Theranos Founder Elizabeth Holmes Requests a New Trial (gizmodo.com) 96
Elizabeth Holmes -- the founder of blood testing startup Theranos and the poster child for misleading investors, media, and innocent people looking for medical care through a web of deceit -- wants a do-over. She is requesting a new trial, according to a document filed Tuesday in the Southern District Court of California. Gizmodo reports: The motion for a new trial, authored by Holmes' attorneys, hinges on "newly discovered evidence," specifically: the alleged testimony regrets of Adam Rosendorff. Rosendorff was a lab director at Theranos and later, testified as a key witness in the case against Holmes and her ex-boyfriend/partner in crime Ramesh "Sunny" Balwani. His original testimony lasted multiple days and emphasized the pressure that Theranos employees were under to demonstrate the faulty diagnostic technology worked, even when it didn't.
"I felt that it was a question on my integrity as a physician not to remain there and to continue to bolster results I essentially didn't have faith in," Rosendorff said while on the witness stand in 2021, according to CNBC. "I came to understand that management was not sincere in diverting resources to solve issues." Now, Holmes and her lawyers are claiming that Rosendorff left a voicemail and then showed up at Holmes' residence on August 8 in a desperate bid to communicate that he "felt he had done something wrong, apparently in connection with Ms. Holmes' trial." The motion, supposedly paraphrasing Rosendorff, says that the former Theranos employee stated, "the government made things seem worse than they were."
In the document, Holmes' legal team wrote, "Under any interpretation of his statements, the statements warrant a new trial under Rule 33. But, at a minimum, and to the extent the Court has any doubt about whether a new trial is required, the Court should order an evidentiary hearing and permit Ms. Holmes to subpoena Dr. Rosendorff to testify about his concerns." Holmes was found guilty in January on four of 11 charges defrauding the company's investors and patients. She was found not guilty on four counts.
In July, Balwani was found guilty of 12 counts of conspiracy and fraud against certain investors and patients.
"I felt that it was a question on my integrity as a physician not to remain there and to continue to bolster results I essentially didn't have faith in," Rosendorff said while on the witness stand in 2021, according to CNBC. "I came to understand that management was not sincere in diverting resources to solve issues." Now, Holmes and her lawyers are claiming that Rosendorff left a voicemail and then showed up at Holmes' residence on August 8 in a desperate bid to communicate that he "felt he had done something wrong, apparently in connection with Ms. Holmes' trial." The motion, supposedly paraphrasing Rosendorff, says that the former Theranos employee stated, "the government made things seem worse than they were."
In the document, Holmes' legal team wrote, "Under any interpretation of his statements, the statements warrant a new trial under Rule 33. But, at a minimum, and to the extent the Court has any doubt about whether a new trial is required, the Court should order an evidentiary hearing and permit Ms. Holmes to subpoena Dr. Rosendorff to testify about his concerns." Holmes was found guilty in January on four of 11 charges defrauding the company's investors and patients. She was found not guilty on four counts.
In July, Balwani was found guilty of 12 counts of conspiracy and fraud against certain investors and patients.
Of course she does! (Score:1, Offtopic)
and a Special Master to make sure the evidence wasn't planted too, right?
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Maybe Trump himself realize now
This is wishful thinking, just like when some people thought Trump would realize he didn't want to to be president and just exit out of the election race.
Trump is too one-eyed when it comes to his ego.
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So, which crime is Trump suspected to have committed yet?
Cunts like you were calling for Hillary to be locked up over an email server
Trump has done worse, taking government documents back home with him. Why? And why do you think THE GOVERNMENT is not allowed to recover those documents to investigate what they were and what was in them?
And WHY do you not consider the fact that he has those documents a crime, when you were so willing to call for Hilary to be jailed over an email server?
Why do you think you should be allowed to be a double-standards piece o
Republicunts (Score:1)
Whiny republicunts are triggered because he is guilty as hell, its time to lock him up. Hillary testified for hours and never took the fifth.
All they got is but her emails, and but Hunter, no evidence at all.
The orange cunt took the 5th 400 times, only the guilty do that.
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Your side is saying Trump shouldn't even be investigated AT ALL. Your side is saying Trump should be immune to all legal action. You dumb cunt.
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While I think they BOTH should be in prison, Trump supporters might be thinking "She got to get away with it, so he should be able to as well."
Many of us are of the opinion that once one attains high office then the law no longer appears to apply. I see much evidence of this, and invite anyone to prove me wrong.
