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50 US Senators Issued Satellite Phones (cbsnews.com) 115

Long-time Slashdot reader SonicSpike shared this report from CBS News: Amid growing concerns of security risks to members of Congress, over 50 senators have been issued satellite phones for emergency communication, people familiar with the measures told CBS News... [Senate Sergeant at Arms] Gibson said satellite communication is being deployed "to ensure a redundant and secure means of communication during a disruptive event." Gibson said the phones are a security backstop in the case of an emergency that "takes out communications" in part of America.
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50 US Senators Issued Satellite Phones

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  • Why (Score:5, Insightful)

    by usedtobestine ( 7476084 ) on Saturday May 27, 2023 @10:43AM (#63555415)

    The making or changing of laws is the last thing we want to be happening during, or soon after, a crisis. Remember last time? We got the PATRIOT ACT.

    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      by dfghjk ( 711126 )

      "Remember last time?"

      You mean Jan. 6? We definitely don't want Senators to be able to communicate then, right?

      • Nah, this is more likely about larger-scale events, e.g. extreme weather or earthquakes, when everyone starts calling at once to check up on their loved ones & overwhelm the telecoms systems. Not sure why senators would have satellite phones & not emergency & disaster management services... or perhaps they already have them?
    • This was planned shortly after January 6th. It is a direct response to the events of that day.

      The media's acting like this is some sort of Doomsday protection. In particular there's a lot of right-wing media trying to fear monger about Russia going nuclear if we don't let them roll over Ukraine (and eventually Poland). So instead of sensibly pointing out that this is just because following January 6th additional security measures were put in place we get stories like this.
      • Re:January 6th (Score:4, Insightful)

        by gtall ( 79522 ) on Saturday May 27, 2023 @12:54PM (#63555667)

        The right wingnut media is still ornery over Ukraine not coming up with the "goods" on Biden, even after the former alleged president told them what he wanted. After the invasion, he called Putin's invasion "genius". If he gets in again, it will only be Europe standing up to his minder in the Kremlin...a Europe without the U.S. in NATO.

        • Re: (Score:1, Funny)

          by taustin ( 171655 )

          Still sucking the dick of the "Trump-Russia" conspiracy bullshit, eh?

          The recent report on the investigation into that pretty conclusively shows that the only people not involved were . . . Trump and Russia.

          It is highly relevant that Putin invaded Crimea while a Democrat was in the White House, and waited until another Democrat was in the White House to invade the rest of Ukraine. He knew better while Trump was in office.

          • Re:January 6th (Score:4, Insightful)

            by Ksevio ( 865461 ) on Saturday May 27, 2023 @06:22PM (#63556133) Homepage

            The recent report on the investigation into that pretty conclusively shows that the only people not involved were . . . Trump and Russia.

            You found a report saying that the Trump-Russia collaborations didn't involve Trump or Russia? Are you sure this wasn't a report about something else entirely? It's very well established that Russia helped Trump to win the 2016 election and several members of the Trump team were caught working with Russia to make that happen (including Trump publicly requesting Russia release dirt on his opponent...right before Russia released dirt on his opponent)

          • Still sucking the dick of the "Trump-Russia" conspiracy bullshit, eh?

            The Dick [justsecurity.org] — The asshole [slashdot.org] — get fucked.

    • I’m having a hard time seeing how this is even remotely related to the patriot act or anything similar.

    • That's exactly why. If no crisis is available, one will be created.
    • Exactly, these fools overrate their importance in a crisis. They're the least wanted at such times.

      • Most people in congress are the kind of people who would rub me the wrong way. You don’t get there by being what I’d consider a good person but they have duties beyond creating laws. I don’t know what all these duties are but I do know enough to know they may be requires to act in an emergency situation.

    • Oh my! Cykaface sounds nervous. I can't imagine why....

  • If they really wanted emergency communications, they should have someone on their staff be ham radio licensed. I know you'll quickly say that members of congress couldn't figure out how to operate a ham radio. You might be right, but they won't be able to figure out how to operate a satellite phone either.
    • Well, encrypted comm via amateur radio is difficult and requires licensing. Sat phones are trivially easy to operate by comparison. But, but, ham radio capability could provide comms back to their constituents. And that's why it won't happen.

