Google Workers Arrested After Nine-Hour Protest In Cloud Chief's Office (cnbc.com) 308
CNBC reports that nine Google workers were arrested on trespassing charges Tuesday night in protest of the company's $1.2 billion contract providing cloud computing services to the Israeli government. The sit-in happened at Google Cloud CEO Thomas Kurian's office in Sunnyvale and the 10th floor commons of Google's New York office. From the report: The arrests, which were livestreamed on Twitch by participants, follow rallies outside Google offices in New York, Sunnyvale and Seattle, which attracted hundreds of attendees, according to workers involved. [...] Protesters in Sunnyvale sat in Kurian's office for more than nine hours until their arrests, writing demands on Kurian's whiteboard and wearing shirts that read "Googler against genocide." In New York, protesters sat in a three-floor common space. Five workers from Sunnyvale and four from New York were arrested.
"On a personal level, I am opposed to Google taking any military contracts -- no matter which government they're with or what exactly the contract is about," Cheyne Anderson, a Google Cloud software engineer based in Washington, told CNBC. "And I hold that opinion because Google is an international company and no matter which military it's with, there are always going to be people on the receiving end... represented in Google's employee base and also our user base." Anderson had flown to Sunnyvale for the protest in Kurian's office and was one of the workers arrested Tuesday. "Google Cloud supports numerous governments around the world in countries where we operate, including the Israeli government, with our generally available cloud computing services," a Google spokesperson told CNBC, adding, "This work is not directed at highly sensitive, classified, or military workloads relevant to weapons or intelligence services."
"On a personal level, I am opposed to Google taking any military contracts -- no matter which government they're with or what exactly the contract is about," Cheyne Anderson, a Google Cloud software engineer based in Washington, told CNBC. "And I hold that opinion because Google is an international company and no matter which military it's with, there are always going to be people on the receiving end... represented in Google's employee base and also our user base." Anderson had flown to Sunnyvale for the protest in Kurian's office and was one of the workers arrested Tuesday. "Google Cloud supports numerous governments around the world in countries where we operate, including the Israeli government, with our generally available cloud computing services," a Google spokesperson told CNBC, adding, "This work is not directed at highly sensitive, classified, or military workloads relevant to weapons or intelligence services."
Doesn't like military using their services (Score:3, Insightful)
Only possible to hold that kind of attitude from behind a heavily armed military holding the savages at bay.
Open question whether these people are a net plus or a net minus.
Re:Doesn't like military using their services (Score:4, Insightful)
Everyone has the right to be stupid.
Our society goes pretty far in allowing protestors to make themselves heard -too far, in my opinion (but I am a selfish jerk...)
They may face consequences such as unemployment, fines, and jail time -but not until long after the fact. Most of the time, we let protestors off with a slap on the wrist for the harm they cause because we support the right to speak out even when it harms others. Only the most egregious cases face actual consequences.
This is the price we pay for a free society -we let others do stupid things that they think are right (or wrong-but for the right reasons?)
Re: Doesn't like military using their services (Score:2, Insightful)
China disallows protests. Americans point at China and call it a moral travesty.
America allows protests. Americans object to protestors.
Americans are such a dumb, confused bunch.
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Legal protests are fine. If you want to stand on the sidewalk and complain about some injustice, have at it. However, if you're going to block traffic, destroy property, or trespass on private property, sorry, that's no bueno.
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Legal protests are fine. If you want to stand on the sidewalk and complain about some injustice, have at it. However, if you're going to block traffic, destroy property, or trespass on private property, sorry, that's no bueno.
So in your opinion those involved in the Boston teaparty, an act of patriotic protest deeply admired by Americans today, should have been strung up by the British and publicly flogged or something?
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Legal protests are fine. If you want to stand on the sidewalk and complain about some injustice, have at it. However, if you're going to block traffic, destroy property, or trespass on private property, sorry, that's no bueno.
