Gunman Livestreams Killing of 10 On Twitch - After Radicalization On 4chan (nbcnews.com) 481
Slashdot reader DevNull127 writes: 10 people were killed in a grocery store in Buffalo, New York this afternoon — and three more were injured — by a gunman who livestreamed the massacre on Twitch. "A Twitch spokesperson said the platform has investigated and confirmed that the stream was removed 'less than two minutes after the violence started,'" reports NBC News.
The Raw Story reports that the 18-year-old suspected gunman had also apparently posted a 106-page manifesto online prior to the attack. A researcher at George Washington University program on extremism studied the manifesto, and points out that the suspected shooter "states that he was radicalized online on 4chan and was inspired by Brenton Tarrant's manifesto and livestreamed mass shooting in New Zealand."
The suspect reportedly used an assault rifle.
Less than two weeks ago, Slashdot posted the following:
28-year-old Brenton Tarrant killed 51 people in New Zealand in 2019. The Associated Press reports that at that point he'd been reading 4chan for 14 years, according to his mother — since the age of 14.
The year before, 25-year-old Alek Minassian, who killed 11 people in Toronto in 2018, namechecked 4chan in a pre-attack Facebook post.
But the Guardian now adds another a story from nine days ago — when a 23-year-old shooter with 1,000 rounds of ammunition opened fire from his apartment in Washington D.C. "Just two minutes after the shooting began, someone under the username "Raymond Spencer" logged onto the normally-anonymous 4chan and started a new thread titled 'shool [sic] shooting'. The newly published message contained a link — to a 30-second video of images captured from the digital scope of Spencer's rifle...."
NBC News reported that while Saturday's suspected shooter was livestreaming, "Some users of the website 4chan discussed the attack, and at least one archived the video in real-time, releasing photos of dead civilians inside the supermarket over the course of Saturday afternoon."
The Raw Story reports that the 18-year-old suspected gunman had also apparently posted a 106-page manifesto online prior to the attack. A researcher at George Washington University program on extremism studied the manifesto, and points out that the suspected shooter "states that he was radicalized online on 4chan and was inspired by Brenton Tarrant's manifesto and livestreamed mass shooting in New Zealand."
The suspect reportedly used an assault rifle.
Less than two weeks ago, Slashdot posted the following:
28-year-old Brenton Tarrant killed 51 people in New Zealand in 2019. The Associated Press reports that at that point he'd been reading 4chan for 14 years, according to his mother — since the age of 14.
The year before, 25-year-old Alek Minassian, who killed 11 people in Toronto in 2018, namechecked 4chan in a pre-attack Facebook post.
But the Guardian now adds another a story from nine days ago — when a 23-year-old shooter with 1,000 rounds of ammunition opened fire from his apartment in Washington D.C. "Just two minutes after the shooting began, someone under the username "Raymond Spencer" logged onto the normally-anonymous 4chan and started a new thread titled 'shool [sic] shooting'. The newly published message contained a link — to a 30-second video of images captured from the digital scope of Spencer's rifle...."
NBC News reported that while Saturday's suspected shooter was livestreaming, "Some users of the website 4chan discussed the attack, and at least one archived the video in real-time, releasing photos of dead civilians inside the supermarket over the course of Saturday afternoon."
Twitch removed the stream, violating Texas Law (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Twitch removed the stream, violating Texas Law (Score:4, Insightful)
a) The law doesn't ban blocking things that have a viewpoint. It bans blocking things because of viewpoint. Under well-established First Amendment law, banning a video because it shows criminal acts is "content based", not "viewpoint based".
b) The question isn't what you claim, but whether a neutral observer -- in legal terms, the finder of fact in a trial -- would agree with your claim based on the evidence presented. A single counterexample would suggest an (understandable) error in the policy's implementation, not viewpoint based bias.
This is why the earlier commenter said to read the law, as opposed to imagining what it means.
4chan the issue? (Score:5, Interesting)
He self identifies as a white supremacist fascist with Neo-Nazi beliefs who is anti "high fertility immigrants" under the white replacement theory
Yeah, that shit runs rampant on 4chan, but this shit isn't new. I remember IRC rooms that would have people spouting this shit. It really seems that people want to hammer down on 4chan, but reality, if not there it would be somewhere else. The problem isn't 4chan, it's the lack of upbringing.
