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Government The Almighty Buck

Microsoft, Uber, Dell CEOs Consider Government-Funded Stock Funds for Children (cnbc.com) 149

"Government-funded investment accounts for children could be on the horizon," writes CNBC, "and if tech investor Brad Gerstner has his way, corporate America will match the funds..." Gerstner been working with lawmakers to promote a legislative program known as Invest America that would create an investing account seeded with $1,000 for each child that's born in the U.S., but it's still too early in the process to publicly name supporters. He's aiming, however, to have legislation passed before the next presidential election. At the same time, he's working with corporate America to encourage businesses to offer matching funds to help employees further their savings.

"The vision is simple — that corporations would include an Invest America match of $1,000 into the Invest America account of children of their employees," Gerstner, founder and chief executive of Altimeter Capital, said in an email. "We have talked with companies ranging from Zillow to Dell to Uber and, subject to details, the response has been overwhelmingly positive," he said. Rich Barton, co-founder and chief executive of Zillow, said it's a "no-brainer" for his company to fully support and match the type of program Gerstner is proposing. "A 401(k)-style investment account from birth seems like a great way to tackle the growing divide around financial literacy and wealth," he said in an email. "It is a small investment to help parents achieve more peace of mind."

Representatives for Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella, Michael Dell and Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi, other companies Gerstner cited in a recent CNBC interview as being receptive to his pitch, did not respond to email requests for comment...

Certainly, there can be tangible — and intangible — benefits to companies that participated in a matching program. For instance, the government would have to provide tax incentives to companies that would presumably function similarly to how deductions are handled for 401(k) contributions, said Jeffrey Sharp, executive vice president at HUB International, a global insurance broker that provides employee benefits, and other products and services. Someone with $1,000 in her account at birth could expect a balance of about $107,000 by age 67, provided the portfolio grew at an annualized rate of 7%, according to CNBC Make It's compounding interest calculator. With a company match, a $2,000 investment could grow to around $215,000, under the same conditions. The outcome could be even more beneficial if parents contribute additional funds.

The article also hedges that companies "would have to consider the advisability of paying for this type of benefit that not all employees could take advantage of. They might decide, for instance, they'd be better off upping their 401(k) match so more employees could benefit."

But "I think we have a historic moment right now to get everybody into the game of capitalism," Gerstner says in an interview, noting it would cost just $3.7 billion to fund 50 million accounts -- "less than 1/100th of 1% of the national budget" -- and that he hopes to see the legislation introduced next year "in the spring."
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Microsoft, Uber, Dell CEOs Consider Government-Funded Stock Funds for Children

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  • JFC no. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Sunday November 26, 2023 @04:45PM (#64033147)
    This will just be the public pension grift all over again, where failing stocks are off loaded onto the program so the 1%ers don't get caught holding the bag on their mistakes & scams.

    We should not be turning to corporate America to solve our problems. They're really good at giving us the best twinkie or hot dog or Twinkie/hotdog combo. Solving broad societal issues not so much.
    • Oh, and just to be clear, I'm not against public pensions, I'm against public pensions playing the stock market. It's way, way too easy to corrupt, as is this.

      Go find a failed mega corporation and odds are you'll find a ton of their stock being bought up by a public pension fund right before they collapsed and usually sold to it by somebody wealthy and well connected. Mostly in red or purple states....
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      D'oh! You were soooo close! You had such a good start then turned back to your lame 1%er commie thing. I was about to congratulate you for getting it right for once.

      The reason not to do this is it's a giveaway to tech companies on the backs of tax payers. Since the government runs a deficit every year this is all printed up fake money boosting tech stock prices. That printed money, like all faked up money will just increase inflation which will devalue those stocks to nothing for the kids and leave the

      • Re:JFC no. (Score:5, Interesting)

        by DrMrLordX ( 559371 ) on Sunday November 26, 2023 @05:00PM (#64033209)

        Every time the Feds crank up the money printers, all that extra cash winds up distorting real estate and stock markets. Among other things. This way you're just cutting out the middleman.

        Funny that rsilvergun didn't notice the scheme being a way to effectively nationalize publicly-traded companies.

        • And every time the necessary thing is discussed - raising taxes on the rich cuz when you give rich people money like we did in COVID, they tend to spend it on assets - the rich folks use their media outlets to flood the zone with nonsense about unemployment (a necessary condition for capitalism) and inflation (price spiral, anyone?) as to distract from the fact that the folks that own the media outlets are the ones ruining the economy.

          Given how many economists predicted interest rates would rise between 2

          • Not ALL economists. There's a broad range that inhabit universities around the world with differing models & opinions. Some of them are even Marxist, gasp!