So in your opinion those involved in the Boston teaparty, an act of patriotic protest deeply admired by Americans today, should have been strung up by the British and publicly flogged or something?
It was _not_ patriotic, since they were a colony of the Brits and not a country themselves. If they were caught, they would have been strung up and publicly flogged or something. They knew the risks, and worked very hard to avoid being identified. And it led to a war. So, while many of us appreciate the outcome...
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You do understand that Washington didn't stage a protest but started a revolution, yes? I don't have to explain the difference, do I?
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So the correct thing to do for those Google employees is to turn it into a January 6th?
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The British would say that the British officers and commercial operations he interfered with were his fellow citizens. There was no USA at the time.
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They could say that, but it was those same citizens who were rebelling, so they'd be wrong.
Also, the Continental Army was not interfering with commerce, in fact they trying to protect it. It was the English doing the blockade.
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I didn't say they should have been hung, just that they faced a consequence to their actions. The issue with your comparison is that you can't just do anything you want and claim "free speech" to get off scott free. Your actions have to face consequences or you get the violation of everyone elses rights in favor of just YOUR rights. Eventually you get anarchy.
And yes, blocking the road should be illegal. And it is almost everywhere. That's why the more douchey activists pick jurisdictions where the gov
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those who founded it, in your opinion, should have been hung.
Hanged. Meat is hung, man is hanged.
Sorry for the interruption.
Re: Doesn't like military using their services (Score:2)
So they're crossing a line knowing full well there maybe be consequences. If you have a problem with those consequences then feel free to write your local congressman and tell him you feel the consequences are too light.
Re: Doesn't like military using their services (Score:5, Insightful)
Please understand that a legal framework for what forms of protest are permitted also protects you from abuse. Would you like some idiots to be allowed to put up their political slogans in your windows and if you tear them down, you get slapped with a fine for infringing on their freedom of speech?
Also, please note that there are specifically provisions that keep corporations, you know, the entities that have more money and power than you, or the deity of your choice, from forcing you to put up support posters around your home for political candidates that want to eliminate your worker's rights and make it look like you support that.
Please think twice before you cry that certain forms of political protest get "legalized", because I can reassure you, you would not be the one profiting from it.
In general, laws protect you from far more powerful entities. And yes, they'd gladly see them eliminated.
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Glad you see it that way. Mind if I come around and stand on your front lawn to propagate my political views? They may or may not coincide with yours.
The point is, I have to stage a protest on my own dime. On my ground, or on public ground.
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China disallows protests.
Why do people say shit like this when a simple google search will prove them wrong?
Here's a Wikipedia article about some recent protests in China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Literally the first hit on Google.
I'm no fan of the CCP's methods, but can we please at least stop outright lying about China and have a grown up conversation about it? Just once maybe?
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Sorry if I came over a bit angry there, I'm just kinda fed up of it. Not least because the same shit is happening in my country, the UK, and "China is worse" seems to make people think it's okay. It's actually illegal to protest in the UK if the protest causes "annoyance", and it's only down to the restraint of the police that there are any protests at all now.
Re:Doesn't like military using their services (Score:4, Insightful)
Stupid? Why are they stupid? They appear to be trying to stand by a good principle, to not do any harm. What principles do you live by?
There is no reason Google has to sell to the military other than greed.
All the rights and freedoms you enjoy are because at some point someone stood up and protested. You might show them some gratitude.
Re:Doesn't like military using their services (Score:4, Insightful)
Stupid? Why are they stupid? They appear to be trying to stand by a good principle, to not do any harm. What principles do you live by?
Personally I stand by the principles of not working or supporting companies which do things I disagree with. They are stupid because they are part of the problem while also being against it.
Internal protest against a company you voluntarily support is stupid. You said it yourself. There's no reason to do this other than greed. The stupidity is supporting the greed by working for the greedy company.
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I'm the last person to side with a corporation, but the right thing to do, if your conscience doesn't allow you to accept what the company you work for does, is to quit.
