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Senator Plans To Introduce Bill To Ban TikTok Nationwide (reuters.com) 160

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: U.S. Senator Josh Hawley, a Republican and China hawk, said on Tuesday that he would introduce a bill to ban the short video app TikTok in the United States. TikTok, whose parent is the Chinese company ByteDance, already faces a ban that would stop federal employees from using or downloading TikTok on government-owned devices. "TikTok is China's backdoor into Americans' lives. It threatens our children's privacy as well as their mental health," he said on Twitter. "Now I will introduce legislation to ban it nationwide." Hawley did not say when the bill would be introduced. "Senator Hawley's call for a total ban of TikTok takes a piecemeal approach to national security and a piecemeal approach to broad industry issues like data security, privacy and online harms," said TikTok spokeswoman Brooke Oberwetter. "We hope that he will focus his energies on efforts to address those issues holistically, rather than pretending that banning a single service would solve any of the problems he's concerned about or make Americans any safer."
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Senator Plans To Introduce Bill To Ban TikTok Nationwide

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  • Bread and Circuses (Score:2, Insightful)

    by jebrick ( 164096 )

    Next up in the cultural war queue...

    So why is Tik-Tok different in effecting children's privacy and mental health than any other social media( other than it is controlled by China)?

    • by vlad30 ( 44644 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @08:29AM (#63238984)
      Because it is more addictive than anything the west has created. A timewaster outperforming facebook and every social media platform before it. Perfect for filling users brains with pro china, anti west propaganda and it does it subtly. It also comes with Tik Tok challenges like this https://nypost.com/2023/01/17/... [nypost.com] Now i don't mind stupidity removing itself from the gene pool in that age range its usually peer pressure that continues when they at home.

      Every parent I know is banning and educating their child away from it. Once they achieve success grades and behaviour always improve

    • by Torodung ( 31985 )

      Controlled by China is a BFD. The rest of it is pretty dire too, of course, but this app is more-than-likely being used for espionage. Think political interference in these kids' futures. Think information for grooming intelligence assets.

      You are promoting false equivalency because Hawley can't come up with anything better than a "think of the children" campaign for this. True. That's a tired old excuse.

      But I believe it is Hawley's lack of creativity and intelligence you are reacting to. It's definitely not

    • by brunes69 ( 86786 ) <slashdot@nOSpam.keirstead.org> on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @09:22AM (#63239106)

      How did the "culture war" evolve into supporting known Chinese espionage?

      How is this a left / right issue, at all?

      • Because it's not known. Maybe a lot of people suspect it, but if there's clear proof then the intelligence agencies haven't released it yet.

        It's one thing to be anti-trade with China, but the reasons given by Hawley were "think of the children" and not "they're spying on us", and he did not propose a ban on all Chinese goods in any way but singled out only one.

        • Actually, it is HIGHLY KNOWN

          www.buzzfeednews.com/emilybakerwhite/tiktok-tapes-us-user-data-china-bytedance-access

          The FBI, FCC, NSA, CISA, TSA, and the armed forces are all pushing to ban this app. It's already banned in the executive branch itself (you can't use it on Air Force One or in any sensitive area of the white house).

          Try as you might to turn it into a partisan issue, you can't.

    • by jonadab ( 583620 )
      It's mainly because it's controlled by the narrative-shaping apparatus of a hostile and highly Orwellian foreign government.

      I still think the right solution is not to ban the app, but rather to confiscate ByteDance's stake (on the grounds that ByteDance is essentially a front for the government of an authoritartian single-party state), force TikTok to issue an IPO and obtain a Western/international board of directors and answer to stockholders, and forbid the company to have any communciations of any kind w
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by rally2xs ( 1093023 )

      What's different is that everything the kids put up goes to the Chinese Communist Party. So some airhead teen starts blabbing about his military Dad being deployed to Zambia, or their Mom's work in defense weapons research, and instantly the CCP can add the Dad as part of the unit they already know is there, and maybe open a file on some weapons tech they hadn't heard of before. With enough blabbing, they figure out the strength of the military unit and the fact that there a a research project for drone

    • It's not, it's just a voting issue. However it's also likely unconstitutional to have such a ban. But that rarely stops legislators if they think they can spin some political straw into gold.

  • tiktawk is total trash. Maybe the kidz can then hop over to Vine.

  • It's the standard defense strategy:
    1. First, claim "we didn't do it". When that fails...
    2. Claim "ok we did it, but everyone is doing it, so why are you picking on us?" (That's today's situtation). When that eventually fails...
    3. Claim "ok we did it, and yes we're worse than everyone else, but we had to do it", and make up some b.s. reasons why you absolutely had no choice. I'm guessing the phrase "staying competitive" will be in there when TikTok moves into this final stage of excuse exhaustion.

