Executive Order Delays TikTok Ban For 75 Days 59
President Donald Trump signed an executive order today delaying the TikTok ban for 75 days. The Verge reports: The order, issued on Trump's first day of office, is meant to effectively extend the deadline established by The Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act for ByteDance to sell its stake by undercutting penalties on American companies like Apple and Google working with TikTok. It directs the Attorney General "not to take any action to enforce the Act for a period of 75 days from today to allow my Administration an opportunity to determine the appropriate course forward in an orderly way." The AG is supposed to "issue a letter to each provider stating that there has been no violation of the statute and that there is no liability for any conduct that occurred."
The order furthermore instructs the Department of Justice to "take no action to enforce the Act or impose any penalties against any entity for any noncompliance with the Act" and says they should be barred from doing so "for any conduct that occurred during the above-specified period or any period prior to the issuance of this order, including the period of time from January 19, 2025, to the signing of this order." It remains unclear whether Trump can legally pause the ban. It's also unclear how he plans to enforce a 50 percent "joint venture" ownership with the company, a move he announced on Sunday.
The order furthermore instructs the Department of Justice to "take no action to enforce the Act or impose any penalties against any entity for any noncompliance with the Act" and says they should be barred from doing so "for any conduct that occurred during the above-specified period or any period prior to the issuance of this order, including the period of time from January 19, 2025, to the signing of this order." It remains unclear whether Trump can legally pause the ban. It's also unclear how he plans to enforce a 50 percent "joint venture" ownership with the company, a move he announced on Sunday.
Much law and order in the US (Score:2)
So justice, real freedom. Totally no deep state.
Re: Much law and order in the US (Score:2)
Just say no to vertical videos.
Re: Much law and order in the US (Score:5, Interesting)
Cannot. Those Nazi salutes look much better in a vertical video.
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I'm sure the courts will figure out if there's been some executive overreach.
I can hear it now, "But Trump appointed three justices to SCOTUS, and might potentially appoint a 4th or 5th justice before his term ends, there's no liberty in a system where the judged has hand picked their judges!"
I have a few points to deal with such a complaint. First is that elections have consequences and we got here from a series of events that go back more than 200 years, if the system is broken then maybe someone should
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Yes, the courts in a Nazi state are totally independent and free. Happened in all of them.
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The government in the USA isn't perfect but I'm thinking that life in America is about as good as it gets on Earth.
Yeah, if you're cisgender, straight, white, Christian, male, can afford health insurance, and aren't reliant upon TikTok for earning a living, America is the bee's knees.
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All the Trump administration is doing is strategically failing to enforce a law, which is no different than what the Obama administration did with DACA (for example). DACA set a horrible precedent for future Presidential administrations.
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You forget the Federalist Society which is devoted to seeing as many Fascists in the courts as they can cram. These judges do not care one whit about the Constitution or the American People.
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I'm sure the courts will figure out if there's been some executive overreach.
The courts granted him that overreach. https://www.supremecourt.gov/o... [supremecourt.gov]
So...who gets it (Score:5, Insightful)
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Trump, but not directly.
I predict TikTok will bend to his will and effectively become a Trump media company without a sale.
They'll agree to stop sending data to China, some audits n such, and tilt the algorithms in his favor.
That's my prediction based on the delay and TikTok being invited to the inauguration.
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Trump, but not directly.
I predict TikTok will bend to his will and effectively become a Trump media company without a sale.
They'll agree to stop sending data to China, some audits n such, and tilt the algorithms in his favor.
Will tilt the algorithms in his favour? They are already doing that. Trump thrives on adulation, he will not starve.
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Trump, but not directly.
I predict TikTok will bend to his will and effectively become a Trump media company without a sale.
They'll agree to stop sending data to China, some audits n such, and tilt the algorithms in his favor.
Will tilt the algorithms in his favour? They are already doing that. Trump thrives on adulation, he will not starve.
Right. Funny how he made fun of it with very punctual phrases for years and years. Now, he gets info that it actually helped those who voted for him communicate. That means it's a must-have now.
"Why were we talking about this in the first place? Security? Security of my 'biggest in the world' finances? No? Then SHUT UP. I know more than anyone ever has about this. Get me more praises but don't touch my hair."