    • They should do that too, but they really need encrypted communications anyway. It's not like it's hard to come by radios that do that.

      • I’m about 20 years out of the loop on this but in my experience with encrypted radios they’re a bit kludgy. We were doing sensitive military work on unencrypted radios with the capability because they lost their keys every time you changed the battery. Plus talking to people with radios that can go around the world is a bit technical compared to a satphone.

    • by Calydor ( 739835 )

      Are HAM radios portable the way a satellite phone is? Or would they first have to be able to get to their office to send out a distress call or receive warning to take cover RIGHT THE HELL NOW?

      • Re portability: âoeHam radioâ is a pretty broad term, covering devices that might operate on any one or more of multiple bands ranging from VLF to Microwave frequencies, and transmitting signals from microwatts to over 1000 watts. Iâ(TM)ve seen âoeham radiosâ the size of a postage stamp used to send telemetry from a weather balloon.

        The portability of a ham radio is determined by its intended use, the band it operates on, and the antenna it will need to do its job. For many uses, the

        • by kriston ( 7886 )

          Ã(TM)ve seen Ãoeham radiosÃ

          That doesnÃ(TM)t mean

          If theyÃ(TM)re not

          Why do your posts have these weird characters in them? Are you using a Mac?

      • You can buy portable ham trancievers that are no larger than your typical emergency service walkie talkie. And they can have encryption and flash memory that does not lose their keys when the batteries are taken out.

        These radios won't have to be able to broadcast all over the world, just within the area where help is needed and available.

    • Sat phones have to be easy enough for nontechnical consumers a lot of congress has been probably using them since the 90s when they were considerably more complex.

    • by jon3k ( 691256 )
      They are really not difficult to use. I've deployed them to executives for 20 years (I work in healthcare IT). Mostly because they wanted phone service on their boats.

      You extend an antenna, turn them on and then use them like a normal phone. If most of humanity can use a smartphone then they can operate one of these [satellitephonestore.com]. I've used two stage dialing before and while it's pretty easy to explain, I've always avoided it as an unnecessary complication. The most difficult part is just telling people (at least
      • That kinda sums up what's wrong with US healthcare.

        • That kinda sums up what's wrong with US healthcare.

          What's wrong with US health care is that the death-panel-operating private insurance companies were written into the law instead of destroyed with extreme prejudice. We got Romneycare, called it Obamacare, and pretended it was good.

    • by mister_hoberman_to_y ( 1120933 ) on Saturday May 27, 2023 @12:00PM (#63555579)

      Licensed ham here: Encryption is specifically prohibited over ham radio, with the one exception of satellite control purposes.

    • I'm wondering how a sat phone is supposed to work inside a thick building made of concrete and steel.

      • by kriston ( 7886 )

        That depends on the frequency. Up to just under 2 GHz it works fine. Above that, you can say that all bets are off.

        TFA and other news outlets don't say what brand of satellite phone they're offered so I can't really say, but most of the current satellite phone systems operate in the L-band which is around 1.5 GHz which penetrates building structures well.

  • by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Saturday May 27, 2023 @10:49AM (#63555421) Homepage Journal

    Senate administrators have also offered "stop the bleed" training

    I just recently attended a CERT training, hopefully we will be getting our own team here in my little town and I intend to be on it. And this is one of the courses I want to take the most, as it seems to have immense utility. Speaking of which, did y'all know many styptic powders are mostly hydrated lime?

    Emergency training ought to be promoted more, and given out more freely. I didn't have to pay a cent. FEMA has a bunch of free online courses that are also potentially a lot more useful than FEMA itself often is in an emergency... You go sign up for your FEMASID number, which in my case was spit out by the site immediately, and then you can sign up for the course material.

  • ... and only 4 of the others can figure out how to work them.
    • The Senators need to get some run time on their satellite phones which will increase the probability that the phones will "work" when they are needed. There should be some guidelines, such as: Do the senators keep the phones turned on all the time or does somebody have to tell them that it's time for them to turn the phone on? Is it the senator themselves that are expected to use the phones, or will it always be a staff member?
    • I'm sure their appliances have "12:00" ever flashing on them too. :-\

      If a senator needs a Jitterbug phone, I don't think he or she should be a senator.

