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Government AI The Almighty Buck

Trump To Announce Up To $500 Billion In AI Infrastructure Investment 85

According to CBS News, President Trump plans to announce billions of dollars in private sector investment to build AI infrastructure in the United States. From the report: OpenAI, Softbank and Oracle are planning a joint venture called Stargate, according to multiple people familiar with the deal. SoftBank CEO Masayoshi Son is expected at the White House Tuesday afternoon, along with Sam Altman of OpenAI and Larry Ellison of Oracle. Executives from the companies are expected to say they plan to commit $100 billion initially and pour up to $500 billion into Stargate over the next four years.

Other details of the new partnership were not immediately available. Stargate will start with a data center project in Texas, sources said, and eventually expand to other states. Other investors are expected to join the venture, but it was not immediately clear which ones.
Further reading: Scale AI CEO To Trump: 'America Must Win the AI War'

Trump To Announce Up To $500 Billion In AI Infrastructure Investment

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  • One of the benefits of the rapid growth of AI is how it could spur more innovation and demand for more reliable and ideally carbon-neutral or carbon free power, which really means nuclear. Renewables will get their place too, but my own, admittedly distant, perspective is that renewables are not consistently reliable enough. Whether or not LLMs and AI are going to really be the value proposed remains to be seen, but the knock on effect on nuclear power could be really positive.
    • by Martin Blank ( 154261 ) on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @06:15PM (#65107709) Homepage Journal

      It will mean more renewable in some states, delayed coal retirements in other states, and more natgas in almost every state. The time required to build a nuclear plant even on an accelerated schedule is too long to have any effect. Small modular reactors will be faster to build, but almost no one will want them anywhere close, so they'll get caught up in litigation and regulatory battles.

      • Maybe this will help push forward the design of modular reactors that can be hauled on a truck bed, dropped into place and wired in? Something that passes the inspections at the factory, then just needs to be transported to the destination site and fueled? IIRC, Toshiba has been working on things like this, perhaps we may see these powering rural SuperCharger stations, or other items which would be a heavy grid draw.

        • by MachineShedFred ( 621896 ) on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @06:31PM (#65107755) Journal

          It would not be "transported to the destination site and fueled" - it would be fueled at the factory and sealed. That's exactly what Toshiba was looking to do. When you need to "refuel" you would install a second one next to the first, bring it to criticality and cut over, and then haul the old one out and Toshiba takes it back for recycling.

          The SMR designs from NuScale et. al. are more permanent and require construction of sufficient plant around the modular reactor to not make portability feasible on any scale smaller than a naval application.

          • That is even better. Just drop, plug in and go from there. Less idiocy that can happen on site.

            Maybe these would be useful for rural towns, not just for grid integrity, but to allow EV charging in areas where even with HVDC, it would be prohibitively expensive to string high voltage wires. It also would be useful for farmers, where many farm vehicles could be replaced by EVs powered ny one of these in a nearby town, or if the farm is big enough, onsite.

            Energy is money, and the more available energy, the

          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            by MacMann ( 7518492 )

            The SMR designs from NuScale et. al. are more permanent and require construction of sufficient plant around the modular reactor to not make portability feasible on any scale smaller than a naval application.

            Perhaps rather than float in the reactor we just float in the entire power plant. Russia is experimenting with this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

            I've seen a few different variations on floating in a prefabricated nuclear fission reactor core and they look appealing. To make that work means having ships that are shielded for radiation, and lifting a very radioactive core into it once the fuel is depleted. It may be wiser to simply leave the core on the ship when at the site needing power then only r

            • by tragedy ( 27079 ) on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:41PM (#65108141)

              Perhaps rather than float in the reactor we just float in the entire power plant. Russia is experimenting wibinth this.

              And it only took about 13 years and was only about six times its original budget. Based on the numbers in the Wikipedia article, it cost $414 million in US dollars and, since it was officially commissioned, it has produced about as much power as 30 3 MW wind turbines would have (at a typical 35% capacity factor). In US dollars, 30 3 MW wind turbines would cost about $73 million. Bear in mind of course, that's based on the US cost, Wind turbines may well be cheaper in Russia. Either way, wind turbines would be at least one fifth the price, and probably lower ongoing costs versus a ship with a nuclear reactor. Not to mention they could be put up in probably a few months.

              So, overall, while a power ship certainly has its uses for emergency situations, as a general power solution this does not look all that practical or cost effective. Especially so if the location that needs power is land-locked.

    • which really means nuclear.

      You need to get a grip on reality.

      Nuclear has a 20-year lead time, and recent nukes (Vogtle, Hinkley, Flamanville) are four times the price of wind and solar. The Summer plant in SC was canceled halfway to completion after squandering $3 billion when it was obvious it would never produce power economically.

      New nukes are not a solution for data centers coming online in the next five years.

      • It is tiresome to have the argument that nuclear takes 20 years to build from nuclear opponents when the sole reason that it takes twenty years is the amount of red tape and lawsuits that the opponent has put in place to prevent nuclear reactors to be built
    • by rossdee ( 243626 )

      A Naquadah generator should do for a while, but in the long run we may have to go to a ZPM

      • Got to go through the dangerous Naquadria phase first, though. That'll put ZPM development back by a few decades while the subsidy payments get ironed out. Plenty of time to outlaw reading and writing for the workers.

