California State Legislator Proposes Ending Daylight Saving Time (cbs8.com) 186
Legislation proposed in California "aims to repeal Daylight saving time and put California permanently on Standard time," reports a San Diego news station:
In November 2018, California voters passed Prop 7, a measure that would allow the state legislature to change Daylight saving time by either keeping it year-round or getting rid of it altogether. However, this measure also requires approval by the U.S. Congress if California were to opt for year-round Daylight Saving Time. So far, nothing has materialized.
"I am really, really passionate about this bill," said State Assembly Member Tri Ta, who added it is finally time to listen to the will of the voters. He has drafted new legislation that to do away with twice-yearly time changes. However, his bill would put the Golden State onto year-round Standard time: a move that would not require federal action. Oregon and Washington state are also considering similar moves [though Oregon's bill appears stalled]. "If my bill is passed, we do not need congressional approval," Ta told CBS 8, "so that's a win-win for everyone...."
Ta said that his bill has the support of the California Medical Association, as well as sleep experts who say Standard time syncs better with our natural clocks. "So why don't we go along with science?" Ta added. "That's what I believe." One things most people seem to agree on: it's time to stop changing our clocks, which research has shown leads to higher rates of accidents as well as increased health risks.
"While this new bill continues to work its way through Sacramento, Daylight saving time is still a go here in California," the article points out, "starting 2 a.m. Sunday, when we set our clocks forward one hour."
But USA Today adds that across the rest of the country, "Most Americans — 62% — are in favor of ending the time change, according to an Economist/YouGov poll from last year."
In November 2018, California voters passed Prop 7, a measure that would allow the state legislature to change Daylight saving time by either keeping it year-round or getting rid of it altogether. However, this measure also requires approval by the U.S. Congress if California were to opt for year-round Daylight Saving Time. So far, nothing has materialized.
"I am really, really passionate about this bill," said State Assembly Member Tri Ta, who added it is finally time to listen to the will of the voters. He has drafted new legislation that to do away with twice-yearly time changes. However, his bill would put the Golden State onto year-round Standard time: a move that would not require federal action. Oregon and Washington state are also considering similar moves [though Oregon's bill appears stalled]. "If my bill is passed, we do not need congressional approval," Ta told CBS 8, "so that's a win-win for everyone...."
Ta said that his bill has the support of the California Medical Association, as well as sleep experts who say Standard time syncs better with our natural clocks. "So why don't we go along with science?" Ta added. "That's what I believe." One things most people seem to agree on: it's time to stop changing our clocks, which research has shown leads to higher rates of accidents as well as increased health risks.
"While this new bill continues to work its way through Sacramento, Daylight saving time is still a go here in California," the article points out, "starting 2 a.m. Sunday, when we set our clocks forward one hour."
But USA Today adds that across the rest of the country, "Most Americans — 62% — are in favor of ending the time change, according to an Economist/YouGov poll from last year."
Is it that time of the year again? (Score:2, Insightful)
Because like clockwork, whenever we participate in the ridiculous adjusting of clocks for no particular reason, someone comes along and gets our hopes up that the whole crap may finally end.
It won't.
Nobody really wants to end it. They just want to keep us from finally snapping and doing what I did ages ago: Refuse to participate and just come to and go home from work an hour later during Summer.
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Like what? Pretty much all systems that auto-adjust get their information from some time server now. Everything else needs manual adjustments which is moot without the DST song-and-dance.
You may want to check your watches every now and then without DST to see whether they diverge too much from the actual time since you don't get to do the time adjustment dance twice a year anymore.
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Some systems use offline timezone database to change to DST based on what date it is.
Linux has tzdata, Windows has something. If a system is EOL and there are no new packages and the repo is gone, some systems will use the old dates.
Not to mention systems that aren't beeing updated automatically.
I have some clocks that change based on date. No way to update them. Would have to adjust the clock 4 times per year to keep up with the old dst and new dst.
Sure, might not be THAT many, but there are some.
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I think I'll compromise. I'll stay on same schedule year round, but use a blend of the two.
I'll go into work on winter time and leave work on summer time each day
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It's supposed to like clockwork, but my cell phone did not get the message last night. It's still on standard time.
