Ted Kaczynski, Known as the 'Unabomber,' has Died in Prison at Age 81 (npr.org) 126
Because he targeted universities and airlines, the FBI had dubbed him the Unabomber, reports the Associated Press:
Theodore "Ted" Kaczynski, the Harvard-educated mathematician who retreated to a dingy shack in the Montana wilderness and ran a 17-year bombing campaign that killed three people and injured 23 others, died Saturday. He was 81... Kaczynski died at the federal prison medical center in Butner, North Carolina, Kristie Breshears, a spokesperson for the federal Bureau of Prisons, told The Associated Press. He was found unresponsive in his cell early Saturday morning and was pronounced dead around 8 a.m., she said. A cause of death was not immediately known.
Before his transfer to the prison medical facility, he had been held in the federal Supermax prison in Florence, Colorado, since May 1998, when he was sentenced to four life sentences plus 30 years for a campaign of terror that set universities nationwide on edge. He admitted committing 16 bombings from 1978 and 1995, permanently maiming several of his victims. Years before the Sept. 11 attacks and the anthrax mailing, the "Unabomber's" deadly homemade bombs changed the way Americans mailed packages and boarded airplanes, even virtually shutting down air travel on the West Coast in July 1995.
He forced The Washington Post, in conjunction with The New York Times, to make the agonizing decision in September 1995 to publish his 35,000-word manifesto, "Industrial Society and Its Future," which claimed modern society and technology was leading to a sense of powerlessness and alienation. [The Post published it "at the urging of federal authorities, after the bomber said he would desist from terrorism if a national publication published his treatise."] But it led to his undoing. Kaczynski's brother David and David's wife, Linda Patrik, recognized the treatise's tone and tipped off the FBI, which had been searching for the "Unabomber" for years in nation's longest, costliest manhunt.
Authorities in April 1996 found him in a 10-by-14-foot (3-by-4-meter) plywood and tarpaper cabin outside Lincoln, Montana, that was filled with journals, a coded diary, explosive ingredients and two completed bombs.
A psychiatrist who interview him in prison said Kaczynski suffered from persecutorial delusions, the article points out. "I certainly don't claim to be an altruist or to be acting for the 'good' (whatever that is) of the human race," Kaczynski wrote on April 6, 1971. "I act merely from a desire for revenge."
A stand-up comic once joked that the only technology that Kaczynski didn't have a problem with....was bombs.
Before his transfer to the prison medical facility, he had been held in the federal Supermax prison in Florence, Colorado, since May 1998, when he was sentenced to four life sentences plus 30 years for a campaign of terror that set universities nationwide on edge. He admitted committing 16 bombings from 1978 and 1995, permanently maiming several of his victims. Years before the Sept. 11 attacks and the anthrax mailing, the "Unabomber's" deadly homemade bombs changed the way Americans mailed packages and boarded airplanes, even virtually shutting down air travel on the West Coast in July 1995.
He forced The Washington Post, in conjunction with The New York Times, to make the agonizing decision in September 1995 to publish his 35,000-word manifesto, "Industrial Society and Its Future," which claimed modern society and technology was leading to a sense of powerlessness and alienation. [The Post published it "at the urging of federal authorities, after the bomber said he would desist from terrorism if a national publication published his treatise."] But it led to his undoing. Kaczynski's brother David and David's wife, Linda Patrik, recognized the treatise's tone and tipped off the FBI, which had been searching for the "Unabomber" for years in nation's longest, costliest manhunt.
Authorities in April 1996 found him in a 10-by-14-foot (3-by-4-meter) plywood and tarpaper cabin outside Lincoln, Montana, that was filled with journals, a coded diary, explosive ingredients and two completed bombs.
A psychiatrist who interview him in prison said Kaczynski suffered from persecutorial delusions, the article points out. "I certainly don't claim to be an altruist or to be acting for the 'good' (whatever that is) of the human race," Kaczynski wrote on April 6, 1971. "I act merely from a desire for revenge."
A stand-up comic once joked that the only technology that Kaczynski didn't have a problem with....was bombs.
Good riddance (Score:5, Interesting)
I know one of the guys he sent a bomb to. Lost his hand in the explosion. Totally nice guy who never did anything to anyone. Just did civilian STEM work.
