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Proposed US Law Could Slap Twitch Streamers With Felonies For Broadcasting Copyrighted Material (kotaku.com) 208

Republican senator Thom Tillis has introduced a proposal to turn unauthorized commercial streaming of copyrighted material into a felony offense with a possible prison sentence. It's currently being included in a must-pass spending bill. Kotaku reports: Currently, such violations, no matter how severe, are considered misdemeanors rather than felonies, because the law regards streaming as a public performance. With Twitch currently in the crosshairs of the music industry, such a change would turn up the heat on streamers and Twitch even higher -- perhaps to an untenable degree. Other platforms, like YouTube, would almost certainly suffer as well. According to [Politico offshoot Protocol], House and Senate Judiciary Committees have agreed to package the streaming felony proposal with other controversial provisions that include the CASE act, which would establish a new court-like entity within the U.S. Copyright Office to resolve copyright disputes, and the Trademark Modernization Act, which would give the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office more flexibility to crack down on illegitimate claims from foreign countries.

It's not difficult to see why Tillis would push a proposal that benefits big companies in the entertainment industry to the detriment of regular people; The American Prospect points out that in the past couple years, Tillis' campaign committee and leadership received donations totaling out to well over $100,000 from PACs with ties to the Motion Picture Association, Sony Pictures, Universal Music Group, Comcast & NBC Universal, The Internet and Television Association, Salem Media Group, and Warner Music, among many others.

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Proposed US Law Could Slap Twitch Streamers With Felonies For Broadcasting Copyrighted Material

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  • Soon (Score:5, Funny)

    by Ol Olsoc ( 1175323 ) on Thursday December 10, 2020 @07:12PM (#60817674)
    At the rate that lawmakers are turning everything into felonies, pretty soon there won't be anything but felonies.
    • Re:Soon (Score:5, Funny)

      by Austerity Empowers ( 669817 ) on Thursday December 10, 2020 @07:20PM (#60817710)

      Buy stock in prison corps?

    • At the rate that lawmakers are turning everything into felonies, pretty soon there won't be anything but felonies.

      And it's not as if the prison system didn't have more people than the least populated US states.

      Quite honestly, I feel as if content creators need to band together and all post videos in a 24 hours period posting against this. During that 24 hours they should post nothing else. Once people see their whole stream for the day full of this they will notice. Something along the lines "All your favourite YouTubers could find themselves serving jail time, by accident".

      • And it's not as if the prison system didn't have more people than the least populated US states.

        Thats actually significantly underestimating just how many people are in prison.

        As of 2016 there was 2.3 million people incarcerated in the US, which would make it the 5th largest city in the US.

        Apparently the number has gone down a fair bit due to judicial pressure from rulings that find overcrowding to be cruel and unusual in an epidemic. This is a good thing btw, theres absolutely no reason for some guy who ju

    • Re:Soon (Score:5, Insightful)

      by s4080326 ( 5462622 ) on Thursday December 10, 2020 @10:53PM (#60818250)

      At the rate that lawmakers are turning everything into felonies, pretty soon there won't be anything but felonies.

      And with more felons you have less voters! perfect policy

    • When everything is a felony... then nothing will be.

    • by mark-t ( 151149 )

      Except for baselessly contesting election results.

      That will always be legal.

    • Re:Soon (Score:5, Insightful)

      by xlsior ( 524145 ) on Thursday December 10, 2020 @11:29PM (#60818308)

      At the rate that lawmakers are turning everything into felonies, pretty soon there won't be anything but felonies.

      Don't forget: When everyone is guilty of something, then you have the solid foundations of a dictatorship. It gives those in charge the unrestricted ability to have anyone who doesn't agree with them arrested -- after all, "they did break the law!"

      /Any law that 'everyone' breaks clearly does not reflect the will of the people, and ought to be questioned

      • You mean like federal cannabis prohibition...?
        • by Xenx ( 2211586 )
          Most people don't break that law. Not to say I think it shouldn't be legal, just that it's not a good example of what they said.
          • Most people don't violate these copyright laws either. There are large groups that do either, though, and when you combine that with an ever-increasing patchwork of laws, then eventually we get to the point where everybody is guilty of something. It's a slippery slope argument, yes, but it's also another notch on the totem pole, too.
  • by Cyberax ( 705495 ) on Thursday December 10, 2020 @07:19PM (#60817708)
    Streaming a song: felony. Shooting unarmed people: not even a misdemeanor.
    • This is outrageous. Where are the armed men who come in to take the streamers away? Where are they? This kind of behavior is never tolerated in Baraqua. You shout like that they put you in jail. Right away. No trial, no nothing. Journalists, we have a special jail for journalists. You are stealing: right to jail. You are playing music too loud: right to jail, right away. Driving too fast: jail. Slow: jail. You are charging too high prices for sweaters, glasses: you right to jail. You undercook fish? Believe
    • Streaming a song: felony. Shooting unarmed people: not even a misdemeanor.

