#FreeFortnite Hecklers Add a Shout-Out To Epic-Apple Trial (bloomberg.com) 54
Fans of Fortnite aren't happy that Apple pulled the game app off the iPhone last year -- and some aren't shy about appealing to the federal judge who has the power to make things right. From a report: "Can we please have Fortnite mobile back?" a voice was heard saying Tuesday as a clerk was testing dial-in access for the public to monitor Epic Games' trial against Apple in federal court in Oakland, California. Yesterday, as the three-week trial opened, there were enough hecklers who'd figured out how to unmute themselves -- against the court's rules -- that the phone system was briefly shut down, prompting some online commentators to refer to the situation as a hijacking. Further reading: The Apple vs. Epic Games trial airs private emails.
Losers... (Score:2)
Protest in the COVID-style phone courtroom? What happens next?
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Well, the judge has pretty strong powers in his court room. He could have them all arrested.
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And then they will be sentenced to heck!
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Technically the public are not in his courtroom though, they are remote, so I guess that it is tough luck there.
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Technically the public are not in his courtroom though, they are remote, so I guess that it is tough luck there.
Technically people that are participating in a trial lead by a judge, are under his purvey no matter where they are participating.
IANAL, so I'm just pulling shit out of my ass that makes sense, which means my above statement is probably total bullshit in our legal system.
Can't have that money-making machine make too much sense. Far too many liars wouldn't be able to rip laymans off if it did.
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Remember, this is the virtual COVID-era courtroom... arrest over phoneline doesn't work so well.
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Out of everything to be outraged at. Fortnight on my phone getting removed because two companies don't want to play nice with each other, isn't high on my list.
They are complaining about the taste of the bread and the quality of the Circus. vs other issues that may need attention, and debate.
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I don't think I have any particular App that I care so much about it, to make such a big fuss over?
If I really wanted that App, I would switch to a different platform that supported it.
Besides I don't think this slope is as slippery as you say it is. In general Apple has invested interest in keeping a vendor relationship and having a large App store.
As for those who paid for the product, that would be a different case all together. On who would have to pay for the refunds, or if they need to or not.
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Apple has invested interest in keeping a vendor relationship and having a large App store
This is true - Apple have a monopoly, and they're not afraid to abuse it!
Re:Losers... (Score:4)
This is true - Apple have a monopoly, and they're not afraid to abuse it!
16% worldwide share is not really a "monopoly".
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It's a 100% share of the iphone app market though. But you know that. Troll.
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Walmart has 100% control of what goes on its shelves and what people can buy from it, does it also have a monopoly that should be busted?
McDonalds has 100% control of what people can eat in its stores, does it also have a monopoly that should be busted?
You have 100% control of your Slashdot account, do you also have a monopoly that should be busted?
Its trivial to "prove" a "monopoly" exists when you apply limits to force your point.
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Apple deliberately created a private, locked-down market when they made the iPhone only able to install apps from Apple's own app store over which they exercise full control. They have monopoly status within that market. There are enough consumers within that market to justify government interference, to make sure they aren't getting screwed. People say "Well it's Apple's platform, like it or lump it." But guess what? It's The People's Country, and Apple can play by The People's rules, or they can fuck righ
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Walmart has 100% control of what goes on its shelves...
Who owns Walmart's stores?
McDonalds has 100% control of what people can eat in its stores...
Who owns the McDonalds' franchises? (In fairness, this question comes closer than the first, as an analogy, because of the franchise model.)
Last question: Who owns an iPhone once it's been sold by Apple?
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Walmart has 100% control of what goes on its shelves and what people can buy from it, does it also have a monopoly that should be busted?
That depends. Is Walmart abusing that monopoly to unfairly prevent competition, or keep other players out?
If the answer is "yes", than the answer to your question is also "yes", they should be busted.
It's not illegal to have a monopoly. It's illegal to unfairly abuse your monopoly power to injure consumers and restrict free trade.
That Apple have a monopoly isn't an unanswered question: at least one body whose very function it is to ask and answer that question officially have said that they do, and that the
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45% in the United States: https://www.phonearena.com/new... [phonearena.com]
In any case market share isn't the only definition of a monopoly. It also depends which market you are talking about. Smarphones in general may be 45%, but iOS app stores and iOS payment processing is 100%.
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It's a slippery slope. A game removal and this win for apple in court would basically
ensure that Apple can run its business the way it wants to run its business.
If a game developer does not want to agree to Apple's terms and conditions, they don't have to do business with Apple.
A contract between two parties requires something called Mutual Assent. What you are envisioning is that we do away with that and let the courts decided who does business with who, and on what conditions.
Now that's what I call a slippery slope.
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If a game developer does not want to agree to Apple's terms and conditions, they don't have to do business with Apple.