The Raw Story reports that the 18-year-old suspected gunman
Yeah, this shit didn't happen overnight. This is some kid who's parents didn't tell them that people on the Internet love to make shit up to get a rise out of you. Who didn't watch their time on the Internet.
28-year-old Brenton Tarrant killed 51 people in New Zealand in 2019. The Associated Press reports that at that point he'd been reading 4chan for 14 years, according to his mother — since the age of 14.
Oh look, there's a pattern here. More parents not watching their kids on the Internet, not teaching them basics about how you should take shit on the Internet with a grain of sand. This isn't a 4chan or even an Internet issue. This is a parents letting their kids do fuck all and wondering why they're so easily corruptible. This is a society issue of people just fucking checking out of life, having kids they don't want, and the two of those things put together.
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Likewise.
And the White Nationalist cadre was a joke. Use to post picks of white girls getting railed to get a rise out of them, and otherwise scoff at their conclusions. They were one of many voices there.
And honestly, if not White Nationalism, it would have been something else. There's a lot of unease out there. Mix that with hormones and adolescence and you have a potent mix to do dumb, violent things (ask the Khmer Rouge).
Re:4chan the issue? (Score:5, Interesting)
The Nazis saw 4chan as a gateway to their ideology. Lots of young, angry guys, easily influenced by memes and sophistic arguments. Frame it all as being awake to what is really happening (woke, you might say), not like all the other sheeple.
There are leaked emails from people like Steve Bannon and Milo Yiannopoulos where they discuss exactly how it works. If you were not pulled down the rabbit hole then consider yourself lucky.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/j... [forbes.com]
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The Nazis saw 4chan as a gateway to their ideology. Lots of young, angry guys, easily influenced by memes and sophistic arguments. Frame it all as being awake to what is really happening (woke, you might say), not like all the other sheeple.
After the Eternal September brought Internet access to the masses, it seems as the Eternal 4chan has brought widespread trolling and misinformation.
I'm still hopeful that some new development will bring us some kind of Eternal Wikipedia so that, even with its many flaws, the end result of people battling for dominance will be some kind of distilled and structured knowledge, instead of chaos and deception.
Re:4chan the issue? (Score:5, Interesting)
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Clearly a lack of proper parenting was involved.
having kids they don't want
Shit's about to get real regarding that, too.
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He self identifies as a white supremacist fascist with Neo-Nazi beliefs who is anti "high fertility immigrants" under the white replacement theory
That doesn't explain why he shot blacks. They have almost as low a fertility rate in the US as whites.
We had that Norwegian shooter some years back , who was on par with Bin Laden as an evil genius (though far less dangerous as he acted alone), and since then just copycat morons like the Christchurch nutter, and now the NY one.
I worry that these few nutjobs will distract public attention from the far bigger problem of handguns in America.
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That debate ended, died and was buried with the massacred kindergarteners at Sandy Hook.
Your best bet at avoiding gun violence in the US is to not own one and to minimize the time you spend in crowded areas. That's about it for the options available to the average citizen at this point. Pursuing any kind of effective reduction in gun access will continue to miserably fail.
Somehow, 'gun rights' became attached at the
Re:4chan the issue? (Score:5, Insightful)
I remember IRC rooms that would have people spouting this shit.
You remember a past where the geekiest of geeks downloaded an IRC client and sought out specific chat rooms.
The present is a world where Qanon conspiracy bullshit is plastered on every news site which everyone knows about, and every weak minded moron can just type www.4chan.org into a browser.
There's a massive difference in scale.
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It wasn't just 4chan. The Great Replacement conspiracy theory (the idea that immigrants are going to replace white people by out-breeding them in Europe and the US) was been promoted by many right wing commentators. Famously Lauren Southern made a video about it on YouTube, which was set to private after the Christchurch terrorist cited it in his manifesto.
It's an example of stochastic terrorism. No one individual can be said to have radicalized this guy, and there is no suggestion that they cooperated or p
Re:4chan the issue? (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah, that shit runs rampant on 4chan, but this shit isn't new.
Tucker Carlson basically spews this shit every night on Fox News, and nobody seems to care.
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If 4chan were to go away, would anything of value to humanity really be lost?
