Officials Demand Explanation On Mysterious Drone Sightings (thehill.com) 81
An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Hill: Shaun Golden, the sheriff of Monmouth County, N.J., wants feds to get to the bottom of recent mysterious drone activity in his state. Local officials, including Golden, are urging Gov. Phil Murphy (D) to declare a state of emergency. "We continue to urge our governor to press the federal government to put more resources out here," Golden said Thursday on NewsNation's "Dan Abrams Live." "The only way we're going to solve this is by the federal government coming in here and doing full investigations as to what these things are, how their movements are made," he added.
The White House insist that the drones do not represent a threat. The Pentagon also said it currently does not appear that a foreign enemy is behind the mysterious drones in the New Jersey sky. Rep. Jeff Van Drew (R-N.J.) claimed the drones are being launched by an Iranian "mothership," but Pentagon spokesperson Sabrina Singh said during a briefing there is "not any truth to that." With the investigation ongoing, Golden has called for the governor to declare a state of emergency and to issue an executive order banning nighttime use of recreational drones. Even more drone sightings are being reported in New York, Pennsylvania and Maryland, reports NBC News. "What is happening is outrageous. Thousands of drones and unmanned aerial systems flying above us, and our government is not telling us who's operating them and for what purpose," Rep. Nicole Malliotakis, R-N.Y., said a press conference in Staten Island on Friday. "I don't believe that the United States of America, with its military capabilities, does not know what these objects are. And what I'm asking, and what we're all asking, is for you to be straight with us and just tell us what is going on."
A senior official said there have been 79 sightings across New Jersey alone last night. "The sightings -- which occur up to 180 times per night, according to several New Jersey officials -- have remained consistent for nearly a month," adds NBC News.
Police in New Jersey are investigating a possible drone crash in Hillsborough, NJ. Police were called out at approximately 8:35 p.m. but are being extremely tightlipped, referring all questions to the FBI. A reporter asked a firefighter leaving the scene if they found anything and he said that he is not at liberty to say.
Additionally, at least four commercial airline pilots encountered mysterious, colorful circular lights "moving at extreme speeds" through the skies above Oregon this past weekend. You can listen to air traffic control audio archives from Dec. 7 via OregonLive.
German broadcaster Deutsche Welle is reporting that drones were spotted over sensitive military and industrial sites, including the U.S. air base at Ramstein in the western state of Rhineland-Palatinate.
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The White House insist that the drones do not represent a threat. The Pentagon also said it currently does not appear that a foreign enemy is behind the mysterious drones in the New Jersey sky. Rep. Jeff Van Drew (R-N.J.) claimed the drones are being launched by an Iranian "mothership," but Pentagon spokesperson Sabrina Singh said during a briefing there is "not any truth to that." With the investigation ongoing, Golden has called for the governor to declare a state of emergency and to issue an executive order banning nighttime use of recreational drones. Even more drone sightings are being reported in New York, Pennsylvania and Maryland, reports NBC News. "What is happening is outrageous. Thousands of drones and unmanned aerial systems flying above us, and our government is not telling us who's operating them and for what purpose," Rep. Nicole Malliotakis, R-N.Y., said a press conference in Staten Island on Friday. "I don't believe that the United States of America, with its military capabilities, does not know what these objects are. And what I'm asking, and what we're all asking, is for you to be straight with us and just tell us what is going on."
A senior official said there have been 79 sightings across New Jersey alone last night. "The sightings -- which occur up to 180 times per night, according to several New Jersey officials -- have remained consistent for nearly a month," adds NBC News.
Police in New Jersey are investigating a possible drone crash in Hillsborough, NJ. Police were called out at approximately 8:35 p.m. but are being extremely tightlipped, referring all questions to the FBI. A reporter asked a firefighter leaving the scene if they found anything and he said that he is not at liberty to say.
Additionally, at least four commercial airline pilots encountered mysterious, colorful circular lights "moving at extreme speeds" through the skies above Oregon this past weekend. You can listen to air traffic control audio archives from Dec. 7 via OregonLive.
German broadcaster Deutsche Welle is reporting that drones were spotted over sensitive military and industrial sites, including the U.S. air base at Ramstein in the western state of Rhineland-Palatinate.
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I'm not saying it's aliens... (Score:5, Funny)
But, you know.
Re:I'm not saying it's aliens... (Score:4, Insightful)
Why would China even bother? We're making polio great again! https://abcnews.go.com/Politic... [go.com]
This is what you voted for.
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The Republicans have long memories - they're still pissed the disease didn't kill FDR.
