Researchers Launch Open-Source Website To Hunt Down Capitol Insurrectionists (huffpost.com) 500
SysEngineer shares a report from HuffPost: Some of the citizen sleuths behind the open-source effort to identify the hundreds of Donald Trump-loving rioters who stormed the U.S. Capitol have launched an impressive new website that organizes the stunning amount of digital evidence collected about the Jan. 6 insurrection.
The website, Jan6evidence.com, was built by a small team of volunteer software developers, using the work of open-source investigators looking into the deadly Capitol attack. The site features a color-coded timeline that reflects the time of day, and allows users to click around on a map of the Capitol and pull up any video evidence from a particular location and time frame. Users can even track an individual suspect's movements over the course of Jan. 6.
The website, Jan6evidence.com, was built by a small team of volunteer software developers, using the work of open-source investigators looking into the deadly Capitol attack. The site features a color-coded timeline that reflects the time of day, and allows users to click around on a map of the Capitol and pull up any video evidence from a particular location and time frame. Users can even track an individual suspect's movements over the course of Jan. 6.
4chan and thedonald.win (Score:5, Interesting)
I found myself rapidly pressing F5 on 4chan and thedonald.win in the weeks leading up to the Jan6 rally. Right around Decemberish I started watching all of the fringe forums I could think of. And I found exactly what I was expecting.. There were tons of memes and what I can only assume are AI bots that antagonized everyone into a frenzy. There were confirmed reports of people being in DC at the time. I wonder if anyone has any of the threads that spawned leading up to and during the attempt.
And this is not limited to just those two sites, there are many underground forums that have since cleared out large swaths of comments. Reddit's conspiracy subreddit, for instance, had a moderator disappear immediately after the attack. Along with him went tons of threads and comments from foreign agents (or bots?) that had responded to some of my research accounts.
Things that make you go hmmm
Re:4chan and thedonald.win (Score:5, Interesting)
I think it highly likely that the insurrection was an inside job: a real attempt to overthrow government.
Consider that:
1. The police were inadequately equipped for the day and not deployed to properly defend the Capitol.
2. The commander of the national guard lost the authority to bring the national guard into action the day before the insurrection
3. It took 3 hours for the people with authority to decide to actually defend the Capitol.
I have no idea what the thinking was behind planning for an insurrection, but I think that there were some very suspicious actions by those who were about to lose their power and authority.
There was a claim that a military or military-like presence would be bad optics, but those making the decisions had no qualms about such optics when there was a BLM protest at the Capitol.
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" and get accurate results everybody could believe"
They were accurate results. They were audited. Multiple times in some cases. The accuracy was never in question -- Trump would have claimed they were false no matter how much he lost by.
Re:Running theory by idiots perhaps (Score:5, Insightful)
Every Republican I have talked to hoped VP Pence would listen to the appeals and refuse to accept the slates of electors from the disputed states
Because they assumed that Pence would be as lawless as Trump. Thankfully, that was a bad assumption.
Those "disputed states" were following their own laws. In some cases, those laws were even put into place by Republicans.
It's also interesting that the very same people insisting signatures not be required or verified in last November's election are demanding very strict signature checks on all the petitions to recall California Democrat governor Newsom... SURELY no such signatures should be required and they certainly need not be checked, right?
Petitions have a different standard than elections because they are much easier to cheat on.
When the 2020 election results have been checked, and in some cases rechecked and rechecked again the results have been confirmed. There is no evidence of any large-scale fraud, nor of any fraud which is sufficient to alter the results of the election. Most of the small amount of voting fraud which has been found in these reviews was carried out by Republicans, as usual.
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What was the actual plan, though? My best guess is that enough Democratic House members are killed that Trump can create a state of emergency and use the now Republican-majority Congress to rubber-stamp everything, including the transfer of power even though these moves would be technically unconstitutional. Even if the Supreme Court rules the moves unconstitutional, there's no enforcement mechanism and Trump keeps rolling on lies and false legitimacy claimed by "Congress vote". Trump holds onto power il
Re:4chan and thedonald.win (Score:4, Interesting)
The big thing that holds me back from thinking that the Capitol riot was an attempt at a putsch is how halfhearted all of it seemed.
