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Deadlocked FCC Could Derail Biden's Digital Equity Plans (axios.com) 155

The Biden administration has charged the Federal Communications Commission with prohibiting digital discrimination -- but without a third Democratic commissioner to break the agency's partisan deadlock, those plans are in trouble. From a report: One of President Biden's key domestic priorities, improving internet access and affordability, can't advance unless the Senate confirms his FCC nominee. The Federal Communications Commission has been deadlocked at 2 Democrats and 2 Republicans since Biden took office, and his nominee for the third seat, Gigi Sohn, has been awaiting a Senate vote for months amid Republican opposition. The agency is required by the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act to craft rules preventing digital discrimination on broadband access.

The rules would prohibit internet service providers such as Comcast or Verizon from deployment discrimination based on the income level or predominant race or ethnicity of the people living in an area. A 2020 study of internet access in Oakland, Calif., found that areas that were redlined by banks in the past -- denied loans or investment -- now have less ISP competition and fiber-based services than their wealthier counterparts. FCC Chairwoman Jessica Rosenworcel launched an inquiry in March, with support from the agency's Republicans, on how to create rules preventing digital discrimination and facilitating equal access to high-speed internet. A major question is how the agency will interpret a part of the law that says the rules should take into account issues of "technical and economic feasibility."

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Deadlocked FCC Could Derail Biden's Digital Equity Plans

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  • Is make cell providers get back the same coverage that they had before shutting down 3G, so rural areas have an option to get internet and cell service.

    • by omnichad ( 1198475 ) on Thursday May 19, 2022 @11:18AM (#62549500) Homepage

      The whole point of shutting down 3G was to reclaim the spectrum for 5G. That increases the bandwidth of the towers overall. So far only AT&T has shut down 3G. Everyone else has delayed it a bit.

      But then they have to swap out equipment. I don't know what kind of progress they are making but they are likely to be slower than the other major carriers whose own 3G shutdowns are coming soon.

      • by PPH ( 736903 )

        The whole point of shutting down 3G was to reclaim the spectrum for 5G.

        Not really. The 3G bands are too low frequency to support high bandwidth 5G. And they are not contiguous (I believe a requirement of 5G modulation schemes). What is happening is the telecoms are buying up public service bands and offering police, fire and utilities some nice high bandwidth (and cost) 5G service in exchange. Which can be throttled [nbcnews.com] should your local rural fire department not stay within their allocation.

        • Not all 5G is related to high bandwidth. More efficient use of existing spectrum is still part of it. AT&T is using its 850MHz allocation from 3G for low-band 5G. T-Mobile bought 600MHz TV spectrum specifically for low-band, long distance 5G.

          The crazy high speeds of mmWave means nothing to rural users. Nobody lives close enough to a tower for the tower to even adopt it.

      • Verizon has shut down 3G. Verizon sold the spectrum, you can no longer make calls from your basement. There are many companies that had modems that no longer work for M2M devices. In the area I live in I can no longer make calls even on the freeway without verizon dropping or from my basement. The solution verizon gave to me was to turn on wifi calling. Why would I need a cellular provider if I'm going to use wifi? Verizon will never have the same range as they did, because they don't have the spectrum anym

        • T-Mobile. I really think they're going to take over on rural cellular with their investment in 3 bands of 5G.

          • I know there is no reason for me to be a verizon customer anymore. The problem is verizon has the towers, t mobile does not.

    • Is make cell providers get back the same coverage that they had before shutting down 3G, so rural areas have an option to get internet and cell service.

      Well, sadly, if you are rural, you are pretty much not the demographic the Democrats are looking to get votes from...so...yeah.

      • Nonsense, Democrats would love to get votes from people in rural areas. That doesn't happen as often as they'd like, but that's neither here nor there. The Democrat-led bill that the summary is talking about earmarked funds specifically for improving internet access in rural areas.
      • Carriers are handing out 5G devices to customers that previously had 3G-only devices.

        This is a non-issue.

        • It's an issue for me, I have to be able to receive texts at work for 2FA. I tried to buy a new iPhone which doesn't work on the 3G around here and had to return it and go back to my iPhone 7+.

  • A key feature of capitalism is that companies with limited resources are going to use those resources in the areas likely to bring the biggest returns, and areas which wouldn't be profitable are simply not serviced at all. Spending huge amounts of money building infrastructure thats going to generate little or no profit simply isn't compatible with the business model and would make the shareholders very unhappy.

    • by jacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) on Thursday May 19, 2022 @11:17AM (#62549498)

      Which is why internet access should be municipalized and/or highly regulated like we do with other utilities. Would we accept the same thing with water, sewage or electricity? Communication is a vital service for the country to have for economic and security reasons.

