FBI Hired Social Media Surveillance Firm That Labeled Black Lives Matter Organizers 'Threat Actors' (theintercept.com) 151
The FBI's primary tool for monitoring social media threats is the same contractor that labeled peaceful Black Lives Matter protest leaders DeRay McKesson and Johnetta Elzie as "threat actors" requiring "continuous monitoring" in 2015. From a report: The contractor, ZeroFox, identified McKesson and Elzie as posing a "high severity" physical threat, despite including no evidence that McKesson or Elzie were suspected of criminal activity. "It's been almost a decade since the referenced 2015 incident and in that time we have invested heavily in fine-tuning our collections, analysis and labeling of alerts," Lexie Gunther, a spokesperson for ZeroFox, told The Intercept, "including the addition of a fully managed service that ensures human analysis of every alert that comes through the ZeroFox Platform to ensure we are only alerting customers to legitimate threats and are labeling those threats appropriately."
The FBI, which declined to comment, hired ZeroFox in 2021, a fact referenced in the new 106-page Senate report about the intelligence community's failure to anticipate the January 6, 2021, uprising at the U.S. Capitol. The June 27 report, produced by Democrats on the Senate Homeland Security Committee, shows the bureau's broad authorities to surveil social media content -- authorities the FBI previously denied it had, including before Congress. It also reveals the FBI's reliance on outside companies to do much of the filtering for them. The FBI's $14 million contract to ZeroFox for "FBI social media alerting" replaced a similar contract with Dataminr, another firm with a history of scrutinizing racial justice movements. Dataminr, like ZeroFox, subjected the Black Lives Matter movement to web surveillance on behalf of the Minneapolis Police Department, previous reporting by The Intercept has shown.
The FBI, which declined to comment, hired ZeroFox in 2021, a fact referenced in the new 106-page Senate report about the intelligence community's failure to anticipate the January 6, 2021, uprising at the U.S. Capitol. The June 27 report, produced by Democrats on the Senate Homeland Security Committee, shows the bureau's broad authorities to surveil social media content -- authorities the FBI previously denied it had, including before Congress. It also reveals the FBI's reliance on outside companies to do much of the filtering for them. The FBI's $14 million contract to ZeroFox for "FBI social media alerting" replaced a similar contract with Dataminr, another firm with a history of scrutinizing racial justice movements. Dataminr, like ZeroFox, subjected the Black Lives Matter movement to web surveillance on behalf of the Minneapolis Police Department, previous reporting by The Intercept has shown.
And they were right to (Score:3, Informative)
They incited riots, and should be responsible for every death related to protests, and their fancy mansions taken away.
They were 90000% threat actors that caused serious harm.
Re:And they were right to (Score:5, Informative)
What if Harvard University says otherwise? https://carrcenter.hks.harvard... [harvard.edu]
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Harvard University could just as accurately publish a study headlined "Donald Trump January 6th rally-goers were overwhelmingly peaceful, our research finds".
But they won't. And you'll make some excuse for why that's totally different.
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Republicans already say that. But let's see how Georgia republican representative Andrew Clyde reacted. He's on the left in this photo. https://news.yahoo.com/twitter... [yahoo.com]
You'll notice his mouth open almost like he's screaming as he hides behind an armed guard. I was told these were just some friendly tourists that stopped by. Why was Mr. Clyde so scared?
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Repeating the same lie six times doesn't make it true, especially when you're quoting people who were caught red-handed knowingly and maliciously lying over and over again. How many times did those outlets all claim that a police officer, whose own family had confirmed he was alive and completely unharmed, had been beaten to death with a fire extinguisher? Have any of them made any attempt at all at a meaningful retraction, let alone truth and reconciliation?.
Live first hand video evidence proves you're lyi [youtube.com]
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Black Lives Matter protesters were overwhelmingly peaceful
Ok, then why the black lives matter movement? Because Police interactions are overwhelmingly peaceful (especially when you consider they are constantly dealing with, you know, criminals and criminal acts).