            Anyway, spouting neoliberal economic messages, AKA Chicago School, seems to be the way to get ahead nowadays so you can hardly blame the ones on the telly & other corporate media from cashing in. Of course, they have to pretend that Nobel Prize winners, Daniel Kahneman & Vernon Smith, provided conclusive evidence that so called "rational ec
          • I'd rather they cut spending than raised taxes (as an alternative to money printer go brrrr).

        • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Sunday November 26, 2023 @09:27PM (#64033663)
          Stop giving all the money to the 1%. Invest in America instead. The economy is growing and if we don't print money we'll have hyper deflation because the economy won't be able to grow without new money to represent the value of goods and services being produced. The inflation problem is caused entirely by monopolistic practices and is exasperated by letting 1% of the population have basically all the money. When you give more money to the 1% then they can ever dream of spending they go around buying up every company in existence along with every piece of property in existence. That's where your market distortions are coming from.

          The parents of the baby boomers knew this so they heavily invested in the country by a government programs and socialism. The mistake was because we were fighting people who claimed to be Communists at the time they didn't tell their children they were getting the benefits of socialism and instead hid all that on the back end. The result was the me generation and an entire generation who thinks they pulled themselves up by their bootstraps when in fact they benefited from social welfare programs that were necessary to have a functioning society.
          • Our money printing has vastly outstripped gains in productivity. Also they money that is "given" to the 1% frequently comes from people voluntarily buying things they often don't need. Apple is a excellent example of this phenomenon. That their total value exceeds $1 trillion ought to tell you what our society really values when the vast majority of their growth has come from discretionary private sector spending. When common factory workers are walking around with $1k+ iPhone, it should be evident who

            • I recognize the rhetoric. Gold Bugs stopped talking about it outside their spaces because the idea's so heavily looked down on. Or maybe it's crypto instead of Gold, but the point's the same: the basis of the economy has to be finite because you can't imagine the world as anything but a constant struggle for resources. It's the same kind of thinking that makes people wistful for the apocalypse because they think it'll be fun.

              Anyway to address you're point no, we're nowhere near the limits of our economy
        • Funny that rsilvergun didn't notice the scheme being a way to effectively nationalize publicly-traded companies.

          I think Blackrock has swooped in to be the biggest ownership entity: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/blackrocks-top-equity-holdings-2023/ [visualcapitalist.com]

          Private military companies and huge stock owning companies will likely be an interesting story going forward.

        • Every time the Feds crank up the money printers, all that extra cash winds up distorting real estate and stock markets.

          Actually printing money like that tends to cause inflation which, interestingly is where this plan seems to largely fall over. While a 7% annual return compounded for 67 years may give you $93k, that $93k will only be worth about $26k in today's money if you assume a 2% annual inflation rate which, while nice, is not really much of a game changer for retirement.

      • The reason not to do this is it's a giveaway to tech companies on the backs of tax payers.

        In this case that can easily be resolved by making sure corporate America pays their taxes. That money can then be used to fund the government side of the program.

        It's always amusing when these private industry folks talk about the government spending money to do something. They're so far out of touch they don't even realize where government money comes from.

        • Whether or not companies pay taxes the government has no business buying stocks for anyone.

          If you were saying that this scheme is ok as long as companies pay taxes then I vehemently disagree with you but I wasn't certain that was your plan.

          Anyway, thankfully, no one else is willing to embarrass themselves by supporting this bill in public so far. Hopefully it dies without a second backer.

    • by taustin ( 171655 )

      Sounds to me like it'll all get invested in crypocurrency, which someone will then "lose" the password to.

  • by glatiak ( 617813 ) on Sunday November 26, 2023 @04:46PM (#64033151)

    Perhaps I am too paranoid, having spent my working life watching certain political groups attack social security or change it into a managed wall street moneymaker (we at xxx investing, will take our experience and your money ... and make it your experience and our money...etc). Somehow this idea really sounds like an attempt to lay the groundwork for killing off social security. Oh, it will be a government program to be sure, but someone will have to manage the funds. Even if they do go down this road I will be long dead by the time it starts sucking the life out of the workers.

    • Social security is already dead. The old now take their payments off the backs of the young.

    • There's a couple problems with social security. First, it's heading for insolvency anyways unless fixed (again). Second, it's basically a giant pyramid scheme. While you'll get statements that make it look like you're making investments towards your own retirement, your payments are just going to cover current retirees.