  • So.. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by SuperDre ( 982372 ) on Saturday May 27, 2023 @11:45AM (#63555549) Homepage
    Something is going to happen real soon, but are not warning the public.
    • by gtall ( 79522 )

      Stop watching TV, bad for you...make you believe silly things...

      • Who needs scare peices on TV when there are subtle signs that something is brewing?

        It's like a veteran storm chaser being able to tell that a tornado is highly likeky to hit just by looking at the sky and feeling the surrounding air hours before the storm hits. Or an average joe noticing that something "seems off" about a neighborhood.

    • by kackle ( 910159 )
      It's interesting that they just convinced Ford to keep AM radios in their cars, too.
  • The Proud Boys and the Klan will no doubt be pleased with the new equipment.

  • Should've just gotten them each a top-end iPhone 14 pro max whatever that will send messages via satellite in an emergency. I can't imagine any Senator wanting to carry around (and keep charged) another gizmo they're rarely if ever going to use. Probably whatever aide draws the short straw gets stuck with it.

  • by david.emery ( 127135 ) on Saturday May 27, 2023 @12:59PM (#63555675)

    Russia has demonstrated localized attacks on Starlink and GPS. In a first tier conflict (as Mick Ryan pointed out in his fictional account of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan, "White Sun War: The Campaign for Taiwan "), anti-satellite warfare will be a significant part of the conflict. These would be reliable/dependable in a natural disaster or a domestic event, but not in a battle against China. US military would also be severely compromised by the loss of satellite resources (communications, surveillance and GPS.)

    • Redundancy is the word I believe, cykaface. Besides, The ruSSia is done like dinner. Soft belly exposed, ready to be carved up.

      • Well, almost 40 years ago a friend demonstrated (mathematically) that it was an order of magnitude cheaper to launch space junk in front of a satellite to damage/destroy it, than to launch a satellite that was sufficiently armored to defeat that junk. There have been proposals for launch-on-demand satellites (I don't know if US built those, that wasn't my part of the Military-Industrial Complex.) But at some point, there is a concern that there's so much space junk there's no room left for new satellites,

        • Yeah I figure it's just a matter of time until this festering boil of fascism does something truly stupid(amazing how high that bar is...), and unfortunately it will probably be a bit messy, but if the minority thinks it has a chance against the majority.....well, I certainly look forward to seeing this lesson delivered once again.

          Hard to imagine something more divine than watching them get annihilated for the last time by people who actually believe what they say.

  • I'm guessing they are concerned with attacks targeted at individual senators just as much as an attack on phone/electrical infrastructure at large. The article makes it sound like they are only concerned with the latter.

    With the wide availability of malware for commercial smartphones, and jammers/tower emulators targeted at commercial smartphones, and the documented incidents of politicians (and normal people for that matter) being hit with these things, I'm surprised they didn't start issuing them special

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    • by PPH ( 736903 )

      We are well beyond that point. The continued daily operation of various private entities (banks, health care, etc.) requires the ongoing and repeated blessing of various federal officials. Regardless of whether they actually provide any added value to the ongoing processes, their approval must be sought. The will not be ignored.

  • ... payphones on Epstein Island?

  • ...even senators be co-opted into the "be afraid, all the time, if everything" industry.

    I'd be interested to see the political alignment of the 52 senators that accepted this rather absurd precaution.

    If "all communications around the US are severed" literally the last person it would be helpful to hear from would be a federal senator.

  • To receive priority calling, the GETS [cisa.gov] system (calling card) works with any phone like a calling card.

    For cell phones, WPS [cisa.gov] is tied to a particular phone.

    Satellite phones offer a backup alternative for regional disasters.

    Non government and some critical business decision-makers and workers are able to receive these services due to the nature of their work or affiliations.

    Honestly, I would want senators to also have Starlink and a second satellite data option. In addition, they should have a pool of HAM radio

  • Last time I checked there are 100 senators. Why do only 50 get sat phones? Who decided who gets them? Why not congressmen? Governors? If you want to maintain communications during a crisis seems like more should be available. SpaceX will solve this. Soon all T-mobile Cell phones will be capable of communicating with Starlink system.
  • Just wondering if these are Starlink, making them beholden to Musk, or some other brand.

    Can Starlink pinpoint the location of the caller?

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