The internet-set clocks are correct. Consumer Cellular dropped the ball. Or whoever they piggyback on did.
Re:Is it that time of the year again? (Score:5, Insightful)
Deal with it. Our sense of time is different in the summer compared to the winter, and the effect is more pronounced, if you go further north. You can ignore it. Then people complain about long dark hours in the morning during winter, especially if you opt for year round daylight saving time. Or people complain in the Summer, that they wake up too early because the Sun shines in their windows, while they waste the long bright hours in the evening for being too tired.
Daylight saving time is a compromise. As such, it has disadvantages. But apparently, it is better than the alternatives, because every time it was abolished, it was reinstated again very soon. Let 1973 be a lesson to you.
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The solution is obviously to get better ways to keep out the sun from your apartment. It worked great for me.
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Not quite. 1973 saw permanent DST instituted. And it was universally hated and repealed the following year. Had Nixon got congress to abolish DST, there would have been widespread support and it would never have been repealed. That much is pretty clear. Keeping your time zone as close to solar time as possible, within reason, is fairly well-supported.
Alberta had a referendum on permanent DST, and it failed in a landslide. Had the referendum been about abolishing DST the result would have been quite di
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Since its introduction, there has never been an instance in which daylight saving time (DST) was "abolished"—especially 1973. In 1973, DST was made permanent and semiannual changes back to standard time were abolished. Yes, 1973 was a lesson, but not the one you are claiming.
Humanity
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You know what is really funny? As soon as you get rid of Daylight saving time one way or another, over the course of a year, you will get a popular movement to reinstate it again.
Deal with it. Our sense of time is different in the summer compared to the winter, and the effect is more pronounced, if you go further north. You can ignore it. Then people complain about long dark hours in the morning during winter, especially if you opt for year round daylight saving time. Or people complain in the Summer, that they wake up too early because the Sun shines in their windows, while they waste the long bright hours in the evening for being too tired.
Daylight saving time is a compromise. As such, it has disadvantages. But apparently, it is better than the alternatives, because every time it was abolished, it was reinstated again very soon. Let 1973 be a lesson to you.
This, here in the UK the amount of sunlight we get during mid winter is half that we get during mid summer. January has 8 hours whilst July has 16.5 hours.
Daylight saving is designed to maximise how best to use that daylight. If we kept to BST (+1 GMT) all year long the sun won't be up until 9 AM, 8 AM would still be nearly pitch black, OTOH if we kept GMT year round the in June the sun would be up at 4 AM... not just creeping over the horizon, but pretty much broad daylight, it'll actually start getting
Baron Von Savings Time. (Score:2)
Nobody really wants to end it. They just want to keep us from finally snapping and doing what I did ages ago: Refuse to participate and just come to and go home from work an hour later during Summer.
And the way they keep the masses from snapping, is by sustaining the tradition of mind-fucking us every 6 months about it, rambling on and on about how THIS year just might be The Year?
Are we SURE Baron Munchausen didn’t invent Daylight Savings Time? Because I swear..
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In the end, it doesn't matter. Time is just nature's solution to avoid having too many things happen at once.
But frankly, whether noon is called noon or 6pm doesn't really make that big a difference, it's a naming convention, nothing more.
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Re: Is it that time of the year again? (Score:2)
You mean like King Hezekiah?
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Re: Is it that time of the year again? (Score:5, Informative)
Being bussed in the dark didn't matter
Except it does matter. There have been numerous studies [apa.org] that showed a wide range of positive results that correlated with a later school starting time.
You, personally, may have been fine with getting up early and going to school in the dark but a lot of kids suffer from it.
Re: Is it that time of the year again? (Score:5, Insightful)
>"You, personally, may have been fine with getting up early and going to school in the dark but a lot of kids suffer from it."
I remember going to school very well. And even under winter (Standard) time, it was still dark in the morning for many weeks when I was waiting for the bus. OMG, how DID we survive? And where I lived, we didn't even have street lights. What horror!
It is a very weak argument for opposing permanent DST (summer) time. And that is why the proposal for permanent DST is the most popular. Almost half the States have already approved it and are waiting on Congress. Meanwhile, States could have chosen permanent standard time for decades and ONLY ONE has done so.
