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The Great Freight-Train Heists of the 21st Century 78

Cargo theft from freight trains in the Los Angeles area has surged, with detectives estimating over 90 containers being opened daily and that theft on their freight trains in the Union Pacific area was up some 160 percent from the previous year. Nationally, cargo theft neared $1 billion in losses last year. Companies decline comment but California's governor publicly questioned the widespread railroad theft. Most arrested were not organized; many were homeless people nearby opportunistically taking fallen boxes off tracks. Theft stems largely from e-commerce boom that reshaped freight shipping to meet consumer demand, opening vulnerabilities. Railroad police forces and online retailers aim to combat this but concede difficulty tracking stolen goods resold anonymously online. Some products stolen from containers even get resold back on Amazon. The New York Times Magazine: Sometimes products stolen out of Amazon containers are resold by third-party sellers back on Amazon in a kind of strange ouroboros, in which the snakehead of capitalism hungrily swallows its piracy tail. Last June, California's attorney general created what was touted as a first-of-its-kind agreement among online retailers that committed them to doing a better job tracking, reporting and preventing stolen items from being resold on their platforms. While declining to comment on specific cases, a spokesperson for Amazon told me that the company is working to improve the process of vetting sellers: The number of "bad actor attempts" to create new selling accounts on Amazon decreased to 800,000 in 2022 from six million in 2020.
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The Great Freight-Train Heists of the 21st Century

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  • by VampireByte ( 447578 ) on Friday January 26, 2024 @10:00PM (#64191434) Homepage

    The snakehead of capitalism says this is from a paywalled article.

  • but California's governor publicly questioned the widespread railroad theft

    Questioned it on what basis? Don't the freight/tracking companies know definitively what they lost and how would the governor office have a clue. Why is "theft" a political issue?

    • Theft is a political issue because so many Democrat voters are thieves . Breaking and entering  freight-cars is small-beans for the experienced NIKElooter crowd.   Democrat candidates count on "thefting" voters  like RepubliFats count on polo players. 
  • Nice spin. (Score:4, Informative)

    by russotto ( 537200 ) on Friday January 26, 2024 @10:15PM (#64191460) Journal

    California's governor publicly questioned the widespread railroad theft. Most arrested were not organized; many were homeless people nearby opportunistically taking fallen boxes off tracks.

    Yes, that's because the primary thieves (who dropped the stuff the homeless were stealing) got away clean.

    Theft stems largely from e-commerce boom that reshaped freight shipping to meet consumer demand, opening vulnerabilities.

    That's right, blame the victim for providing something to steal.

    • Re:Nice spin. (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Retired Chemist ( 5039029 ) on Friday January 26, 2024 @10:52PM (#64191530)
      Blame the victim for being unwilling to pay for adequate security. The railyards are private property, and their security is the responsibility of the owners. Like any private property, the police are only to supposed to enter if a crime has already been committed. In St. Louis, if you go into the railyards without a good reason the railroad security people will be all over you. It does not stop theft, but it reduces it. As for not prosecuting the crimes, they are not even reported, so they cannot be prosecuted.
      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        Blame the victim for being unwilling to pay for adequate security. The railyards are private property, and their security is the responsibility of the owners. Like any private property, the police are only to supposed to enter if a crime has already been committed. In St. Louis, if you go into the railyards without a good reason the railroad security people will be all over you. It does not stop theft, but it reduces it. As for not prosecuting the crimes, they are not even reported, so they cannot be prosecuted.

        Probably because having physical security isn't such a liability in St. Louis, and people caught almost certainly won't be doing it again any time soon. California doesn't work that way.

        • Seriously. My car window was smashed when visiting SFO in 2020. This had become rampant everywhere, leave *nothing* visible. Police are very frustrated.

          Their three strikes laws have filled the jails, so their solution is to never prosecute!

          So go take a container off a train, there is no real down side.

      • And those security guards should be permitted to shoot to kill. The problem with California is that the criminals have more legal protection than any security guard.

        • Re:Nice spin. (Score:4, Insightful)

          by cusco ( 717999 ) <brian@bixby.gmail@com> on Saturday January 27, 2024 @09:59AM (#64192198)

          Security guards do **NOT** want that right, much less that responsibility. I've worked in Security for a long time, and have never, ever, met a guard who thought that they should be able to shoot someone for stealing something much less kill them. (Have met two cops who did, though.)