It wasn't half-hearted, it was sincere as all hell. It was half-assed, because ultimately at some point Trump was in charge and everything he does is half-assed because he's half-brained. People close to Trump claim that he actually believes the lie that he won the election. Let's take that at face value for a second and see where that rabbit hole goes. If true it explains how Trump is such an effective manipulator despite clearly not being all that smart. If he believes his own bullshit, it makes it much easier to sell because he speaks with conviction, and for many people that's all it takes.
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It still begs the question, though, what would have happened if some substantive goal *had* been achieved, and what would that goal have been?
Well, first off I think you are missing a target - Pence. The crowd was cheering on his lynching, and I think we were one Eugene Goodman (oh the irony) away from his demise along with any other republican that wasn’t on the trump train, dems in general with the well known dems like pelosi, Omar, or AOC would be at the top of their list.
As to what they were thinking, well that’s like a trick question, when I’ve tried to replicate the “thinking” in the past, I kept failing to
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No one who is replying to you, seems to consider the keywords in your statement -- "foreign agents". This is what we have to deal with. The illusion of choice in our democracy (i.e. that both candidates ultimately will support many of the same policies) combined with foreign powers exploiting the mass's biases, means that our system is totally self-canabalizing.
It's too easy to create the content that will exploit people and people seem to lack either the education or reasoning to realize the scale of explo
Re:4chan and thedonald.win (Score:5, Insightful)
The illusion of choice in our democracy (i.e. that both candidates ultimately will support many of the same policies) combined with foreign powers exploiting the mass's biases, means that our system is totally self-canabalizing.
At the last election there was more difference between the two candidates than there had been for decades.
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I don't watch American TV anymore, since I live in China. So I probably missed out on some things.
This being said, I think most modern consumers use streaming services which in general leads me to believe most late night shows get a lot less viewer ship. The last person I know who regularly tuned into it was a low level politician.
However, most everyone uses some form of social media where randos get there voice amplified more than any other time. Multiple that by x100 for bots, and I think you begin to see
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Lots of bots, and lots of people cashing in by asking for "donations". Lots of people just caught up in the QAnon frenzy that made them feel smart and like they were part of something important.
The shock they experienced when they realized that they were not saving America, that Trump wasn't standing by them and their their revolution had failed...
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Don't forget the pizza parlour, jewish space lasers and george soros. /s
Open-source intelligence, not software (Score:5, Insightful)
Just want to clarify that when they say it's "open-source" they mean it's open-source intelligence [wikipedia.org].
Open-source intelligence (OSINT) is a multi-methods (qualitative, quantitative) methodology for collecting, analyzing and making decisions about data accessible in publicly available sources to be used in an intelligence context. In the intelligence community, the term "open" refers to overt, publicly available sources (as opposed to covert or clandestine sources).
Basically, it's information that has been scooped up off the web and has nothing to do with open source software.
not sure... (Score:5, Insightful)
Whenever stories like that pop up, I'm not sure how I should feel about it.
Should I applaud the goal and purpose, or should I worry about the methods?
This is a witch hunt with modern technology. Remember who started it when on the next BLM riots the extreme rights are using the same methods to hunt down black people who want equal treatment. Or when the evangalists use it to hunt down people who bothered them on their anti-abortion rallies. Or when the chinese government uses it to find protesters in Hong Kong. Or spanish neo-fascists use it to throw Catalonian independence supporters in jail for a decade.
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Should I applaud the goal and purpose, or should I worry about the methods?
You are required to enthusiastically applaud these tactics and the narrative used to justify them, comrade. Think carefully about future posts on these matters as well if you wish to remain employable.
