Ukraine Bans Official Use of Telegram App Over Fears of Russian Spying (reuters.com) 49
Ukraine has banned use of Telegram on official devices used by state officials, military personnel and critical workers because it believes its enemy Russia can spy on both messages and users, a top security body said on Friday. Reuters: The National Security and Defence Council announced the restrictions after Kyrylo Budanov, head of Ukraine's GUR military intelligence agency, presented the Council with evidence of Russian special services' ability to snoop on the platform, it said in a statement. But Andriy Kovalenko, head of the security council's centre on countering disinformation, posted on Telegram that the restrictions apply only to official devices, not personal phones.
Telegram is heavily used in both Ukraine and Russia and has become a critical source of information since the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. But Ukrainian security officials had repeatedly voiced concerns about its use during the war. Based in Dubai, Telegram was founded by Russian-born Pavel Durov, who left Russia in 2014 after refusing to comply with demands to shut down opposition communities on his social media platform VKontakte, which he has sold.
Telegram is heavily used in both Ukraine and Russia and has become a critical source of information since the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. But Ukrainian security officials had repeatedly voiced concerns about its use during the war. Based in Dubai, Telegram was founded by Russian-born Pavel Durov, who left Russia in 2014 after refusing to comply with demands to shut down opposition communities on his social media platform VKontakte, which he has sold.
After what Israel did to Lebanon (Score:2, Interesting)
Sounds like hard-pressed military folks might need those along with a few FGC9 mk3 submachine guns hot off
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I'm on the last two DVDs of the series. Watching if for the 5th(?) time. Still funny how I pick up new things each time I watch, or take someone's line in a different manner.
As for Galactica, the part where Galactica WAS networked so they could run their calculations was one of the less believable elements. The Cylons, based on how advanced they were, should have been able to crack through the firewalls much faster.
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You military guys better go back to semaphores
Oh, yeah, I'm sure there's no way that could be intercepted [youtube.com].
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With NATO/OTAN supporting Ukraine in this war, I am surprised they are not providing encrypted comms to the Ukraine Military.
A $200 garden variety 3d printer can print an FGC9, can it also print the transistors and such needed for a comms device? I doubt it has the microfine capability to print any sort of IC'
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A $200 garden variety 3d printer can print an FGC9, can it also print the transistors and such needed for a comms device?
Please tell me you're joking.
I am wondering why the military doesn't (Score:3)
develop it's own encrypted communications app?
Sure, ir is non-trivial, but given that just about every soldier has a cell phone, and given that the military has lots of resources, I'm sure they could build their own infrastructure.
Obviously, it's not reliable as VHF radios, but they could even integrate the two systems...
Possibilities (Score:4, Insightful)
So if you want it available through an app store, even restricted via a policy (not generally available to everyone) you have to submit your code to Google or Apple or whomever, which I'm guessing a military isn't going to do.
The other option is to side load it on an Android device, which I'm pretty sure is going to be locked down on a government device.
It's not impossible, but I think the bureaucracy and regulation of government IT would make it incredibly difficult to implement.
I'm kind of surprised they don't just do encrypted email, which is natively supported on most built-in mail clients. Then you have control of the server and the certificates.
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I suspect the deployment security issues are a bigger problem than creating a custom secure app.
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Most of these phones are personal devices of the conscripts getting thrown into the meat grinder. They know how to use a phone, so no need to train them how to use a walkie talkie properly, no need to provide tens of thousands of them.
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Re: I am wondering why the military doesn't (Score:1)
Surely Russia and China have bigger issues: how many of them speak or write each otherâ(TM)s languages? NATO countries benefit by many people speaking English as a first or second language to a certain degree, or learning their neighbourâ(TM)s language? Itâ(TM)s interesting that one of the delays in Ukraine deploying F-16s was that some of their pilots had to learn English first.