      I remember reading recently that the biggest difference between whites and "disadvantaged minorities" these days actually tends to be more about assets. Your average middle class white pe

      • Easily fixed if you lift the tax cap. Right now, only the first $160k of income is taxed for SS purposes.

        • by uncqual ( 836337 )

          Keep in mind that since benefits scale with contributions, albeit non linearly - largely due to bend points in the benefit formulas, lifting the cap will also increase the benefits drawn from the fund. Successful people could be getting "checks" in retirement from SS in excess of $100K/month (in today's dollars) - I'm not sure how popular that would be. However to fail to scale benefits with contribution levels would just turn SS into a welfare program which would reduce the political popularity of the prog

  • by Njovich ( 553857 ) on Sunday November 26, 2023 @04:49PM (#64033165)

    This is a fantastic idea. Lets force these companies that lobbied for this to print 20% extra stock to give to the children of America. As they want to help children so much I'm sure they'd be delighted. Any other takers? No?

  • of public listed companies on the stock market suggest to the government to forcibly invest tax money into the public stock market.

    It is totally excluded that these people are biased somehow.

    • of public listed companies on the stock market suggest to the government to forcibly invest tax money into the public stock market.

      It is totally excluded that these people are biased somehow.

      The next time the taxpayers are forced to hand over their money to prop up a failing business, the taxpayers should be given stock in that company. After all, it's their money so they're part owners. It's only fair they should share in the reward of a saved company.

      • Or better yet just don't save them. Let them die and some other smaller company can buy up their IP, factories, software, etc for cheap and maybe do it better.

        • Or better yet just don't save them. Let them die and some other smaller company can buy up their IP, factories, software, etc for cheap and maybe do it better.

          That is my preferred method, let the free market work its magic, but I said when taxpayers are forced to hand over their money, meaning the preferred option will not happen (except in that one case).

          • I'm going to live in Happy Fantasy Land today where we don't live in a bad place where tax payers get fucked every time the dumbasses running some industry into the ground get our money to keep doing the same stupid shit that put them there in the first place.

    • by jythie ( 914043 )
      Yeah. To a degree, the stock market depends on constant money flowing in to support all the people profiting from it. This kinda seems like a cynial plan to make up for the lack of suckers pouring money in.
      • To a degree, the stock market depends on constant money flowing in to support all the people profiting from it.

        Only to a degree though. Really what drives the stock market are the profits that companies make. That's what stops it from being a very big Ponzi scheme.

  • How to ... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by PPH ( 736903 ) on Sunday November 26, 2023 @04:49PM (#64033169)

    ... dump $1000 of gov't money per person into the market to pump up equity prices without saying we are pumping up equity prices.

  • they seem to think we were all born yesterday but somehow i doubt they will be willing fund this for all of us

  • by sound+vision ( 884283 ) on Sunday November 26, 2023 @05:06PM (#64033231) Journal

    Seems like a way to privatize Social Security piecemeal while obscuring what you're doing, a la (euphemism alert) "Medicare Advantage" and "School choice".

    I imagine the plan is: let Social Security go insolvent, use the "crisis" to implement deep benefit cuts, then people will start pouring money into their government-issued 401k.

    Sounds like a hellish public-private chimera that will probably give us the worst of both worlds, like it has in our healthcare system. But hey, lots of people buying stocks! (And whichever stocks our government has "independently" chosen to include in their portfolio, of course.)

  • This is another attempt to get subsides for private companies. The government starts pumping money into the stock market creating both more government debt and more corporate profits. And of course some people will make some nice commissions managing these.

  • and be done.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

    Meaning turn regular people into corporations, and make current corporations into non-government organisations by default that offer currencies too (maybe backed by their own stocks).

  • Just what we'll need for all those orphans we need for setting up bowling pins now that the pin-setting machines are too expensive. Hope we can get a bargain We need a lot! What a great idea to keep trouble down. Those filthy urchins always scamping about. Anyway, had this weird dream last night with a ghost in it. Lame. Some self-help thing.
  • This sounds an awful lot like doublespeak for: "We don't want to actually fix the problems that will harm your children in the future, but we would like to use your money to bet on their potential successes and failures before they are even out of your house." Ten bucks says the final legislation will try to find someway to get the parents to pay for it. Or at the very least be the biggest (mandatory) contributor.
  • When a monkey throwing darts can beat many "money managers" the game isn't real. No you can't win by hard work and effective thinking. You can be lucky and then explain why you were using the reasons you chose your path with. Then fail using the same tools later.

    What is the cost of allowing this "game" to continue? This lottery that people claim isn't.

