Saudi Man Receives Death Penalty For Posts Online (apnews.com) 159
An anonymous reader quotes a report from the Associated Press: A Saudi court has sentenced a man to death over his posts on X, formerly known as Twitter, and his activity on YouTube, the latest in a widening crackdown on dissent in the kingdom that has drawn international criticism. The judgement against Mohammed bin Nasser al-Ghamdi, seen Wednesday by The Associated Press, comes against the backdrop of doctoral student Salma al-Shehab and others facing decades-long prison sentences over their comments online. The sentences appear part of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman's wider effort to stamp out any defiance in the kingdom as he pursues massive building projects and other diplomatic deals to raise his profile globally.
According to court documents, the charges levied against al-Ghamdi include "betraying his religion," "disturbing the security of society," "conspiring against the government" and "impugning the kingdom and the crown prince" -- all for his activity online that involved re-sharing critics' posts. Saudi officials offered no reason for why they specifically targeted al-Ghamdi, a retired school teacher living in the city of Mecca. However, his brother, Saeed bin Nasser al-Ghamdi, is a well-known critic of the Saudi government living in the United Kingdom. "This false ruling aims to spite me personally after failed attempts by the investigators to have me return to the country," the brother tweeted last Thursday. Saudi Arabia has used arrests of family members in the past as a means to pressure those abroad into returning home, activists and those targeted in the past say. [...]
Saudi Arabia is one of the world's top executioners, behind only China and Iran in 2022, according to Amnesty International. The number of people Saudi Arabia executed last year -- 196 inmates -- was the highest recorded by Amnesty in 30 years. In one day alone last March, the kingdom executed 81 people, the largest known mass execution carried out in the kingdom in its modern history. However, al-Ghamdi's case appears to be the first in the current crackdown to level the death penalty against someone for their online behavior.
According to court documents, the charges levied against al-Ghamdi include "betraying his religion," "disturbing the security of society," "conspiring against the government" and "impugning the kingdom and the crown prince" -- all for his activity online that involved re-sharing critics' posts. Saudi officials offered no reason for why they specifically targeted al-Ghamdi, a retired school teacher living in the city of Mecca. However, his brother, Saeed bin Nasser al-Ghamdi, is a well-known critic of the Saudi government living in the United Kingdom. "This false ruling aims to spite me personally after failed attempts by the investigators to have me return to the country," the brother tweeted last Thursday. Saudi Arabia has used arrests of family members in the past as a means to pressure those abroad into returning home, activists and those targeted in the past say. [...]
Saudi Arabia is one of the world's top executioners, behind only China and Iran in 2022, according to Amnesty International. The number of people Saudi Arabia executed last year -- 196 inmates -- was the highest recorded by Amnesty in 30 years. In one day alone last March, the kingdom executed 81 people, the largest known mass execution carried out in the kingdom in its modern history. However, al-Ghamdi's case appears to be the first in the current crackdown to level the death penalty against someone for their online behavior.
Strongmen seem to set up a weakness. (Score:5, Interesting)
After the wall came down for the USSR, the people newly exposed to free speech fell for every dumb con ever. The controlled Soviet media had never exposed them to information they were expected to be distrustful or critical of, and they never learned the skill. It seems any strongman is setting up a similar situation, if they never hear criticism of the state, the will believe it the first time they hear it, instead of taking it with a grain of salt like any other information.
Re:Strongmen seem to set up a weakness. (Score:5, Insightful)
Good point, apart from the bit where everyone in the USSR knew that state media was wall-to-wall propaganda and not to be trusted even a little bit.
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Nope, GP is exactly right. Pyramid schemes and psychic fraudsters have been everywere in the russian prime time TV in the early 1990s. People believed all that because "they wouldn't show it on TV if it was fake".
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Re: Strongmen seem to set up a weakness. (Score:2)
So you're one of the duped that doesn't know the fact that these wildfires are due to man; poor forest mangement is coupled with interference in the natural recurring wildfire cycles?
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The severity may be due to poor forest management. The increased frequency is due to worsening climate.
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Almost, they are both in part due to poor forest management and in part due to worsening climate. That's part of why these people can believe such dumb shit, it's complicated. At higher temperatures, it's easier for fires to start, and fires also spread more rapidly.
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Ok, that's true enough. You're right, the picture is multi-variable and complex, in a world where people get presented with/prefer simple answers.
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Assertion made without shred of proof.