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The Republicans have long memories ...
Unless it has anything to do with Trump or Republicans.
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The polio vaccine has been tested since 1949.
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The polio vaccine has been tested since 1949.
No, that vaccine hasn't been used in over 50 years. And the fact that a drug has been used for a long time does not mean it has been properly tested. Its perfectly possible for there to be side effects that go unnoticed. You need a control group that isn't vaccinated and that would be hard to find these days. And there is no money to be made from the research regardless of the outcome unless some drug company has a new vaccine it wants to pitch as safer for kids.
Regarding your paranoia (Score:2)
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Dude dressed as a maintenance worker in a van. Hiker, hunter, fisherman, bird spotter....
Secret (Score:2)
I’ve seen the videos (Score:5, Informative)
I’m gonna guess that the explanation for this is really, really boring.
Re:I’ve seen the videos (Score:4, Insightful)
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During the day, they are recharging, silly!
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During the day you can see that it's somebody with their Walmart drone or a regular airplane. Only at night can you see some lights in the sky and insist that it's a six foot Iranian drone launched off a secret mothership.
Re:I’ve seen the videos (Score:5, Interesting)
The explanation is mass, media-induced hysteria.
The explanation for the vast majority of these sightings is, as the John Kirby clearly stated, people simply mis-identifying manned aircraft in the night skies.
This video [youtube.com] posted earlier this week (before the White House acknowledgement) clearly demonstrates how people are getting it wrong.
That we now have politicians calling for these "drones" to be shot down is a worrying twist. What happens if/when they bring down an innocent airliner just because someone mis-identifies it as a drone?
And haven't you wondered, just for a second, why it is that nobody can get a decent picture of these "drones as big as an SUV" that they claim have hovered at just 50 feet over their houses for ten minutes or more? Go outside and use your smartphone to take a picture of a car at night from 50 feet and you'll see just how much detail is revealed -- yet all the pictures posted to date of "drones" from allegedly the same distance, are a blury mess of sensor-noise.
Most people can't tell the difference between something that's BIG and a long way away or something that's smaller and closer -- at least not at night when there are no frames of reference and all you can see are some flashing lights.
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I live in NJ, and I'm yet to see one of these things. I'm out twice an evening walking my dog. If they were circling overhead, I'd send my DJI up to try and get a decent photo of one of them. That nobody has thought to do this yet is a surprise to me.
The explanation is mass, media-induced hysteria.
Regarding the mass hysteria, there are now reports of cars mysteriously stopping as one of these things supposedly fly overhead, causing the car's clock to change time [newsweek.com]. Either people are rewatching Close Encounters of the Third Kind or X-Files S1 E1.
The Day the Earth Stood Still (Score:2)
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If they were circling overhead, I'd send my DJI up to try and get a decent photo of one of them.
You and everyone else
That nobody has thought to do this yet is a surprise to me.
Everyone else is doing this, and this is the result of all that.
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The FAA knows the ID and location of every airliner in the skies over NJ/NY. No government entity is going to mistake an airliner for a 4-foot-wide drone flying a few hundred feet off the ground.
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And what do you know, no government entity did!
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Correct. Now if people on the ground who are clueless attempt using small arms to down these craft, they'll miss (and possibly put a hole in someone's roof somewhere nearby as the bullets return to the earth).
If there are actual drones a few hundred feet off the ground, that's where things get more interesting.
Helicopters, not jets or SAM (Score:2)
That we now have politicians calling for these "drones" to be shot down is a worrying twist.
Not really, for the described sort of drones a helicopter gunship would be a good choice. And northern New Jersey has a lot of empty woodland all over the place. Some of this drone activity is at Picatinny Arsenal. They have a National Guard heliport on their grounds and tons of empty woodlands on their base. The NG pilots are extremely familiar with Picatinny and the surrounding area.
What happens if/when they bring down an innocent airliner just because someone mis-identifies it as a drone?
They aren't going to be using surface to air missiles or jet fighters.
Most people can't tell the difference between something that's BIG and a long way away or something that's smaller and closer
I agree, some of the videos I've seen with only lights
Wrong (Score:1)
Maybe in that video it's a jet. But there are threads with people showing what are obviously drones and not planes, where the people taking the video are out with police, and using apps to tell them what registered flights are around - and none are where the drones are. Furthermore they no not move like planes, and also when police try to get close with helicopters the objects go lights out.
There are obviously a pretty large number of these mystery drones doing something.
