post here.
It's not far, as long as you caveat it.
Ideation and attempts, not success.
I honestly don't know how I feel about gender affirming care for minors... but what I do know is that there is a cost in fucking lives to passing laws that are arguably trying to remove these kids from existence, and that has been measured.
They are cruelly bullied, and their suicide rate is through the roof, almost certainly as a c
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While I don't have any particular opinion on the main issue either way, this is a little bit of a case of playing tricks with statistics.
"It's not far, as long as you caveat it. Ideation and attempts, not success"
Since there can't be a suicide attempt without ideation, and there can't be actual suicide without an attempt, what you are really saying here is that the 50% rate is actually measuring ideation. Therefore it is actuall measuring ideation - the parent poster claiming a 50% suicide rate is misleadi
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While I don't have any particular opinion on the main issue either way, this is a little bit of a case of playing tricks with statistics.
No, it's not.
But I have a feeling you're about to.
Since there can't be a suicide attempt without ideation, and there can't be actual suicide without an attempt, what you are really saying here is that the 50% rate is actually measuring ideation. Therefore it is actuall measuring ideation - the parent poster claiming a 50% suicide rate is misleading.
Parent was misleading. Hence the point about the caveats.
Reducing it to ideation is also wrong, since some percentage of it are worse than that- attempts.
You have just done exactly what you've accused me of doing. Rather, what we have both done, is not played "tricks with statistics", we have given a quantity, and an unknown breakdown of what exactly that quantity includes- because neither of us know. We could probably look and fine out.
It is also meaningless without a baseline to compare against. If the 50% suicide ideation rate is correct, then how does it compare againt the rate for all people of a similar age/profile?
I think it's aroun
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Morning,
I apologise if I came across as being argumentative. It wasn't my intention. I genuinely don't have an opinion on the subject, I was just annoying by whagt appear to be a fairly blatant use of bad statistics (on this site that sort of thing would usually take up about 75% of any thread).
For what it's worth, I'm not the original poster. I probably shouldn't have got invovled in the conversation, but you're holding my post to account for what the parent poster said, and getting a bit personal about it
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Almost impossible to do on a subject like this. For any question you ask you get abot 5 different contradictory answers, and so all you can do is choose which one you "trust" the most. At best all you do is end up picking the one that reinforces what you already thought.
Fair.
Let's put it this way.
If you don't think kids like this are bullied more than others,
If you don't think kids like this are rejected by their parents more than others,
If you don't think bullied kids commit suicide at a higher rate,
If you don't think kids who are rejected by their parents commit suicide at a higher rate,
If you don't think kids being the target of a movement to illegitimize, socially and legally, aspects of themselves that they feel they have no control over commit suicide at a hig
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>"And you think that is unconnected to what they go through growing up like that?"
I can't speak for that poster. But I will say absolutely. Very little connection.
>"I honestly don't know how I feel about gender affirming care for minors...
It is actually more like gender non-affirming "care", but I am completely against it for minors. Adults can do what they like. The vast majority of gender-confused minors completely resolve without any intervention once puberty is complete.
>"what I do know is t
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Europe won't fall just because the US does. At this point, sad to say, it's looking like it will be up to the EU and China to contain the US and limit the damage, at least for the next 4 years. Then hope for a reset.
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>"There's people on this forum right here who would be in support of this."
Well, doesn't include me. I think the idea of having "Pride" in sexual orientation is ridiculous. Especially since it is just a mostly uncontrollable trait. It would be like having "Pride" in having a certain skin color or height. But banning associations, free speech, or protests is absolutely abhorrent. It has no place in a free society, unless it is promoting [actual] violence.
>"It's like the people who when you tell th
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I didn't find it ridiculous.
If you're part of a minority facing discrimination then it's a pretty obvious statement of your right to exist.
And the thing is gender dysphoria is a recognized condition. You can't make it go away by criticizing it. While there are a lot of subtle points and an ethical minefield, you're attitude is about as useless as the one you decry.
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>I didn't find it ["Pride" parades] ridiculous. If you're part of a minority facing discrimination
We are all a minority of one and there is all kinds of rational and irrational discrimination. That doesn't mean one needs "Pride" in something.
>"then it's a pretty obvious statement of your right to exist."
That is such hyperbole. "Right to exist" was never in doubt. It is a trigger phrase to dismiss any criticism of behavior.
>"And the thing is gender dysphoria is a recognized condition."
Indeed it
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We are all a minority of one
You're being a tool.
and there is all kinds of rational and irrational discrimination. That doesn't mean one needs "Pride" in something.
There has historically been and still is a substantial amount of irrational discrimination against LGBTQ people. Don't try and prevaricate your way around that.