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I wish it was more prevalent but Germany is a good example of where companies are expected to have representation from workers included in the decisions made by the firm.
You tend to overly idealize other countries. Social representation doesn't significantly influence a firm's decisions. Unions are generally expected to align with board decisions and communicate minor, seemingly insignificant changes to the workforce, such as "hey, we've added one more day of paternity leave," which they attribute to their advocacy.
In the rare instances when a union opposes a firm's decisions, they are typically disregarded.
There are a few exceptions where a firm structure is made so that i
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Only possible to hold that kind of attitude from behind a heavily armed military holding the savages at bay.
Furthermore, while residing in a country that had dropped two atomic bombs on Japan as an act of retaliation. Even The Great Seal of the United States depicts a bald eagle clutching a bunch of arrows, implying that we will absolutely fuck your shit up if you mess with us (and sometimes just because we want your oil).
We're just very lucky that our eastern and western borders are oceanic coastlines, our neighbor to the north is an ally and our neighbor to the south is mostly benign. If we were in Israel's s
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"lucky that our eastern and western borders are oceanic coastlines"
That isn't luck. It was design. We had to fight the Spanish for it and force the French into a raw deal. We fought the Comanche. When that didn't work, we developed new firearms to fight the Comanches. Then we fought the Comanches some more. We sent hordes of unknowing people West to die.
When America was formed, it was basically just the Atlantic piedmont area.
Think about it this way. With the Carpathians, the North Sea and the Mediterranean
Military strategists agree (Score:2)
Re: Doesn't like military using their services (Score:2)
This is a commonly heard argument from right wing nut jobs. There is zero evidence to support it. When was the last time the US military saved its citizens from authoritarians? Of all the international conflicts the US has been involved in, how many were with foreign powers threatening the freedom of expression of US civilians in the US?
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The "barbarians at the gates" narrative is designed to mislead. Israel is illegally occupying large parts of Palestine, so says the UN. They have turned Gaza in particular into an open air prison.
And as for the IDF "holding them at bay", they are actually quite bad at defence. Look at October 7th, they not only failed to stop it, they ended up killing many of their own people and suffering fairly heavy casualties.
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Re:Doesn't like military using their services (Score:4, Informative)
enjoy
https://science.howstuffworks.... [howstuffworks.com]
Interestingly Panama is one of them. After getting rid of Noriega they decided having a military was a bigger risk than not. No US military bases, either.
The federal government of the USA is, as well its role in the world, is of course a bit different.
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Panama is under the U.S. security umbrella. It doesn't need a military.
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Panama is a very special case due to the canal. Panama doesn't need a military because anyone who dares to attack would instantly become the primary target of a lot of very powerful nations that would lose a lot of commerce if that canal is no longer safe to use.
The spice MUST flow!
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Because the US gives less of a toss about the Suez canal than it would about the Panama canal. The Panama canal has the ability to keep its Atlantic and Pacific military apart if it becomes impassable. Sure, the carriers can't pass, but the transporters can.
Supply of anything in the Indian Ocean doesn't happen via Suez but from the SEA bases. So why would the US give a damn that Suez isn't exactly a safe passage right now?
Yes, Europe does care a lot more about it. And, lo and behold, it has a bunch of ships
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The way you have a country is that you have a border. The way that you have a border is that you have a military. (Even if you elect not to enforce it against illegal immigration.)
Or elect not to enforce it at all, e.g. the free passage of people within the EU and the lack of physical impediments to doing so.
To be pedantic, ultimately, what makes a country is a defined border and a government that rules over the people within that defined border. Nothing inherently prevents a country from having only a police force and no military, so long as their neighbors aren't war mongers. But millennia of history shows that eventually one of them will become war mongers, so pretty much every
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ISIS, Al Qaeda, Vladimir Putin, Nicolás Maduro, Haitian gangs, Kim Jung Un, just to name a few.