They do if they want their game to run on any of the billions of Apple devices...
A contract between two parties requires something called Mutual Assent.
This is true for traditional contracts. But the rise of Adhesion Contracts (EULAs and the like) do not allow for a "meeting of the minds" or mutual assent. A contract where one side holds all the power and refuses to negotiate in good faith with the other party is generally considered unconscionable.
And if you've never had to try to negotiate with Apple, consider yourself lucky. They're at least as bad as MS was in the late 90s
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So? There are at least 5x as many Android devices out there. There's only like 2 billion Apple iOS devices SOLD since 2007, but tens of millions of Android devices sold since then. Have we forgotten that Android outsells Apple 4 to 1?
Fortnite is free on all platforms its on, including Android, so there's no stic
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So? There are at least 5x as many Android devices out there. There's only like 2 billion Apple iOS devices SOLD since 2007, but tens of millions of Android devices sold since then. Have we forgotten that Android outsells Apple 4 to 1?
We haven't forgotten, we've simply realised that it's irrelevant.
The issue is Apple and Apple devices. Are you saying we should simply ignore a company that has a net worth larger than many countries' GDP and let it do what it wants simply because it isn't the biggest player in the market?
And let's not forget that "Android" isn't a company, or a line of hardware devices created by a single company, any more than "Linux" is. So it's more than a bit disingenuous to try to compare Apple to Android. It's (liter
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I think you are missing the main point. Since the game developer does not want to agree to Apple's terms and conditions, then Apple has every right to remove them from the App Store. This I agree with.
But the problem is that the app store is the only game in town, so by being removed from the App Store it is impossible for iOS users and Epic to do business together. That is the problem, and that is why I agree with Epic that Apple has too much power. Removing them from the App Store is totally okay as long
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They are complaining about the taste of the bread...
Well, it is kinda stale... Let them eat cake!
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Re: Losers... (Score:1)
Sounds like insurrection. Was somebody playing Fortnite on Nancy's laptop? Is Hunter's laptop next? Where will it end?
Why do you need to play this game on an iPhone? (Score:2)
Fortnite runs on Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Xbox, Sony Playstation and Nintendo Switch. And if you really want to play it on mobile, you can get a cheap Android phone. Why you would want to play this particular game on a phone, I don't know.
Why would you become so outraged, only because you want to play it on the iPhone? And aren't there workarounds like Stadia?
This feels fake to me.
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Why you would want to play this particular game on a phone, I don't know.
Why would you become so outraged, only because you want to play it on the iPhone?
Because they aren’t you.
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Because im sitting in my doctor's office for 3 hours and I only have an apple phone.
Gosh, I wonder what the other billion humans who have never even heard of Fortnite, are doing...
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Who cares? They're not relevant to the GP's experience as a human who has heard of Fortnite.
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Why would you want to give Tim Sweeney any more money? The eternal question
Best way to protest (Score:3)
Switch to Android, nobody is forcing you to stick to iOS. The more we start forcing companies to do this and that, the more freedoms will be lost. If we are ok with telling Apple what to do, presumably they will soon tell you and me who we should associate with and do things with. It will happen.
Re: Best way to protest (Score:1)
What we are good at is figuring it out and ditching the phone from the company that restricts.
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Which freedom have we lost (in this context)? We still have the freedom to own a phone that we can install whatever we want, it's called Android.
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WIX sites that look like they were set up in half an hour, featuring lots of jiggling flashing JS nonsense and little popups in the corner telling me that someone in Cousin Lick, Arkansas just purchased, really scream of credibility and make me want to enter my personal info.
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Strange way of looking at anti-monopoly laws, which are generally designed to protect and enhance your freedom by making sure that there is competition. If Apple had their way you wouldn't be able to choose Android.
link to the video? (Score:2)
Neither the summary, nor the post, nor the article linked in the post, nor the original article that the article linked in the post references.
None of them have a link to the video of the call where this happens. What a joke.
Epic agreed to rules, then broke them (Score:2, Flamebait)
Misleading Title (Score:4, Insightful)
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Are you guys working together, or do you get separate orders?
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Is it that astounding to you that people don't agree with Epics position here?
Or is "any post that disagrees with my point of view must automatically be accused of being a paid shill so as to discredit them" your new form of trolling?
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There were a dozen posts saying pretty much the same thing. Surely some of them could have read the thread and realised their post would be a bit redundant.
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You think a bunch of sugar addicted kids are able to think logically?
Think about what kind of mind that decides the best course of action is to shout at a federal judge during a case. Applying any kind of thought is way too much to ask of these people.
Kangaroo Trial (Score:1)
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I think you should actually google what a Kangaroo trial actually is, because even if the content of your post was correct it would still have nothing to do with / nor be a kangaroo trial.