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I will back you on that. In an ideal world BOTH would go to jail - because we know the average clerk someone where would if it turned out they had taken a classified document and for whatever reason without proper handling. I mean we have seen it happen in some very public trials going back to the late 90s and early 2000s.
The reality is though the FBI decided Hillary gets pass even though there is plenty of evidence that has been made public to convict for at least a handful of counts of mishandling classi
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The issue is overreach - FBI went in for documents, and left with clothing? They sent 2 dozen agents when 4 would have sufficed. Republicans push back on the manner of the raid.
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"The issue is overreach - FBI went in for documents, and left with clothing? They sent 2 dozen agents when 4 would have sufficed. Republicans push back on the manner of the raid."
Nonsense on all counts. Trump got incredibly deferential treatment from the FBI.
No other person would have gotten such leeway & for so long especially after it was clear he & his lawyers were lying.
Mar-a-lago is a big place so they needed the head count to expedite the search & to make sure no one tried to remove anythi
Re: Of course she does! (Score:2)
Team Trump HOSTED people from national archives to discuss the documents in Mar-A-Largo at Mar-A-Largo (where the documents were at the time of the visit - June) and even showed the federal archivists the room the documents were in, and instead of grabbing/demanding the return of the documents, they asked Team Trump to add another lock to the room.
What, in that exchange, points out the need for 2 dozen agents, guns drawn, seizing articles of clothing along with any document they came across?
Re: Of course she does! (Score:2)
Mar-A/Largo is a big place?
Did they search the hotel, the dining hall, the clubhouse, and the golf course? No, they searched his residence and a couple storage rooms. It wasn't nearly as expansive as you seem to want to make it.
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Mar-A/Largo is a big place?
Did they search the hotel, the dining hall, the clubhouse, and the golf course? No, they searched his residence and a couple storage rooms. It wasn't nearly as expansive as you seem to want to make it.
Based on the lies & obstruction they would have been justified in tearing the entire place to shreds.
The rightwingnuts would have no problem with that happening to Clinton or Obama if they'd taken any gov't docs.
But the restricted search would likely because the FBI has an informant. Trump is likely furious about that but that's the only reason the search was limited.
In any case, what is Trump's justification for having any of those docs? And why weren't they all returned when asked, why all the delayin
Re: Of course she does! (Score:1)
If Trump had those documents on an email server he used during his administration he could plausibly argue it was part of doing his job and he's a dumbass and a hypocrite, and I'd be forced to believe that.
But why did he have them, and not turn everything over when requested? The FBI has every reason to investigate his motives. Trump so far has offered nothing plausible, going so far as to deny he had them or they were planted. Kind of hard to do when the FBI can prove you physically handled them, cover
Re:Of course she does! (Score:4, Informative)
Hillary's e-mail server was where? - Right in here home!
And she was Secretary of State at the time. Not a civilian. At worst this is mishandling sensitive information, which is very different than, you know, stealing documents and taking them home with you after you are no longer a government employee.
That standard is if you are former or current important statesperson possession and mishandling of classified documents is "perfectly alright!"
lol, gotta love all the work the or is doing. There is quite a big difference between former and current with regards to handling classified documents.
Your side and lets be honest that is the state of American politics now its "us or them winner take all" already set the standard.
Are you implying Clinton was the first official to use a private email server for handling classified documents? You know who else used a private email server to send and receive classified information. Pretty much every Secretary of State in the Internet era prior to Clinton [theguardian.com] (including the previous two Republicans in case you missed that).
A double standard is demanding Trump be prosecuted when Hillary wasn't.
There were many, many investigations into what Clinton did. This wasn't covered up by some liberal Democratic administration. Maybe you forgot, but Comey was a Republican and there were 4 years where Trump had control of virtually every aspect of the government. If there was evidence Clinton committed a crime I'm sure they would have found a way to prosecute. On the other hand you seem to be implying Trump shouldn't even be investigate, because you know, Clinton, Benghazi, Chewbacca, Squirrel.
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Hillary conducted 100% of her state department communications on a private e-mail server - she literally never logged into her state department email account, NEVER.
Then, she retained sole custody of 100% of her official emails for two years, then deleted 30,000 of those emails, claiming that she and her lawyer decided they were personal.
For her entire tenure at state department and two years after she left office, the govt had no access to any of her emails.
Comey let her off saying, in part, it wasn't inte
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Oh, and for good measure, Hillary wiped the server hard drives before returning her work emails, you know, to keep her 30,000 granddaughter pictures private...
Re: Of course she does! (Score:2)
Put them both in jail.