Re:And they were right to (Score:5, Insightful)
Police should be held to a higher standard as they aren't accountable to anyone. People that rioted at or after BLM protests were often prosecuted.
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Chill out, I was just saying we should be holding the police accountable.
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Black Lives Matter protesters were overwhelmingly peaceful
Ok, then why the black lives matter movement? Because Police interactions are overwhelmingly peaceful (especially when you consider they are constantly dealing with, you know, criminals and criminal acts).
Devil's advocate, purely for the thought-exercise...
Police - outside of the correctional facility side of things - almost never deal with criminals or criminal acts.
It's my understanding that in the US, people are assumed innocent until - and unless - proven guilty in a court of law. Police are interacting with non-criminals (or at least ex-criminals who are now free after having served their sentence) almost all the time. An officer may have suspicions, may have evidence, and may have personal observ
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Police - outside of the correctional facility side of things - almost never deal with criminals or criminal acts.....Police are interacting with non-criminals
Police interact with criminals all the time. The police just don't know WHICH people are criminals, but people they arrest are frequently convicted of crimes. Why do you think so many of them try to run away from police? Because they know they are about to be arrested and charged/convicted of a crime they just committed.
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Police - outside of the correctional facility side of things - almost never deal with criminals or criminal acts.....Police are interacting with non-criminals
Police interact with criminals all the time. The police just don't know WHICH people are criminals, but people they arrest are frequently convicted of crimes. Why do you think so many of them try to run away from police? Because they know they are about to be arrested and charged/convicted of a crime they just committed.
As I said, it was just a philosophical thought.
That said, why do "so many" try to run away from police? How many is "so" many? Ten percent? Five percent? One percent? Fifty people a year? What's the actual statistic behind "so many"? Also, if you - for a moment - accept the idea that police are known to act in biased ways, in many cases running away makes plenty of sense, even if innocent. Also also, police - and armed people in general - are damned scary. I'm an innocent random white guy and th
Because y'all keep shooting black people (Score:2, Troll)
The reason we have to say Black Lives Matters is you keep letting it slip your mind.
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It was about far more than just the fatal police interactions, although those were justification enough.
Even when black people aren't murdered by the cops, there is plenty of statistical evidence that they are treated worse. Things a white person would be left off with a verbal warning for, land black people behind bars.
Stats show that white people in some areas are just as likely to be using or carrying drugs, but the cops more often interact with black people.
The killings really were just the tip of the i
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Harvard university can say that BLM riots, which caused over two billion dollars in damage and the deaths of over fifty people who tried to protect their families and communities, were peaceful all they want. That doesn't make it true. It's easy to fake this sort of thing when you do things like count a month long violent terrorist insurrection and secession [archive.is] as dozens of separate "peaceful" protests, or simply label each and every single act of violence as a right wing false flag.
The fact is these "overwhel
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Except that you're talking about potentially two different police departments, and two different jurisdictions. If you were to smash some store windows in DC while the insurrection was happening, the DC Metro police would lock your ass up in city jail while the US Capitol Police dealt with the insurrectionists.
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A remote desktop link? Seriously? You're so pissed off at someone citing basic objective facts [archive.is] that you'd try such a pathetic attempt at hacking their computer?
Then Harvard must be wrong (Score:2)
Who are you gonna believe? A peer reviewed study from a major university or 30 years of questionable TV shows about "inner city youths"?
Re:And they were right to (Score:5, Insightful)
What if Harvard University says otherwise? https://carrcenter.hks.harvard... [harvard.edu]
["Black Lives Matter protesters were overwhelmingly peaceful"]
This is such a ludicrous point, and really only gets made by those who don't understand the full scope of 2020. These "protestors" were active from the end of May until election day. That's five solid months of events. In my specific neighborhood (I live in a downtown tourism/entertainment district a few blocks from our Federal building, fire station, and central police HQ) we had "protests" happen an average of about every other day.
That's every other day police helicopters are there, the streets are tense and unsafe, and if tiny little towns in the middle of nowhere can erupt into flames because some event happened somewhere in the country earlier that day then it could certainly happen on my block.