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Sorry, I meant to say only TWO States chose year-round Standard time (forgot Hawaii).
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I think Oregon is pushing for abolishing time changes; of course being Oregon we're going to do it ass fucking backwards with maximum retardation
>permanent standard time
because who wants an extra hour of daylight in the winter? Not me!
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And what makes you think permanent DST would give you that? There are only so many hours of daylight each day, and shifting the clock one hour won't change that. It's called Daylight Saving Time, but it really should be called Daylight Shifting Time because that's all it does. If you think it would help in the winter, take a look at what happened when it was tried in the '70s: it was such a disaster that it was canceled after one yea
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I mean correct me if I'm wrong but currently under standard time the sun sets in late December at around 4:45. I'd much rather have that occur at 5:45.
Math is super hard, but I'm pretty sure that it checks out in this case?
(So perhaps I should have been more clear: an extra hour of daylight in the afternoon/evening.)
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Balanced out by an extra hour of darkness in the morning.
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Not sure what you are talking about.
But if you are implying that I made up or exaggerated going to school in the dark, and with no street lights, I can assure you I remember it quite well and it was fact. And that huge housing development still has no street lights. It was kinda cool, too, and intentional. Almost no straight roads, no street lights, earth berms on both sides of any major roads, houses almost all on cul-de-sacs, wooded lots. It was peaceful, beautiful, and quiet, and at night you could s
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I remember my time walking to school, too. There indeed was a lot of snow. Going to school was a chore. I was the one with the longest way to school so I was the one who had to walk alone for a stretch of the road, in pitch darkness and alone. Not cool if you're like 7 years old. I always hurried to make it to my friend's house, so at least I wasn't alone anymore. It was effin' scary. It was a rural little place and during Winter, it was like dead before eight or nine, because there was no reason to go out
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In my case it was just walking to the bus stop, which (for just about everyone) was only dozens to a few hundred feet from their homes (anywhere along the route of the buses). It was suburban, not rural. That was elementary. I don't think any children walked to elementary school, unless they lived right on top of it.
For middle school, I mostly took the bus, but I opted to take my bike to school sometimes. The entire community had bike paths, not attached to roads. And the school was about two miles fro
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When you live up north, DST doesn't really matter. It's more of a nuisance than anything.
In the winter, everyone wakes up in the dark, goes to work in the dark, then goes home in the dark. In the summer, everyone wakes up in the sun and most go to bed when it's still daylight.
Does it matter if the sun sets at 11 pm instead of 10 pm? No.
But where DST is particularly annoying is in October, where it has the effect of robbing the morning daylight when everyone is waking up for another month. If it were kept be
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You, personally, may have been fine with getting up early and going to school in the dark but a lot of kids suffer from it.
If this was "suffering" then a good chunk of the world would be suffering. I don't think kids suffer. I think they are soft pansies who need to harden the fuck up and learn that life doesn't stop at sunset.
Maybe a bit of "suffering" may teach them some basic responsibility.
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Rather than changing the clocks (which screws up everything), here's an idea: Just adjust working/opening/etc. hours to make it better for those who would benefit from the change. Don't screw up everyone's clock.
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Two points:
You don't really want the date changing during the middle of the working day.
If you look up what time it is now in a particular timezone, it gives you a good indication as to whether they are going to be working / in bed asleep.
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You don't really want the date changing during the middle of the working day.
Disagree. Spring forward at noon. Fall back at midnight. One less hour of work in the spring, one extra hour of sleep in the fall.
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That is something I could get behind. But I would argue that we have to keep adjusting the clocks a couple more hours that way.
Re:Is it that time of the year again? (Score:5, Insightful)
Permanent DST is kinda stupid, permanent normal time is sensible.
And if you want to take advantage of a sunrise of 4am in Summer, get up an hour earlier.
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>"Permanent DST is kinda stupid, permanent normal time is sensible."
Nope. Permanent DST makes perfect sense. Nobody cares how close to solar noon the time is or isn't. What most do care about is having more daylight after work, when it is most useful to them.
No option is perfect. A large majority of the population wants to end changing time. This is, by far, the most important thing. Seems each year, even more people want this insanity to end.