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What happens if/when they bring down an innocent airliner just because someone mis-identifies it as a drone? An Airliner makes a gigantic blob on radar, and flies with a pretty predictable (probably constant even) speed and a dedicated flightpath.
Drones are mostly plastic, I wonder how big a drone needs to be to show up on radar. Or if the radar filters it away anyway?
Most people can't tell the difference between something that's BIG and a long way away or something that's smaller and closer -- at least not
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If it was me . . . I would put Electric Tape over the lights .
The lights may be necessary for remote control, the operator needing a visual on the drone. Some of the "large" drones could be really small hobbyist drones at a closer range than thought. These especially would need the lights.
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Arsenal + NG heliport + Marine base + Army lab (Score:2)
They’re flying around at night with bright flashing lights.
The three videos shown on the news last night, at least on my local station, were all aircraft with not only navigation lights on but landing lights as well. I'm sure some of the people claiming to have seen things close up and that the object was a drone not an aircraft are accurate. But the videos on TV are mostly worthless,
Some other videos I've seen are just lights making radical non-aircraft maneuvers, and could just as easily be small DJI hobbyist drones 200 yards away rather than SUV sized drones
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Those "radical maneuvers" often turn out to be people moving the camera which results in the *apparent* movement of the object in unusual ways.
Remember, these are aircraft at significant distance so the footage is often highly zoomed and every small hand movement is reflected in what appears to be a sudden movement of the object being filmed.
Occam's Razor should be applied here.
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Those "radical maneuvers" often turn out to be people moving the camera which results in the *apparent* movement of the object in unusual ways.
The particular video I saw had visual references, homes, The "radical" motions seemed well within what a friend with a DJI hobbyist drone can manage. If one accepted the objects as such then the operator basically had the drone dancing over his and the neighbor's backyards. The motion was all in the perspective of open air, above homes, tree lines, and hill crests. So one could interpret the event at various ranges. Again, to me, accepting the backyard range matched what I've seen with DJI drones. Those pos
There is a big clue (Score:2)
If they were doing something nefarious, Iâ(TM)m pretty sure they would be a whole lot stealthier.
The police have said when they use helicopters to go look, the devices turn lights off.
Does that sound non-nefarious to you?
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That sounds like by the time they get the helicopter to the place the drone was seen from, the drone is long gone.
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No, as they get closer they see the lights turn off... it's not "long gone'.
However that does tell us something, that probably someone is controlling them from the ground able to see when aircraft get close and then disable the lights (and probably also leave).
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We can reach you, you are not untouchable (Score:2)
They’re flying around at night with bright flashing lights. They’re basically screaming “I’M RIGHT HERE”. If they were doing something nefarious, I’m pretty sure they would be a whole lot stealthier.
Not necessarily. It could simply be a less than friendly country or organization wanting to demonstrate that they can reach out and touch us if they want to. Encouraging us to not f*ck with them.
when the government fails people step up (Score:2)
Won't be long before someone decides to start shooting at them.
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They don't post any theat... (Score:3, Insightful)
UFOs, Drones... (Score:2)
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Curiously I couldn't find any accounts of US politicians endorsing Birds Aren't Real. Must be too busy with Jewish space lasers and Iranian motherships.
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Don't give them ideas. Anyhow, they are having too much fun scaring people as is.
Iranian Mothership? (Score:2)
Is that anything like the Parliament Funkadelic? Not familiar with their work...
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Yes, it's a George Clinton project.
Drug delivery. (Score:3, Interesting)
My theory (Score:4, Interesting)
These are Department of Energy (The ones who hold all the nuke secrets) drones searching for a smuggled nuclear device that terrorists are intending to set off. They are very advanced drones with secret tech that the DOE doesn't want to admit to but given the nature and pressing severity of a nuclear terrorist threat, they are using them anyway.
Just a theory.
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Don't all theories begin as speculation? Some have more or less observations to support them, some even amass significant bodies of evidence - others do not.
One persons theory is another's speculation.
Are your pink unicorns invisible by chance? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn) :-)
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Oh come on, I was just starting on the new Tom Clancy book why would you spoil it for me!
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I have some bad news for you.
https://www.theguardian.com/bo... [theguardian.com]
It is all fun and games. (Score:4, Funny)
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And then it's a sport! :-)
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"We'd better get back because it'll be dark soon and they mostly come at night. Mostly."
It's not fun and games (Score:1)
Till someone gets probed.
It's just ... (Score:2)
Amazon (Score:2)
Amazon night delivery urban trials.