The fact that 93% of protests were non-violent means nothing when the events are happening in dozens of cities, every other day, for five months. How would you like it if there was "only a 1-in-12 chance" that you'd get punched in the face if you walked out your front door that day over the course of five months. THAT is what that stat is saying.
Re: And they were right to (Score:2, Informative)
Absolute nonsense. I literally lived 25 feet above the street. In San Diego the people harassing others, looting businesses, blocking traffic, assaulting police/fire/EMS/NG, and committing the occasional arson were blindingly obviously not secret MAGA agents.
Aside from that, again, if you think that then you weren't paying attention. Go browse one of the many livestream video archives if you're confused, such as https://fukkot.com/riots/all/ [fukkot.com]
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What if Harvard University says otherwise?
What if we let the billions in damages speak for itself?
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They incited riots, and should be responsible for every death related to protests, and their fancy mansions taken away.
They were 90000% threat actors that caused serious harm.
So you're saying the January 6th insurrectionists should get at least the same treatment for attacking police [cnn.com], destroying [cnn.com] property [cnn.com], and wanting to kill [cnn.com] elected officials [pbs.org]. Good to know.
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Absolutely. 100%. And I'm pretty sure quite a few of them are already in prison, such as this jackass: https://www.nbcnews.com/politi... [nbcnews.com]
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Hey look, another person who has never stepped foot in Portland, Oregon in their lives, and all they know is the total horseshit they saw on their right-wing drivel fake "news" channel.
Guess what? The Mark O. Hatfield Federal Courthouse still stands tall downtown, without so much as a soot mark on it. And the "tent cities" are a result of a completely disconnected federal court case in the 9th federal circuit. If anything, the lasting damage from the summer of 2020 was on the reputation of the Portland P
Re:And they were right to (Score:4, Informative)
Hey look, another person who has never stepped foot in Portland, Oregon in their lives, and all they know is the total horseshit they saw on their right-wing drivel fake "news" channel.
Washington Country resident here.
Guess what? The Mark O. Hatfield Federal Courthouse still stands tall downtown, without so much as a soot mark on it.
Memories, backed up by reviewing news reports including some from those arch right rags The Oregonian and Willamette Week, recall the courthouse facade being on fire, barricades around the courthouse burning, flammable objects be stacked against the courthouse and being lit, flammable objects being thrown or shot at the courthouse and demonstrators catching arson charges for some of these actions. It wasn't for lack of trying.
"Tear Gas Teddy" and a shit ton of cops defending the courthouse every night for a considerable amount of time might also have helped.
and the current mayor, who is now referred to as "Tear Gas Teddy"
Really? Demonstrators and rioters in 2020 and 2021 called him that sometimes. His Wiki article sources that name to an article by a NY Times reporter referring to what protesters were chanting at the peak of the violence. Care to also dismiss that as being words written by a nonlocal?
The only Google hits for that phrase in the past year are from:
1. A since deleted June 2023 Reddit comment accusing Wheeler in a totally hilarious joke of murdering women.
2. A July 2022 Portland State University student paper article ranting about the evils of, well, everything white, colonial and capitalistic.
3. A September 2022 comment on a Willamette Week article.
4. This very July 2023 Slashdot comment.
Any of those first three you? Whether or not, it is a bit of a stretch to say Wheeler is now referred to by that appellation.
and already has city council members lining up to run against him in 2024.
For those who are not local, allow to shed some light. Portland is going to be radically reworking its form of government in the 2024 elections. The mayor currently is head of a five member council and wields the power of assigning members to be the operational heads of various portions of city government. The major can retain whatever power he personally desires. In 2024 Portlandites will elect a 12 person council who will only set policy and leave actual administration to a newly hired professional city manager. The mayor will just be the gavel banger for the council.
Only one city council member has announced their intention to run in 2024 against Wheeler. Hell, Wheeler hasn't even announced if he will run for the role.
Even during that summer, you could drive right past the courthouse in the middle of the day and there were people basically having a barbecue in the park block across the street.