Overdevelopment, even more artificial interference by man, and poor forest management totally explain wildfire incidence and size over last century.
It's manmade problem and nothing to do with emissions.
And "worsening climate"? NASA says the earth has been getting greener the past 20 years. Carbon dioxide, what plants crave.
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Yes, all scientists are morons, only YOU (and of course whatever media outlet confirms whatever you want to hear) have the sole TRUTH (tm) at your side!
Yes, mommy is proud of you. Now go play and let the grownups do the work you're too stupid for.
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Curious. More young people die in the US... but not anywhere else.
The cynic in me would say that there might be a political reason to not report Covid cases as what they are so people don't panic because it already is the third biggest killer in the US [cdc.gov], just imagine how bonkers people would be if it became the biggest.
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Where did I say anything about the excess deaths being isolated to the US? They're not. Do yourself a favor, use the search engine of your choice, and look into it. Or, for your convenience, I linked to an article in my above post. You can click that link, and then scroll down, about halfway through the page, to the big, bold words that say, "Excess deaths are a global phenomenon."
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That there were more deaths than what Covid alone accounts for is a given. A lot of patients didn't get the necessary care because ICU beds were occupied by people who didn't have to be there, so hospitals were overrun and patient care suffered. Same for non-critical operations that got delayed until they became critical with much worse prognosis.
What I fail to find is any indication that post-2022, i.e. after hospitals are no longer overburdened by people who didn't exactly have to require hospital care if
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You must be pretty insightful, because I would think this took most by surprise.
So, like back in 2020.
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There was also a temporal correlation with a massive global pandemic.
That of course was a pure coincidence and had nothing to do with the deaths or the vaccination.
Re: Strongmen seem to set up a weakness. (Score:2)
"You must be pretty insightful, because I would think this took most by surprise."
Maybe most people aren't very insightful?
(Gestures around)
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And, then you say: "There was also a temporal correlation with a massive global pandemic."
So, which is it?
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Ok, I'll try to clarify.
Covid itself did not kill all the people that died during the pandemic, yet their deaths were caused by Covid, albeit indirectly. If you need an ICU bed and there are none available because they are all occupied, what happens to you? If you have a non-life threatening disease and there are no hospital beds available, does your prognosis get better or worse by not being admitted to the hospital? If you have an operation scheduled that isn't critical yet and you have to be postponed be
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Basking in Donald Trump's love of the uneducated voter, I see
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The surest sign of freedom is the loudness of dissent.
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People who don't recognize the truth when they hear it are the same as people who believe lies.
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Once you succumb to derangement -- yours is of the TDS flavor -- you can arrive at whatever conclusion you want, as you clearly do.
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You folks don't have opinions, just fears and grudges.
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Let's try this on for size -- true or false: you don't want me to vote for Trump, correct? More than that: if you could stop me from voting for Trump, you would. Not only that: you think that me voting for Trump makes me an evil, depraved person. True?
Whereas, as far as I'm concerned, you can vote for Biden -- and Clinton before him -- all you want, it's none of my business. Just don't tell me what to do, and who I should and should not vote for.
You see the asymmetry there?
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You are simply projecting when you claim I would stop you from voting. That's literally your party's default move: Taking away other people's rights, because you can't win arguments EVER.
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It's not my party. Democrats are my enemies, but I'm not a Republican.
If you want me to vote how I choose -- which has not been my experience with the majority of Democrat voters -- then I have no issue with you, nor should you with me. Just don't call me Nazi, racist, bigot and other such bullshit intended to intimidate, and if you do you'll give me no choice but to call you a groomer. Apart from that, feel free to attack anything and everything and knock out all Republican sacred cows for what I care, and
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I direct you to my tagline to express my thoughts on it.
This is horrific. (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm sure the ability to kill your peaceful, honourable, and erudite opponents is a much-desired benefit for tyrants and dictators around the world: Fortunately in Western civilization it tends to be the norm that nations and empires that rule by fear and violence have shorter existences than more civilized ones.
But this also exposes a true hypocrisy with the West and this murderous regime: Oil is good, golf is good, profits are good, so there are groups who gloss over the horrific viciousness in the name of money.
One of the groups that does this in a spectacular manner is the province of Quebec in Canada: They happily import oil from Saudi Arabia in large quantities, but at the same time they have introduced laws to reduce the rights of Muslims to wear their traditional clothing and symbols, all in the name of "secularism". What makes the hypocrisy even more egregious is their absolute insistence against any kind of pipeline from Western Canada which has a large supply of natural gas and oil.