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The president CANNOT declassify anything without telling someone specifically which document is to be declassified, so that the documents can be marked as declassified. He CANNOT just wave his hand and declare it declassified. Even if such a mythical power existed, he STILL needs to prove he did that before he left office.
However the classified documents is a side issue - the initial legal issue is that he has over a hundred thousand unclassified documents that do not belong to him and that by law had to
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Way to make this discussion about Elizabeth Holmes somehow about Donald Trump.
It's like a mind virus has infected you people. TDS is real.
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Why are you saying this not to the person who brought up the Trumpmeister
I'm going to guess it has something to do with different comments aligning different ways with pre-conceived worldviews.
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However the classified documents is a side issue - the initial legal issue is that he has over a hundred thousand unclassified documents that do not belong to him and that by law had to be turned over to the National Archives. The big SNAFU is that by not turning them over, and having lawyers lie and claim in writing that everything has been turned over, there's the major crime of criminal obstruction - the same thing that Nixon resigned over; The classified stuff is just a side show that made the DOJ and Intelligence communities more intent to speed up the process and get those docs back.
At first he was like I took no classified materials! and then later the FBI posts a picture and he complains Look at the FBI making a mess of all my classified docs! So days later he admits they were his. 5d level chess indeed.
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The FBI picture of documents reminds me of the prisoner photos from Abu Grahb prison.
Re:Of course she does! (Score:4, Informative)
5D level chess! Or stupidity. We may never know which it is. Because sufficiently advanced technology resembles magic to those who don't understand it, in the same way that sufficiently advanced idiocy resembles 5D chess.
We've also left the bronzing age to enter the irony age. Go back 6 years and hear Trump's campaign speeches. "In my administration, I’m going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be above the law." Less than a month into office, Trump signed a bill that strengthened the penalties for mishandling of classified documents. He wanted to lock up Hillary, but the difference was that when pointed out that she coudln't keep that stuff at home she turned over the materials, and no classified docs were actually found after investigation. Likely, if Trump had turned over all the documents when asked, and he was asked several times, nothing more would have come of it. Instead evidence showed up that not all was returned, plus the National Archives raised a warning when they found classified docs in with the unclassified ones, and it's now a DOJ investigation about obstruction of justice. Oops. Getting out of this with 5D chess is going to involve throwing the board into the air.
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5D level chess! Or stupidity. We may never know which it is.
Deep in our hearts and minds, we already know which one it is.
Getting out of this with 5D chess is going to involve throwing the board into the air.
I don't care HOW he quits. The important part for us all is THAT he quits.
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"Unlike an ordinary citizen, a USA president has to power to de-classify anything he wants"
Not in the magic wand kind of bullshit way he & the GOP are asserting.
He can NOT "declassify" a document for his sole purpose & remove it from the government.
Declassification MEANS it becomes declassified AND accessible for ALL Americans and is STAMPED on EVERY page.
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A sitting President can not be charged with leaking classified documents - key word is sitting.
The classification argument is a smokescreen to make the overdue library book case seem more serious, and the "selling nuclear secrets" claim is nothing more than a TDS fever dream.
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A sitting President can not be charged with leaking classified documents - key word is sitting.
The classification argument is a smokescreen to make the overdue library book case seem more serious, and the "selling nuclear secrets" claim is nothing more than a TDS fever dream.
I hope you didn't hurt yourself slinging that load of bullshit. Even assuming the documents were all & only taken before Trump left office he had a duty to return them and had been asked to do so on multiple occasions. The fact that he did not turn over each & every immediately or at least upon being asked the very 1st time negates any excuse you'd care to feverishly dream up.
And that's not even addressing the ever changing litany of lies & excuses he's been spewing.
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The issue is possession, and the crimes he's charged with require intent. The question is, who packed the boxes?
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"The question is, who packed the boxes?"
Probably a Mexican.
yes and no (Score:5, Insightful)
On one hand it's irritating to always see criminals try "every trick in the book" to escape justice. It seems like an abuse of the justice system.
But on the other hand, these "safeties" exist for a reason and I'd be extremely thankful for them in the event I ever needed to use one.
It's one of those "I completely disagree with what you're saying, but I will fight for your right to say it" commends often made in cases of freedom of speech.
We can only hope that one day, eventually, justice is served.
Re:yes and no (Score:5, Insightful)
What's irritating is that the wealthy have access to a bigger book of tricks than the poor.
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well, the wealthy also have better cars, homes, clothes, food, vacations than the poor as well, that is the reason to get wealthy - to be able to afford more.