Nice qualification with 'middle of the day'. By day it was relatively quiet (other than cleanup). Try going by the courthouse at night back then. That was when the violence flared.
But hey, take the word of some asshat wingnut on your propaganda channel of choice over people that actually live here.
Or get a different perspective from someone else who is local.
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The government changes must be voted on, by the Portlandites, form Portlandael? So a radical reworking isn't a given. Maybe you just don't like the form. Fair enough. [wikipedia.org] Very little of Portland is in Washington County so you either live in the hills west of Portland? That's quite tony. Or rather do you live past 65th, outside
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*chuckle* I think you are reading a wee bit too much into Portlandite. Not quite as in common usage as Portlander, but Google-U (once you filter out references to the mineral) does have tens of thousands of relevant looking hits. Besides, for any place that doesn't end in a vowel, adding an -ite just sounds cool.
You don't think the government reworking is a radical change? More than doubling the council size, removing their executive roles, adding districts, hiring a professional city manager and switc
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Re:And they were right to (Score:4, Insightful)
I was thinking the best reason for law enforcement to keep an eye on BLM is that their protests often attract right-wing militiamen who are the real danger.
Black Lives Matter Organizers 'Threat Actors' ? (Score:5, Informative)
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That requires a level of credulity that existed maybe 30 years ago, but not today. Whatever happened to the Proud Boys is going to happen to BLM, maybe not under this administration, but eventually. The tit for tat lawfare is continuing.
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Bailing with Looted Money?
Keep in mind that some political groups don't have any formal organization, they are just informal clubs where members can come and go without a paper trail. Riff-raff can often take advantage of the loose nature to scam people. That doesn't necessarily mean that most members are crooked.
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That accurately describes the leadership of nearly every political movement in the last 50 years. Probably longer, but certainly as far back as I can remember.
The only exceptions are the ones who were crazy in dangerous ways, like McCarthy.
Time to see how woke this place truly is (Score:1)
Yes or no; do you feel BLM and it's leaders are "threat actors"?
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To be brutally honest, I can't be assed to care.
Maybe it's not just right wingers... (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm starting to believe the government hates everybody.
Even if I don't agree with BLM, why are my tax dollars going toward these investigations? Does the FBI really not know how to tell the difference between someone who's going to show up in your neighborhood carrying signs and the sort of folks that will blow up buildings?
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Maybe you should read some of the other posts related to this story.
Alternatives Alternatives Alternatives (Score:2)
How to do you monitor suspicious people and groups without some kind of categorization system that could make them look negative if the records get out to the public (via Congressional investigations)?
I don't like the idea of the gov't "snooping around", but you have to either present a better alternative, or agree to live with the fallout of letem-be, such as terrorist acts that kill many.
No cop will be 100% perfect because human nature makes humans too human, but the alternative is zero cops, which expos
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"Does the FBI really not know how to tell the difference between someone who's going to show up in your neighborhood carrying signs and the sort of folks that will blow up buildings?"
When the news reports that "protests" were, except for the violence, vandalism and riots were "otherwise peaceful", it makes me think that nobody can tell that difference -- FBI, NYT, ABC, CNN, FOX... pick your three letters -- they all seem to miss important crap.
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When the news reports that "protests" were, except for the violence, vandalism and riots were "otherwise peaceful", it makes me think that nobody can tell that difference
It's just like Republicans saying the January 6th terrorists were "peaceful tourists" as they attacked police, broke property, and called for the deaths of elected officials.
I mean, who here HASN'T gone on a tour in combat fatigures, wearing goggles and a helmet while carrying zip ties and then tasing police [go.com]? It's such a common occurrence
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Excellent use of "what about" isms. (That was sarcasm, by the way).
So, lets take a closer look! Nationwide riots, theft, violence and destruction over numerous cities with virtually zero accountability and try to equivocate that to a single day at a single location clear examples of accountability. No, no apples vs. oranges here, my friend!