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This is a witch hunt with modern technology
Is that what you called it when you got a speeding ticket? It's a witch hunt, officer! What about when you shoplifted a VCR back in the 80s and got caught? It's a witch hunt your honour!
Getting caught after committing a crime is many things, but a witch hunt isn't one of them.
[Since many people here are imperious to hyperbole, I mean you in the general you as a rhetorical device. I' not accusing you personally of shoplifting a VCR]
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If they try to give me a speeding ticket by checking on everyone who drove that road that day, then yes, that's a witch hunt.
And if instead of using the speed cam picture and sending me a ticket they plaster my face all over the Internet and write "do you know this man, he was speeding?" then that's hardly fitting the crime, too.
Re:not sure... (Score:5, Insightful)
Ah yes: the right wing party of rule of law think it's a witch hunt if they get caught.
Funny, I'm not in any right wing party. I'm in fact not even in the US. :-)
No, the point I object to is the public search. Over here in Europe, you only do that for serious criminals like terrorists.
A speed camera is not a witch hunt, you're just whiny. Also stop speeding, asshole.
*sigh* there was a time when /. was the place on the Internet where people didn't go down to ad hominem when they didn't immediately win an argument. So sad.
World's first private secret police (Score:2, Insightful)
It's amazing how people self-brainwashed to do the work of KGB for free and on their own time. Gone are the days when government spooks steam opened the envelopes, trailed people on the street and roughed someone up or gathered Kompromat to intimidate them. Nowadays we are more happy to hack and doxx each other without anyone putting guns to our heads and roughing up unpopular speakers is very much a thing.
Now you might say that capitol rioters deserve it, but that's beside the point. Most of KGB work also
Perhaps (Score:2)
If people were so concerned with the consequences of their actions they shouldn't have live streamed themselves. These people had to know what they were doing was wrong and I don't feel bad in the least about them being ratted out.
It's Sam Hyde (Score:2)
It Sam Hyde, all Sam Hyde, how does he keep getting away with this? He must be stopped!
In historical terms... (Score:2)
this is called a witch hunt. I predict that it will continue with even the mere accusation being the equivalent of a conviction in the court of public opinion. Visions of McCarthyism dancing in my head.
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Re:For once, privacy is not an issue for the HuffP (Score:4, Insightful)
Personal property belongs to an individual. In the US many property crimes seem to be considered on the law more heinous than violence (e.g. GTA vs assault).
However, government property effectively belongs to the people which is to say it belongs to all citizens. Thus the crime is against the collective.
Seems pretty straightforward to me.
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I don't know where you live, but in California GTA can be a misdemeanor.
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It starts with this and ends up with posting where their kids go to school and where their wives work: https://www.rferl.org/a/german... [rferl.org]
Is it illegal in the USA - no idea. Probably yes. It is definitely illegal in the rest of the developed world. In most civilized countries running such a website will net you between 3 and 12 years in jail for cyberstalking, harassment, data protection violations, etc.
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Most major platforms are very biased towards allowing leftist/progressive bad behavior and cracking down suspiciously hard on any right wing/conservative bad behavior.
Don't get me wrong, public shaming is a shitty thing to do regardless of who's doing it against who and regardless of the reason behind it, but if such tactics are going to be common place on the internet,
Re:Trump goes to federal prison in 2021 (Score:4, Insightful)
Such a database would probably be pulled off of the internet for being racist/sexist/homophobic, as is usually the case with such things.
Are you looking at the same internet as me? You think racist/sexist/homophobic websites get pulled off the internet?
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No, of course not.
Websites where not-hard-left wing people discuss anything not current 'woke' enough are being pulled off the internet, after being labeled as racist/sexist/homophobic/right wing extremist, even if 0.00001% of content would be (and that pretty much applies to ANY discussion from experience).
If you want to see things that SHOULD be being canceled, go listen to some rap lyrics, and watch some of the videos associated.
Compared to that, everything else short of actual skinheads (who are the usu
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very biased towards allowing leftist/progressive bad behavior
The hypothetical database that you're talking about is explicitly targeting innocent people. I'm not going to comment on your persecution complex, but you've picked a poor example.