      Streaming yourself while shooting unarmed people who are humming a song: Justifiable Homicide.

  • by Joe_Dragon ( 2206452 ) on Thursday December 10, 2020 @07:25PM (#60817724)

    felony offense = real court with jurys and rights you don't get in an civil trail

    • Oh, so it's ok then.
    • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Thursday December 10, 2020 @07:44PM (#60817792)
      three strikes laws take effect too. You could do life in Jail for streaming (not sure if that'll apply at fed level).

      Moreover it means plea deals. Almost nobody goes to court because the risk is too high. You never know what a jury will do. You might walk if they like you. If not you might do 5-10 for nothing. Doubly so if you're black, and you better believe law enforcement knows an easy target and a quick notch on their belt when they see one.
      • Moreover it means plea deals.

        You don't want to go to jail now do ya? Common we know you're working for Pewdiepie. Why defend him! Just sign this statement and this will all go away!

  • by h33t l4x0r ( 4107715 ) on Thursday December 10, 2020 @07:27PM (#60817738)
    Still ok.
  • by Joe_Dragon ( 2206452 ) on Thursday December 10, 2020 @07:28PM (#60817744)

    I call the game Dev's to the stand to answer questions.
    Ok then let's pub EA games on the stand to answer questions about the music rights they paid for the game if they covered streaming in them.

    If I buy an game an they say it's ok to do streaming then why am I being changed with an crime do them putting in 3rd party content does cover streaming?

  • YouTube has already obliterated fair use practically, this will eliminate it legally.
  • by Kelxin ( 3417093 ) on Thursday December 10, 2020 @07:33PM (#60817752)
    There are stronger laws against IP now than there are assault or sexual assault. We really need to take a step back and reign in the corporate powers in this country.
    • by Darinbob ( 1142669 ) on Thursday December 10, 2020 @08:33PM (#60817940)

      Because the copyright holders (who aren't the same as the creators) have more money to give to politicians than assault victims do. The copyright holders really don't care about the details, or whether someone actually was or was not infringing, they just see the big picture of "need to stop piracy by all possible means and collateral damage is acceptable". Profits override every other consideration. And both Republicans and Democrats are fully behind this anti-freedom movement, including the president and senators who campaign heavily on false "we will protect your freedom!" slogans.

    • Given that corporate lobby groups pretty much run the legislature, there's essentially zero chance that government will take a step towards curtailing corporate power and giving it back to civil institutions.

  • That will fix the problem 100%. Kill anyone playing music then it just can't be pirated.

    It's the only way.

    Meanwhile I will just finish listening to this Cattle Decapitation album on YouTube for fuckin' free. I feel so dirty now.

    • Ah, the Taliban method.
    • Just kill the music. Sure it will be harsh for music fans, but it will only be temporarily until the big publishers go bankrupt and die out, at which point we can reboot the system.

    • That will fix the problem 100%. Kill anyone playing music then it just can't be pirated.

      It's the only way.

      Meanwhile I will just finish listening to this Cattle Decapitation album on YouTube for fuckin' free. I feel so dirty now.

      Hasn't FarmCorp been using copyright to stop animal cruelty videos? sorry turn in your Cattle Decapitation album or face the music

  • by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 ) on Thursday December 10, 2020 @07:43PM (#60817784)

    Tillis' campaign committee and leadership received donations totaling out to well over $100,000 from PACs with ties to the Motion Picture Association, Sony Pictures, Universal Music Group, Comcast & NBC Universal, The Internet and Television Association, Salem Media Group, and Warner Music, among many others.

    Not defending waste-of-space Senator Thom Tillis (R- NC) but $100k is chump change in this context. Either he was already of the same mind as the media groups or he sells himself cheap.

    In addition, media companies might want to watch out for what they wish. If their media stops getting streamed, there will be less exposure and people might stop wanting and/or caring about what media companies are trying to sell. If you don't see/hear it, you won't miss it.