          Now consider for a moment any security guards that you might have met. Would you trust them to make the correct judgement before shooting to kill? The vast majority of security guards are one step above restaurant dishwashers and a step below roofers in smarts, and almost all of those who aren't dumb as a rock use the job as a placeholder while they find something better. It's a shitty, boring, low pay job with crappy hours and worse working conditions, people who take those jobs are not someone who I would trust with the right, much less the responsibility, to kill.

          • The security guards would rather just fill out their report and collect a paycheck. May as well not even have a guard if they aren't, you know, guarding anything. This is precisely the same thing as having a guard in retail. They stand around with their dick in their hand and everyone know they can't do anything so why even have them there?

            Probably have the security guard for insurance purposely because it sure as heck isn't to deter crime.

            • by cusco ( 717999 )

              Of course they would, if you were being paid a buck or two over minimum wage and no benefits would you feel a responsibility to risk life and limb for an employer who obviously doesn't give a crap whether you live or die? (In fact Walmart takes out 'dead peasant' insurance on some of their security guards.)

            • You get what you pay for.

              If you are paying a security guard to stand around and watch ("observe and report" is the job description) that is what you will get. If you want a bouncer to keep order and rough up tough guys making trouble at the club, you can pay for that too. If you want someone to intervene and arrest criminals, hire an off-duty police officer as security.

              How much is it worth to you?

          • Nobody WANTS to but everybody should have the RIGHT to. Security guards that have the option to shoot (which is always intended to kill), are much more effective than security guards that are not allowed to shoot. See retail theft in California, where groups of kids will just loot any store they want without repercussions. Try that in most other states and you will not survive very long.

            • by cusco ( 717999 )

              So you really think that property ownership is more important than a life? Kind of confirms your previous posting history.

              groups of kids will just loot any store they want

              This is nothing new, it's an old, old Gypsy tactic, it used to happen in the small town where I grew up in the '60s. A large unruly group enters a store, causes trouble, and while staff is occupied handling it the rest clean them out. I'd be shocked if that tactic were less than a century old.

              • by guruevi ( 827432 )

                If you think MY property is more important than YOUR life, then you must value your life less than that of my property. So why should I value your life higher than you value your own?

                My property is what sustains my life and that of my family so yes, to me, my right to property is more important than your life to live if you steal what I need to sustain my life.

                With that kind of statement, why shouldn't I come and squat at your house? It's just property, why do you value my life less than your property? You

                • by cusco ( 717999 )

                  Then you value your freedom much less than your property as well, "I was defending my Beanie Baby collection" is generally not taken into account when sentencing people for manslaughter.

                  • by guruevi ( 827432 )

                    Depends on where that Beanie Baby collection was. If it's in my house, I have the right to defend my house, regardless of what you intend to steal. When you break in, the property owner has no duty to read or query your intent nor state their intent to defend.

        • And those security guards should be permitted to shoot to kill. The problem with California is that the criminals have more legal protection than any security guard.

          I worked for several years as armed security: guarding construction sites overnight, bouncing around in the back of an armored car, and finally as an armed courier. In California. I held concealed and open carry endorsements in addition to the basic "guard card". My training included how to shoot, and what to do after I shoot someone (first aid, and what to say to the police).

          The gun was meant as a deterrent. My employers really did not want the liability of my shooting someone, they just wanted to redu

      • The railyards are private property, and their security is the responsibility of the owners. Like any private property, the police are only to supposed to enter if a crime has already been committed.

        By default, yes. But anyone can give the police standing permission to patrol their property at their own discretion.

      • If I leave my car unlocked and you steal it, you are still the cunt that stole someone else's property. Stop victim blaming.

  • by Pinky's Brain ( 1158667 ) on Friday January 26, 2024 @11:06PM (#64191562)

    Make a steel shroud which can be lifted by the container cranes and put it over the containers after loading, then they will need to bring in plasma torches instead of cordless grinders.

    • Or, maybe, stop unloading in CA ports, since your containers aren't safe once unloaded from a ship...

      There are west coast container ports outside CA...

    • So add a large capital expense and dramatically increase loading times of trains?

    • by mjwx ( 966435 )

      Make a steel shroud which can be lifted by the container cranes and put it over the containers after loading, then they will need to bring in plasma torches instead of cordless grinders.

      Or maybe, just maybe, deal with the underlying causes of homelessness preventing the requirement for expensive, onerous security?

      Oh sorry, disregard that it sounds too sensible.

      • Or maybe, just maybe, deal with the underlying causes of homelessness preventing the requirement for expensive, onerous security?