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Every person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
If you're database of "enemies" (Score:5, Interesting)
Also this doesn't look like public shaming (not that I'm entirely opposed to the practice, actions need to have consequences), this looks more like an attempt to find a whole bunch of people that tried to overthrow the US Government.
Yeah, they did a *really* crappy job of it, but that's not the point. The point is they tried. And if they're left to their own devices they'll try again. I'm not saying we destroy these people, but we need to do something about them, just like we would any dangerous criminal.
And I've said it before, but I don't care how stupid they are. If you try to kill me with a potato peeler instead of a butcher's knife I don't laugh it off, I thank my lucky stars you're an idiot and charge you with attempted murder.
Re:Trump goes to federal prison in 2021 (Score:5, Insightful)
Trying to ruin people's lives over microaggressions is.
Re:Trump goes to federal prison in 2021 (Score:4, Interesting)
They already do this. They have been doxing people for years, and weaving them into their conspiracy theories.
They tried it years ago in the aftermath of the Unite The Right rally where one of them murdered a woman with his car. Tried to turn the tables, identify the "crisis actors" and "false flags". It didn't work and in fact many of them were identified from video their own people posted of the event, resulting in lost jobs and jail time for other offences.
Why would they need that? (Score:2)
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"Really, you've got to stop believing everything she says when she sees a mike or a camera."
Don't lie.
https://www.reuters.com/articl... [reuters.com]
Re:You really farked that up (Score:5, Informative)
The police officer who died was NOT struck in the head by a fire extinguisher in the hands of a Trump supporter (as dishonestly reported by the "mainstream media" for days) - the FBI has no evidence that this happened, the man's autopsy showed no such injury, and the man's family has said they believe he had a stroke (he did not die at the protest).
There is literally video of the insurrectionist throwing the fire extinguisher and it hitting him in the head. [washingtonpost.com] That is called evidence. Therefore, we have straight up proof you are a lying insurrection supporting piece of shit.
We also have video of a insurrectionist gouging the eyes of a capitol police officer who has lost an eye. [gothamist.com] These are the people you are supporting and defending. You are no better than they are.
Re:You really farked that up (Score:5, Insightful)
The police officer who died was NOT struck in the head by a fire extinguisher in the hands of a Trump supporter (as dishonestly reported by the "mainstream media" for days) - the FBI has no evidence that this happened
Oh, so this video doesn't clearly show a fire extinguisher being lobbed at a group of police, and bouncing off one of those officers' helmets? [washingtonpost.com]
How the fuck do you presume to know what evidence the FBI has, when the god damn Washington Post has it?
Or the picture of this guy emptying a fire extinguisher into a group of police guarding the entrance on the west Capitol steps? By the way, there's video of him launching it through that archway after it's empty. But I suppose that didn't happen either?
And having the balls to call this peaceful assembly to petition the government for a redress of grievances is a fucking farce - they were there seeking a redress of the grievance of "our guy didn't win a legal and fair election and we want to disrupt the operation of the United States Congress in certifying the rightful election of the next President."
All your other bullshit minimizing what happened is exactly that - bullshit. This was an assault on the peaceful transition of power that has been going strong for 230 years, even after incredibly acrimonious election campaigns. Until now.
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History is written by the victors.
Arrest the Leader of the Conspiracy (Score:2, Insightful)
Trump summoned all these Traitors to Washington DC and they violently attacked the capitol at his command.
Donald Trump should be in jail right now.
Lock Him Up.
How many comments from insurrectionists? (Score:3)
Just wondering how many of the comments of that sort are coming from people who have the time to post because they are hunkered down and hoping no one squeals on them? Finally, a good reason to post AC!
Re:Arrest the Leader of the Conspiracy (Score:5, Insightful)
So the Capitol Police officer that was killed by chemical irritants (read: bear spray) didn't actually die? Or do they just have bear spray flowing through the Capitol ventilation system as a part of normal operation?