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Re:4chan the issue? (Score:5, Funny)
misogamy
Marrying fermented soybean paste?
Forget 4chan (Score:5, Interesting)
It's called "Great Replacement" theory, and it's all over, with a ton of people working full time to mainstream it. They're not even dog whistling anymore, so it's no surprise we've got stochastic terrorists acting on it now.
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Here's a thread on replacement theory history if interested
https://twitter.com/MsEntropy/... [twitter.com]
Re:Forget 4chan (Score:5, Insightful)
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As documented in a study of 7,305 protests.
https://www.radcliffe.harvard.... [harvard.edu]
Re:Forget 4chan (Score:5, Insightful)
Its the worring thing for me. Traditionally far right extremists tended to be split between Neo-Nazis (think nazi skinheads and uniform loving heil-hitler type meatheads) and Nativists (think KKK, David Duke, etc), but we're seeing a new form that eschews the nazi and klansman trappings and claims itself to just be "conservatives" , as if Reagan would have ever put up with these clowns. Now this isn't to say conservatives in general agree, but malicious actors, some at the state and media level, have been quite intentionally blurring the boundaries hoping to smuggle some of the far rights more extreme ideas into the mainstream conversation and this should be alarming to everyone because frankly its kind of working.
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Reagan is a leftist compared to the modern day party. Imagine a republican today saying he wants amnesty for people in the country illegally. Reagan said that in 1984. See my signature for another great point.
What would the headlines be if BLM did an open carry protest in Texas?
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Google Mulford is a weird name.
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Reagan is a leftist compared to the modern day party. Imagine a republican today saying he wants amnesty for people in the country illegally. Reagan said that in 1984. See my signature for another great point.
Reagan wanted Republicans to have good odds of winning Florida in the future, and converting illegal Cuban immigrants to citizens was the easiest way to do so.
Honestly Reagan didn't mind them at all (Score:2)
OTOH Reagan didn't actively promote the white supremacists the way the modern GOP does. They were useful for organization, but it was all dog whistles, and they weren't allowed on national TV, let alone prime time slots like Tucker Carlson...
Re:Forget 4chan (Score:5, Informative)
[...] but we're seeing a new form that eschews the nazi and klansman trappings and claims itself to just be "conservatives" , as if Reagan would have ever put up with these clowns. Now this isn't to say conservatives in general agree,[...]
Wouldn't he?
It's because of Regan that these clowns are tolerated.
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The vast majority of mass shooters have an ideology than can only honestly be described as incoherent. But everyone tries to tar their political opposition with blame if they can possibly justify it, and ignore it as much as possible if they can't.
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Whataboutism.
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Well, to steel-man their position, there's a subtle difference between *impersonal* mass shootings, and *personal* mass shootings.
An "impersonal" mass shooting, where the attacker has no relationship to the target, makes everyone feel at risk. Even if you don't hang out with stupid people, in stupid places, doing stupid things, you could be next. It's a super tiny fractional risk, but it applies to more people, and raises their hackles.
A "personal" mass shooting, where the attacker and the target have som
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Except that of course, they're not doing any such thing. But I'm sure you believe it anyway.
Re:Forget 4chan (Score:5, Informative)
Because your asshole party is going to ban it.
In Arkansas and Louisiana, some Republican lawmakers announced their support for bills that would effectively result in immediate bans on certain emergency contraception, including copper intrauterine devices (IUDs) or Plan B, the so-called morning after pill, if the Supreme Court indeed overturns Roe. In Idaho and Michigan, conservative lawmakers and candidates expressed interest in proposals that would directly restrict access to emergency contraceptives.
https://time.com/6175213/birth... [time.com]
Re:Forget 4chan (Score:4, Insightful)
That's what Republicans believe, because that's who they vote for.
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Re:Forget 4chan (Score:4, Insightful)
If you were raped why wouldn't you get the morning after pill?
So ... blame the victim? If she was in a short skirt she should be denied the morning after pill?
Re:Forget 4chan (Score:5, Informative)
Bullshit it's giving up power.
The religious whackadoodles have been wanting the power to ban abortion for years. If you think this is about giving up power, you have your head so far up your arse that I'm surprised you can see the keyboard well enough to type.
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How DARE people I don't like have opinions I disagree with? How DARE they have any power at all?