Fucking psycho.
Re:Good riddance (Score:4, Funny)
We took this guy from an 8-by-10 shack with candle-lighting and an outhouse and moved him into an 8-by-10 cell with electric lights and a flushing toilet.
Boy, we really showed him.
Re:Good riddance (Score:5, Insightful)
... and removed his ability to build bombs and try to blow people up.
So, yeah... we really showed him.
Re: Good riddance (Score:3)
I think he preferred his surroundings over his actual domicile. He was much more of a naturalist, generally preferring to live off of the land, and basically hated technology.
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I think there was a bit more going on there than a desire for the simple life lol
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There are lots of things and some people that I hate, but I've never tried to kill those people.
I'm not a fan of long prison sentences, but since I don't know many other ways to keep him from killing people, this one seemed reasonable.
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Oh, I know a way we could have kept his prison sentence short and kept him killing more people. All we needed was a length of rope, a tree, and horse.
Re: Good riddance (Score:4, Funny)
Oh, I know a way we could have kept his prison sentence short and kept him killing more people. All we needed was a length of rope, a tree, and horse.
How would hanging a horse convince him to stop mailing bombs to people?
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"There are lots of things and some people that I hate, but I've never tried to kill those people." ...yet.
Just a guy living in the moment. (Score:2)
Not a cell phone in sight. Ironically, while being inside a cell.
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From the manifesto (Score:5, Insightful)
His methods may have been immoral but his diagnosis had some merit.
Re:From the manifesto (Score:5, Insightful)
The desire for power and control has less to do with the political side and more to do with your sense of superiority and lack of understanding on the overall system.
"i know better than everyone else" can even spawn on something as petty as some poodle club and the results are always horrible.
Re:From the manifesto (Score:5, Interesting)
Sadly, "I know better than everyone else" also applies to everyone else. That's how you end up with the Stanford's List of Bad Words, with people telling you what you should or should not say and how to say it. Because they know better.
Ted's fundamental thesis, if my understanding is correct, is that the more intertwined the system gets, the less personal freedom and power of choice you have, "for the greater good". He might have equated it a little too much with the left, but the heart of the idea is still there.
Technological progress gives the tools of control to the exact people you DON'T want to have control. The people who think they know better and will do everything to prove that.
Whether it's the right or the left is irrelevant. No one started a war thinking that they're on the wrong side of history.
Re: From the manifesto (Score:3)
Unfortunately, Ted K did know better than everyone else. Go read his works (he continued writing). His early works are downright prophetic. His dire social predictions could have been used as an instruction manual.
Its an off catch-22⦠we would likely never have known of his genius and insight if he had not done such wretched things.
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from the guardian: "Puffin and the Roald Dahl Story Company made the changes in conjunction with Inclusive Minds, which its spokesperson describes as “a collective for people who are passionate about inclusion and accessibility in children’s literature”."
So the publisher and the owners of the story decided to change it. Leftists! Grow up.
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yeah, Burbank is a hot bed of leftists. did you read the Newsweek article? rich white boy acting bad and so blames a book.
At least the leftists could ban the Bible in Utah. woo woo, progress everyday.
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Actually, conservatives banned the bible in Utah. Or rather, they passed a law banning the sorts of things that appear in the bible. It took a concerted effort to get them to abide by their own law and ban the bible.
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Hey what are you complaining about. If you go far enough left you get your guns back.
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Except when it comes to bodily autonomy, right? Or how to live your life when it affects no one else.
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Bodily autonomy doesn't extend to the right to kill babies.
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The Bible gives instructions for it.
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Abortions were common in the Roman Empire at the time of Jesus. Jesus (and the authors of the NT) never mentioned it or condemned it, despite it happening all around them. In fact, through most of history, abortions were permitted before quickening (perceived movement of the fetus) and usually later too. God/Jesus is omniscient, yet somehow forgot to mention the common practice of abortion. But don't worry, I'm sure you know more than God; if the Bible doesn't say what you want, you'll just pretend it d
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Bible is pretty clear that God breathes a soul into the fetus at birth.
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So what's next, ban menstruation and masturbation? Both represent potential human lives that will never be. Who do you nominate to pay for all that prenatal care? And for the childcare while their parents are busy working for the GDP? Someone's tax bill is going to be a whopper!