Cite some evidence that Officer Sicknick is still alive, or get the fuck back to 4chan to wait for the next "Q drop" - I'm sure that the only twice-impeached private citizen in Florida is going to start publicly executing Democrats any day now. More likely, he's going to be served with yet more lawsuits and subpoenas and spend the rest of his life in the courthouse revolving door.
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You morons had an actual civil war that killed half a million people.
A riot that resulted in 4 dead protesters and 1 cop having stroke is most certainly not "the worst attack on American democracy".
ffs.
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Any large group of people is going to result (Score:3)
But to your point they attacked the capital. A few tipped garbage cans and broken windows near the capital would be one thing. they made it inside.
Worse, we know they had help. I'll leave googling it as an exercise to the reader, but it's painfully clear that pains were taken to ensure that the national guard was not present and that the capital police were too undermanned to prevent the attack.
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Just a question to all of those who really think it was deplorable. If you honestly, in your heart of hearts believed that a tyrannical government and its systems and courts had just usurped your right to vote and representation, what do you believe would be the appropriate response?
So that's your line of defence. They aren't guilty because they are stupid?
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Just a question to all of those who really think it was deplorable. If you honestly, in your heart of hearts believed that a tyrannical government and its systems and courts had just usurped your right to vote and representation, what do you believe would be the appropriate response?
When they reported this some years ago and had video of election official officials sorting and throwing away democrat votes in several states? When they said that the people blowing the whistles where not true americans and even insurrectionists, terrorists? AND an election that had more people casting their votes then ever before BECAUSE the current president was also one of the lowest rated ever if not the lowest? AN election that was considered the fairest BECAUSE of the state election reforms mostly e
Re:Arrest the Leader of the Conspiracy (Score:5, Insightful)
The worst attack on "American democracy" in your nation's history was allowing unlimited money to play the decisive part in politics. Everything else is just a logical consequence.
And btw, the worst attack on the democracies all over the world is not Chinar or Russiar or North Korear, it is the US for-hire consultants advising their own rich people how to emulate the US approach to legal quid-pro-quo and still call it "a democracy".
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I would argue that the Civil war, or the sacking of DC by the British during the war or 1812 were far worse attacks on our Democracy. A few yahoos running around the Capital taking selfies isn't even in the same league. Also, I encourage anyone trying to use the word insurrection to actually look up the definition, because the intent was not there to overthrow the government, therefore no insurrection occurred.
If you want to see what an insurrection looks like, it is happening right now in Myanmar.
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Was that bombing incited by the sitting president of the united states, and did it temporarily impede the peaceful transfer of power based on the results of a national election?
No?
So then do you have any justification for this insurrection that isn't completely fucking ridiculous?
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Antietam and Gettysburg were also worse.
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Those were not attacks on democracy. Those were battles in a shooting war between two democracies.
The Confederacy never attacked Washington, because they knew it would just strengthen the Union's resolve.
Re:Arrest the Leader of the Conspiracy (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, "stop the steal".
By "steal" he meant the normal counting of electoral votes which favored his opponent.
How exactly would a crowd of irregulars stop the vote counting except by invading the capitol?
Re:Arrest the Leader of the Conspiracy (Score:4, Funny)
At trial, the police play a recording of a mob boss saying of a murder victim to the person who murdered the victim "I want him taken care of."
Do you have a recording where my client specifically said to kill the victim? It sounds like you made something up.
Re:Arrest the Leader of the Conspiracy (Score:5, Informative)
After this, we’re going to walk down and I’ll be there with you. We’re going to walk down. We’re going to walk down any one you want, but I think right here. We’re going walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.
- Donald J. Trump, January 6 2021.
No he didn't explicitly tell them to attack the capitol. Yes, he did rile up a crowd by holding an event where speaker after speaker gaslit the crowd for an hour, and then told them to "be strong" at the Capitol. Anyone with half a functional brain can see what this is leading to.