      • That would be nice of one political party wasn't dead set against it.

        https://arstechnica.com/tech-p... [arstechnica.com]

        • by schwit1 ( 797399 )

          That would be nice if government could demonstrate it wasn't corrupt or incompetent
          https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne... [dailymail.co.uk]
          https://reason.com/2022/05/12/... [reason.com]

        • by Zak3056 ( 69287 ) on Thursday May 19, 2022 @12:35PM (#62549876) Journal

          Here in Republican dominated Tennessee, more and more of our power co-ops are offering 10Gbe over fiber owned by the rate payers. I don't believe the issue is as one sided as you're portraying it.

          • by RamenMan ( 7301402 ) on Thursday May 19, 2022 @01:30PM (#62550054)

            And here in Democrat run California, homeless people steal from stores and nobody stops them. So we have our own public policy victories!

            • by skam240 ( 789197 ) on Thursday May 19, 2022 @02:46PM (#62550330)

              And here in Democrat run California, homeless people steal from stores and nobody stops them. So we have our own public policy victories!

              I do IT for a small string of grocery stores in California and I can assure you this nonsense is most certainly not true. We turn shop lifters over to our local police all the damn time. I get amusing stories regularly about this chit-chatting with our store security and I sometimes even get to see these people literally lead from our stores to the cop car to be brought down to the station.

              I have to add that this myth is so absurd I really don't think much of those who believe and/or propagate it. You're either so far down the rabbit hole of partisanship that you'll believe anything or you're so dishonest that you'll say anything to demonize the "other". Either way you need to get your shit together.

              • Um, it's not a myth. Your stores are clearly not in San Francisco. You can see pretty much endless youtube videos of people shoplifting, some even bringing trash bags to take stuff out of stores. I always love the "I know that's a lie because in my specific instance it isn't true". We're not talking about your stores.

                • by skam240 ( 789197 ) on Thursday May 19, 2022 @04:24PM (#62550570)

                  I always love the "I know that's a lie because in my specific instance it isn't true". We're not talking about your stores.

                  That's funny because I always love people who talk out their ass like they know something. Or how about "I always love people who go "Duh, I saw it on Youtube so it must be true"" as if it's not possible for anyone to upload almost anything to that service. I bet you were disappointed when those Tide pods didnt go down so well a few years back.

                  The above poster very clearly stated California, not the incredibly small subset of California that is SF https://www.pinterest.com/pin/... [pinterest.com] . If one is discussing a problem specific to Dallas one does not claim the problem exists in Texas as a whole, that would be a massive exaggeration at best.. So because they were describing the problem as a problem with California all I had to do to disprove their claim was show that it wasnt true somewhere in the state and my individual experience works quite well in that capacity. We hand shoplifters over to the cops all the damn time.

                  As for this SF specific stuff, please show me what SF specific laws you're talking about because as far as I know the law of the land is as follows:
                  https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/d... [shouselaw.com]

                  Committing a retail theft crime is a misdemeanor. This is opposed to a felony or an infraction.

                  The offense is punishable by:

                  custody in county jail for up to six months, and/or
                  a maximum fine of $1,000.
                  A judge can award misdemeanor (or summary) probation in lieu of jail time.

                  Maybe they have something specific to their city going on but I havent heard of it nor can I find mention of it in my first few Google search results.

              • by Zak3056 ( 69287 )

                I have to add that this myth is so absurd I really don't think much of those who believe and/or propagate it. You're either so far down the rabbit hole of partisanship that you'll believe anything or you're so dishonest that you'll say anything to demonize the "other". Either way you need to get your shit together.

                Walgreens says otherwise [archive.ph]. I'll agree that this may, in fact, be untrue and that Walgreens is lying (the SF Chronicle claims that they are), but it does not make one a partisan hack for repeating the claim that "retail theft in San Francisco was five times the chain average and security costs were 46 times the chain average" when said claim comes from the retailer in question and is not some political talking point made up out of whole cloth.

                • by skam240 ( 789197 )

                  Well if it's true it would be completely contrary to my own extensive experience. Furthermore it would be untrue based on what I've been able to find online on the subject after I got passed all the right wing alarmism.

                  https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/d... [shouselaw.com]

                  Committing a retail theft crime is a misdemeanor. This is opposed to a felony or an infraction.

                  The offense is punishable by:

                  custody in county jail for up to six months, and/or
                  a maximum fine of $1,000.
                  A judge can award misdemeanor (or summary) probation in lieu of jail time.

                  Fact is, despite its large contribution to our national prosperity California is an incredibly popular punching bag for our country's right wing. The number of outright lies and gross exaggerations I've heard over the years that are easily refuted just by wal

                • by skam240 ( 789197 )

                  Oops, by "Well if it's true it would be completely contrary to my own extensive experience." I was referring to the shoplifting is legal in California claim. We do in fact have a homeless problem in very large portions of this state being driven by crazy real estate and rental costs which is bound to fuel crime like shoplifting.