That is such hyperbole. "Right to exist" was never in doubt.
Don't rewrite history. This is patently false.
Where have I criticized gender dysphoria or people with it? What I criticize are th
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It's like the people who when you tell them that trans people without gender-affirming care have a 50% suicide rate they think that it's better to just let them kill themselves.
How far does that rate drop post-op?
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trans people without gender-affirming care have a 50% suicide rate
50%? We've told you a million times: Don't exaggerate.
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Nobody under the age of adulthood should be given any form of body modifying treatment
There was at least one kid in school who, if you looked at him, was clearly not a "he." He was, in outward appearances, a he, but you just knew he was a biological stew that got the ingredients messed up. If he'd come into school one day and said he was now a she, I don't think any of us would've been the least bit surprised. And this was decades ago; well before it was fashionable to be trans. Kids going through that, and kids watching from the sidelines, can tell. I kinda-sorta agree with the "behin
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If uptight people weren't so uptight and just minded their own fkn business - or just came out of the closet and accepted themselves as they are - gays wouldn't have to march.
This is exactly why we have a feces and needle problem in all our major cities: you just can't have any basic standard of morality at all - about anything ever - without being accused of being "uptight" and "closeted." Is it possible that some people just want to have a cohesive, functional society where they have a reasonable idea of how to properly interact with each other? What you want is a society that's like dial up internet, but for which we've declared all the handshaking we used to hear as "uptig
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you just can't have any basic standard of morality at all
Riddle me this, Batman: whose "morality"?
What I want is a society where people mind their own business, if it isn't hurting them. Your sort judges people, and you're terrified of anything that you don't consider "normal," whether or not it's actually threatening or hurting you. Weird haircuts bother you. Why? Homosexuality bothers you. Why? You know what I do when I see someone wearing an outfit that I don't personally agree with? I keep walking, because it ain't my business. If things like that
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Nobody under the age of adulthood should be given any form of body modifying treatment, they should be prevented, as children, from taking any type of hormones, that cripple them, they definitely shouldn't have ability to receive any of this behind the backs of their parents regardless if your idiotic ideas.
Puberty blockers are reversible, and no reputable doctor will recommend surgery for a minor. The belief that there's some kind of epidemic of kids being "trans'd" is entirely manufactured out of the right-wing's desire to turn back the clock on all LGBTQ+ rights. They literally admit as much. [youtube.com]
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>"Puberty blockers are reversible"
That is very debatable. I have seen many studies that clearly indicate there are lasting negative physical effects. Even more in which there is not enough known. And there are certainly going to be psychological effects. It is not something to take lightly.
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Can't argue with that, er, logic!
You didn't try to argue with what was being said, you imagined something else and then attacked it. Typical phobic behavior designed to self-soothe.
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Pride is NOT banned as of yet
Why do you trolls keep lying in about the dumbest manner possible?
This peaceful assembly has been banned.
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/0... [cnn.com]
This is a ban in violation of the constitution of Hungary, of the EU treaties that it has ratified and of the UN principles, upon acceptance of which it is a member of the UN.
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I see that any "sources" that would confirm your claim are notably missing from your otherwise high quality post.
Good jorb, Laszlo.
Re:Read local sources, not the guardian (Score:5, Informative)
Aaand the first thing we see in the act is...
A törvény a gyülekezési jogról szóló törvényt egészíti ki azzal, hogy tilos az olyan gylés megtartása, amely a gyermekek
védelmérl szóló törvényben meghatározott tilalmat sért.
which roughly translates to...
The Act supplements the Act on the right of assembly by prohibiting the holding of an assembly that violates the prohibition specified in the Act on the protection of children.
... And we're done.
You lied and the act you said doesn't ban a peaceful public assembly actually bans it.
So, again, Laszlo, why are you lying in the dumbest possible manner?
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So, again, Laszlo, why are you lying in the dumbest possible manner?
Because he only gets news from official sources being untrusting of independent third parties. I think you being an independent third party are posting irrelevant noise (even if it happens to be 100% verifiable true, and completely contradicts what he says).
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Yeah, that must be it. It is always my fault *sob*
But I'm curious if the discussion with that account will continue on the topic of child safety from teh ghey.
I think it is incoming.
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But of course. And then they go to anonymous trolling, because it still brings them the 15 roubles or forints or dollars or whatever.
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Your presumption then is that
No, this is the presumption of the law that you quote.
I only pointed out that it restricts the right of peaceful assembly, something you claim it doesn't.
That is, I showed unambiguously and with a quote from your own source that you're making shit up.
That's all.
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I fail to see your point.
Of course you don't.
I've never met a shill who sees the point of anyone but the party they're shilling for.
