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The 'Godfather' of AI is Backing Musk's Lawsuit Against OpenAI (msn.com) 44

Posted by msmash from the adding-weight-to-the-situation dept.
Nobel laureate Geoffrey Hinton has backed Elon Musk's legal challenge against OpenAI, criticizing the AI startup's shift from its nonprofit origins toward a for-profit model. "OpenAI was founded as an explicitly safety-focused non-profit and made various safety related promises in its charter," Hinton said in a statement through AI advocacy group Encode. "Allowing it to tear all of that up when it becomes inconvenient sends a very bad message to other actors in the ecosystem."

Musk, who co-founded OpenAI in 2015 but left in 2018, filed an injunction last month to block the company's transition to a for-profit entity. OpenAI dismissed the filing as "utterly without merit." Hinton, who won the 2024 Physics Nobel Prize for his pioneering work in neural networks, has previously criticized OpenAI CEO Sam Altman in October for prioritizing profits over safety concerns.

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  • Iâ(TM)m Torn (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Fnord666 ( 889225 ) on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @01:23PM (#65053323) Journal
    On the one hand fsck Elon Musk and everything he wants. On the other, I would prefer to see openAI remain, well, open.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by dfghjk ( 711126 )

      In what way is openAI "open" now, and how does it changing its non-profit status make it, well, not open? What does "open" even mean here?

      • What does "open" even mean here?

        Open means whatever marketing trolls and interest groups make of it. Just like "free", "innovation", "improved", "natural", "think of the children", "family values", "decent", etcetera, etcetera.

    • You let your personal bias corrupt your critical thinking. What is the matter with Musk, is it because he is white, rich, or right wing (depending on where you are standing.) It is one thing to say I will not be racists and hate groups of people but if you then hate individual people then you are just the same. I suggest you hate his decisions or positions but not the person then you can refer to each thing related to Elon musk without the racist (against a group of size 1) blinders.

      • A single individual does not constitute a race and holding opinions about a persons conduct does not constitute racism.

        What is the matter with Musk, is it because he is white

        Indeed, you seem to be the one struggling with your racial prejudices here

        • If you define it as hating a group of people then obviously you are wrong. Since the group of people would be represented by a list with n elements containing the identities of those in the group. Hating Elon Musk meets that criteria where the list contains 1 element.
          • You're definitely a troll. Questioning and redefining basic terms that have a clear and common usage going back decades just to gaslight others is not cool. Move on.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by narcc ( 412956 )

        Judging by your .sig, you are not qualified to lecture anyone about critical thinking.

        • If you are judging my message by my signature then perhaps you should start reading messages. We already have plenty of proof of election fraud and hopefully it now gets properly investigated and we will see. Possibly evidence and investigations are beyond your criteria for evaluation but instead you are pre disposed to your own fixed beliefs, in this case it is your critical thinking that is in doubt.

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by narcc ( 412956 )

            I have. You're a crackpot. You believe easily-disproved nonsense without question and deny any objective fact that doesn't conform to your preconceptions.

            You are clearly incapable of anything remotely like 'critical thinking'.

            • You throw around statements like easily-disproved which is ridicules and shows your lack of understanding of even what you are saying. How can you possibly disprove a negative like that. That would be provide proof that cheating did not happen. Turn on your brain and turn off the MSM.

              • Re: (Score:2)

                by narcc ( 412956 )

                LOL! You crackpots will believe anything but the truth!

                You are the one making the claims of a stolen election. You have no evidence to support those claims. What you call "evidence" was debunked ages ago, from your matrix-style data display to your laughable mules video.

                You believe that bullshit anyway because you're really, really, stupid.

                • So when you say easily disproved you mean by a wave of the hand and oh you don't have any evidence. That is not actually disproving anything, you talk a big game but it comes down to you are not smart because ...

                  Your "case" is Intellectually dishonest and just you are not in my club because you believe the wrong thing so you must be wrong. Carry on with the name calling game rather than actually engaging your brain.

                  • Re: (Score:2)

                    by narcc ( 412956 )

                    All of your so-called "evidence" has been conclusively disproved. Of course, most of what you have is bold assertion based on nothing.

                    It's beyond pathetic.

                    There's no great conspiracy here. You just believe a load of bullshit ... because you're really, really, stupid.

                    Try pulling your head out of your ass. That's a good first step.

                    • Conclusively disproved in your own mind. What you have is less than nothing which is pretending that plenty of evidence has been disproved. This is a haughty claim which is dismissed by the group approach. (Nobody believes that, that is pathetic etc.) This is the tactic of someone who has no evidence and you continue desperately in the same tactic even when I point out that it is intellectually dishonest. You think you are proving your point and you are to the people who want to believe without evidence but

                    • Re: (Score:2)

                      by narcc ( 412956 )

                      You're completely delusional.