  • THIS is why lobbying needs to be outlawed. Who do these fucks work for? PROTIP: it's not us.
  • by magusxxx ( 751600 ) <magusxxx_2000 AT yahoo DOT com> on Thursday December 10, 2020 @07:54PM (#60817834)

    ...if a politician uses a song without the consent of the artist?

    Because that sure seems to have happened a lot over the past four years.

    • Sure, but he's rich. So he can post bail, wait for the court date without upending his life, and hire good lawyers.
    • Consent of the artist often doesn't matter, because the artists often don't have control over their own music. Of course, the actual copyright holder might complain if not being paid, but on the other hand it's not smart to demand that the dictator-in-chief pay up.

      • Sure it matters.The artist could say its defamation of character if a politician they hate implies they endorse them by using their music.

        • Using their music doesn't imply endorsement. Using the music is using the music. And most music is available via compulsory licensing mechanisms. That's why the artists scream rather than sue. And Twitch should also deal with this by paying the music licensing fees that are necessary so that streamers don't have to be lawyers.
    • by dryeo ( 100693 ) on Thursday December 10, 2020 @10:36PM (#60818228)

      It has been happening for more then the last four years. I remember Randy Bachman bitching about Republicans using Taking Care of Business without permission a decade or more back and how it was impossible to go after them as the actual companies would fold right after the election. Whole thing is crooked with the law makers busily breaking the laws with no consequences.

  • Come on guys (Score:5, Insightful)

    by youngone ( 975102 ) on Thursday December 10, 2020 @07:58PM (#60817838)

    It's currently being included in a must-pass spending bill.

    What? Why? That's a stupid way to run a country.

    Tillis' campaign committee and leadership received donations totaling out to well over $100,000 from PACs with ties to the Motion Picture Association, Sony Pictures, Universal Music Group, Comcast & NBC Universal, The Internet and Television Association, Salem Media Group, and Warner Music, among many others.

    Holy shit! That's even worse.
    Why do you allow your country to be run like that?

    • Because both political parties and the largest age group of voters still think the internet is just a fad.
    • Because elections are amazingly expensive. If they want to keep their cushy do-nothing jobs that require no actual thinking then they need lots and lots of money. Why do they insist that Trump won the election? Because they want to keep their cushy jobs! They not only sell out their votes, they sell out their souls as well.

      This is like the ending of The Magic Christian, where tons of cash is dropped into sewage and soon everyone is diving in to get some of it.

    • by Whibla ( 210729 )

      Not from the US, though I did live there for a couple of years

      It's currently being included in a must-pass spending bill.

      What? Why? That's a stupid way to run a country.

      Completely agree. Personally I'd be all in favour of tar & feathering </hyperbole> any and all senators, from either side of the aisle, who added completely unrelated items to bills. Ironically, separating those items out into individual bills would streamline the approval (or rejection) process, as well as making the system more transparent. Win / win, unless your intention is not to act in the best interests of your country.

      Tillis' campaign committee and leadership received donations totaling out to well over $100,000 from PACs with ties to the Motion Picture Association, Sony Pictures, Universal Music Group, Comcast & NBC Universal, The Internet and Television Association, Salem Media Group, and Warner Music, among many others.

      Holy shit! That's even worse.

      Why do you allow your country to be run like that?

      After the

    • After the past four years, do you REALLY think "oh my gosh, there's something silly in an omnibus bill" hits home with anyone? I mean the sitting president's lawyer suggested we might need to replace the FBI because they're corrupt... like a week or two ago. And THAT passed like a fart in a stiff breeze.

      Sure brah, omnibus legislation, that's super duper concerning, I totally have the mental energy to care about that right now, soon as I'm done contemplating the Supreme Court being asked to flip an electio

    • As an extension to your point in many saner countries its illegal for a spending bill to cover anything other than direct spending. That puts a quick stop to this kind of bullshit.

  • Too many laws, too many corrupt laws, and people will just ignore them.

    Unsorry, but the po-po has murders, rapes, and violent robberies and assaults to worry about. Protecting the RIAA's manufactured lah-dee-dahs is very low on the list of priorities.

  • Also this wingnut has 'proposed' stupid shit like this before apparently and has always been shot down. No one needs to get upset until someone actually puts it in a bill that's going to get voted on in Congress. All sorts of stupid, unworkable shit gets 'proposed' all the time in Congress.
  • by WindBourne ( 631190 ) on Thursday December 10, 2020 @09:02PM (#60818044) Journal
    Fact is, this shit will continue UNTIL we do 2 things:
    1) require states to use Ranked Candidate Voting.
    2) switch to public funding for campaigns.