And it would have ended already, except there are two wa
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Reply to self for correction: Sorry, I meant to say only TWO States chose year-round Standard time (forgot Hawaii).
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>"Permanent DST, as has been stated before", has been tried. People don't like driving to work in pitch black darkness, but that's what permanent DST gives you in Winter."
I live in the mid-Atlantic and, as I pointed out already, even in standard time, I still ended up waiting for the school bus in the dark and, later, driving to work in the dark. We need to allow States to choose, and they can decide what works best for them. Tons will change to permanent DST, some might then change back if it doesn't
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As far as I'm concerned, pick a time and stick with it. I don't care about sun or no sun, I live in a sun-less bunker 23 of the 24 hours of the day anyway. That hour left is mostly going to and from work and dealing with the other shit you need to suffer from when having to deal with the physical needs of the body. If there is ever a sensible groceries delivery system available around here, I can probably lower that hour a day considerably, too.
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Depends how far north.
In Scotland for example, which is about the same distance north as Alaska, there's about 21 hours of daylight in the middle of summer and 3 in the middle of winter, so changing the clocks is pretty pointless. You are going to be travelling to/from work/school/etc in the dark in winter, and you are going to wake up and go to sleep in daylight in the middle of summer.
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Oh please, Scotland is about the same latitude with the Aleuts, don't act like you're in the middle of Teshekpuk lake, you'd have to be north of Iceland to get there.
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Re: Is it that time of the year again? (Score:2)
That's more of an argument that schools are stupid for not operating different hours during winter.
Re:Is it that time of the year again? (Score:4, Informative)
Your body doesn't know what time it is
Okay. Please provide an alternate explanation for how and why I wake up ten to fifteen minutes before my alarm actually goes off every day regardless of whether I've had enough sleep or not.
And don't forget to cite your sources. If you're going to state something as a fact, you need evidence to support that.
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Start school at 10am instead of 9am? Adjust for whatever time schools actually start in your school district.
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That would require changes to the jobs of parents too. At least for those with elementary school kids. And no, I'm not suggesting that all parents drive their kids to school [although that is a depressing reality around me]. Around here not only are there a lot of parents acting as chauffeurs, I've been told [note, I don't have kids] that elementary school children are not allowed to be unattended at the bus stop.
I get it, that's generally stupid. I used to walk to school in elementary [albeit I only lived
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We've already tried permanent DST and it didn't work. In 1973 President Richard Nixon signed a bill putting the U.S. on permanent DST, and the vast majority of Americans approved of it. One year later it was repealed. As soon as winter came everyone complained about kids having to go to school in the dark (among other things).
By some definition of "tried". They switched to DST early (in January), but it ended right when it normally would have. Forcing somebody to switch when they're not expecting it is going to get a lot more complaints than not forcing someone to switch when they are expecting it, but the latter hasn't ever been tried.
No, DST does not cause health problems. Your body doesn't know what time it is. No one should be bothered by a one hour time change.
Business Insider [businessinsider.com] would beg to disagree.
Every year on the Monday after the transition to DST, there's a 24% spike in heart attacks [bmj.com], and a 21% drop in the fall on the Monday after we switch back.
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Oh, well, if Business Insider said it... [eyeroll]
Their article provided a heck of a lot of citations from legit medical journals for you to just dismiss it with an eye roll.
Woo hoo! (Score:5, Informative)
Ah, the Slashdot tradition continues. Twice a year, we all just post the same things we've posted on these stories here before. I especially enjoy the posts from people who think we should just move to UTC.
Come on guys, don't disappoint me!
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Let the whining begin! Oh the humanity! My life is ruined for the next six months. I'll never recover from this. This is too difficult. My life is flashing before my eyes.
Here's the solution: get your ass out of bed and go outside. Any sunlight you receive will start resetting your internal clock. Follow your normal schedule based on the time of the clock, not what you feel.
This is the same thing people who fly long distances are told to do when they arrive. Go outside and get in the sun (assuming y
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Yeah we should all do some e tra bullshit twice a year to gain the benefits of clock changing, which were totally worth it.
The ones such as... uhm... and.. uh... errr.. and that other one, too!
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1 hour is hardly jet lag. It's an insignificant alteration on a weekend.