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I think they are simply the useful idiots for a PR-aware terrorist group. Netanyahu is a soldier turned politician desperate to avoid jail for corruption during his previous terms. Hamas is a brutal terrorist organization holding the entirely of Gaza hostage and deliberately killing as many Palestinians as Israelis. Israel has to impose operational security to protect its soldiers while Hamas controls the information given to the media. All of these things are true.
There's other factors to consider as well:
- Israel (Natanyahu) deliberately allowed Qatar to smuggle cash into Gaza in order to keep Hamas strong. Not strong enough to carry out the Oct 7th attack, but strong enough to keep lobbing rockets and form a suitable villain.
- Israel has been blocking basic aid such as food from getting into Gaza. Deliberate famine is hardly "upholding the rules of war".
- What do you think "operational security" in Gaza is? A permanent Israeli army presence with the steady flow of
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Also, Israel is NOT blocking any aid. Hamas, however, is.
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I think they are simply the useful idiots for a PR-aware terrorist group. Netanyahu is a soldier turned politician desperate to avoid jail for corruption during his previous terms.
Replace 'soldier' with 'scumbag'. Other than that I completely agree.
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They're very true. Unless you've been living under a rock for 50 years.
Re: Doesn't like military using their services (Score:2, Insightful)
By "temporary blockade" do you mean the one that's been going on for about 15 years and that was recently tightened?
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The useful idiots are the ones still peddling Israeli propaganda in the face of overwhelming global opposition and clear and undeniable facts from reputable sources.
But nothing new, so please continue with your spin and lies.
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What is more likely, that democratic, civilized Israel is lying, or terrorist, child burning, mass raping, mass murdering, food and water stealing Hamas is lying?
Remember, this is the Hamas that, in the late 90s and early 2000s was caught staging dead children's bodies in rubble, complete with wailing "mothers," on several occasions. The same Hamas that was in the last months caught stealing aid food and water from Palestinians, keeping their soldiers and military equipment in hospitals that they attacked
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Err no. That's not how it was. It was more like this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/1... [nytimes.com]
So if there was any gunning down of Hamas opposition, it was done by Israel, as has now been pretty thoroughly documented.
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The occupation has not been brutal. IT's been extremely humane, despite Palestinians' constant attacks on Israeli citizens.
If you want a 'brutal occupation,' Israel could just wipe out their problem. Easily. Literally days. Why don't they?
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"Asked by CNN about the videos, the Israel Defense Forces did not dispute their veracity, location or that IDF soldiers were involved. It condemned the soldiers’ behavior, which it condemned."
So, not policy, just one instance of a couple of assholes, who were punished.
So does Hamas condemn their own mass theft of food and water supplies, which has been found packed to the gill in their tunnels?
Re: Doesn't like military using their services (Score:2, Informative)
There are two issues with your reasoning.
First, you ignore the fact that this kind of bad behaviour has been the norm of IDF for decades and keeps being so. There is no plausible deniability at this point. No official PR changes that. In fact the Hamas is still way behind the IDF in terms of civilian victims. Unless you have a very long list of the IDF sending its soldiers to jail for every crime they commit, as well as changes in education and policy it has been enforcing, you need to open your eyes and se
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IT hasn't "been the norm." IT's only been "the norm" for Hamas and the PLA to pretend so.
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Second, you equate Palestinians with Hamas. I am not sure why but out of kindness I will assume that it is because you are ignorant rather than malicious.
Nope, he didn't equate Hamas with Palestinians. He equated Hamas with IDF (I guess he could have specifically refer to the al-Qassam Brigades, which is the military wing of Hamas, but to be fair this is usually what people refer to when they say Hamas).
You, on the other hand, want to equate the IDF with Palestinians. I am not sure why but out of kindness I will assume that it is because you are ignorant rather than malicious.
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That one sides have savages doesn't make the other side less savage. The terrorist attacks from Hamas are just as real as the massacres committed by Israeli soldiers, and both need to stop.
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I find the ".com" hilarious.