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Trump, but not directly.
I predict TikTok will bend to his will and effectively become a Trump media company without a sale.
They'll agree to stop sending data to China, some audits n such, and tilt the algorithms in his favor.
That's my prediction based on the delay and TikTok being invited to the inauguration.
All about money and popularity. I can't wait to see them stop sending data back to China. That will be the complete solution of the problem to all those involved.
Well, except for those who have access to the data and just change the method they send it back to China.
Money laundering has been a "thing" for so long but needs to be modernized. Not only will the data be sent to a foreign adversary, but will be the first in history to make a new daily-use phrase in the tech industry out of something horrible.
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They'll agree to stop sending data to China, some audits n such, and tilt the algorithms in his favor.
I believe ByteDance is still based in China, in which case they can't do that. If CCP wants them to keep sending data back to China, they'll keep sending it back to China or very bad things will happen to the CEO and other senior management. They would have to sell. Maybe Musk will end up buying them.
Re:So...who gets it (Score:5, Funny)
Trump, Musk, or Zuckerberg ???
If Elon gets it, he'll probably rename it "TiXToX" or "XicXoc" ... :-)
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If Elon gets it, he'll probably rename it "TiXToX" or "XicXoc" ... :-)
And if he wants to waste more of his money buying yet another platform I don't use*, more power to him. He'll probably end up ruining it like he did to Twitter, but death by enshitification has become almost an internet tradition at this point.
* Seriously, even for all the bitching I've done recently about the ban, I don't even have a TikTok account. It's entirely the concept that the US government deplatformed 170 million Americans by attaching the ban as a rider to a foreign aid bill that really trouble
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The only argument I've heard that made sense of a Tik-Tok ban was made (repeated?) by Jimmy Kimmel. The argument is that China plays a long game and youngins using it now will eventually become the people who populate industries and government in years to come, and that China will then have plenty of information on them to use as it sees fit.
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We keep guns around, devices which are literally intended for killing, because it says so in the constitution. Just like we've learned to live with all the problems caused by guns, we were supposed to either work around or just come to accept the problems inherent to allowing Americans to venture out onto the global internet. That's how freedom works. There is no sensible argument for banning TikTok, only a vain attempt at justifying a loss of freedom.
"A foreign adversary is going to use their influence
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It would be pretentious to name it after his kid.
Trump's not pausing the ban (Score:5, Interesting)
Trump's not pausing the ban. He's technically (temporarily) refusing to enforce the ban, which is still in effect. The impact is the same, but the executive branch doesn't have the constitutional power to repeal or pausing the ban, but they can ignore it. The only two responses to this presidential action are that (1) certain parties can sue to force the executive branch to enforce the law (but the executive branch can still refused to obey the court order) and (2) Congress can impeach and remove the President. Neither response is likely.
Re:Trump's not pausing the ban (Score:5, Interesting)
You must have lived in a different reality.
The one that actually exist saw donold try to subvert the election in several ways, including trying to start an armed riot.
He failed because of inertia, and this time he has a better plan.
Not him actually, but the people behind him.
And we saw the first baby steps yesterday - over 9000 executive orders, most of them glaringly illegal.
We also saw the people behind donold heil-ing the sieg openly.
Sounds like a win for democracy.
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Not him actually, but the people behind him.
And we saw the first baby steps yesterday - over 9000 executive orders, most of them glaringly illegal.
Imperial presidency, where Congress is marginalized through presidential rule by fiat. Congress should just accept the inevitable right away and rename it self to: "The State Duma [wikipedia.org]"
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And present that official rubber stamp with the gilded handle to Elona, for safekeeping of course.
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lol
he didn't do 9000 of anything
wow - the left are still in their own bubble
trump - highest approval
bison - lowest of a leaving president.
but your still right and everyone else is wrong....
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he didn't do 9000 of anything
Yes, AC, indeed, you're right and he didn't sign any executive orders yesterday. Not even one.
https://www.newsweek.com/donal... [newsweek.com]
trump - highest approval
Not really. Trump barely won an election that the democrats left him to win.