Did he mean to have them violently attack the Capitol while a joint session of Congress was in session? I don't know, and I don't know if we'll ever know. But he sure as shit didn't mind it happening when it did, because he didn't do fuck-all for hours about it. And when he finally did, he told them that he loved them and was proud of them.
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Indeed. The test for "trying to incite violence" is not the words uses, but whether the words had that potential, did cause violence and whether that was something reasonable to be expected. The statements by Trump match all three.
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1a: to contend in battle or physical combat
especially : to strive to overcome a person by blows or weapons
The soldiers fought bravely.
Wait... so a genius now means using the first definition of a word...
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I do not recall the pro-cancer crowd existing let alone storming the capitol.
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Re:Arrest the Leader of the Conspiracy (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Arrest the Leader of the Conspiracy (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh, another ignorant prick posting anonymously. Trump didn't summon anyone, the protest was already planned.
Yes, the insurrection was planned, and police and military resources were deliberately withheld to correspond to its timing. Panic buttons were removed from the offices of some members of congress for the event. Supplies for erecting a gallows were secured and prepared. Trump literally "summoned" supporters to the event, as the word means "authoritatively or urgently call on (someone) to be present".
And he explicitly called for the protesters to be peaceful and patriotic.
He explicitly called for the protesters to "stop the steal", said that they should be "not so nice" to some members of congress and Mike Pence, and said he would personally march with them which obviously he didn't do, and anyone who thought he would was spectacularly stupid. Thus he filtered out anyone who wasn't a total fucking idiot, knowing that idiots can more easily be led to violence.
Re:Bunch of hypocrites (Score:5, Informative)
Mystery attack with a fire extinguisher? There's fucking video of it - a guy wearing a jacket patterned after the American flag, blowing the contents of a fire extinguisher into the door of the building, and when it's empty he throws it at the police [nypost.com]. Or this video of someone lobbing a fire extinguisher into a group of surrounded police. [wusa9.com]
People were arrested and charged with concealed weapons charges for having cattle prods and stun guns inside the Capitol. One idiot even took a picture with his feet kicked up on the Speaker of the House's desk, with the stungun visible shoved in his belt. [npr.org]
And isn't it funny that a "spontaneous" protest would bring enough construction materials to erect a gallows on the Capitol lawn? [usnews.com] Or bring with them a bunch of flex-cuffs in order to do what, exactly? Same guy with the flex-cuffs also stashed a bag of weapons outside the Capitol [wusa9.com] before entering, knowing that if he was caught in there with weapons it was an automatic 20 years in the Federal clink:
“We’re going straight to federal prison if we go in there with weapons,” Eisenhart allegedly says in the video. When Munchel agrees, she reportedly suggests they stash the weapons in a backpack.
Lawyers say the video shows the pair moving back to a “location where a tactical bag and other items appear to have been stashed” and then removing items from their person and placing them in and around the bag.
And you know what? They're right. 18 USC 930 [cornell.edu] puts them away for up to 5 years on each count for having dangerous weapons on Federal property while in the commission of committing a crime - such as unlawful occupation of the United States Capitol. Or violent disruption of the functioning of Congress.
So there are your weapons. Stashed outside by some insurrectionists, carried inside by others. Proven through photographic evidence, and made public through charging documents from prosecutors. These people either thought that the President would shield them from prosecution, or are just really fucking stupid. Perhaps both.
The rest of your bullshit comment is just whataboutism. Breakers of the law, need to see the inside of a courtroom regardless of political slant. And you really need to shake yourself.
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Insurrection? No. No one was armed.
One of them was actually arrested for being armed as he tried to escape the scene. Some others who were dumb enough to post public statements that got them additional scrutiny before driving long distances turned out to have small armories in their trunks. While some police were doing their job that day, many of them weren't, and so a lot of people went unsearched. So even if you limit your statement to firearms, it's not strictly true, and is probably not at all true.