(BTW, I'm not a Republican. Nor am a a tribal partisan -- it's folks like that using selective rhetoric similar to what you are using that are damaging this country
Re:Maybe it's not just right wingers... (Score:5, Insightful)
"Right wing racists focus on those."
Great deflection -- and repeating the "otherwise peaceful" part of the violence, vandalism and riots "protests". Good for you.
You should have seen the Armenian protests against the genocide in LA not long after these. Not only didn't they bust windows, steal stuff and burn things, they cleaned up after themselves. "Protestors" that destroyed billions of dollars of property vs. protestors that actually clean up after protesting the folks they claim committed genocide against. How can you not see the difference? How can you even attempt to justify the destruction?
Oh yeah... thats easy for you. Minimize it and blame "right wingers" for even bringing it up. Good plan.
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"How can you even attempt to justify the destruction?", you lying dog, I did no such thing.
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"you lying dog, I did no such thing."
Except you did. Through trying to deflect all the damage and harm done by the riots across several cities.
Implying it was "mostly harmless" like some smug Douglas Adams wanna be doesn't make it so.
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Brainless personal attack, I didn't imply that in any way.
Re:Maybe it's not just right wingers... (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't think there were many Azerbaijanis for them to attack in Los Angeles. Your cherry-picking one peaceful protest in one city on a different continent than the conflict is at least as much cherry-picking as the other guy.
If you take a look at what was going on in and around Nagorno-Karabakh at the same time, there was plenty of violence, everything up to and including full-scale war with tanks and artillery batteries.
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I don't know what city you are citing as you didn't provide it. I disbelieve.
Los Angeles (city), on the other hand, saw countless businesses damaged or destroyed. Saw countless examples of looting and vandalism. Saw zero people arrested and prosecuted.
Melrose and Santa Monica were hit hard. There's still stretches that haven't fully recovered (riot/looting damage + covid shutdowns? Many businesses didn't have a chance).
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"Police aggressions against journalists covering the protests", what planet do you live on?
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Considering I watched some of the footage of police aiming their guns at the press, who were quite a distance away from the group of protestors, and open fire, I'd say this one.
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So "left wing racists physically attack those who report" was a brainless lie?
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Wanting "the same or more police presence" and not wanting cops to "keep a knee on a handcuffed and pinned-to-the-ground black guy while they're so obviously suffocating that even untrained bystanders can tell" are not mutually-exclusive desires.
Because that second thing is what precipitated the George Floyd protests in Minneapolis.
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Your post is a great example of the dishonest Motte and Bailey tactic. You just got slammed with evidence devastating to your position so you fall back to the dishonest Motte. As soon as you get the chance you'll discard the Motte and go back to your original position, the Bailey, which is "abolish and murder all police".
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We have been here before. The FBI investigated civil rights movements in the 60s, and even tried to get MLK to kill himself. The complaints were the same too. Protests turning violent, murders, criminals, why can't you be peaceful?
In both cases the failure was of the government to not create a situation where people felt that they had to protest, even if there was violence and property damage, because things had become intolerable. Most of them didn't want to set anything on fire, but also were not going to
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So you're saying that the indefinite imprisonment without trial or legal counsel of the jan 6th protestors, who didn't kill a single person and caused a fraction of the property damage of the BLM rioters, is an absolutely unacceptable situation and it's the governments fault for creating a situation where people felt they had to protest? Even if there was violence and property damage?
Because by what you just posted even an ACTUAL armed terrorist insurrection that seizes an entire downtown metro area and lit
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I literally linked you first hand pictures of the destruction and people begging for their lives. Thanks for proving just how pathologically dishonest rich white leftist rioters are about their racist violence against poor and minority neighborhoods.
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Anybody who followed your twitter link would only see 4 photos of a peaceful George Floyd memorial. Did you link incorrectly or are you hoping nobody really follows your links?
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Two billion dollars in destruction, over a thousand buildings razed to the ground in minneapolis alone, entire neighborhoods literally begging for their children not to be burned to death [twitter.com], over fifty cold blooded murders, and a month long armed terrorist insurrection that seized an entire downtown metro area and literally seceded from the United States.