We should be feeling uncomfortable (Score:3)
I'm going to offer you a choice - you get to kill one terrorist, but at the same time, you will also kill a young child.
Would you take that deal?
Okay, perhaps instead of a young child, how an older child? Or even an innocent adult?
Again, same deal, for one terrorist, you also kill one innocent.
Would you gladly take the deal? Or would you reject it? Perhaps somewhere in-between - you may accept that the life of the innocent is a regrettable but necessary sacrifice to take the life of a terrorist.
Or perhaps you reject this idea as absurd - questioning the premise as contrived.
After all, it sounds contrived. But as a general rule, the ratio of civilian to combatant deaths in most wars is greater than one civilian for every combatant killed. A one-to-one ratio is more favorable than most wars.
So regardless of what your choice would be, it is wise to feel to uncomfortable.
Re:We should be feeling uncomfortable (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:We should be feeling uncomfortable (Score:5, Insightful)
Killing civilians along side terrorists often just creates more terrorists. Especially if you also destroy all the homes and infrastructure, and force the civilians into refugee camps and then bomb those too.
I'm sure many more will be joining Hamas now. Having seen everything they ever had destroyed, no future, and a desire for revenge for the murder of their families, many more will take the gun offered to them and point it at the nearest Israeli.
Which is arguably the point. It's much easier to get away with genocide if you can get the victims to fight back and then label them terrorists.
Re:We should be feeling uncomfortable (Score:4, Insightful)
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Terrorism is a name assigned to those whom you disagree with in order to build support for a fight against them. The thing about terrorists is they have actual support from others. So before you give people the choice or killing a terrorist you need to ask them in their opinion if they are a terrorist or not.
Hamas was an instigator in this war. But in terms of "terror" inflicted on a civilisation, who is the actual terrorist? The guys who killed several hundred, or the guys who killed 10s of thousands. Both
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There is a way to end the violence tomorrow. Israel withdraws from all occupied lands, taking settlers with it, leaving the infrastructure undamaged.
With homes to go to and a future to reach for, few will want to take up arms anymore. Especially if Israel also starts a Truth and Reconciliation movement, with war crimes prosecutions. A proper two state solution and lasting commitment to peace, with Zionism ended for good.
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There used to be peace between those two groups, before Israel existed. The problem is Zionism, get rid of that and in a fairly short space of time things will improve dramatically.
Of course many of the residents of the occupied territories will have to leave in the short term, maybe forever. Fortunately almost all of them have dual citizenship they can rely on.
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Legally speaking, in war civilian casualties must be minimized. Civilians cannot be targeted directly. When a military target is attacked and it is known that civilians are likely to be killed as well (e.g. Israel has command bunkers under urban areas), the person ordering the attack must judge that the military benefit outweighs the civilian cost.
That's why it can be difficult to prosecute those kinds of war crimes - you have to prove that the commander who ordered the strike didn't believe that the milita
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Here's a more interesting choice: This is a magical box here. It has a button. If you push that button, a person dies. A person you have never met and you would never meet in your entire life. But I guarantee you, as soon as you push that button, this person dies.
You'd be amazed how many people say they push it.
What's probably less amazing is how many regret pushing that button when I come and pick up the box, telling them it will go to someone they never met and will never meet in their entire life.
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Don't care about the cause (Score:4, Interesting)
If I'm running a business and an employee tries to occupy my office for a protest, they're going to be immediately terminated and escorted out by security.
Who in their right mind thinks this is a good idea? If you think the company is evil, you quit and take action as a free person. These protesters acted like idiot adult children.
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That's a risk I'm sure most of them were aware of and willing to accept.
If it's just a few employees it won't hurt Google too much to get rid of them, but if there are enough of them and they are vital enough employees.....
I know I've been allowed to get away with certain things that others would not have simply because I was a valued employee.
Example: I refused to sign a new "drug and alcohol policy" that one employer sprung on all of us. My boss did too. I'm pretty sure everyone else in that office sig
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Fuck off, dumbass.