Seriously (Score:3)
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Pavel Durov is half-Ukrainian (Score:5, Insightful)
Unbeknown to many Russian assholes, who demanded I use Russian language on VKontakte "because it is a Russian network", Durov's mother Albina Durov (née Ivanenko) is an ethnic Ukrainian. I don't think, it matters, but it is interesting.
Anyway, I doubt, Durov's cooperation with Russian government, whatever its extent — if any — is voluntary, but, of course, Ukrainians cannot afford the risk...
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Good reading.
https://www.wired.com/story/th... [wired.com]
https://istories.media/en/news... [istories.media]
IMHO Durov and his Telegram platform are clearly compromised and infiltrated by the FSB.
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VK users complaining that you aren't speaking Russian!
I think, they would've been Ok, if I used English. Or French. It was my using Ukrainian, that was particularly irritating :-)
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Reality is of course that things like defense of Kiyv and Kharkiv were arranged on Telegram, so we know for a fact that it's not infiltrated. Or if it is, it's so poorly infiltrated, that Russians literally allowed enemy to organise successful defenses of their main cities on it and fail to gain any meaningful advantage from it.
This is more likely the case that French came to Ukrainian top brass and told them what they have to say publicly in the wake of the recent brouhaha with them grabbing Durov. Which i
Ukraine (Score:2)
That said, apparently up until now they have been using this app which is controlled by Russia (in some sense at least!)
The smart thing to do would be continue using it (Score:3)
The smart thing to do would be to continue using it... ...to feed bullshit to the enemy and others listening in.
Use your secure comms for official stuff, while organizing and carrying out a deception campaign on Telegram.
This isn't about military communications (Score:3, Informative)
This isn't about legit military comms it's about Ukrainian soldiers who keep posting selfies on TG that give away their positions and getting entire companies wiped out.
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So, do this -- keep on posting selfies.. that are fake or misleading or just wrong and confusing.
You'll have to convince to the troops to stop using TG for retarded self-gratification, and instead, coordinate a mass effort to use it for trolling, misdirection and even leading the enemy into traps and ambushes.
When given lemons (enemy listening in) make lemonade (use it to fuck with them a bit)
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It's a bit late for that. This TG ban is a desperate last gasp.
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Biggest problem was not soldiers but civilians, and it was taking photos of things like aftermath of strikes which allowed analysis, and it was pretty much over in 2022.
Ever since then, Ukrainians have been filtering out things like background and location before posting it almost universally, and there's a law in place with pretty steep punishments for those that don't. It's mainly a problem for Russians right now who do not have the same information warfare discipline. It's why we get videos of Ukrainians
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Russians don't have any kind of discipline. Nobody is surprised.
OTOH, they are still winning bigly without it.
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Winning yes, bigly not so much. More like barely.
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Winning yes, bigly not so much. More like barely.
My view of proceedings from the global south is grimmer than your rosy view.
They have a huge slice of Ukraine prime territory that is fortified - so much so that Ukraine's much vaunted counter-attack barely made a dent in it.
EU and other sanctions aren't hurting as much as expected because Russia makes money by selling their resources elsewhere, and to EU states happy to circumvent sanctions, directly or indirectly. The EU itself has admitted it's a problem they are struggling to stop.
Admittedly, they are l
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>They have a huge slice of Ukraine prime territory that is fortified - so much so that Ukraine's much vaunted counter-attack barely made a dent in it.
How is that compared to the strategic goal of Russia part of which current conquest of Ukraine is?
In terms of strategy, current state of Ukraine is a horrific loss for Russia. They took a neutral buffer state and turned it into an enemy state that is currently holding some Russian territory in addition to being aimed at the soft underbelly of Russian Federa
Whelp ... (Score:4, Funny)
Guess it's back to using pagers and walkie-talkies -- oh wait ...
Only Ukranian spying allowed (Score:1)
supported by the Western intelligence agencies.
CEO of Telegram still under arrest in France (Score:2)