Americans are just lazy whiners.
You've convinced me ... I can hardly argue with that logic!
Anything else I can do to make things easier for you? Pretend that it's a different month perhaps? Change the date of Christmas? I aim to please! :p
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TST? In other words, permanent 1936?
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Why do you hate Jesse Owens?
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I was thinking more about the "Elections" [wikipedia.org] in that year.
And I use the term very loosely here.
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Are you an election denier? An insurrectionist?
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I enjoy my votes without gunpoint.
Even though... last election, I am pretty sure a lot of people would, if asked "Biden or Trump" at gunpoint, would just have said "fuck it, just pull the damn trigger".
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You're not even American. Your opinion isn't relevant for this country.
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Neither is mine, yet you discuss it with me.
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Because you're not hiding behind AC and you make interesting and intelligent commentary and responses.
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I'd like to claim I've gotten older and wiser over the years, but I think I can only demonstrate the "older" part...
Grass is always greener. (Score:2, Informative)
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Why change bus schedules? We went in heavy rain, snow, fog, smog, and everything else but dark is unbearable?
My kid can damned well get her ass up when it's dark to go to school if that's how it goes. It's not like kids today know what the sun even looks like, anyway.
For years I got up in the dark to go to work along with millions of others. Boo hoo.
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Why change bus schedules? We went in heavy rain, snow, fog, smog, and everything else but dark is unbearable?
My kid can damned well get her ass up when it's dark to go to school if that's how it goes. It's not like kids today know what the sun even looks like, anyway.
For years I got up in the dark to go to work along with millions of others. Boo hoo.
Well, while people use the "think of the children" meme, there are more reasons than having the little larvae standing in the dark.
One of the strangest things (I'm not saying you said this) is that there is a sizable number of people who think tht DST was just an invention that serves no purpose - you can see it in so many of the comments here.
I gots to - I simply gots to dish out a little truth here. Pls forgive the pedantry, I think a lot of the naysayers need it
Daylight savings time was invented
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Let's compromise (Score:3)
Don't the best compromises make everyone unhappy?
Just move the clocks half an hour, once, and stop there.
Solved it!
Re:Let's compromise (Score:5, Interesting)
There's nothing more retarded than 30min timezones. Here's looking at you Central Australia, India, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Iran, and OMG I just realised the desert sand and dehydration makes people do stupid things.
Quick, go get a glass of water!
Re: Let's compromise (Score:2)
There is a desert in Newfoundland, Canada?
What is your theory for them? Proximity to Francophones?
I'm looking at you Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon.
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There's nothing more retarded than 30min timezones. Here's looking at you Central Australia, India, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Iran, and OMG I just realised the desert sand and dehydration makes people do stupid things.
Quick, go get a glass of water!
DST was born of the same idea that led us to those 24 hour time zones.
Just an attempt to adapt the time on the clock to local conditions.
A lot of us - myself included - use UTC time at times, when we're dealing with people and actions on a global scale. 1200Z is 1200Z across the globe. But that day/night thing makes us need to shift to the 24 time zones because if you want to do business during the day with someone across the globe, you prefer to do it during their daylight hours.
So the desire to ha
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There's nothing more retarded than 30min timezones.
Allow me to introduce you to the 45-minute timezones:
- Australia Central Western at +8:45
- Nepal at +5:45
- Chatham Island (New Zealand) at +12:45/+13:45
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In defence of the Australian Central Western timezone, the only government that officially recognises it is the Shire of Dundas, which happens to have a population of 0. Yes that's right, zero. Why? Because Australia that's why, STFU and grab another stubby and a prawn off the barbie.
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Want to make everyone unhappy? Here's a proposal:
Make sunrise at 06:00, sunset at 18:00, every day. Adjust the number of seconds in a minute each day to compensate.
After all, as posted elsewhere in every one of these DST topics on slashdot, everybody has a smartphone, so as long as their phone is programmed to automatically adjust, what difference does it make if it's nonsense.
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Want to make everyone unhappy? Here's a proposal:
Make sunrise at 06:00, sunset at 18:00, every day. Adjust the number of seconds in a minute each day to compensate.