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Re: yes and no (Score:1)
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Why? The job of the Board of Directors [wikipedia.org] of a company isn't to direct the day-to-day operations of the company, it's to decide long-term policy and to approve or reject major projects, and in doing so, they expect to be advised by lower-level employees that are considered experts in the appropriate fields. They're not expected to be experts in any of the needed specialties, let al
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"Honesty is a very expensive gift, Don't expect it from the cheap" --Warren Buffett (b. 1930)
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Thats the prosecutions entire job, to make their case as strongly as possible without fabrication.
Its the defences job to shoot down the prosecutions assertions - why didn't they do that during the trial? Why didn't they ask Rosendorff "is the prosecution overstating the seriousness of the situation?"
So long as Rosendorff did not lie under oath, there should be no case here to answer. And it doesn't seem that he is saying he lied under oath, it seems
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Thats the prosecutions entire job, to make their case as strongly as possible without fabrication.
But we're watching the FBI 'leak' staged photos of purported evidence to bolster their case outside the courtroom. The photo of documents splayed across a table was staged, created to sway public opinion, not capture what agents saw at Mar-A-Largo.
Creating & leaking staged photos brushes right up against "fabrication" in most people's minds.
She screwed over the 1% (Score:5, Insightful)
One of the most critical things the people at the top have to do is keep us from realizing how incredibly stupid and incompetent they are. They didn't get where they are through intelligence it was a combination of ruthlessness, dumb luck and well to do parents. If the average person ever realizes that there's nothing special about the 1% and the prosperity Gospel is a lie it's going to be the single greatest leap Forward in human civilization since the invention of the wheel and fire
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Americans could do with a health dose of class-consciousness.
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yeah, well, we europeans could too. not to mention the rest of the world.
we the populace, all over the world, if we aren't wielding torches and pitchforks it means we bought all the lies and accepted all the perks that come with them, and are fine with all of it. simple. it's an equilibrium but a quite solid one, hard to tip over, because the perks tend to be actually good and the lies are too: eg, back to americans, the polarization between reps and dems is just another lie in itself, the elite doesn't giv
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His point is entirely on-topic, he's just looking at the big picture.
Americans could do with a health dose of class-consciousness.
Hey dipshit, why don't you take your crusade to Hungary first.
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Then there are occasions like this, where someone is clearly disagreeing with me, but had the entire debate in their head before posting and wound up being completely unintelligible as a result.
I haven't been to Hungary for (wow) more than 30 years. I didn't crusade there, because that would be rude, and I left my trebuchet in my other jacket anyway.
They use a lot of paprika in their cooking, if that helps.
Anyway, thanks
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Trump used the word "university" in the name of his real estate investment course, and the government sued him because it wasn't a degree-granting institution? No one thought it was, no one claimed it was, but "orange man bad"...
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We can only hope that one day, eventually, justice is served.
The purpose of a trial is often determine which one has the better lawyer. And to the surprise of no one, that usually means the side with more money.
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Holmes has more money than the Feds?
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Re: yes and no (Score:2)
The government has infinite resources, prosecutors may be paid less than Holmes' attorneys, but the government can literally hire an army of prosecutors...
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The average person will not be able to afford these "safeties".
Unless you got a pile of money to pay for decent lawyers, you will not be getting all these being done.
Better Caul Saul! (Score:2)
Where is he when you need him?
Can an imprisoned lawyer represent a client?
Why does she want a new trial? (Score:2)
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She learned something from the other crooks that we call politicians. Call votes 'til the outcome is what you want because eventually the other side wears down.
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spoiled rich kid (Score:2)
Don't worry Dear, Daddy will hire a better lawyer and we'll do it over again.
Re:spoiled rich kid (Score:5, Funny)
"Can't you just buy me a better justice system? This one sucks!"
She needs a new trial... (Score:1)
...so that she has time to take better acting classes? It wasn't enough being an attractive, blonde woman who is also a new mother.
That cynicism out of the way, I do wonder about one thing: It is not normal for CxOs to actually go to jail for their crimes. Most get off with a slap on the wrist, if even that. Why is she being singled out for actual justice?
This is a weird one (Score:5, Interesting)
Well, this is a weird one, because Holmes hasn't even been sentenced yet. According to Wikipedia sentencing is scheduled for October 2022 [wikipedia.org]. The trial so far has only determined whether the jury has considered her guilty or not, not how much she should be punished. They did find her guilty (beyond a reasonable doubt) on some of the charges, but not guilty on some others. (And on some of them a mistrial was declared because the jury didn't reach a verdict, and the government declined to retry those charges.)