    While I am not sure about the first, the second requires an amendment. Lessig's approach is probably the best one: every campaign cycle, either registered voter or citizen (not sure which), get a certain amount of money depending on federal races, say $2.5/5.0/10.0. This is split with $5 to the president, 2.50 to the senator, and 2.50 to the rep. The voter then decides to WHICH candidate (only those that they can vote for or write-in ) to give this to, allocating it as they see fit. No other $ is allocated and no other advertising is done EXCEPT by the candidate. This way, it blocks foreign government, rich ppl, businesses from controlling the politician. In addition, we can see how they spend OUR $. If they are smart, they will wait until fairly close to the election. Note that while you can not give other $ to a politician, you are free to go and help campaign for anybody.
  • This should be a civil, not a criminal, issue.

  • The bill criminalizes unauthorized streaming services, not adding music to your twitch stream.

    Read the actual law before you post these ridiculous statements.

  • Always have been, always will be.
  • Felonies are usually reserved for severe crimes. You name them, I don't have time. But serious stuff.

    The crime here is using somebody else's content, which is not nearly the same as murdering someone or stealing cars or all the other sorts of felonies. So now they want to equate misusing a song to killing someone? How are these crimes even remotely similar? And if they are not, which they aren't, how can the classification and presumably punishment be similar?

    Makes NO sense.

    What would make sense is a

  • "... Not the greatest country in the world. ..."

    That famous speach from that TV series? Spot on.

    Being a former US citizen and having lived most of my life in (Western) Germany, having family in the US and watching with interest what's going on with you guys it's becoming more and more evident to me that the US will have to redo their nation from the bottom up. A bit like post war Germany. There is so much fundamentally wrong with the system and its getting worse as we speak. Electoral system, education, health care, penal system, welfare, all-out corporate socialism presented and sold as capitalism... It's all a bizarr train wreck and that cold hard fact is slowly drawing on the people. I so hope that you guys can do this halfway peacefully and without another civil war and that the States can engage in a healthy peaceful competition like that federal states in Germany today.

    I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

    • When I left the US Army back in the early 1970s we had the option to be discharged in Europe if we were stationed there. Top two on my list were Denmark and (then-Western) Germany.

      I frequently wonder if I should have stayed. My German was passable, and I could have picked up Danish in one of their immersion schools.

      The most democratic country I know of is Germany, where the variety of parties allow voters to choose between more options for the Bundestag (legislature) than which wing of the DemoPublican pa

  • More proof that "Introducing Neals" in many ways was a prophetic warning from his holiness, YTCracker. Maybe its time to start limiting PACs and other dirty money in politics. And, of course, to neuter the copyright lobby.
  • Kim Jong-un approves
  • It is hard to counter any argument that the media actually, legit, seriously runs this country and continually tries to expand and cement their power over it.

    If you're a political candidate the media doesn't like, expect to get your house torched by the mob. Criticise the media under your real name, bam, you're a conspiracy theorist now, expect your accounts be terminated and if you persist, your house torched by the mob.

    " All within the media, nothing outside the media, nothing against the media." would a

  • by Solandri ( 704621 ) on Friday December 11, 2020 @04:35AM (#60818720)
    In the restaurant, bar, and performance venue industry, the business simply pays an annual fee [restaurant.org] for a blanket license to all music [ascap.com]. The cost varies with the amount of seating, but for the typical restaurant it's about $200-$500/yr. This allows them to play mood music over the interior speakers, and have live performances by bands playing covers. (The bands usually pay their own license fee too, the venue just likes to have their own license in case a band is negligent and hasn't paid.)

    What we need is a law to force the music industry to offer a similar blanket licensing to streamers and YouTube/Vimeo/etc. content creators. It's been some 15 years since video sharing sites became a thing, and the music industry shows zero interest in doing this on their own. They're gonna have to be dragged kicking and screaming into it.
  • I see a day when people start to use music based on compositions from Baroque- and Classical-era composers. Totally fair use. Maybe some type of depository for music based on those composers to be uploaded free of any license, and use of these tracks could be prima facie evidence that there has been no copyright violation. That wouldn't solve everything, but it would be a start.

  • First of all, making a civil matter a felony is insane.

    Secondly, if we're going this route could you make falsly reporting copyright infringement a felony as well?

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