After all, as posted elsewhere in every one of these DST topics on slashdot, everybody has a smartphone, so as long as their phone is programmed to automatically adjust, what difference does it make if it's nonsense.
You are roughly describing time when everything was local. Noon was when the sun was at its highest.
But in a world that was expanding beyond the local, we ended up needing some sort of coordination. Things like trains needed to have some idea of a schedule, and without one, with only local time in force, who knew what time the trains were coming in, and worse, one bad calculation could end up in a disastrous collision. What is more, the speed at which we could travel showed anyone paying attention that
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>"Don't the best compromises make everyone unhappy?"
Yes and no. But the correct "compromise" is the allow the States to do what they want, as designed. States can already choose the insanity of changing time twice a year or permanent Standard time all year. They have had that one choice for decades.
States now just need the ability to choose permanent Saving (summer) time all year. Almost half the States already have passed legislation to do it (permanent Saving/summer time) as soon as Congress "allow
Let's be smarter about this (Score:3)
Let's think of this like developers. We are all familiar with cruft, scope creep, and technical debt. DST is all three.
We all know that as long as the same executive team remains in place, technical debt just won't be repaid. The only time we'll get a chance to go back to formula is when new executives come on board, they fire all the old line managers, and bring in an entirely new crew to run the place.
Cruft is an enormous problem with modern forms of government because the core government management team never changes. Yes, the figureheads are swapped out routinely, but they don't get to bring in a new team. Government administrations have only the appearance of change, not the reality.
What we need, I think, is to create some kind of event that forces government to require that DST is laid to rest. The real problem is what cockamamie thing might be created in its place. What we want is a clean break, to just remove DST entire. Hm.
Thinking.
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Thinking.
If you have such a need for an end to DST - just use Zulu time. One time the entire world, and no accommodation for wiled swings in day/night differences. No time zones. Midnight is the same moment worldwide. If I call a meeting at 1450 Z, it doesn't matter if it is light or dark out, it is one specific time the world over.
Time zones are part and parcel of this silly adjustment to time. Why should if be 4 different time zones across the USA - that is exactly the same kind of thinking as DST, I do take
Curious takeaway from the YouGov poll (Score:4, Insightful)
The linked survey from last year shows that about half of respondents who want to eliminate the twice-yearly time change want permanent Daylight Savings. It also shows that a little more than half prefer to start their day when it’s light outside than when it’s dark. That’s a contradiction; it tells me that a significant portion of the population doesn’t really know how time works. You can’t have it both ways.
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The linked survey from last year shows that about half of respondents who want to eliminate the twice-yearly time change want permanent Daylight Savings. It also shows that a little more than half prefer to start their day when it’s light outside than when it’s dark. That’s a contradiction; it tells me that a significant portion of the population doesn’t really know how time works. You can’t have it both ways.
A significant portion of people are clueless, sad but true. In my area, there are pretty wild swings in day/night length. So If you don't have a clock change, you'll be getting up at around four in the morning during the summer, and four hours later in the winter.
When we evolved, everything was local. When was noon? When the sun was at it's zenith. So it changed every day. And living on a sphere? Noon everywhere .
I would wager that our clueless friends think that the big swings in day night length are
Re: Curious takeaway from the YouGov poll (Score:2)
I vote that darkness at the end of the day is worse.
As do I. When kids are walking to school in the dark, at least I know where they are. When they go outside to play after school, they are much less pedictable.
1. Your kids do go outside, right?
2. Buy them one of those cheap LED lights for walking to school. If they are good enough for your dog ...
3. For all the people who say high schoolers can't wake up early: Stop requiring them to watch The Really, Really Late Show every night. First period in school should require a review of the Farm Report.
4. This
Trot ot the same old (Score:2)
If you live in the northern/southern temperate zones, where there are rather large swings in day/night length, it makes very good sense, as getting light at 4 in the morning, or dark at 4:30 in the afternoon is perhaps not optimum. So you adjust the time of day to make the living and working conditions align more with people liking to work in light, and relax and sleep in darkness
Further North
Windows mktime is borked (Score:2)
A few countries on this planet insist upon doing their DST transitions at midnight local time. Never mind the weird concept of the date itself not just time of day moving back to the previous day when DST ends.