          • I imagine it has to everything to do with TN's socialized power grid known as the TVA.

            • by Zak3056 ( 69287 )

              I'd agree that is almost certainly why we have power cooperatives. That is not, however, how or why those cooperatives are building out fiber networks--the networks have nothing at all to do with TVA.

          • Wonder why that is?

            The Republican bill also makes an exception for the Tennessee Valley Authority, which operates a fiber network but doesn't have carveouts for any other specific entities.

            • by Zak3056 ( 69287 )

              The network you are referring to is a backbone network and not consumer facing. IOW, has nothing to do with the "last mile" we are discussing.

      • by Hodr ( 219920 )

        We do accept the same with water and sewage. Most rural places have to use a well and septic, not municipal services. Electricity, Mail, and POTs are the only examples that really fit your description.

      • Which is why internet access should be municipalized and/or highly regulated like we do with other utilities.

        ISPs are unregulated? Are you serious?

        Would we accept the same thing with water, sewage or electricity?

        Flint Michigan's water system was regulated, run by the local municipality, how did that turn out?

        Communication is a vital service for the country to have for economic and security reasons.

        High-speed internet is NOT a 'vital service', some people can't imagine living without it, but it is not vital. Fresh water is vital, the hygiene provided by an efficient sewer system is vital, municipal electricity is almost vital (solar cells on household roofs are the perfectly viable alternative).

        TV, radio

    • by ShooterNeo ( 555040 ) on Thursday May 19, 2022 @11:31AM (#62549606)

      The USA decided a century ago not to do that for electricity or running water or mail. Everyone gets service even though this clearly means some areas are too remote for connecting them to be profitable.

      Internet is another important utility.

      • With the advent of better solutions such as solar installations, heat pumps, and better batteries we should reevaluate that. It's stupid for states like California to need to route power to remote areas when it creates such a large expense and potential for fire risk. Mandating everyone need to be on the grid is ridiculous at a certain point.
        • It's stupid for states like California to need to route power to remote areas when it creates such a large expense and potential for fire risk.

          California is pretty tiny in the grand scheme of things. Power is routed far further away in far poorer areas without burning down half the state.

          Rather than talk about "potential fire risk" how about talking about PG&E not doing basic maintenance while returning shareholders huge profits. I mean we don't ask for much, just maybe do inspections more often than once every 100 years.

      • If you live in a remote area, you are required to self-fund running sewer, water, telephone, cable TV/Internet and electricity to your location.

        The communities under discussion HAVE service (they lack competition, just like most other communities), and they lack access to some offerings available in other (wealthier communities). Somehow, the FCC will fix this - my question is how?

  • Meanwhile, you'll be able to get Starlink in remote areas soon, for a reasonable price covering most of the US.
    It may not be 1Gbps or better speeds but it can at least allow people who live in remote or underserved areas better access to the Internet.

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Thursday May 19, 2022 @11:22AM (#62549530)
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    • On one hand, I think that government involvement in the free enterprise system should be avoided where reasonable.

      They aren't involving themselves in the free enterprise. They are involving themselves in enterprises originally funded by governments. You can't have a government build something, hand it over to a private company and then expect the "free market" to actually function.

      Mind you people don't want a free market. They want a perfect market, that is something very different and very much requires government regulations.

      ISP's can't be blamed for investing their resources where they expect to get the greatest return

      If ISP's were investing *their* resources they should be free to do with it what they want. T

  • by Turkinolith ( 7180598 ) on Thursday May 19, 2022 @11:24AM (#62549548)
    When your group isn't in power, stonewall all appointments till your group is in power. There should be some sort of rule that appointments must be done in a reasonable timeframe.
    • It's not just the stonewalling of appointments it's all the checks and balances you have built-in that make it impossible for the US government to function properly. It made a huge amount of sense back when everywhere was a monarchy of some description and the idea of a government without a monarch to keep it in check was a novel and untested idea that many were worried would lead to mob rule.

      However, as we now know that did not happen and the democratic governments we all enjoy outside the US function w
  • Anytime I see someone promoting diversity, I always think of Martin Luther King Junior and what he would think of adding more racial discrimination instead of less....

    Just gonna leave this here for all to ponder:

    I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.

    Martin Luther King, Jr.

    • by jacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) on Thursday May 19, 2022 @11:40AM (#62549660)

      Because we all know MLK descended from the heavens, made that one speech and then left for his home planet.

      “I am now convinced that the simplest approach will prove to be the most effective – the solution to poverty is to abolish it directly by a now widely discussed matter: the guaranteed income The curse of poverty has no justification in our age. It is socially as cruel and blind as the practice of cannibalism at the dawn of civilization, when men ate each other because they had not yet learned to take food from the soil or to consume the abundant animal life around them. The time has come for us to civilize ourselves by the total, direct and immediate abolition of poverty.”