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Then they bring up asinine analogies to make their points and ask taxpayers to bankroll other people's sexual behaviors as though there was no choice in the matter.
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They are always eager to extend sympathy and defend those they believe incapable of defending themselves.
Like the school kids who get slaughtered every other month?
Then they bring up asinine analogies to make their points and ask taxpayers to bankroll other people's sexual behaviors as though there was no choice in the matter.
The asinine analogy is a bunch of cells is someone a person. If that is the case than an egg is a chicken. But that is an asinine assumption, isn't it?
All of the unhinging comes from
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All of the unhinging comes from the right who wants to dictate to women what they can do with their body while claiming they are for freedom. You know, like not wearing a mask for a few minutes while they shop. It's funny how the right suddenly embraced my body, my choice for something so insignificant.
It's using the Left's Saul Alinsky tactics ("Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules") against them.
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More trying to goad you into actually making some sort of rational argument about when something is or is not a living human being as opposed to a collection of cells or a (possibly extraneous) structure within a human being.
For centuries, the first breath after cutting the cord was the demarcation, for example.
For many, it's the point where it could live outside of the womb.
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Like the school kids who get slaughtered every other month?
Liberal logic: When someone goes on a shooting rampage, take away guns from everyone who had nothing at all to do with it. The left has no monopoly on wanting to stop children from being shot. We just disagree on the solutions.
The asinine analogy is a bunch of cells is someone a person. If that is the case than an egg is a chicken. But that is an asinine assumption, isn't it?
And it is just as asinine to call a baby at eight months gestation, a clump of cells. The line must be drawn somewhere.
All of the unhinging comes from the right who wants to dictate to women what they can do with their body while claiming they are for freedom. You know, like not wearing a mask for a few minutes while they shop. It's funny how the right suddenly embraced my body, my choice for something so insignificant.
Claiming to be for the rights of women while maintaining that the baby has no rights, gives you no moral high ground. The left is fond of saying “your righ
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Liberal logic: When someone goes on a shooting rampage, take away guns from everyone who had nothing at all to do with it. The left has no monopoly on wanting to stop children from being shot. We just disagree on the solutions.
Yes, exactly. Take away the guns that will be used to kill people.
Claiming to be for the rights of women while maintaining that the baby has no rights, gives you no moral high ground.
There is no baby.
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There is no baby.
How do you know it doesn't identify as a baby? /s
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A baby is something that happens through birth when God breathes a soul into them. Before they are fetuses.
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Yes, the risk to life and constant reminders of trauma are such a minor inconvenience to a sexually assaulted child.
Ans it's definitely worth letting women die when they have a partial miscarriage just to make sure.
/s in case you missed it.
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Because they REALLY do happen to actual people with unfortunate frequency. Ignoring that is morally and ethically indefensible and frankly disgusting.
OTOH, I have yet to hear of any actual example of someone who routinely uses abortion as a primary means of birth control in the modern world. If you ever do find such a woman, I would suggest appointing a competent legal guardian and a psychotherapist.
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so, we should not remove cancerous cells? they are living, are they not? who are you to draw the line?
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Both sides of the political spectrum believe that men lose bodily autonomy in times of war.
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Republican rights: the ability to cram Christian hobgobblins down everyone else's throats, the right to shot the person knocking on your door claiming you felt "threatened", the ability to lose your life's savings because you had the temerity to get a life threatening illness, the ability to wallow in penury because you didn't have the advantages rich parents gave their kids, the right to believe fuck all because some orange bozo told you to, etc.
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What militia are you part of again?
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Re:From the manifesto (Score:4, Insightful)
Ironically, it was him that's like that. He talks about ruthlessness of the secret police, yet he himself carried out ruthless acts against others. Kind of like murderers in prison complaining that the food is bad. They expect everyone to be sensitive to their petty wants and act morally, but refuse to do the same for others.
Re:From the manifesto (Score:5, Interesting)
Ted was a brilliant kid and math prodigy. Attended Harvard at 15. Then things probably started going sideways then. He was involved in a psychological experiment involving verbal emotional abuse, with the experiment going on for 3 years. Suggestions this was part of mkultra but it's unclear and no evidence of it. Ted denied it but I think it likely lead to his hating the academic establishment, even though he was later an assistant professor. Still an unknown how different things would have been if the teenager had been treated humanely.