The majority of the people agree abortion should stay legal.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/a... [forbes.com]
Incel is "involuntary celebate" (Score:2)
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Incels can't find a girlfriend because they've convinced themselves finding a girlfriend is about being rich and/or looking like a celebrity. Then they start talking with a bunch of other incels for some confirmation bias. It's the perfect storm for a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I'm not sure what the heck has gone wrong with today's youth*, but in my day kids in high school were hooking up. Nobody had real jobs or "wife supporting income" levels at that age. I know this, because girls were more than happy
Re:Incel is "involuntary celebate" (Score:4, Informative)
If you're a toxic slime ball who think that women owe you something... and let yourself get taken in by an echo chamber of other toxic slime balls, there's a good chance that women, now being allowed to vote and own property, aren't going to fucking tolerate your ass.
Society let these people down? Parents let these people down.
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Found the incel.
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if Great Replacement theory is remotely correct, wouldn't the pertinent thing to do be to go forth and multiply?
Or just get over it? If our hominid ancestors had the same concept of racial purity, there'd be no humans today. There'd only be whatever weird ape thing we would've evolved from, still hanging out in trees, eating bugs, and thinking to itself how great it is that it didn't let any of its mutated offspring to breed.
Actually, there'd also be none of the problems on the planet that humans have caused, so maybe that's not the best analogy.
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Well, we allow discourse that essentializes race to stay inside the Overton window. I'm honestly surprised there isn't more of this kind of thing.
Re:Forget 4chan (Score:4, Insightful)
We told this gunman that a valid way to make sense of the world was to essentialize race. And then he did. Why did we tell him that? Who benefits from it? Why are we still doing it? Why do you think its ok?
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I'll link to the new favorite newspaper of the right wing, the NY Post.
https://nypost.com/2016/07/21/... [nypost.com]
Since the GOP now stands for Gaslight, Obstruct, and Project, they certainly project the groomer part. Let's check the ever growing list of republican kiddie fuckers.
https://www.dailykos.com/stori... [dailykos.com]
800 cases!
strawman all around (Score:2)
I'm sure the US media are full today of stories that blame 4chan, the Internet in general, social media, young people spending too much time online and a bunch of other crap.
While ignoring the fact that an 18 year old got hold of an assault rifle might be a bit of a problem. Especially in a society essentially built on pressure (to perform, to conform, to function, to succeed, etc.)
Different breed of mass shooters (Score:5, Insightful)
Traditionally mass shooters tend to finish by taking their own lives. It basically seems to be a way to kill yourself with maximum attention.
But these right wing terrorists, all the ones mentioned in the article (not to mention Anders Breivik,j and the guy you shot Gabby Giffords, and..., well too many) all survived their massacres.
It's a very different psychology going on.
Re:Different breed of mass shooters (Score:5, Interesting)
They think there is a race war coming and that in time they will be seen as the good guys, the ones who tried to warn us before it go so bad. They think that they just need to wait in prison until people come begging for their help.
Russia actively cultivates these maniacs online. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re: Surprise that so many are helping the Kremlin (Score:2)
Oh, so migration is the cause? If only we just kept out the coloured folk, none of this would ever happen, eh?
Yeah, I think I know where the helper of this terrorist can be found.
Re:Russia actively cultivates these maniacs online (Score:4, Informative)
Agree with pretty much all that. But at the same time, since the Trump era, a lot of American "patriotic" folks are also pro-Russia and pro-Putin. E.g.:
Though Americans overwhelmingly call the Ukraine invasion unjustified, Trump voters actually had a more favorable opinion of Putin than of Biden. Ninety-five percent of Trump voters expressed an unfavorable view of Biden (including 87 percent holding a very unfavorable view), compared with 78 percent of Trump voters expressing an unfavorable view of Putin (60 percent very unfavorable). Only 3 percent of Trump voters said Biden is “doing a better job leading his country” than Putin, while 47 percent said the dictator, who has brought isolation and economic crisis to Russia, is doing a better job than Biden.
Washington Post. [washingtonpost.com]
Back in my day (Score:2)
The elephant in the room (Score:3)
So everyone is talking about how he was "radicalized" on 4chan, but no one is talking about how he had obtained an assault rifle and ammo, which is the most prominent problem here. I feel sometimes like I am taking crazy pills, doesn't anyone see the actual problem here?