There are hilarious consequences such as 00:00 not existing. I distinctly remember not being able to physically enter the date of DST transition because the start of that day did not exist. The day starts at 01:00 and the software assumed date by itself is 00:00.
To make matters worse mktime() is bo
This is an interesting study... (Score:2)
...in the way bad ideas live forever
Once it becomes established, people plan their lives around it
Even though many would love to see it gone, others fight hard to keep it, because change would be a major disruption to their schedules and routines
Of course, it it never existed and someone proposed it for the first time, it would have little chance of adoption
The California solution (Score:2)
What this bill actually provides for is ending DST for clocks costing less than $950, those being the clocks that must be adjusted manually every spring and fall. Clocks costing more than that are mostly on smartphones, and so adjust themselves automatically.
Some say people dislike dark mornings more. (Score:2)
If anyone's looking for a conspiracy, the ski industry lobbies heavily against it.
some like it (Score:3)
California is like 1000 miles north to south. (Also from south to north.) The alleged advantage of DST is to align standard work hours more auspiciously to the period of daylight. The amplitude of the change in daylight hours between summer and winter is more pronounced at the north end of Calif than the south end. What's good for the goose might not be good for the gander.
Why kill a bad thing? (Score:2)
Daylight savings is annoying and causes problems. Why should we end it? Just because it would make life better? Daylight savings time builds character.
Repeating History (Score:2)
Nothing like repeating history:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com... [smithsonianmag.com]
The crazy thing is that everyone cites "studies" siding with their side of the argument. But there's no clear indicator of changing clocks are good or bad.
I can't find it now, but there's a view of the US with areas where DST is most appreciated. This works out to be in the north-east of each timezone - because they get the morning shift and extended daylight in the summer. Compare that with population densities, and New England and Chicago
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Doesn't matter if there is anything good or bad about it. It's just stupid. There are no real benefits to doing it. Farmers never needed it. Businesses don't need it - doesn't matter if it's global or in the arctic. Any appreciation or benefit people think they are getting from shifting the clocks, they're just making bullshit up.
Personally, I am considering turning all the automatic DST stuff off at this point and sticking with this time on my own. You wanna deal with me, then you can do it on my time - li
Huey: "Again?" (Score:2)
TV Announcer: "Again."
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The monkeys are smart enough to reprogram their clocks, microwave ovens, media devices, stovetops, alarm clocks, car dashboards, wristwatches, and wall clocks twice a year, but not smart enough to elect politicians who will remove a 106 year-old law that wasn't never useful in the first place.
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The monkeys are smart enough to reprogram their clocks, microwave ovens, media devices, stovetops, alarm clocks, car dashboards, wristwatches, and wall clocks twice a year, but not smart enough to elect politicians who will remove a 106 year-old law that wasn't never useful in the first place.
One of the most amazing things is that people will make these claims - You are challenged to give a report on why Daylight Savings Time was never useful.
Then you are challenged to explain why time zones are useful. Challenge accepted?
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DST is like the tide. You cannot 'legislate' that away, but there are always people who are going to try. Because they're so self-important that they think that time is something that should make it's schedule around their whims, instead of having to admit that they live by the clock. Anti-DST people cannot make the Sun listen to them, though it's a bit iffy as which one is the bigger ball of gas.
And think also of time zones. If DST is some sort of evil, then the global application of time zones is some sort of abomination.
Time zones and DST are functionally equivalent. A wrong headed attempt to regulate dark/light periods.
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This actually is what the article last year pointed out. Everybody wants to stop the switching, but they can't agree on DST or Standard. The study (one of the few to look at this in more detail) discovered a geographic component.
People who lived on the eastern edge of their timezone tended to prefer DST, usually because sunsets were too early making them feel like the day was over too soon.
People who lived on the western edge of their timezone tended to prefer Standard, because their sunrises were so late w
Re: To hell with the "sleep experts" (Score:2)
Maybe the answer is that timezones are too wide.
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The people who value, and have a preference of, when the light happens can suck a cactus because their opinions don't matter. The rest of us don't care when or where the light is happening. The rest of us don't actually care if we stay on permanent DST or ST. We just don't want to switch the clocks anymore. So just pick one and everyone who complains can go fuck themselves.