    Can'

  • "We begin bombing in five minutes." - Josh Hawley
  • Yet another Republican implicitly acknowledging his alignment with such charming regimes.
    • I think we can strike "envy" of the list... is there any cardinal sin left that party doesn't consider a qualification requirement?

      I was wondering for a long time why our Christians in Europe love god and the ones in the US fear him. No more. I'd fear that guy too if I believed he was real and acted that way.

  • Senator Hawley's call for a total ban of TikTok takes a piecemeal approach to national security... We hope that he will focus his energies on efforts to address those issues holistically, rather than pretending that banning a single service would solve any of the problems he's concerned about or make Americans any safer.

    "Senator Hawley differentiates between invasion of privacy and online harms committed by American corporations, and those perpetrated by Chinese companies in cooperation with the Chinese government. Ultimately, I'm effectively being paid by the Chinese government, so I'm waving my hands and dusting off my very best vocabulary in the vain hope that I can distract you from the very important distinction pointed out by the senator".

  • I don't know if this will improve national security but it will probably improve our nation's mental health and test scores.
    • How so? People can consume exactly the same type of content on YouTube Shorts, Instagram Reels and many other places.

  • Oh, the irony (Score:4, Insightful)

    by sls1j ( 580823 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @09:45AM (#63239186) Homepage
    The irony of this sentence is staggering: ""TikTok is China's backdoor into Americans' lives. It threatens our children's privacy as well as their mental health," he said on Twitter."
  • Banning Tiktok altogether seems idiotic. Banning the exfiltration of the personal data of American citizens who use Tiktok to servers in China seems achievable without killing the app altogether. Unless Tiktok uses proxies in neutral countries to achieve this goal.

    • by brunes69 ( 86786 )

      The problem is that TikTok is owned by China and thus is subject to *its own* espionage act, which overrules any rules the US puts on it.

      IE, the US can ban exfiltrating the data, but the owners live in China, and when China says jump, they will exfiltrate it anyway.

      It has already been well documented that TikTok is exfiltrating data en-masse to China. It isn't even a matter of debate.

      • Then force them to make the choice. If we know the app is sending data and breaking laws, start filing criminal charges against executives and start working with major backbone providers to ban ips behind the Great Firewall known to be used for this activity. Just banning the app could be a PR disaster. Congress needs to put controls in place to allow this kind of exfiltration potentially illegal.

        We both know what Tiktok is doing. The point is to take their executives to the mat in public so that their

  • Josh Hawley is a disaster in every way. Well maybe not "every" way but close enough.
    https://www.businessinsider.co... [businessinsider.com]
    https://slate.com/news-and-pol... [slate.com]
    https://rollcall.com/2018/04/2... [rollcall.com]

    The only legislation he should be "introdcing" is the one showing the way out.

    FUCK OFF Josh Hawley and other pieces of shit who abuse children but want to censor the entire Internet.
    We don't need you, we don't want you, and our planet would be better if you offed yourself. We don't need
    your censorship to control our virulent

  • Just saying.

    Pornography is legally defined as:

    Pornography–"porn" or "porno" for short–is material that depicts nudity or sexual acts for the purpose of sexual stimulation. However, the presence of nudity or sexual acts in piece of media does not necessarily make that media pornographic if the purpose of that media form is something other than sexual stimulation. Pornography can take the form of photographs, videos, written material, audio recordings, or animation, among other media formats.

    I see

  • Tells me that I need to use TikTok because its clear that none of the 3 letters agencias have backdoor access to it (unlike everything from Meta).

    You are free!.....To do as we tell you.

  • by Joey Vegetables ( 686525 ) on Wednesday January 25, 2023 @10:33AM (#63239300) Journal

    At first glance:

    This is not authorized by the Constitution, and is therefore prohibited by it (9th and 10th amendments).

    It is also perilously close to being an unconstitutional bill of attainder (We can punish you, because you are guilty, because we said so.) Generally considered a 4th Amendment violation.

    It is also perilously close to being a First Amendment violation (since any app is simply a long string of ones and zeroes).

    It also is perilously close to, if not actually, violating the right of all persons to liberty and/or property, amongst other things, without due process of law (5th and 14th Amendments).

    I say all this as one who hates TikTok, does not use it, and completely agrees with much of what has been said about its potential for undermining security and democracy (and infinitely more importantly FREEDOM).

    The governments of free societies, by definition, can't just ban anything they don't like.

    They can and should instead make sure there are no ongoing violations of life, liberty or property that are not being adequately addressed by current law.

    For instance, a law at the STATE level, saying that for security and privacy reasons TikTok may not phone home to servers outside the U.S., might pass constitutional muster. And it might actually be useful.