These are the sort of folks who blow up buildings.
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Thanks for giving an example of just how pathologically dishonest rich white leftists are about their racist violence against poor black neighborhoods. All those "90%" figures are flat out malicious lies [archive.is]. It's trivial to make up whatever number you want when you arbitrarily and dishonestly declare every act of violence to have been secretly perpetrated by deep cover right wingers in costume, and do things like count the month long terrorist insurrection in Seattle as dozens of separate "peaceful" protests r
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Your tax dollars are probably going to ZeroFox as a result of kickbacks. The government cites as a reason they need the software, the "failure to anticipate the January 6, 2021, uprising". There was no failure to anticipate, there was a failure to effectively respond, i.e. the security forces stood down. Essentially the same thing that happened for 9/11 and Pearl Harbor, in miniature.
The only question is whether it was planned that way from the beginning, or if they just couldn't let a good crisis go to was
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When you work against the will of 'The People' than every person is a potential threat.
Things that make you a threat actor (Score:1, Insightful)
- Planning violent demonstrations
- Encouraging violence against people and property
- Funding same
So yeah.. BLM organizers were threat actors.
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They literally burned a police station to the ground
Nope, that was a right-wing Boogaloo [thehill.com].
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"stop with the damn links", lol. All you've got is a nasty fat yap.
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Was very limited news coverage of it, because the BLM terrorists kept attacking reporters trying to cover it.
And you never see what you've been indoctrinated to believe isn't there.
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So you have zero evidence as I expected. Shameful.
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Links posted elsewhere, but you knew that.
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You've got absolutely nothing here, I sure do know that. Why did you lie about BLM attacking reporters?
Peaceful? (Score:2)
BLM=Backwards Looking Movement (Score:1)
They took Al Sharpton's race grifting to the next level.
BLM... (Score:1)
Equal Opportunity (Score:1)
Just wait until 'AI' is involved in the process (Score:2)
It will be interesting to see what happens when firms like ZeroFox, or law enforcement agencies directly, start using LLM's to determine threat risks. We can be sure some bright spark is going build a business model around the concept, and the inappropriateness of it all won't stop the FBI and their ilk from piling onto the bandwagon.
As an aside, it occurs to me that we need a 'Godwin's Law' equivalent for AI...
J. Edgar is all about peeping in underwear drawers (Score:2)
What's the problem? (Score:2)
Were they supposed to say "protest organizers which can possibly unintentionally create threats to property and persons, thus requiring monitoring"? Threat actors seems a little more concise.
Not surprising (Score:2)
So what's new? The FBI definitely considered MLK a "threat actor" and tried to kill him [wikipedia.org] before James Earl Ray helped them out.
"peaceful" (Score:2)
I stopped reading after "peaceful". BS;DR
1 police per 1 civilian (Score:2)
Practically it's impossible to deploy 1 police per 1 civilian
Re:BLM is a domestic terrorism group! (Score:4, Funny)
BLM is no different than any radical Neo-Nazi group, ISIS, ALF (Animal Liberation Front), or any other terror group.
Well, now, that's just not true. One wears red, and the other wears blue (just like the Crips and the Bloods), because combatants need to be able to tell friend from foe.
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Once the leaders refused to bifurcate the group, and split off the splinter cells, they came no different from those cells. When you have the choice to side against terrorism, and instead you grab the pipe bomb, riffle, and mega phone, you can't claim later on it was a
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BLM was a largely decentralized movement.
We know that Trump supporters here in the US wanted to violently overthrow the government with leaders even encouraging them. We don't label ALL the Trump supports as terrorists because we're smart enough to distinguish between the violent ones and the vast majority that aren't
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We don't label "Trump Supports" as terrorists, because we know the groups
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It doesn't matter if they were decentralized, ISIS was largely decentralized, so I guess ISIS wasn't a terrorist movement?
Kind of missing the point here. BLM was more of a movement, not an organization. Sure there were some people that did some organizing and even said some things that make you sad, but the movement as a whole and the millions that were part of it were pushing one thing: black lives matter.