And it is always the same song - pleading for "dignity".
I'm curious when did little viktor learn about "dignity". Was it back when he was a KISZ titkár?
Re:Read local sources, not the guardian (Score:4, Interesting)
Your presumption then is that this Pride event would inevitably violate the prohibition on the protection of children?
That's the idea we get from reading Orban's declarations in the foreign (non-Hungarian) press. Indeed, we find declarations like:
* "the LGBTQ+ parade, “will not take place in a public form” this year." https://www.independent.co.uk/... [independent.co.uk]
* "organisers should not even bother to plan the event this year, saying in a speech it would be a 'waste of time and money'." https://www.politico.eu/articl... [politico.eu]
Feel free to 1) correct if this was not a faithful account of Orban's words)" or 2) le me know what's wrong with the pictures of the Budapest parade above, or this one https://www.independent.co.uk/... [independent.co.uk] such that it shouldn't be allowed in Budapest. I see people waving colourful flags. Children in Hungary are shocked at the sight of colourful flags?
If Orban believed there would be a way for the pride to not violate the prohibition, and acting in good faith to also protect the rights of the LGBTQ+ people to peacefully protest , then the Government of Hungary would be right now in discussion with the leaders of such movement to find a solution. Where are the pictures of Orban shaking hands with the LGBTQ+ leaders of Hungary trying to find a solution to preserve the rights of both parties? Here how it's done: picture of Macron posing with an LGBT dance troupe at the Élysée Palace https://www.telegraph.co.uk/ne... [telegraph.co.uk]
First his declarations would be more specific about what should be done to still allow the Pride to happen. Maybe nudity shouldn't be allowed? Maybe certain disguises? Maybe plan for a a more limited path through Budapest? Maybe exclude areas close to schools (where presumably children live). Maybe request the Pride to include guards in the front and ensure children are safely re-routed if they happen to be in the street? There are plenty of solutions. Even, another simple solution is to not allow the children in the streets on that day. It's only one day.
they just changed the constitution to include more protective measures against public indecency.
This is shocking. The purpose of constitution is to describe how a system of government works, e.g. what are the tasks of the President, the duration of the term, the relations with other institutions. Protection of children has no reason to be added. If anything, a Constitution would add in broad terms "our constitutions protects the rights of children", leaving the rest to regular legislation, which can be changed easily. The purpose of including this in the Constitution are:
1) ensure that the measure survives even if the opposition narrowly wins a future election;
2) "theatre", impress the minds.
The "theatre" part is a very important part of the authoritarian governmental method, in a way to preserve the appearances. Here we call that FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt). It's the same as how one *CAN* be candidate at the Russian Presidential elections so Russia can claim to be a Republic, but in practice the roadblocks prevent it. Here we don't ban the Pride, oh no! Because that would look bad with our foreign friends. Instead, we bully people into believing it's banned, and we can declare we "only" changed the Constitution to reduce the rights of some community so we "protect the children". Like every Tuesday, countries of the world change their Constitutions to protect the children. Looks like a very normal thing to do.
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Laszlo, don't make me laugh.
Post that law as well and I'll show you why.
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then your opinion would be at least based on something official,
Ah yes, news about the government from official sources. That's bound to be fair and not at all biased in favour officialdom.
instead of relying on third parties stating whatever they want to.
You appear to be unfamiliar with the concept of freedom of the press. The press is meant to hold the government to account, not parrot their bullshit.
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That's a most bizarre non sequitur.
Being in favor of free press over blindly trusting official sources is something of a geographically independent position. It doesn't really have much to do with the environs of the country either. I'm also a little unclear as to why you think living 20km from the border means that blind trust in official sources is somehow good. Do you blindly trust Orban's words?
But you are asking someone who lives in Europe if they know where Hungary is. What do you think?
Anyhow it seem
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Do you even know where Hungary is? It is in the middle of Europe and a very nice country.
And it was a lot nicer a decade and a half ago, before the fat little friend of putin took over and broke it.
Can I ask you a question? I keep seeing a lot of drivel from you recently and it is making me mildly curious, which country are you writing from.
Now that you mention 30km from Hungary, it is very likely to be Vienna.
Is your work desk at Reisnerstrasse 45 perhaps?
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Fake law passed only to introduce surveillance and be able to use it against political opposition against the law....
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The science of children seeing this shit and not being affected is inconclusive and that's enough for me to be 1000% against public display of sexuality whether it's straight, gay or anything in between. People's brains aren't fully formed until the age of 25 and it's funny how you are happy to expo
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you realise kids now access to something called "the internet", from a very young age, and with very little supervision ? This is not the worst they will have seen by age 10....