Probably being flown by a bunch of ... (Score:2)
Amazon delivery drivers in uniform (Score:2)
Probably being flown by a bunch of random guys in psychotic clown outfits.
Not random, not clown outfits.
Amazon delivery drivers in uniform.
not all drones (Score:5, Informative)
Some of them are just regular helicopter and light aircraft traffic. It is very difficult for people to identify flying objects like that at night.
Some of them are drones. It is most likely drone testing from the nearby military airbases.
Why they are not saying so is just weird.
Obviously we have drones.
Politics and Tinfoil, I guess...
"Oh no! Our military is using evil killer drones overseas! No war!"
"Oh no! FEMA is practicing to subdue us with drones!"
Or maybe these are Trump drones, so that when he declares martial law and appoints himself dictator on day one, his Bedminster drones will have already infrared and ultrasonically mapped out all the resistance safe houses in NJ.
I live about 2 miles from D.C., so I see drones cruising around here all the time at night. These are either general practice missions, or national security drills (they definitely participate in those). I'm a "real aircraft" pilot, so I usually know what I'm looking at. I'm talking about big drones that at first I think are helicopters. Been noticing this activity since about 2015. Probably started before that.
Note: uniquely in the USA, the entire D.C. area for 15-30 miles is a No-Fly zone (FRZ and SFRA). Only scheduled airliner traffic. No private or commercial airplanes or helicopters, no drones, not even toys, nothing. There are even only a few emergency helicopters. Everything else you here see is military. (I miss the pre-9/11 days when I would aerial-tour the area and fly myself into DCA on a whim. Now nobody can ever do that again.)
There are only three other possibilities for the NJ drones:
1. Police (unlikely, and would mot be a secret)
2. Illegal commercial (for what purpose, and... No)
3. Foreign / Terror (no way for so many reasons)
It's the military or national security response (military / intelligence / state police / whoever) drills. Drones -- we got 'em! Is this really the first time they've seen them?
Why have the drills now? What is the mission?
Could just be the season, and the mission is probably generic civil emergency. Or maybe it is influenced by a sense of readiness / excuse that something might happen in the USA in January. (Not necessarily anything bad, just some event that is a national turning point.)
Is all this not obvious to anybody with the intelligence of a pumpkin?
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Maybe they are just practicing now so that on Christmas they will fly in formation and take down Santa and all those presents....bwwaaahaaahaaa...
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Ha! Robot Santa is better armed than they are [srcdn.com]...
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Is all this not obvious to anybody with the intelligence of a pumpkin?
Sorry, intelligence is not in vogue right now.
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2. Illegal commercial (for what purpose, and... No)
With most of the hysteria being small aircraft on approach to a small local airpot, navigation and landing lights on. Or small hobbyist drones a couple hundred yards away and only LEDs visible being mistaken as something much larger and farther away. And so on. We probably do have some industrial sized drones moving drugs around, resupplying local gangs and.or major dealers.
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2. Illegal commercial (for what purpose, and... No)
We probably do have some industrial sized drones moving drugs around, resupplying local gangs and.or major dealers.
In New Jersey? These "SUV sized" drones have a limited range, and require a runway to take off. Airports are secure areas that are also always on the lookout for drugs. And I have never heard of this kind of drone at a civilian airport. It would attract incredible attention.
Since we're talking about kilograms of drugs, I doubt the drug dealers have a US drone network. Pretty sure it's just ordinary cars and sometimes trucks. And people, who are personally carrying the stuff around on commercial airline flig
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2. Illegal commercial (for what purpose, and... No)
We probably do have some industrial sized drones moving drugs around, resupplying local gangs and.or major dealers.
In New Jersey?
Northern NJ is heavily wooded, lots of small open fields all over the place in wooded area. Many near small towns, suburbs, not easily accessible by vehicles but connect by trails easily accommodating bikes if not a short hike on foot.
These "SUV sized" drones have a limited range, and require a runway to take off.
Ziplkne, medical supplies delivery drone. Catapult launch.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
But I was not thinking fixed wing, rather rotary wing. Limited range is fine, just avoiding the person to person handoff. Isolating the less disposable employees from the more dispo
Proof that drone control, like gun control, is a.. (Score:2)
joke.
When regulations are heaped upon gun owners, they rightly complain that this just further encroaches on their rights and adds inconvenience to their lives without doing anything to stop the "bad guys". They're right. All across the nation there are DAs who refuse to prosecute criminals for their gun offenses, and often, after they are jailed for their non-gun offenses, even let them out of jail early. Indeed, the current President just pardoned his own son, who has committed numerous crimes, for lying