So Quebec blocks petroleum from Canada while fighting against Muslim symbols in public in the name of secularism, while pouring money into a despicable mid-east nation that commits atrocities in the name of religion.
Please note: I don't mean to divert attention from the horrific nature of the crime committed by the Saudi Arabian dictatorship: I only mean to bring attention to the massive hypocrisy by the West in the name of oil and profits.
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a person who immigrates to the United States from county X is always going to be an "X-American." That person can never be an "American."
A whatever-American is also an American. They are more than American, not less. That doesn't mean that the children of immigrants surrounding them won't treat them badly for being immigrants, of course. They are cowards and hypocrites who want to protect their privilege.
Re: This is horrific. (Score:2)
Yes, that's what I implied. Very good. Now read some other comments before you reply to them. Good boy!
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As for their reducing the rights of Muslims to wear religious symbols, it applies to all religions, not just Muslims, and as far as I understand it's only for public servants (incl. teachers, police, etc.), while at work. If you represent the state, you should not re
What about the PGA? (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm not trying to be snide. The Saudi's effectively bought pro-golf by manhandling the PGA into capitulation.
And this death (murder) sentence is obviously a care of state sponsored terrorism, that's exactly what it is word-for-word (regardless of "legal", does that have meaning?).
How does the PGA's association with the country tarnish it's reputation? Does it?
And yes, everyone invests there, they have fuckall money and realize their oil is finite.
Money always wins it seems.
What about the UK? (Score:3)
On a side note, British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak is scheduling Saudi Prince Mohammad Bone Saw (also known as MBS) to formally visit Britain on the fifth anniversary of MBS having ordered Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi's death in the Saudi embassy in Turkey. After sports-washing comes UK-washing.
https://apnews.com/article/sau... [apnews.com]
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Yes. Yes, that is exactly what it means. It means that you can say whatever you like and the state will not punish you for it.
Get your head out of your ass before you suffocate, please.
Or, thinking about that... leave it there, you're fine.
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It seems the thought police of the world are a catty bunch. No loyalty among themselves.
It's only when the various groups have an aligned goodthink policy will you see them gather with high fives all around.
Death Penalty for Saying Something? (Score:3, Funny)
Wow, its a good thing tha we here in the USA have the 1st Amendment, and all parties fully support freedom of speech in all things.
We're so lucky....
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I hope that the sarcasm tags were intended, my internal browser has difficulty picking up implied tags. (Trump and the other Republican establishment are absolutely against 1A and seek to weaken it, bypass it, or otherwise negate it. They'd eliminate it if they could.)
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Yeah, that was sarcasm alrighty.
But it's funny, after FBI suppression of Hunter Biden';s laptop's incriminating evidence against both Hunter and Joe, both before and after the election, Democrat's suppression of information wouldn't attract your attention. Or, the FBI, under JB, targets parents as terrorists for simply vocalizing their displeasure at local school board meetings. Then of course there's the FBI-directed social media silencing accounts of those that criticize the President or some other De
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I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that Trump is anti-1A.
https://www.brennancenter.org/... [brennancenter.org]
https://pen.org/trump-timeline... [pen.org]
If a Democrat says something, and Trump tweet's, "That's bullshit", that's NOT a 1A violation
https://www.theatlantic.com/id... [theatlantic.com]
https://www.factcheck.org/2023... [factcheck.org]
HTH, HAND
Re: Death Penalty for Saying Something? (Score:2)
"Trump saying to the lying mainstream media, "You are fake news and an enemy oi the people" is not an attack on free speech, it is Trump exercising his free speech."
Trump knowingly lying about the media, which is what he does every time he opens his face, is an attack on free speech. Fraud is not protected speech. Fox News is the most mainstream of mainstream media, so from that standpoint you are correct about the corruption, so congratulations?
Re: Death Penalty for Saying Something? (Score:2)
"Trump, or anyone else, can say anything they want to about the lying mainstream media, and it doesn't have to be true, it is still protected by the 1st Amendment."
That is not the dumbest possible take, but it's close.
If he knows his statements are false, and they're made for his benefit, then they are fraud. Fraud against the federal government is the very opposite of protected - it is a felony.