And his approval is quite low for an incoming president.
https://projects.fivethirtyeig... [fivethirtyeight.com]
Keep lying, you've got nothing else going for you.
And, btw, the meme is "over 9000", not 9000.
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Well, you're gonna be really disappointed when Trump does absolutely nothing meaningful about those social war issues you're so concerned about, while simultaneously failing to reduce the price of groceries. He will, however, happily sell you some meme coins.
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Well, you're gonna be really disappointed when Trump does absolutely nothing meaningful about those social war issues you're so concerned about, while simultaneously failing to reduce the price of groceries. He will, however, happily sell you some meme coins.
Wow, history does repeat itself. Look at that.
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over 9000 executive orders,
That brings up a good point. I don't want to hear republicans complain about executive orders ever again.
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There was an investigation and the results were published by the last Justice Dept. And the prosecution was started. It didn't complete due to the Supreme Court being stupid enough to make him a king and the current Justice Dept. being another fraudulent el Bunko operation.
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Let's be honest, 77 million American voters didn't hold Trump accountable. There's only so much blame you can place on our legal institutions when democracy willingly produced this result.
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However, could you provide more clarification on the Cer
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The due process for the courts to rule that the ban violated constitutional rights like free speech has come and gone. It does not and there is no appeal process to be invoked.
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I'm trying to imply that the due process may be used as a justification for an extension. I'm not personally convinced it does so, not even sufficiently to ward off a charge of treason leveled against Trump on his first day in office.
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All interested parties had the time and ability to hire the best lawyers they could and fully participate in the legal process. They did and it is over. Either their arguments or their money was unpersuasive.
Oblivious, you are. (Score:1)
The President of the United States of America (POTUS) is entirely the central focus, and on whether he has the authority, and diplomatic urgency, to issue leniency towards an international company, or shall it be established here and now that it was done by ove
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The impact is the same, but the executive branch doesn't have the constitutional power to repeal or pausing the ban, but they can ignore it.
Do they though? I read some extensive analysis on this beforehand and the consensus legal opinion seemed to be that the delay of a ban can only come prior to it going into effect.
i.e.: Congress signs law, then you have the following options:
President Vetos - law doesn't go into effect.
President does nothing - law goes into effect on the day listed in legislation
President delays before law is in effect - delay is valid and still within the power of the executive branch.
President delays after law is in effect
So its treason, then. (Score:1)
The disorder of not knowing whether a law is in effect or not in effect, and the potential liability either way is disorder amounting to treason of the oath of office.
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It may be grounds for impeachment, but it isn't treason. The US Constitution defines treason as
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."
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Re: Trump's not pausing the ban (Score:2)
I mean, it's doubtful it would even make it onto a lower court's docket by the time the 75 days is up even were a lawsuit filed today.
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Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.
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It isn't. He should enforce the law.
He's going to do nothing over the next 75 days and TikTok will be effectively banned anyway, though some TikTok users may see him in a more-favorable light.
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It isn't. He should enforce the law.
The entire TikTok ban has been a textbook example of how legislation has gone horribly wrong in this country.
The idea began as an EO by Trump during his first term, which Biden then undid with his own EO. Then it returned as a bill in Congress and ultimately passed as a rider attached to a foreign aid spending bill, and was signed into law by former president Biden. Under any reasonable interpretation of the 1A, deplatforming 170 million Americans should've been considered unconstitutional, but SCOTUS con
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It's nothing new.
Confusion of the law... (Score:1)
My argument is that the level of confusion at this point has been raised to that of an impeachable offense, equal in severity of treason. My argument is that setting a snare of uncertainty regarding the law of the land is a "hostile act" against the people and therefore against the United States of America. A betrayal of the trus
because its important making America great again (Score:2)
The law ... (Score:2)
It remains unclear whether Trump can legally pause the ban. It's also unclear how he plans to enforce a 50 percent "joint venture" ownership with the company, a move he announced on Sunday.
Trump is the God Emperor, his word is law.
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The issue is that Trump is the world in his imagination. The grifters in his orbit know that which is why they treat him like a sun god, flattering and appeasing him to get him to pass any old shit. Sooner or later he'll be dead and even someone like JD Vance would be preferable to this monster.