All I said was 'quit first', not, 'smile as you lead Jews into the showers'.
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Well, I guess more and more people now realize how "that" could have been possible: It's what happens when people need money to survive and don't give half a fuck about some people they don't even know about.
Guess it's time to absolve the Germans because we notice that we ain't one lick better. It's easy to sit on a high horse if you don't have to slaughter it for food so you don't starve.
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Gee, it's not like the regular stuff Google does is unethical or anything. All the Google employees seem gung-ho about invading our privacy, enshittifying the Internet, running a virtual monopoly on the Play Store, etc, etc....
Maybe they're not in a great position to preach ethics.
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"Maybe they're not in a great position to preach ethics."
Or maybe it's just that working for a company that's helping perpetrate a genocide is a bridge too far.
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First they force you to return, then they ain't happy if you do.
Useful idiots everywhere (Score:2)
What took 9 hours? I would have shot them.
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Moron.
Objecting to military use is just selfish (Score:2)
I respect the objections that a committed pacifist (or opponent of standing armies) might have to their company taking on military contracts -- even if I disagree. But, anyone else is just being a selfish fucker. They are saying: yes, I agree that we need to maintain a military so someone needs to sell them goods and services but I want it to be someone else so I don't have to feel guilty.
Doing the right thing is often hard. Sometimes it means doing things that make you feel uncomfortable or icky because
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When your workplace gets it own employees arrested, then it becomes a workplace where you don't want to work any more. If you choose to stay for the money, be honest with yourself, you are an accomplice.
Oh, So Google Does Know What Private Property Is (Score:2)
But remember, if Google pushes out an "update" that bricks ten million phones, or removes content from ten million cellphones that ten million consumers paid for, without compensation .... there will be NO ARRESTS made. None. None whatsoever. Better still, nobody at Google ever has to worry about law enforcement showing up.
Ditto if Apple receives your stolen iPhone and fails to return it.
YOU will be charged with receiving stolen property.
They will be charged with nothing whatsoever. Even if they never g
They seem to not have gotten the memo (Score:2)
"Don't be evil" was yesterday. The current Google motto is "everything for a buck". The way to deal with this is to walk away. Well, if you have real skills that is. Otherwise you may want to rethink that "protest" thing.
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Re:Lying Palestinian Supporters (Score:5, Interesting)
Most of the protestors were not even Google employees.
Ah yes, the lies begin so early. Let us hear the "evidence" you have for this lie.
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Israel is the only true democracy in the Middle East.
Tunisia is also a democracy.
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Tunisia is not in the Middle East [wikipedia.org].
From Tunisia, go east across all of Libya, and THEN -- once you cross into Egypt -- you're in the Middle East.
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And Tunisia is a dictatorship. https://www.wilsoncenter.org/a... [wilsoncenter.org]
I can't think of a single country on the southern Mediterranean shore that is an actual democracy. Maybe Ceuta, but that's just a tiny Spanish enclave.
Re: The alternative is Sharia law (Score:2)
Maybe if Israel would protect its people instead of murdering them or leaving them to street gangs, then they'd have more time to organize a pride parade.
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Nice comparison of apples and terrorists. The terrorists who took over Lebanon were not trying to wipe out every since Lebanese person. You're suggesting the Jews accept rule by Nazis, who would promptly put them all right back in concentration camps or just rape and burn them all alive.
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Notice that i'm not defending Hamas, but Hamas was promoted by Israel to divide the Palestinians , just like the Taliban where promoted by USA to counter URSS... in both cases, just like you said: "You reap what you sow"
Where in god's name do you get your history? From the Flat Earth Society?
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I'm sure they'll reciprocate, then wipe out most of the world's Jews. But the world's anti-Semites and useful idiots will rejoice, over there and over here.
And I'm sure they'll be claiming victimhood status the whole time, as they steal food and water and use their own people as human shields.