                      Your pillow-peddling hero has been promising evidence for years and has delivered nothing. Countless lawsuits dismissed by Tr*mp appointed judges for lack of evidence.

                      Cry harder MAGAt. You have nothing.

                    • You continue with the same folly of name calling and offering nothing. You are actually boring.

                      Nothing? We have God, guns and country. We also have the House the Senate and the Presidency.

                    • Re: (Score:2)

                      by narcc ( 412956 )

                      Nothing? We have God, guns and country. We also have the House the Senate and the Presidency.

                      You still have no evidence, dipshit. Did you forget what you were claiming?

                      LOL! You MAGAt morons are too much!

                    • So you continue with the name calling, still haven't learned? You were making claims based on a link on my sig way off topic. There is plenty of evidence of varying quality on the link. The statistical evidence is very substantial but there is plenty more. So when you say no evidence this is your claim despite there being plenty and since your claims where not based on any comment I made but based on my signature I assume you at least know what is there otherwise you would not be in a position to comment (I

                    • Re: (Score:2)

                      by narcc ( 412956 )

                      LOL! Just how stupid are you?

                      There is no evidence for your stolen election claims. None. What you call "evidence" is all long-debunked bullshit or outright lies.

                      Go ahead. Pick whatever you think is your best "evidence" and I'll show you why you're full of shit. One thing at a time, I'm not going to waste more than a few minutes on your bullshit. Just enough to rub your nose in it.

                    • It's a religion. You won't change his mind, and facts are meaningless to religions. The GOP is officially a Cult of Trump. On a positive note, when the leader of a cult leaves, the movement dies. I can hang out and watch the carnage over the next 2 years while the orange idiot blows up most of the economy. In the mean time, the GOP will throw everything at the stock market to keep prices up - Trumpie needs clear measurements for his ego. With the swelling debt, there will undeniable cracks in the wall
                    • Typical Dems pat each other on the back and say well done without ever achieving anything. Funny to say that Trump is a cult the left wing crowd are the greatest denier of facts I have seen. Keep on pretending it is us. Maybe you need a few more for moral support to pretend you are right because of all of you agreeing. Dems think it is the one who shouts the loudest calls the best names or just by agreement of the group that facts are decided.

    • On the other, I would prefer to see openAI remain, well, open.

      Open as in... open to accepting credit cards? That's the only part of them that's open.

    • Re: Iâ(TM)m Torn (Score:2, Insightful)

      by bradley13 ( 1118935 )

      Why the Musk hate? He kick-started the EV business, he co-founded OpenAI, SpaceX is a game-changer, Neuralink may well also be a huge game-changer, etc, etc.

      The man is pretty amazing. If you disagree with his politics, well, maybe you need to reconsider *your* position.

  • Rollback tax (Score:4, Informative)

    by will4 ( 7250692 ) on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @02:19PM (#65053449)

    There's the "Rollback Tax" concept in government where using a non-profit or other designation to exempt all of some of your revenue, assets, etc. from taxation may result in taxes for past years if that non-profit or other designation is changed.

    https://www.har.com/blog_12145... [har.com]
    Texas has an agricultural exemption for land and buildings so that farmers near a city pay taxes on the agruicultural production of their land instead of higher taxes due to the nearby city property values.

    "One of the most eye-opening aspects of the ag exemption is the potential for a rollback tax. If you change the use of the land from agricultural to non-agricultural, the county can assess up to five years of back taxes based on the difference between the taxes paid under the ag valuation and what would have been paid if the land were taxed at its market value. This can result in a sizable tax bill, underscoring the importance of long-term planning and consideration before altering the use of ag-exempt land."

  • Successful project compels true human nature (greed) and draws the irk of others who benefit from keeping it down.

    Sure, there are exceptions, but they are rare. I'm sure Musk has an angle.

  • Expect Altman’s company to remain nonprofit and safety-focused for more than the few weeks required to kick the project off and get some initial investment? Anyone. Anyone?

    You did? Oh, you sweet, innocent child. Never change, little buddy.

    And it’s hilarious that Musk, of all people, is bringing this lawsuit. This is Mr. “I’m gonna suck 50 billion out of my companie’s market cap just cause I can” we’re talking about, getting all breatheless and worked up in pu
  • OpenAI appears to have been completely sucked in by greed and just shouldn’t be allowed to stop being a non-profit.

  • I guess no one told him you're supposed to play the stupid games first

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