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Republicans agree, no protection for fraudulent speech.
https://twitter.com/ArmandoNDK... [twitter.com]
Trump is trying to enrich himself, there is NO NEED to show monetary DAMAGES to show fraud, PERIOD. You do NOT understand how this works. SHOCK, AMAZEMENT.
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Trump and the other Republican establishment are absolutely against 1A and seek to weaken it, bypass it, or otherwise negate it. They'd eliminate it if they could.
Both parties have a narrative, and seek to eliminate the freedom to speak against it. Don't blindly adhere to party politics, as neither major party has your best interest at heart when it conflicts with their own. They both want to enslave us all, but just for different reasons.
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Anyone got killed for calling Trump, Biden or whoever else you think is the new messiah a dipshit?
I mean, by the state, not his devotees.
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Anyone got killed for calling Trump, Biden or whoever else you think is the new messiah a dipshit?
No... Not yet.
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"I mean, by the state, not his devotees."
Oh, I think devotees count if said devotees are blessed by the politicians in power and therefore are not chased nor arrested by the police
So like when the NYPD protected the proud boys after they attacked protests, hustled them onto trains without making them pay a fare and escorted them out of town so that the people they attacked wouldn't have an opportunity to counter-attack?
Re: Death Penalty for Saying Something? (Score:2)
"violence is mostly the trademark of the left"
Wait, what was the definition of fascism again?
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Come again when someone actually at least attempted to cause you any harm and it's not your persecution complex talking.
Lese majeste (Score:2)
This is a very old human tradition: Monarchies. Its not even related to Islam. You just can't say anything against royalty, period. You are inferior to royalty, you are a subject. You don't talk back to royalty, they are the sovereign ruler and you are their possession to do with you whatever they see fit. Be thankful if you can have some life. It is even worse in some countries that proclaim to not be a monarchy but are like one in reality. At least there you knew in advance that whatever freedoms you may
Seeing the Saudi state fall apart in coming years (Score:2)
Everywhere it ever intersected with us (Americans) has made our history uglier and more poisonous. I can't wait for oil to finally die a deserved death, and for those who built kingdoms of horror on control of it to flee in fear from their subjects.
Of course what follows would probably be worse, but at least we won't be an ingredient in the witch's brew.
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Maybe then the country will finally get a name.
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Death Penalty (Score:2)
Britain (when the death penalty existed) and America have both had celebrity death penalty cases where it was being used to try and exert pressure on those they suspected of crimes via those they knew to be innocent of the death penalty charges they stood accused of. So this would seem to be a characteristic of death penalty countries, not just specific tyrannical regimes.
Take the naive solution (Score:2)
The UN is great, giving all countries a forum to communicate with each other. But there it should stop.
Trade? Business? Treaties? What would happen if civilized countries simply refused any and all interaction with barbarians? Want to join civilization? First, be civilized. Which Saudia Arabia is not.
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Want to join civilization? First, be civilized. Which Saudia Arabia is not.
Name the permanent member of the UNSC which isn't responsible for gross atrocities.
Yikes! (Score:2)
Money (oil) talks (Score:2)
So these barbaric primitives are valued trading partners, while China gets vilified. Notice something badly off here?
Murder is less of a big deal there (Score:4, Interesting)
In countries that have so called sharia law, such as Iran and Saudi Arabia if you pay off family members of murder victims you can get off. For example, —and you can look this up .. some sicko in Iran beheaded his wife and walked around on the street with her head. They only gave the guy who killed his wife only 8 years in prison. And btw this happened the same time they put a woman who didn’t wear a headscarf properly in jail for 10 years. And btw the murderer would have got off fully scot free if he wasn’t charged with being a nuisance for walking around with her head. That was because Iran, being a “sharia” country, if you pay the immediate “family” of the victim compensation, and they accept it, you can get off. This basically allows many wealthy families to get off on murder charges, sometimes for as little as $1000, especially when their victims are from a poor family. Sometimes they exert various threats to make the family accept the payment. This also allows family to conspire against their own family.
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And yes stuff like that does happen in Saudi Arabia. Here is a reference: https://www.theguardian.com/co... [theguardian.com]
Uh oh. (Score:2)
And still business goes on (Score:2)
Re:Raise his what now? (Score:5, Informative)
Elon is business with the Saudis
https://www.theguardian.com/te... [theguardian.com]
https://www.forbes.com/sites/m... [forbes.com]
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The world switching from ICE to electric cars is a huge deal. Some Saudi prince buying $1.9 billion of Twitter shares will be a tiny footnote in history.