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This isn't about Jews. It's about a fascist regime committing genocide and murdering innocent civilians including children, Christians and Americans - and civilians from many countries who are actually American allies.
I saw a comment on an article about the attack on World Central Kitchen in the Washington Post a week or so ago that said this would be the incident that finally wakes the world up to Israeli atrocities.
I replied that I had thought the same thing over the last few years, even before 10/7 whe
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It is 100% to criticize Israel when the source of your information is Hamas' PR machine.
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Right now they're more the flood people.
Re:These Google ex-employees were anti-Semitic. (Score:5, Insightful)
Many of those so quick to label things "anti-Semitic" are the same people claiming the term "racism" has lost its meaning because it is used far too broadly and criticizing someone for their views isn't racist just because they are of another "race".
Anti-Semitism is just a specific kind of racism - towards Jews.
I do not believe supporting basic human rights for Palestinians is "anti-Semitism". I also don't believe criticizing Netanyahu or Israeli's policies is anti-Semitism. I see a lot of people claiming "anti-Semitism" who aren't even Jews and are blatantly racist towards Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims in general.
[I don't want to quibble about Islam not being a race, but hating Muslims is just as evil as hating Jews simply for their faith and we're all of the human race.]
I only watched a little of the video of these protesters and have only read a couple of articles, but I saw criticism of Israel, not hatred towards Jews.
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If you want to see some real anti-Semitism, look at how Israel treats ultra orthodox Jews who don't subscribe to Zionism.
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The reason why more and more people in so-called "Western" countries start to hate Islam, is because Islam is showing it's true colors more and more. Gay people get harassed, Jews get harassed, Christians get harassed. Guess by who? Yup, Muslims. Which religion is overly represented in the prisons in Western Europe? Yup, Islam.
Islam is a religion which breeds terrorists, simply because of how it's put together. About 60% of all Muslims in Europe want to see Sharia law implemented. There's a huge bunch of Mu
Re: These Google ex-employees were anti-Semitic. (Score:2, Insightful)
Yea lol nobody is buying a that revised version of history any more.
Historians were a bit reluctant to challenge that directly due to everyone being squeamish to call out Israeli bullshit for what it was.
But not any more. Keep spewing that shit, but I think you know that nobody is buying it any more.
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It is literally true. Every word of it.
Jordan (formerly Transjordan) is the Arab state carved out of the British Mandate of Palestine after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.
The rest was designated as a Jewish homeland, but the Arabs violently objected.
Of course, every other party of the Ottoman Empire except Turkey itself is also now an Arab state.
In the 1948 Arab-Israeli war, one day after the modern state of Israel was created, it was invaded by the combined armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Lebano
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You say that like it's supposed to mean something. Similar would be the US declaring the state for the Sioux/Iroquois/Mandan to be in Canada or Mexico.
Which no one had any business doing, as said Jews have no more ties to Palestine than you or I do to a slice of China if we convert to Confucianism. They are Europeans who converted
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Are you counting Gaza and the Occupied West Bank as "Israel"? Are you considering the fact that most are not allowed citizenship for the most part?
Do you care that Christians living in Bethlehem have to get permission from the IDF to go to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem?
Also funny that you claim Palestinians originated in (Trans- )Jordan. Israelites originated from east of Transjordan. You can call Palestinians Canaanites for all I care, but they are the people who were living there for ce
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Palestine was the name the Romans gave to Israel
No one cares. History is history. I don't complain about Trump being in court in "New Amsterdam" either. What Romans did is something for history buffs and has no bearing on what we call Palestinians today. Israelites are not Palestinians by any sensical understanding of how these labels work. There are Palestinians living in Israel, and they make up a minority of the country.
Re: These Google ex-employees were anti-Semitic. (Score:3)
Antisemitism is a meaningless word. You'll have to be more specific. What did they do? Call for Israeli government reform? Cause the ADL thinks that's antisemitic.
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And Walter Ulbricht said that nobody plans to build a wall.
Talk is cheap.