    (Disclaimer: not a lawyer; not your lawyer; don't play one on TV; etc.)

    • It is also perilously close to being a First Amendment violation (since any app is simply a long string of ones and zeroes).

      I don't know the rest of the US constitution well enough to comment but this seems a highly dubious line of argument.

      If they could ban the DeCSS algorithm [wikipedia.org] they can ban the TikTok app.

      The governments of free societies, by definition, can't just ban anything they don't like.

      I don't know if a ban is justified, but this is about TikTok actively being used by a semi-hostile foreign government to spy on the US.

      For instance, a law at the STATE level, saying that for security and privacy reasons TikTok may not phone home to servers outside the U.S., might pass constitutional muster. And it might actually be useful.

      Why State? My understanding is that if something is unconstitutional for the US Federal government it's also unconstitutional for the States.

      • "They" are different people. The executive can make some decisions without passing laws - put a trade embargo, on a nation for example.
        Also, DeCSS was not banned by law, there was no law that said "DeCSS itself shall be illegal." Instead DeCSS violated parts of an already existing law. And the "ban" was from several civil lawsuits, none of which were initiated by the US government

        Now that existing law might not itself be strictly valid constitutionally, but that's a separate argument.

        In other words, your

    • > The governments of free societies, by definition,
      > can't just ban anything they don't like.

      Sure they can. Or at least the US government can. All they have to do is concoct an argument, no matter how specious (Though in the case of TikTok, I think it won't be.) that something has some effect on "interstate commerce" and they can not only ban stuff, but do pretty much anything they damn well like. It's very flagrant loophole abuse. But it's passed constitutional muster with a much less corrupt SCO

    • by sconeu ( 64226 )

      Thank you. I came here to say almost the exactly the same thing.

    • And like most such bills, they authors don't care about constitutional or governance issues. These these bills get them noticed by their voter and funding base, and that's what they care about.

      These are also ways that you can appear to look like you're doing a lot of work in congress without actually doing anything.

  • Every time I read crap like this, this is the first thing that comes to mind: https://youtu.be/9yL89sTITZQ [youtu.be]

  • In what way wouldn't this violate the 1st A?
  • Why the hate? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by WCLPeter ( 202497 )

    Seriously, I don't get what all the fuss is about this app. Any time I've used it there's just a bunch of cosplayers, video game / board game stuff, LGTBQ+ stuff, people pumping up others and supporting their mental health, and attractive college women dancing. Yet everyone's acting like it's the end of the world and China's coming to steal all our stuff and spy on our kids?

    Looking at the profile and settings page in the app I don't see any information that other apps haven't asked for - oh noes, China ha

  • Next up, we should probably have Congress passing some kind of law to change the background on teenagers phones.

    The other day I seen a teenager exercise, complete autonomy and free expression by having a background on their phone of a harmless rock band.

    Dont you know we cannot have our children listening to the devils music. I think Marilyn Manson is on there.

  • Banning something nationwide is not the same as banning it for federal employees.

    If you care about what they're doing then ban what you don't like, not a particular player. Make federal employees unable to use ANYTHING that tracks everything you do. No Facebook, no LinkedIn, etc. Then see how fast big tech changes things.

    Block it at the network, and then punish people who work around the network blocks.

  • Imagine being so entitled that you want to ban a service because it's the one form of social media that your country doesn't fully control. What if every other country started banning US social media services using the same exact reasoning?

    I've never used TikTok, but the more these clowns want to ban it, the more I want to use it. After all, it may mean that they don't have a way of unconstitutionally tapping into it like they've done with so many other services on the internet.
  • What is TikTok doing, exactly, that is against the laws of the United States? It seems to be doing information mining -- which is legal, though perhaps reprehensible, and it seems it is funneling this NON-classified information to an external government entity. Yes it can sound alarming -- but how is it different from other apps collecting info? Is it the case it is the only app funneling its information to China? Is doing so illegal?

    What is illegal about this app that justifies US legal scrutiny? If t

  • get together and bring a massive balacklash agaisnt him?
    • How long before the tiktokers get together and bring a massive balacklash agaisnt him?

      Never? He's up for re-election in 2024 but Tiktokers will have forgotten his name by tomorrow afternoon, so he has nothing to worry about.

  • ... introduce legislation to ban it ...

    Translation: I'm pushing a bill that doesn't improve your control over anything, into law and now, you're saved. Remember that in 2 years.

  • I don't like the idea of the kids using tiktok. But I dislike facebook, etc. just as much. If it is bad enough, might have to ban.

  • The senator must be desperate. He used the ultimate argument:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

  • I definitely believe banning Tiktok is going to make America safer.

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