    We can't even measure if people are happy or not (at least not reliably). If you can't measure something then you can't systematically improve it. Or me

  • If a company is about to fail, they only need to pull out the think of the children card. You don't want these kids to lose half the value of their stock fund, do you? Do you hate children?
  • We had a chance to fix social security, and we blew it.

    Back in 2004, the President proposed putting 2% of a person's annual income (out of the 13% employee+employer social security withholdings) into a private account owned by that person. I was 29 at the time. If enacted and invested wisely* that 2% proposal would have covered 100% of my social security benefits from age 67 to 86. If I was the average person, I'd die before I ran out of that money.

    If I were 21 at the time instead of 29, it would cover 10

    • The downside was that the approach you are touting would have left even less funds for the bottom-of-the-pile SS takers -- the people who worked at a $8/hr wage job for 54 years. Using your years and the SS security calculator this person would retire at 72 with $1,363 "2023" dollars a month. That is not much to chip away at and the paltry allotment a year thrown into their personal fund was never going to make up for the resulting cut in benefits because people in this boat take out disproportionately m
      • I'll run the numbers for a scenario where someone makes the median income for 46 years tomorrow, but my intuition is that it's going to work out the same. SS Benefits scale proportionally to your maximum income of any 10-year period, so I'd expect it to stay proportional.

        The place where it does fall down is for people that don't work their entire adult lives. For them the picture would be less rosy, and I'd *hope* the 11% of everyone else's lifetime income (up to the cap) would be sufficient to cover it.

        F

  • Will be invested in shorting it ðY
  • Ya know, when I was young, grifters at least tried to hide their swindle somehow, they didn't outright state that and how they're gonna rip you off. At least you got a bit of a dog-and-pony show out of being swindled out of your money.

  • Pay employees living wages. Provide universal single-payer healthcare so a medical emergency doesn't bankrupt someone. Provide a minimum amount of legislated paid vacation.

    Don't faff around with half-baked ideas like this.

  • Math?? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by dskoll ( 99328 ) on Sunday November 26, 2023 @08:21PM (#64033567) Homepage

    noting it would cost just $3.7 billion to fund 50 million accounts ...

    In my world, 50 million x $1000 is $50 billion, not $3.7 billion.

    • noting it would cost just $3.7 billion to fund 50 million accounts ...

      In my world, 50 million x $1000 is $50 billion, not $3.7 billion.

      I noted that, but there are about 3.7 million births per year in the US. Not sure where the 50 million comes from other than as an arbitrary number.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      They mean $3.7 billion per year. There are about 3.7 million births per year in the US.

  • ...the assets are owned totally by the children with no possibility of the parents getting it

  • Alternate headline: We need more people to buy our stocks, can you please "do it for the children"

    Investing in future is the right thing to do. And in general, I would agree with parents buying stock for their kids as a long term present. However making the government do this, preferably picking winner stocks selected by the fat cats, would get the opposite reaction from me.

    They need to keep up the gravy train. Stock compensation is how companies keep talented workers at (relatively) lower salaries. However

  • ...someone's getting ready to announce the insolvency of social security, is what that sounds like. "Oh, we can shut that down now, every kids going to have a $200k fund in their name anyway..."
    (and anyway, with the actual, non-jiggered-numbers inflation rates that $200k will be worth at least $100k actually, in 70 years.....)

    Look, the idea that every kid gets $1k in some market pegged fund is a nice one. On the other hand one might see it as a locked-in-never-stopping annual $50bn subsidy to the financia

  • How about companies paying tax to make it possible for all children in the US to get a good possibility to get a bright future?
  • It is so easy to spend other people's money.

    Really, that's all this is. Hey, we big companies can't be bothered to pay all of our employees enough to support their families. Let's lobby the government to spend taxpayer money.

    The article argues that this is actually all about companies wanting to provide super-duper benefits to their employees. If that's true, there is absolutely nothing stopping them from funding children's accounts all by themselves. They won't, though. What they actually want, is the ab

  • how is that not communism ?
    (aka the state starts owning the means of production) ?

  • $200,000 seems like a lot but by the time it is eaten away by inflation it will not be worth much. Not much more than $20,000. If you want to have enough to retire 60 years in the future you need to be putting away a lot more than that every year.
  • As long as these companies try and succeed in dodging paying taxes i consider it fucking immoral to make funds for the children of their employees.

  • There are about 4 million babies born every day in the U.S., that comes to about $4 billion PER DAY in government handouts to some investment group in government tax dollars alone. I highly doubt this is about making lives of our children better when they turn 18, if their parents haven't figured out some way to squander that money by that time, it's about funneling more tax dollars into the coffers of the 1%.

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