      • You have the most insightful reply to my post. You're 100% correct.
  • Hmm... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @06:12PM (#65107695)

    Based on earlier stories, is this another grift from the Orange One?

    • Re:Hmm... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Martin Blank ( 154261 ) on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @06:16PM (#65107713) Homepage Journal

      Given that money can now be funneled to him via one or more cryptocurrencies with effectively no oversight, expect everything to be a grift.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      is this another grift from the Orange One?

      Lying and grifting is the only thing he knows how to do. Lots of big announcements. Zero concrete results.

      A year or two from now, when this project is long since scrapped and forgotten, if anyone asks him about it he will blame someone else. Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

    • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

      Based on earlier stories, is this another grift from the Orange One?

      It's partially a sort of reverse influence peddling. The tech industry has always been pretty negative towards the Republican Party, but the best way to get the industry (albeit not the employees) on board is to literally buy their loyalty by giving them huge grants.

      But mostly, the party that brought us the military-industrial complex is probably just repeating the process with tech and AI, creating a giant diversion of funds from useful programs to their C-suite buddies, who in turn will use it to pump up

  • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @06:15PM (#65107705)

    Who's gonna pay for it... Mexico?

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      The same people who thought Haitians were eating pets and complained about the price of eggs.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by dfghjk ( 711126 )

      They'll pay for it with the SS trust fund once they cancel benefits.

    • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

      Don's probably making up big numbers due to his hyperbole habit. "It'll be yuuuuge, gazillion billion covfefetillian dollars! The biggest AI ever seen!"

  • Defender fits his style better.

  • Let me rephrase (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ArchieBunker ( 132337 ) on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @06:23PM (#65107725)

    Trump redistributes tax dollars to billionaires who pay little (if any taxes).

    No news of grocery prices or inflation reduction? Isn't that why he was elected?

    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      I just bought some eggs, and they're still expensive despite his executive orders.

      It's possible he doesn't have the power he thinks he does. We definitely know he doesn't have the power his idiot base thinks he does.

      • Re:Let me rephrase (Score:5, Insightful)

        by garyisabusyguy ( 732330 ) on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @06:38PM (#65107787)

        >>It's possible he doesn't have the power he thinks he does

        Except that he knows his real power is to lie constantly while his followers suck it up like candy

        • by Anonymous Coward

          while his followers suck it up like candy

          That's ... not a candy cane.

      • I just bought some eggs, and they're still expensive despite his executive orders.

        Trump has been sworn into office only hours ago, can you at least give it a week before complaints on his ineptitude in office?

        • no. He was beyond inept 4 years ago and he is more openly corrupt and going senile. He ignored laws and the constitution ONLY HOURS AGO. Ethics was gone completely shaking down 250 million..300? for an event he canceled and left his people out in the cold who did show up... and it really wasn't that cold. His diaper wouldn't have even frozen!

    • Where did you get the idea it would be funded from tax dollars?
      • Where else is the money coming from?

        • According to the summary, "OpenAI, Softbank and Oracle". So this isn't Trump redistributing tax dollars, it's just Trump taking credit for something that he has nothing to do with.
          • In fact since reading this story I read somewhere else Larry Ellison said several of the datacenters included in this figure are already under construction, so this has been in the works for years.
      • Whoever modded that down and the know-nothing response up is really stupid. Put on your thinking cap and read the story. Look at the words that are there and see what they mean, instead of using your imagination. You can do it.
    • No news of grocery prices or inflation reduction? Isn't that why he was elected?

      That was part of his inauguration speech.

    • Nope that's not why (Score:4, Interesting)

      by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @07:39PM (#65108011)
      Trump was elected for two reasons.

      The first is the Democrats insisted on running a woman. Preliminary research indicates just being a woman caused Harris 2 to 3 points. It's not a problem all the way up to the Senate but once you get top of ticket there is a substantial number of voters who will not vote for a woman under any circumstances and virtually no voters who are motivated to vote for a woman because of her sex.

      Furthermore the Democrats did nothing to stop Republican voters suppression. We had multi-hour wait times to vote in Blue districts in swing states. Pennsylvania was particularly insane with waits going up to 7 hours. This is especially insane because in theory the Democrats control the elections because they controlled most of the secretaries of state and even the attorneys general. They could have done something about it but they just thought everyone was going to vote by mail or early so they didn't care and the Republicans took control of the local voting districts and did what they always did and send too few or broken voting machines to blue leaning districts.

      I don't know if we are going to have another election or not. Not a real one anyway. But if we do the Democrats need to fucking learn. No more women at top of ticket. The voters have spoken and they said no. And they need to do something about how hard it is to vote on election Day if you're not voting red
    • by Cyberax ( 705495 )

      No news of grocery prices or inflation reduction? Isn't that why he was elected?

      I thought that he finished the war in Ukraine already! Isn't that enough for you?!?