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In Ted's words: "quite confident that [his] experiences with Professor Murray had no significant effect on the course of [his] life."
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Re: From the manifesto (Score:2)
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That's true everywhere, when you don't have power you have to play nice to try and gain support. Once you have power, you don't need to play nice since you can use the power to strengthen and retain your position.
Re:From the manifesto (Score:4, Insightful)
I read part of the manifesto back in the day when it was published by the Washington Post, IIRC at the request of agents who thought somebody might recognize the writing style and help crack the case. I think his brother actually did, based on that. Anyway, I too thought he had some real insight and I got as far as a line that said, "that's why we have to kill people" and I was instantly snapped back to reality. That one word, "kill" that some people might gloss over, made me realize how documents like that can lure people in and help form the foundation of extremist political movements. I didn't know anybody who wrote like that, expressed such ideas, or had the means to carry out the bombings. Also, it was rather long, so I stopped reading a few lines after that.
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That one word, "kill" that some people might gloss over, made me realize how documents like that can lure people in and help form the foundation of extremist political movements.
Someone using the word "kill" implies people form extremist political movements?
AFAIK, the Unabomber party never wins. I blame Big Academy.
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https://docs.google.com/viewer... [google.com] And he is actually correct. This was before the internet with the mainstream press controlling everything. Do not think his manifesto would ever have been accepted as an op-ed.
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You remember correctly. The person that recognized the writing style and tipped offf the FBI was his brother, David.
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Pretty impressive. Remembering that all the way back from.. the summary.
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The true and useful part of Kaczynski's diagnosis can also be found in Dilbert: It sucks to be a worker in a cubicle. It sucks to have no control over your working life. These are true statements.
Coincidentally(?), he also hated the same collection of leftists that Scott Adams does, and agreed with Scott Adams that if people fighting for racial justice had just asked more nicely there wouldn't be so much racism.
Naively, he thought that people would be happier if they lived like pioneers, struggling fo
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Modern dentistry, cancer drugs and other pharmaceuticals, anti-viral drugs, vaccines, modern medical practice, sewage plants, modern water treatment plants, etc.
So go back to 1700s, they are waiting for you to enjoy a short life. As for leftists, they don't want a dog-eat-dog world which is the right winger's wet dream.
Re: From the manifesto (Score:1)
Big Brother only wants the best for you.
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Big Brother is an asshole, but if you assume Big Brother didn't exist before 1700, you're... not very bright.
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. The problem is technology is people, not technology. People are always the problem. Technology causes and solves problems; destroying the technology removes the "solves" part but doesn't affect the "causes" part since those in power still have the technology.
He was the Original Incel (Score:2)
no there is plenty of counter example (Score:2)
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Crazy people are just like all of us; they are human too the DIFFERENCE is a few aspects are outside what is considered healthy. The crazy aspect can be quite minor and simply be 1 delusional premise in an otherwise sound chain of logic. I'm not saying this was in his case, his view of leftist , liberalism was far more delusional than a few errors and sadly has spread to many American simpletons. The liberal / conservative BS has become way more delusional and combined with modern psychology and now is
Cell available (Score:5, Funny)
Just in time for Donald Trump
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It might work given the right Judge and jury.
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> It might work given the right Judge and jury.
Judge Aileen Mercedes Cannon and 12 Florida jurors?
I've lost all hope at this point of Trump getting prison from that prosecution case. Now I'm only hoping that Cannon gets removed from the bench, or the arbitrary judicial ridiculousness just pitches Florida into tangible chaos.
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By advocating jail for someone who has spent much of his life breaking the law and saying we can't jail him because he's rich?
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By turning everything political, and then riding your own little hobby horse through it.
This is a thread about the Unabomber.
Not Trump.
Personally I think the worst thing we could do to Trump is to ENTIRELY STOP TALKING ABOUT HIM. He'd be in suicidal agony. ...then where would you get your rage boner?
But
Interesting pattern here (Score:2)
Hmmm.... Robert Hanssen, the FBI spy and guilty party for the most massive leak of confidential information in the US intelligent community, died a few days ago. Now Ted Kaczynski is dead and died at the exact same prison. *Puts Tin Foil Hat On* Hmmm... perhaps there is something in the food and the US Bureau of Prisons is trying to save some money in housing these very-expensive-to-house prisoners.