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Elon is business with the Saudis
https://www.theguardian.com/te... [theguardian.com]
https://www.forbes.com/sites/m... [forbes.com]
The Trump Crime Family has been known to be in business with the Saudis for a long, long time already. Here's just a little open-source evidence of the fact:
The most recent and inaugural LIV Golf tournament [golfmonthly.com] was held at two Trump golf resorts, including the Final [si.com]. This year three of Trump's properties will profit from the Saudis [nationalclubgolfer.com].
Also former Trump White House advisor, (an son in-law) Jared Kushner, married to Donald Trump's daughter Ivanka who is also a former White house paid advisor, has been trusted with m [vanityfair.com]
Re: Raise his what now? (Score:2)
100% on board with all you said, just here to remind all that Joe didn't take that murder seriously either. It's shitheels all the way down.
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One can not blame businesses for the actions of the governments in those regions
I'm not up on how and to what extent money influences politics in Saudi Arabia, or vice versa, so I can't speak to that intelligently. Therefore, I won't. But I do know that in the parts of the world I do know about, the actions of governments are nearly always aligned with the [obvious profit] motives of businesses.
Re:Raise his what now? (Score:5, Informative)
The British Empire made a point of creating a ruling family (or ruling class) every place it conquered because it is much easier to have the locals suppress the opposition.
The house of Saud couldn't control the countryside without doing a deal with the weirdo Wahabbis, and part of that deal is funding their export of the weird violent death-cult they pretend is Islam.
The United States makes so much money from the Saudis that they're happy to overlook that, and in my view we absolutely should blame them for it, but it won't make any difference what I think because both of your political parties like making money and don't much care where it comes from.
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It's also a strange coincidence that 15 out of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi nationals.
Re:Raise his what now? (Score:5, Insightful)
It's also a strange coincidence that 15 out of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi nationals.
Yes, but they were enemies of the Saudi regime. Removing American troops from Saudi Arabia was one of their primary demands. And they achieved it. Within six months of 9/11, all American ground troops had left.
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[Citation needed]
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[Citation needed]
Here ya go: Al-Qaeda [wikipedia.org]
From the link: "The stationing of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia prompted bin Laden to declare a jihad against the House of Saud, whom he condemned as takfir (apostates from Islam)"
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The United States makes so much money from the Saudis that they're happy to overlook that, and in my view we absolutely should blame them for it, but it won't make any difference what I think because both of your political parties like making money and don't much care where it comes from.
You're absolutely correct.
Privilege, power and greed are insidious and destructive qualities of human nature. We must call it out in all of its manifestations in every human culture. Its damage is more profoundly experienced when unleashed on humanity by the biggest influences in global economics, throughout history. That goes for everyone, every system, religion, politic, or philosophy. The U.S. is certainly no better. Humanity has a long way to go beyond modern civilization. We need to learn t
Re:Raise his what now? (Score:5, Informative)
So... that's just a complete load of crap. The national geography of the Middle East is a result of European imperialism. In that sense the British are partially responsible for the *national boundaries*. However Saudi influence predates the English by decades and decades. In fact, the Saudi tribes' ascendance predates English interference by well over 100 years. The Saudi's allied themselves with the Wahhabis to gain political supremacy over competing tribes. That started in the 1700s, while British intervention of the nature you're talking about happened in the 1900s.
The crazy thing is, you actually acknowledge the Wahhabi influence, but don't seem to understand the timeline. The pact between the Saudis and the Wahhabis took place in 1744.
Quit making up crap.
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> Quit making up crap.
Thanks for pointing out the narrative's errors.
Would you say European influences have tended to support more authoritarian or undemocratic governments in the middle east ?
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Ibn Saud had the great foresight to not cheese off Britain, and grant them the oil concession.
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Musk, and Tesla, are under investigation [businessinsider.com] for potentially using company monies to build a house for Musk, without telling anyone. Even the Tesla board [forbes.com] has opened an inquiry into these shenanigans.
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Take that story on the surface for just a second, using nothing more than basic math.
Assume that magical "glass" house he was going to build cost a crazy $25 million. Now triple that number, just for arguments and shits sake.
The fuck makes sense about the necessity of a "secret" project being started at a company worth $800 billion, in order to build a $75 million dollar house for the CEO worth $100 billion?
Re:Raise his what now? (Score:5, Insightful)
Second, Musk spent virtually all the cash he had [reuters.com] on buying Twitter.