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Unlike guns, cars do not have a role in protecting the population from authoritarian government.
But if you mount a gun on a car and call it a mobile gun ... ?
Re:Undue attention (Score:5, Interesting)
Unlike guns, cars do not have a role in protecting the population from authoritarian government.
Well, that's clearly nonsense.
I mean, if a woman gets pregnant in a state where abortions are not permitted, what's she likely to do? Go somewhere where it's legal, if she can.
And what's the #1 tool for traveling to a neighboring state? That's right, the automobile.
Being mobile has a large role in protecting the population from an authoritarian government -- and cars are one of many forms of mobility.
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Of course it's nonsense. The fantasy that you could stand up to the might of the American government with your peashooters is just that, a fantasy.
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If that's all it took, nobody would be dead in Ukraine. This shooter did encounter return fire from both a security guard and a police office, however he was wearing a vest and it didn't do much to him. Everyone has to wear vests and carry an assault weapon?
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You are correct that there are really on two options when it comes to maintaining peace though. Either everybody is armed or nobody is armed. There are valid arguments to make for both.
There are clear benefits of everybody b
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Once again, the news is worthless.
http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/hatethenews [aaronsw.com]
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Modern news sows fear and reaps riches and control. After 9/11 the media really learned thst there is profit to be had keeping the population afraid and glued to the screen.
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Once again, these extremely unusual events receive undue attention, while the regular murders and property destruction caused by car drivers, car companies, oil companies, and their attendant industries (e.g. civil engineers, highway construction companies) remain underreported.
Oh, they are reported. What they do not have is a massive media hungry to hype deaths, not put them in perspective and push fear. For example, one would think that firearms are the most dangerous things that affect children. It's not. It's drowning and car accidents. For children ages 1-4 Drowning in a swimming pool is the leading cause of death. (link here: https://www.cdc.gov/drowning/f... [cdc.gov] ) with accidents rising as a cause of death as the children ages. For ages 5-9 Homicide does rise up to #5 on the lis
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Re: Undue attention (Score:5, Insightful)
When have guns have ever been successfully used to protect people from an authoritarian US government?
Re: Undue attention (Score:5, Insightful)
Carrying a gun doesn't make you safe in an invasion, it makes you a legit military target. So unless you plan to use it in an organised defense, it will mostly just get you killed otherwise.
That's why the Swiss home defense is a credible threat to any invading army, but US style gun ownership actually isn't a real issue for armies, because it won't be used in an organised fashion. And if someone uses their guns and you then torch their family alive in the town square as a warning, most resistance just evaporates. This is a lesson learnt locally in WW2.
So if one in 10 protesters was carrying a weapon, they would be preemptively fired upon, and houses would be searched one by one with overwhelming force. Anyone found to hold a gun would be shot on the spot if you hadn't turned it in on first demand.
This whole US Conservative wet dream about how to hold off the Yankees and Injuns is a dangerous relic of the past.
The US constitution stipulated that gun owners had to be part of a well organised militia. That's the only way it can be effective. The rest is just playacting, stimulated by gun sellers.
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If the Confederacy, with the significant resources at its disposal, couldn't beat the wealthier and more populace Union, I'd posit that the notion behind the Second Amendment that general ownership of guns is a bastion against tyranny was rendered obsolete by the mid-19th century, and that no "citizen's army" can ever reach anything approaching force parity with a state-funded army.
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All armed and equipped by state actors. If Ukraine's defense was left up to gun owners, the Russian army would already be flying the Russian flag in Kiev. It's significant Western armaments that have burned the Russian's toes. Same with Vietnam.
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>"why did they choose to put a justification clause in for this one right but not do it for any of the others?"
That is a good question. I speculate that it is because the right is more unusual than the others. The idea of freedom of speech, and freedom of due process, etc, have more basis in previous writs.
All but 6 State Constitutions also guarantee the right to arms. And the vast majority of them have no justification clauses or have ones that specifically ignore or negate the whole "militia" idea.
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That's one of the things they did in Kiev. Give a kalashnikov to every man of arms bearing age in early stages of the war. There's quite a bit of video evidence of this. And that's not where Russians got through.