Antifa is a largely imaginary group with groups using that name only showing up to counter-protest fascist domestic terrorist groups like the proud boys. They do however make a great boogeyman for right-wing pundits becaus
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If you watch Fox or whatever you'd think Antifa had thousands or millions of people. In reality, there are probably a couple dozen that use that name, mostly in cases where they beat up fascists. Not the threat that the right-wing pundits would have you believe.
Trump has the mobster speak down pat. He's not going to explicitly say to do something illegal (well, usually not, he did tell the Proud Boys to "stand by"), but he never denounced the violence, instead calling it a great day. Even worse, Trump is
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I can find Neo-Nazi groups, or KKK groups around me (sadly), that are friendly, nice, and inviting. If I decide to never look up the leadership, or what they stand for, does it really get me a pass? Being ignorant is not a defence, it's just ignorance, and well I'm sure 99%
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You only think that about BLM because you've conditioned to by racist conservative pundits cherry-picking news stories and coverage. Most people saw the movement for what it was: People across the country peacefully protesting police brutality against minorities. I saw lots of peaceful BLM protesters holding up signs or marching or in rallies around me. Never once did I see anything violent. It was a tiny minority of people that rioted and we've seen that a lot of those involved in the riots weren't eve
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I'm the leader of the group, I find about this after several months. I have numerous options:
1. Do nothing and ignore the problem.
2. Speak out against the issue and remove the
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. A bunch of white people storm the capital, and they're terrorists, but a bunch of non-whites cause billions in damage, and it's a fight for justice?
You mean a bunch of people storm the capitol to overthrow democracy and they're terrorists, a bunch of people protest injustice and they're fighting for justice. The reasoning matters.
It's probably difficult to understand the differences between all these groups if you only watch racist conservative pundits, but I can break it down for you:
BLM: Wants black people to not be murdered
KKK, Neo-Nazis: Wants black people to be murdered
See the difference? Can you see why we'd treat the first group differently tha
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"They don't want to be murdered", is a very different message than domestic terrorism, and billions of dollars in damages. Also, let's be clear who was murdered, Mr Floyd? A career criminal, drug addict, who was known to be violent?
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Lots of black people have been murdered by the police. It's astounding that you would justify these murders because some of them had a criminal history. All of your trucker heroes were criminals for their actions, would you be fine with the police executing them? Especially given the police didn't know about the criminal record, unless you support the death penalty for minor traffic violations it's not something that should be acceptable for to anyone.
Jordan Peterson is a well known conservative nut job w
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I wouldn't get your data on police from a reality TV show celebrating police. They pick the interactions that make the best TV.
There are plenty of other examples if Floyd was too much of a criminal. What about Tamir Rice, the 12yo kid murdered on a playground? Police violence is a serious issue, especially against minorities.
Let's draw a fair analog, if the same rioting members of BLM showed up in Washington, peacefully, instead of rioting, to speak with Trump, and because that were labelled, that would be indefensible, but it's not what happened.
BLM did have protests in Washington that were peaceful. If BLM tried to subvert democracy, they would be treated very differently.
As for Peterson, he's come out saying climate change
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BLM isn't about rioting - you can tell because those things only happened in response to police murders and haven't happened since despite there being plenty of BLM events. Many in the leadership have distanced themselves from the people rioting. They certainly haven't been encouraging people to start new riots (as one might expect from a "terrorist" organization). In fact most BLM rallies are for better accountability of law enforcement and better spending government resources - quite the opposite of an
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The big difference is ISIS has always had a goal of violence while BLM has had the goal of stopping violence. Pretty straightforward.
In summary, only racists and brainwashed conservatives would consider BLM a terrorist organization.
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Slow news day. Or is this article trying to also incite rage and contempt?
-I fell for the click-bait sorry.
Nope, it's to show the hypocrisy of folks on here who will take severe umbrage at the government monitoring right-wing terrorists, or anybody really, while simultaneously claiming this surveillance is perfectly reasonable.