Third, being rich does not mean that he isn't also greedy. A lot of people seem to make this mistake.
Obviously, you should never assume that someone is guilty just because they're under investigation. But you do not have sufficient reason here to dismiss the investigators.
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You've seen Musk's activities? What he does, both as a businessman and as a private person?
And you really still ask for sense and logic in any of them?
That guy is a kid with ADHD who mistook daddy's coke stash for a bag of sugar.
Re:Raise his what now? (Score:4, Interesting)
I worked on the design of HVAC for a glass house, actually. The 12,000 sq ft house went $1,000,000 over budget on glass. It included a 12 foot high continuous window in the great room overlooking a reflecting pool, facing west, IIRC. This was in the Dallas/Fort Worth area, so there was a lot of air conditioning required (It used ground source coupled heat pumps) It also included a glass elevator, glass stairs, glass floors in the corridor overlooking the 2-story high great room, and even a glass floor under the lavatory in the master bathroom which gave a view of the water feature in the front yard (plumbing was difficult to layout for that lav) They also had a climate-controlled display room for a doll collection in the basement as well as a secured-like-a-bank-vault armory for a gun collection that included valuable antiques.
So, you shouldn't try to second guess what someone with a lot of money may or may not want in a house.
Re: Raise his what now? (Score:4, Interesting)
"A house is a place you go to undress, unwind, and relax in privacy. A glass house would be totally stupid."
You could use electrochromic glass...
Re: Raise his what now? (Score:2)
are you living in some past decade? we only get 7 percent of our petroleum from Saudi Arabia. They aren't crucial to anything we do. Of course EV and wind turbines are made with 80 percent fossil fuel energy ...
Re: Raise his what now? (Score:2)
Not sure what you mean by âoeweâ, but assuming the US genpop, that figure (if accurate) represents only *consumption*. Parentâ(TM)s point is about refining and finance, of which a Large Portion is handled and profited by US an Euro companies.
Don't Forget Gregory Alan Elliott (Score:5, Interesting)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Re:Don't Forget Gregory Alan Elliott (Score:5, Informative)
That's interesting...So basically, in Canada, if somebody is engaged in what even the judge determined to be legitimate debate, all you have to do is accuse them of harassment to get them banned from the internet for three years, fired from their job, and unemployable. Doesn't even have to be any kind of actual harassment, and the accusers don't have to worry about any kind of penalty whatsoever, neither civil nor criminal, they can just go on with their lives and even be praised for it.
Oh and the talk section of that wikipedia page is hilarious. Apparently a wikipedia ADMIN who has admitted to having personal contact with the complainants in that case has been removing material about false accusations made against the defendant, including falsely accusing him of pedophelia (which as of now isn't mentioned on the main page,) stating bias in the source materials, including rejecting the use of THE ACTUAL COURT DOCUMENTS because no "primary sources" or something, (they should really drop the whole "encyclopedic" shtick, if wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia, then it's a really bad one) as well as rejecting articles from reason, techdirt, and others because...bias. But the "truth" has a "liberal bias" as they often assert, so naturally the "truth" should be modified to reflect that bias, that way wikipedia works as the admins intend it to. I mean the accusers are gold medal oppression olympians after all, so they can't possibly be bad people who make false accusations, every progressive knows this.
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I don’t live in Canada, dipshit.
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It's kinda biblical justice. Remember when the Egyptians and their Jewish cronies refused to paint their door frames with blood to make death pass by and not kill their firstborn, even though they did indeed get the warning and could have done it?
Exodus 12:12 for those that never read their Bible despite thumping it excessively.
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It's less a dependence, it's more that the Saudis are the traditional enemies of Iran. And they hate them even more.
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Funny enough that the main reason this never happened is a large, black rock somewhere in the country. Because that would probably piss off quite a few people.
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When he called the prince an asshole, he wasn't condemned for insulting the crown prince, he got it for publicly announcing a closely guarded state secret.
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What gets you killed in Saudi Arabia? Well, pretty much anything any of the bigwigs don't like.
Duh, we're talking about an absolutist dictatorship with zero recourse. Someone of the Saud riffraff doesn't like your guts and you're gutted.
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Really? I thought he was released on $200,000 bail.
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As if jailing their messiah could thwart the true devotees.
I personally find it highly amusing that Trump shows every quality of the antichrist, yet the religious nutjobs are falling head over heels for him.