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Having more guns than people is often a bad indicator. In the US, traditionally around 33% of people own firearms (though I seem to remember seeing it squeaked up to around 40% recently due to violence). Having more guns than people is not an indicator. I look at my deceased grandparents and cousins and they all had 6--8 firearms for killing vermin on their farms or hunting. My 13 cousins on my mom's side had 3-5 guns (at minimum) each all for hunting.
In any case, removing guns is not the solution; removing
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It's interesting, but none of these are examples of guns being successfully used to protect people from an authoritarian US government.
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Re:this sure feels (Score:4, Insightful)
But then you do believe and act on what you hear from a random nut? Yeah, it is sad that your brain is malfunctional.
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Re:this sure feels (Score:5, Insightful)
like a false flag scenario.
You think someone is trying to bring down 4chan by going and killing a bunch of people and talking about it in the media? How did your brain get so broken?
Sad that I really don't believe anything that I see on the news anymore...
Well at least that's something. To be clear you shouldn't ever believe anything at least until you sort out that brain issue.
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Ex-cop Aaron Salter Jr. killed while firing at Buffalo shooter [nypost.com]
Salter Jr. drew his gun and fired at Payton Gendron, but his bullet could not pierce the 18-year-old’s armored tactical gear, officials said.
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Except that anyone can just drive in with a gun from a less regulated state...e.g. New Hampshire, the "live free or die" state.
Re: this sure feels (Score:4, Insightful)
Clue: He drove OUT of less-regulated New Hampshire because in New Hampshire some bystander or bystanders might have been armed and ended his fun day. He wanted a body count fame, which is why he was lve-streaming, and that was in jeopardy in New Hampshire. In New York, they had shooter-friendly free-fire zones where he could shoot as he pleased, and not expect a lot of resistance,
The church shooter in Texas a few years ago was taken down with a head shot from over 40 feet away by a citizen / church security detail from the congregation by a guy that knew what he was doing. Had that fellow missed, security camera footage had handful of other congregants that were crouched down and approaching him from in between the pews. He would have been stopped, sooner or later.
The cure for this is go back to the 1950's gun laws. The 1050's are famous for being a peacacable era. The 1950's gun laws were essentially non-existent. If you wanted to go armed, you did so. The bad guys knew this and were much better behaved.
And think of the downstream effect. A few years ago the cops apprehended a serial killer that claimed to have offed 92 people. After a bit of investigating, the cops agreed with the number. Imagine if his first victim and instead drawed and fired. 1 bullet could have saved 92 people.
And finally, passing more gun laws fits the popular definition of insane, which is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Clue: Repeal ALL the damned gun laws and watch things get much more peaceable.
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NYS has some of the strictest gun laws in the world, this shooter was required to show proper cause to carry a gun, hence it is impossible for him to have done this, the law forbids it.
For gun control to work guns need to generally not be available a short walk away. Gun control in one city is pointless. You need gun control in a nation combined with a collection effort to minimise access to guns.
It's why Australia has had zero mass shootings since imposing gun control, and why your post is very very stupid.
Re:this sure feels (Score:5, Interesting)
The "replacement theory" is being pushing by right wingnuts, pundits, and ditzes like Tucker Carlson. It was not minted in Russia but is basic American homegrown stupidity.
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He's called a terrorist in the linked article.
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This white guy shoots 10 people and surrenders to police without incident.
Black guy gets shot while laying on his back with his arms up in the air. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Even more fucked up is the cop was aiming for the mentally challenged man holding a toy truck and shot the black mental health therapist by mistake.
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I'm curious how that's relevant to the post you replied to, though.
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Your rant is bullshit.
Re:assault weapon? (Score:4, Interesting)
Stop being a cunt.
dictionary.com defines "assault weapon" as "any of various automatic and semiautomatic military firearms utilizing an intermediate-power cartridge, designed for individual use". Merriam-Webster's online definition is "any of various automatic or semiautomatic firearms; especially: assault rifle"
Re:assault weapon? (Score:4, Insightful)
You gotta love it when some one is so stuck on having to be right they they're refuting the dictionary.
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How many weeks has it been since the last night one?
Weeks? Wasn't there a mass-shooting in Milwaukee just yesterday?
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Don't we normally average 1-2 mass shooting per day? Most just don't even make the news anymore unless they are really big.