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Okay, okay. I didn't RTFA before I posted this. He died in the medical facility in Butner, NC. But he spent most of his time at the supermax in Florence, CO. Tin foil hat theory still applies.
Re:Interesting pattern here (Score:5, Informative)
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Nope, we've fixed the glitch here in the US. With enough guns, anti-vax, and shitty health care if you're not rich, a lot of us die before we get old!
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Not really.
The BOP has recently claimed the title worst federal agency to work for (after a fairly lengthy campaign of driving their already mediocre reputation into dust). Most cited reasons- criminally understaffed and woefully incompetent management. I occasionally run across news stories of the department being sued for negligence that is near Kafkaesque.
Butner was maybe the most up-to-date and advanced medical center in the prison system. Expect more of these stories in the future.
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I write letters to prisoners, including prisoners in federal prison. It's amazing what one can learn from them about their part of the world. I know quite a lot about the conditions in federal prisons from my correspondents. Also, a close friend of mine served some time in federal prison at Butner, although not in the medical section of the prison. You are correct that BOP has an awful reputation. Dismal isn't a strong enough word to describe it. There may not be an adjective in the English language a
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That's mostly Working As Intended, though. In the US we tend to want prisons to be punitive rather than reforming. And we get what we pay for. It's a terrible idea, but as long as we assume that only Those People are in prison, it's exactly what we want!
We get the government we choose. It's shitty, but it's true.
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the US intelligent community
I get so sick of those Mensa creeps!
Re: Interesting pattern here (Score:2)
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Actually, if I remember correctly (I read it somewhere but don't remember the source), the Florence supermax has plenty of empty cells. It's nowhere near its designed capacity.
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Re: What a waste of taxpayer money. (Score:1)
Does an eye for an eye leave the whole world blind?
*Pushing glasses up the bridge of my nose* (Score:2)
Actually, the FBI did not call him the Unabomber. They called him the UNABOMER. All caps, no second B. It's the media that was like "That's dumb, we're putting it in lowercase and adding the other b."
At least he was fiscally responsible (Score:2)
He had no credit rating.
The psychological torture of Kaczynski (Score:5, Interesting)
Although Kaczynski himself denied that this experience had any impact on his later life, it's hard to believe that his later violence was unrelated to what happened to him then. It should also be noted that Murray had ties with the OSS, the predecessor to the CIA, during WW2. Some have suggested that the experiment was a part of CIA sponsored mind control experiments being run at schools like Harvard and Stanford at that time.
That's everyday life in some online forums. (Score:2)
Life is brutalizing because there are a lot of brutal people out there, and they gravitate to positions of power. Nothing unique about his experience.
Re: That's everyday life in some online forums. (Score:2)
To be fair, he was basically a kid when he undertook the experiment. For how smart he was, he was still in his teens and therefore still dealing with the emotional vulnerabilities everyone in his age group goes through.
It's a wonder we don't have more unabombers. (Score:2)
How might this have changed with internet? (Score:2)
I wonder if we could have found him if he wasn't as special when the manifesto was published. I mean 1995 was just before the internet became really big (right?). When anyone could "publish" their manifesto online for people to read and share.
Or would he have done a similar stunt to provoke attention?
I don't know him or the situation a ton, but it seems like he was wanting to be heard and this was how "important" people did. If he'd had a smaller amount of attention from people who agreed (or hated his i
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Your source doesn't give data for the first two.
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Heart disease: 695,547 [cdc.gov]
Cancer: 605,213
COVID-19: 416,8
Bullshit police kill more than half a million each year.
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Axiomatically false.
So you say. Unfortunately you don't get to make up axioms either.
Bullshit police kill more than half a million each year.
If you take the number of police encounters you'll find more of them kill people
than diseases in the air.
We're all exposed to various pathogens daily, and yet most of us live. Those
who are exposed to the pathogen called "cops" die on a much grander scale.
We're only spared global death counts because there just aren't enough cops
to kill us all.
But hey, go back to raw numbers, why don'cha.
https://www.bookbrowse.com/exp... [bookbrowse.com]...
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