      “You can’t talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can’t talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You’re really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry. Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong with capitalism.”

      “If America does not use her vast resources of wealth to end poverty and make it possible for all of God’s children to have the basic necessities of life, she too will go to hell.”

    • Just gonna leave this here for all to ponder:

      The greatest question to ponder is why right-wing nutjobs only ever believe and quote MLK to counter programs that address inequality built up on hundreds of years of systemic racism. It's quite a dichotomy to believe that the most important part of solving racism is to not help those we spent centuries kicking down.

      But hey, I got mine, fuck the poor minorities amirite?

      Maybe the best answer would be to roll back slavery laws, but rather than white people building empires on the backs of racial minorities, l

      • I suspect the problem is more that anybody who disagrees on any party of the current year Great Leap Forward is habitually branded sone flavour of far-right. Many of us actually believe in his message and had been living it for decades before racism was brought back new and improved.

      • The greatest question to ponder is why right-wing nutjobs only ever believe and quote MLK to counter programs that address inequality built up on hundreds of years of systemic racism.

        It's quite a dichotomy to believe that the most important part of solving racism is to not help those we spent centuries kicking down.

        But hey, I got mine, fuck the poor minorities amirite?

        Equality != Equity.

        Equality treats everyone the same regardless of tribal affiliation. With equality equal outcomes are not guaranteed nor expected. Some will have certain luck, talents and ethic and do well while others won't and may falter.

        Equity is playing favorites in a bid to normalize outcomes such as taking from the rich to give to the poor so that those with less luck, talents and ethic receive more than they would organically otherwise.

        Equality is a fairly universal concept that is widely subscri

      • Recent Nigerian immigrants have some of the highest levels of educational attainment and income in the US. Nobody here has spent centuries kicking them down, because they haven't been here for centuries, and they're not down on the ground.

        This is the fundamental problem with the worldview you're embracing... you want to judge people based on skin color instead of whether they themselves are in a position to need support. It's racism, plain and simple-- you're judging someone based on the color of their sk
  • by twocows ( 1216842 ) on Thursday May 19, 2022 @11:48AM (#62549678)
    The major ISPs are, obviously, profit-driven, so if they've avoided building out in those areas, it means they don't see a profit motive for building out there. The problem is that, as at least one other poster noted, some level of internet service is a basic necessity these days.

    I think to begin with, what the FCC needs to define (if they haven't already; I'll admit I'm ignorant on the subject) is what minimum level of service in 2022 meets the needs of people as far as being able to accomplish employment-related tasks, getting in touch with government services, and being able to stay in contact with family for things like emergencies.

    I can tell you it isn't dial-up; I had to use dial-up for a few months as recently as ten years ago and the modern internet is in many cases completely non-functional on it, with many websites and services often failing to load any content even when left to do so overnight. Mobile-friendly sites and addons to selectively load page elements were often helpful, but many people aren't going to know those exist or how to acquire and use them, and there were still sites that weren't usable even with those.

    Once the FCC establishes a definition for minimum level of basic service necessary to function in modern society, mandate that it be met. Provide incentives for compliance and (actually) harsh penalties for noncompliance. Make it unprofitable to fail to comply. I'm generally against an abundance of interference with free enterprise, but basic necessities are a huge and fairly obvious exception. It's one thing if Comcast doesn't build out gigabit to some area because it's not profitable; it's another entirely if they won't even provide the bare minimum needed to get by in the modern era.
    • because it would require more spending in unprofitable areas by the ISPs. And the ISPs are going to lobby to make sure the FCC stays deadlocked, and the voters will help them do that because, well, they vote for whoever has the best ads and rallies.

      This is what happens when we vote for entertainment value instead of policy.
    • by Rhipf ( 525263 )

      These days dial-up isn't even an option in most places. I would be surprised if there any local dial-up access in any of the areas the also don't have high speed Internet. Those areas could probably find a long distance dial-up portal but at that point the cost is definitely not worth the effort.

  • by dizzy8578 ( 106660 ) * on Thursday May 19, 2022 @02:48PM (#62550338)

    It was race based. I am in a former redline area. There has been fiber 2 to 4 blocks in every direction from me for 5 years. There are also no grocery stores, fast food or chain coffee shops. This is in the city where there are sometimes 2 Starbucks on the same block. (Seattle)
    20 years ago I had to manipulate the telco by ordering multiple fax lines to get them to replace the ancient 25 pair that fed 3 blocks so my former redline neighborhood could get DSL.

    This republican FCC strategy is still race based today.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

  • Taxpayers should NOT pay companies to install THEIR fiber. Instead, the fiber should be installed by a separate company, and then local government controls the local fiber, including contracting out service.

    if we tax payers are paying for it, let's own it and keep costs way low.

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