  • Goodbye US, your bonds spent decades crawling towards being insolvent, now the fantasy is at it's breaking point.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    That's what this translates as.
    AI is over-hyped crapware.
    $500,000,000,000 could fix all sorts of real problems in this country, but oh no no no, let's hand it to Trumps billionaire buddies as a reward for backing him.
    Of course Trump couldn't give a flying fuck about this money, because it's not his money, he's stealing it from taxpayers like you and I, which is his favorite pastime: stealing from people.
    Remember, """Republicans""": We voted for Harris, all that happens now is YOUR FAULT and we won't eve
  • This private industry investment was happening regardless. These billionaires just wanted to let Trump get the credit in exchange for something.
  • Unrelated to what's being done not to mention being a 20-year-old TV show
  • by MachineShedFred ( 621896 ) on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @06:47PM (#65107827) Journal

    Remember when the Republican Party kept wanting to pass a balanced budget amendment? The "Contract with America" and all that in the late 90s? Then remember when a Republican got elected President and put two wars on the national credit card while cutting taxes?

    Remember when the Republican Party was vehemently opposed to "corporate welfare" handouts during the Obama years while constantly going on about government spending with tired and wildly inaccurate "balance your checkbook" metaphors? And then in 4 years they stacked more debt on the national credit card than every previous President behind them managed in 8 years?

    Remember when the Republican Party would balk at every debt limit increase, creating financial instability through the mere suggestion of letting the US Treasury default on debt and constantly cry and moan about deficit spending during the Obama years, somehow falling oddly quiet from 2017 to 2021, and then resuming the debt clamor for the Biden administration? To wit: not raising or suspending the debt ceiling on the CR just like a week ago.

    $10 says when they put together their reconciliation package with all their partisan bullshit and pork tributes to Trump's tech-bro oligarchy - a package that under no circumstances would ever get cloture under normal Senate rules - it will also include a suspension of the debt ceiling so they don't have to take any more votes on raising it and having to explain to their constituents why they have to keep raising it when they were told how Elon and Vivek were going to cut trillions, but the budget deficit just keeps getting bigger from handing out the corporate welfare like candy.

    And when (if?) Trump leaves office and is replaced by a Democrat, we'll start hearing about the debt ceiling again and how it's all the Democrats' fault that Trump managed to rack up trillions in debt by increasing spending while cutting taxes on corporations and the uber-wealthy. We need to cut spending NOW!

    All of this has happened before, and it will all happen again. Mostly because there is a subsection of voters that can't see the pattern and still buy the bullshit.

    • What you are missing (or just conveniently glossing over) is that he believes we can grow the economy as a way to get out of deficit. And that is entirely possible and has precedence. I am not positive it will work this time, but it likely will. For a while. The problem is that unlimited growth is not sustainable, so the responsible thing to do would be to grow while also starting to roll back expenses along with it to ride out the non-growth period that will eventually come. And that might also happen

      • Omg hes going to fill his pockets with sweet public cash. You are screwed, and stop telling yourself otherwise.
      • Except the budget deficit is 7%, which means the US would have to grow by 7% just to stay in the same place. And that’s definitely not happening. It’s all smoke and mirrors to cover up deficit spending which we will have to reckon with eventually..
        • I keep getting 6.2%, not 7. Which is a $250B difference and roughly an eighth of that deficit.

          But you're looking at it wrong anyway- the key is not total debt, nor the rate that the total debt rises, but the service cost on the debt and its rate of change. There, we're not even breaking 3% of GDP, well within the possibility of something that could be funded by growth. Especially considering that we hold some of our own debt, meaning that a bunch of that 3% is nothing but redistribution and ripe for tax po
    • by Luthair ( 847766 )
      The only time the republican party cares about a deficit, or the debt is when they aren't running the show.
      • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

        Don murdered previous GOP and stole their elephant costume. GOP's now a cult ran by a giant orange toddler.

    • The democrats dont even bother with the debt any more. The last president to reduce the deficit was Bill Clinton. Yeah, he was a smarmy icky guy who enjoyed diddling interns under the table, but he put in a lot of effort and discipline, and spent a lot of political capital to run a budget surplus over his 8 years. And the next president was Bush, who blew every penny Clinton had saved in a surprisingly short amount of time. And the democrats were like “welp, that was unrewarding, we’re not gonna
  • by Thelasko ( 1196535 ) on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @07:15PM (#65107953) Journal
    This has been known for months. [techradar.com] The only news is Trump is involved.
    • Thelasko with a good post. Story 6 months ago. Little more info revealed. The new commie-pinko esq scare is losing AI race. Highly speculative. AI will evolve and world will adapt. China or Russia are unlikely to take over due to AI advancements. There will be leap frogging. These AI ventures will need to sell the services to fund the enormous investments. Then an advancement will come along making some portions obsolete. Much hoopla but time will tell. Lots of potential for AI so best of luck to them. Cu
  • Instead of calling it Collosus (The Forbin Project) it will be called Stargate.
  • So... not his personal money, not his legislative agenda, not his deal, not his plan, not even his idea. Just announced in his hallway.

  • "So, what's the closest we can name this thing to 'skynet' without freaking people out?"

    "What about 'stargate'?"

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