No one was in open rebellion trying to over throw the United States.
They were attempting to alter the outco
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The dude you mention wasn't trying to escape the scene. Police were trying to herd him and others away from the Capitol. Then one of the police officers noticed a protrusion in the man's pants, and used his hard stick to probe the firm bulge in the Maryland man's pants.
Nobody fixed the cable, though.
Re: Insurrection (Score:2)
Classic internet goalpost-shifting.
The point wasn't that the number of people armed was PRECISELY zero.
The point was the assertion, by half of the electorate and the still-aquiver media, that the appropriate term for this was an "insurrection".
I'd argue that even some of them had carried guns, a handful of firearms cannot plausibly be considered to constitute "an insurrection" against the United States. That's ludicrous.
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What's weird is no one is defending people burning buildings. Everyone thinks that those people should be arrested - and in some cases you can see them being restrained by BLM protestors and turned over to the police. The difference is people who burned buildings during the protests made up a negligible percentage - heck even people attempting to push past police barricades made up a negligible percent. Capital protestors who committed federal trespassing (at a minimum) and pushed past police made up 100%
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Listing names does not prove your accusation, show some proof.
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YMMV, people circulated http://ally.tools/ [ally.tools] with exactly such defense at work.
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You're being disingenuous and you know it.
They didn't just "enter a federal building without permission" and you know it. They wanted to kidnap members of congress and overturn an election. And yes that is insurrection and yes that is way way worse than a mere riot.
And no one said burning buildings was OK. What people are saying is that the building burners were a very small part of a very very large movement. If you're going to taint an entire movement by the 0.01% of worst actors you can find many of whom
Re:they should have just burned some small busines (Score:4, Informative)
THOUSANDS of BLM protestors were arrested. Why are you lying about that?
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It's just strange that there seems to be a cheerleading team, discouraging accountability when police officers kill unarmed minorities without justification.
It's strange that republicans are so supportive of that specific crime, don't you think?
Re:Let them go to jail. (Score:5, Insightful)
You mean all those people in January of 2016 who didn't go to D.C., didn't invade the Capitol, and didn't try to clog the courts with nonsense or convince states to shred valid ballots and coronate Hillary?
How dare they?
But yes, if you can find anyone who busted in to the capitol in 2016 and vandalized the place, by all means prosecute them.
Re:Let them go to jail. (Score:4, Informative)
In 2016 a lot of people did go to DC. On Jan 21. To peacefully march in the streets. You know, the way that if Trumps fans had done we would have mocked and moved on. As opposed to having to pay attention and punish them cause they tried to overthrow the government.
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Why were people marching in DC on Jan 21, 2016, a year before Trump's inauguration?
The protests on Jan 20, 2017 were quite violent. Police were assaulted, vehicles were torched, Richard Spencer was punched live on TV, and more. There was far more violence then than on Jan 6 of this year. The most notable difference was that prosecutors dropped basically all the charges against those earlier rioters.
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You were right, it was 2017. You are wrong in that somehow you conflate "bad actors in a crowd of peaceful protestors" with "group that in its entirety broke the law."
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Oh how I love the way its 'a few bad actors' in 2017, but in 2021 its a 'group that in its entirety broke the law'
Assault and Property Damage versus, well, Trespass (questionable, they were let in), and Property Theft.
Quite similar really. Both are a bit of a yawn - its interesting that the reactions are not similar.
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Many did have the charges dropped, but not until a number of people were tried and found not guilty by a jury.
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I guess the moral of the story is to be Black Bloc, because it's hard to identify who the criminals are when everybody dresses the same way specifically to avoid attribution? And to commit political crimes in cities where 90+% of the voters agree with your politics?
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If you're addicted to ragebait news and ragebait social media like Twitter then it's extremely different... because you're unhinged from reality and have strange beliefs about treason, and Russia, and voted fraud, etc, that have no real grounding in reality
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Who is in charge? It sounds like you are spouting a conspiracy.