If Rosendorff did indeed show up at Holmes's house claiming that the government made things seem worse than they were, I'm not really sure how to take this. I can see two scenarios: one where Rosendorff himself was much more culpable in the entire matter than previously assumed, and he's now feeling guilty that Holmes (and Balwani) are on the receiving end of the justice system, but not him. The other scenario is that after the jury verdict came in, the maximum prison sentence (which Holmes is unlikely to get) was covered by the media, and he feels guilty by participating in the trial for that reason, because he doesn't think she deserves to go to prison (or at the very least not for that long).
In any case, I'd be very surprised if the judge grants the motion for a new trial, because on the face of it I would interpret the sentence the government made things seem worse than they were as pertaining to the degree of culpability, not on the question of culpability in general. However, since sentencing hasn't happened yet, I think it would be reasonable for the court to delay sentencing a bit, and to go back to Rosendorff to ask him what he meant by those statements. I'm not a lawyer, and I don't know if there are any procedural issues that would prohibit this, but I do think this would be the right thing to do. Then the court can make a decision, depending on the response of Rosendorff, possibly letting that influence the sentence.
And if there really was a bombshell in the new testimony of Rosendorff (something like "I completely lied" because $reasons), then the court could still decide for a new trial at that point. I find that outcome extremely implausible though, I highly doubt that anything Rosendorff has to say would overturn the existing guilty verdicts.
I can't fault Holmes's lawyers though - it's their job to zealously advocate for their client, and a new trial is a possible remedy when new evidence comes to light (that the defense couldn't have known during the trial), so of course they're going to ask for one, if only to make their alternative requests seem more reasonable. (Of course both the prosecution and the judge will know how that as well.)
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The time to address exactly what was meant by those statements was during the dispositions and trial where the statements in they way they were made were established as fact. Not having done so during the trial meant that either the lawyers weren't doing their job or some external factor has caused Rosendorff to have a change of heart since the verdict and wanting to change the actual statements. I would suspect some kind of payment was made or some other incentive/pressure put on him which really is bord
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Not having done so during the trial meant that either the lawyers weren't doing their job or some external factor has caused Rosendorff to have a change of heart since the verdict and wanting to change the actual statements. [...]
I don't think that the following scenario is completely implausible: Rosendorff lies during the trial to make himself look better (and the defense did ask him about that but he simple didn't tell the truth), but now reads in the media that Holmes could face up to 20 years in prison, and is now racked with guilt, so he shows up at Holmes's home and says what is claimed here.
I'm not saying that's what happened, and I'm not saying that this is even the most likely explanation (I think it's not by a long shot)
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An evidentiary hearing seems appropriate, don't blow up the case, but explore a reasonable claim by a key witness.
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It doesn't really matter anyway, his legal analysis about the implications of his testimony isn't "new evidence."
The bombshell I guess is that her lawyers are so desperate to find something to file they filed... this. The judge will likely scold them for presenting this as evidence.
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" I think it would be reasonable for the court to delay sentencing a bit, and to go back to Rosendorff to ask him what he meant by those statements. I'm not a lawyer, and I don't know if there are any procedural issues that would prohibit this"
The procedural issue is THE TRIAL IS OVER.
This issue, if it needs to be resolved, is HAVE A NEW TRIAL.
Oh bullshit (Score:2)
If he left a voicemail and showed up at her place, why is it we're only hearing about it now? The idea that this new evidence miraculously appears AFTER she's been convicted, as well as her ex-boyfriend, and now she's staring down the barrel of a sentencing trial, seems just a little too convenient. So, it seems either the defense was sitting on evidence that may exonerate Holmes, or this is just some bullshit last ditch attempt to stall.
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Because he only came to see her on August 8th this year. i.e. about a month ago.
Re:Oh bullshit (Score:4, Informative)
It is not really new evidence its a change to the way the defence want existing evidence interpreted by the jury after they already came to a lawful verdict. If that was the way Rosendorff actually felt then the defence lawyers should have established that during disposition or trial. The fact it happened AFTER the trial either means incompetence by the lawyers or Rosendorff has somehow been influenced after the trial. The whole point of the trial is to establish facts and the fact is that those statements were made under oath and then accepted as fact during the trial. Trying to argue that the emphasis of the accepted factual statement was wrong isn't new evidence and isn't grounds for a retrial.
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Objection, the prosecutor made our client look bad.
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Thanks for pointing out the autofill/autocorrect error I missed.
A trial by single combat? (Score:2)