        A beautiful idea. Unfortunately for you (and everyone else), bullets are a LOT cheaper than restructuring society.

        You may not know exactly WHO runs this society, but ya gotta admit, whomever they are, you know they will choose the bullets first. Especially since they actually like what they have built.

        Life in America, if you have money, is some of the finest life ever to be had throughout all of history.

  • Almost like (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Poverty and crime are connected.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by awwshit ( 6214476 )

      Almost like society needs public support for rehabilitation.

    • NOT

      The claim of the poverty causing crime will not survive a few moments engagement with crime trends over the past 200 years. The period of the Depression in the 1930s, for example, saw relatively little crime despite rampant poverty, whilst the decline in crime rates and the reverse over the past 30 years are totally inexplicable in terms of poverty.

      Remember that criminology departments at university only exist because it gives economists someone to laugh at.

      • by dryeo ( 100693 )

        Do you have any statistics for low crime in the depression? Especially before prohibition was repealed.

    • by Entrope ( 68843 )

      Only insofar as the habits and thought processes that lead people into poverty correlate with choosing to commit crimes. Getting free money (in this case from a national lottery) slightly increases one's odds of being convicted of a crime: https://www.nber.org/system/fi... [nber.org]

    • Yes, if you do crime, it is more likely you and your children will be poor. If you donâ(TM)t do crime, finish high school, donâ(TM)t have kids before marriage and donâ(TM)t do drugs you are unlikely to remain poor in your own lifetime and a high chance your children will have higher than average wealth.

  • ... a solution to that problem had been formulated years ago [militaryimages.net].

  • It's brilliant, I'm not sure if it's Marxism in action or a West End musical.
  • by bradley13 ( 1118935 ) on Saturday January 27, 2024 @03:47AM (#64191806) Homepage

    The NYT should not be glorifying this. It isn't a "heist" - it's just looting.

    Civilization is a delicate thing, and much easier to destroy than to create. Ultimately, property crimes are crimes against us all, and when they reach unacceptable limits they need to be stopped. Mass looting of freight trains (or stores) passes any acceptable limits.

    • Once that becomes a bedrock of left wing politics, it is surely inevitable that crime rates will rise as people take seriously what politicians say.

      • ... a bedrock of left wing politics ...

        You mean the right-wing, 'government causes poverty' propaganda is better? All those people blaming government spend a lot of time supporting it, even demanding government save them. Now that white Christian American is becoming a minority, they spend a lot of time demanding god or politicians bring back the 1950s.

    • I think only one facet. Basically ignoring convention and laws is now the defacto standard. Look at TX thumbing its nose at a republican dominated supreme court ruling that says TX needs to let the fed's handle the border. Seriously, even the red supreme court thinks federal trumps state in this area. And then on the left, we have my local DA who just doesn't prosecute petty crimes but does prosecute police aggressively. Or kids in school not obeying teachers. And yes I used the word obey, because that is w
  • "..California's governor publicly questioned the widespread railroad theft. Most arrested were not organized; many were homeless people nearby opportunistically taking fallen boxes off tracks. "

    Yes, those were the ones *arrested*. The ones opportunistically gleaning what's left over after the organized, practiced criminal gangs crack the containers in the first place.duh?

  • Most arrested were not organized; many were homeless people nearby opportunistically taking fallen boxes off tracks.

    Boxes don't just "fall" out of shipping containers...

    This is a non-sensical distinction - yes, one person breached the container, then maybe 100 people will swarm the container, some going into the container, some scavenging from the items left outside the container.

    They don't have to be organized to be a problem, and being disorganized doesn't absolve them of anything. Being homeless doesn't mean you're entitled to a flat screen TV or anything else you find inside a shipping container that happened to be p

  • California's governor publicly questioned the widespread railroad theft. Most arrested were not organized; many were homeless people nearby opportunistically taking fallen boxes off tracks.

    Does Gavin Newsom even know how containerized cargo works? There aren't any loose boxes to just fall off the back of the train, truck, whatever.

  • A few months ago I was stopped at a crossing while a freight train went by. Half of the containers looked like they had been pried open. I have no idea what kind of tool they used to do this, but it was impressive. Those big steel containers were all bent out of shape.
  • About billionaires squeezing the money out of everyone and then reaping the rewards of leaving their shit sit unattended in a railyard because the railroads are running trains too large for their infrastructure to save on labor. Corporate America is getting very predictable outcomes for driving poverty.

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