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not a single person arrested had a firearm.
Untrue.
My understanding is that only 75 arrests were made that day (which I think is a problem). And of those, I think there were 2 with firearm charges.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-d... [justice.gov]
shows 3 people facing firearm charges related to the insurrection/riot/whatever-you-want-to-call-it.
It's ironic that you ask if Slashdot is "fakenew" for using the term insurrection when you're spreading misinformation.
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close to 200 were arrested. not a single one had a firearm. your own link shows the charges were NOT for carrying firearms during the 1/6/21 riot. The facts of the charge show illegal possession of a firearm during the time of the arrest ON A DIFFERENT DAY.
The fact that you are LYING in order to prove your point means you don't believe what you actually say. Why are you helping to perpetuate this LIE?
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I thought you were wrong, but I just did a check through images from the capitol riot, and there were not many guns. The zip tie guy had some kind of holster, but I don't think it was a gun. There was a surprising lack of actual firearms.
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You mean like her immediate predecessors Colin Powell and Condi Rice? Or Ivanka Trump in the most recent administration. Although, frankly, for Ivanka we're not sure of the secrecy level of the emails, just that it violated 44 U.S.C. ÂÂ 2201â"2207 (amended in 2014 to specifically forbid a private email server just like Hillary, Ivanka, Powell and R
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Read better sources. I recommend any major newspaper. I also recommend staying away from OANN, NewsMax, Fox or Breitbart.
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The crowdsourced information is forwarded to the FBI. The FBI doesn't take it on faith - their usual MO is to try to obtain a more official photo (e.g. license, passport) to verify the identity in the footage. They then usually get warrants to gather evidence and arrest the people.
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I mean he did fuck with Picard way too much but should omnipotent beings really be held account to the laws of mere mortals.
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Insurrection and aiding and abetting murder is generally considered a worse crime than property damage. Who knew??
Just out of curiosity being a non-American: Exactly how many have been charged with insurrection and aiding and abetting murder?
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Insurrection and aiding and abetting murder is generally considered a worse crime than property damage. Who knew??
Just out of curiosity being a non-American: Exactly how many have been charged with insurrection and aiding and abetting murder?
Over 300 so far [insider.com]. Tips keep coming in every day so expect that number to reach 500 in the not too distant future.
Re: When can we expect a similar website for BLM (Score:4, Insightful)
The website represents the power of the Left, which is intelligent people who can create terrifying technological tools.
The capital riot represents the power of the Right, which is the ability to generate mobilized armies of people who believe in conspiracy theories the way ISIS believes in Muhammad.
In terms of "which is worse", the BLM riots are clearly worse *economically*. Their economic impact was worse. But in terms of *social change*, the capital riots were clearly worse.
BLM was black people fighting for equal rights, to not be killed at 8x the rate of white people per capita. Former slaves rising up to demand equal treatment.
Capital riots were a bunch of former slave owners who would rather things stay as they were, or revert further. Who want to believe that their government needs to be overthrown so they can live in a fantasy alternate reality with an egomaniacal dictator who wants no free press and a return to pre-war values.
So "which was worse?" Depends on the outcome you prefer. A few billion lost for some people to gain equal treatment? If only freedom could be won that cheaply.
Re: When can we expect a similar website for BLM (Score:5, Interesting)
Keep in mind that at the BLM protests there are multiple cases of white supremacists infiltrating the protests and working to whip the crowd up into a riot. Here's just one example during the George Floyd protests in Minneapolis:
https://www.startribune.com/po... [startribune.com]
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a United States federal law that empowers the President of the United States to deploy U.S. military and federalized National Guard troops within the United States in particular circumstances, such as to suppress civil disorder, insurrection, or rebellion.
An act of insurrection against the United States is not wholly and singularly applied based on that law. Your laughable reference to insurrection is to "Picketing and Parading [findlaw.com]". You should be looking at 18 USC 2383 [cornell.edu], and please recognize it is rather generic. I don't know if you're being wil