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Six Reasons Why Google Maps Is the Creepiest App On Your Phone (vice.com) 121

VICE has highlighted six reasons why Google Maps is the creepiest app on your phone. An anonymous reader shares an excerpt from the report: 1. Google Maps Wants Your Search History: Google's "Web & App Activity" settings describe how the company collects data, such as user location, to create a faster and "more personalized" experience. In plain English, this means that every single place you've looked up in the app -- whether it's a strip club, a kebab shop or your moped-riding drug dealer's location -- is saved and integrated into Google's search engine algorithm for a period of 18 months. Google knows you probably find this creepy. That's why the company uses so-called "dark patterns" -- user interfaces crafted to coax us into choosing options we might not otherwise, for example by highlighting an option with certain fonts or brighter colors.

2. Google Maps Limits Its Features If You Don't Share Your Search History: If you open your Google Maps app, you'll see a circle in the top right corner that signifies you're logged in with your Google account. That's not necessary, and you can simply log out. Of course, the log out button is slightly hidden, but can be found like this: click on the circle > Settings > scroll down > Log out of Google Maps. Unfortunately, Google Maps won't let you save frequently visited places if you're not logged into your Google account. If you choose not to log in, when you click on the search bar you get a "Tired of typing?" button, suggesting you sign in, and coaxing you towards more data collection.

3. Google Maps Can Snitch On You: Another problematic feature is the "Google Maps Timeline," which "shows an estimate of places you may have been and routes you may have taken based on your Location History." With this feature, you can look at your personal travel routes on Google Maps, including the means of transport you probably used, such as a car or a bike. The obvious downside is that your every move is known to Google, and to anyone with access to your account. And that's not just hackers -- Google may also share data with government agencies such as the police. [...] If your "Location History" is on, your phone "saves where you go with your devices, even when you aren't using a specific Google service," as is explained in more detail on this page. This feature is useful if you lose your phone, but also turns it into a bonafide tracking device.

4. Google Maps Wants to Know Your Habits: Google Maps often asks users to share a quick public rating. "How was Berlin Burger? Help others know what to expect," suggests the app after you've picked up your dinner. This feels like a casual, lighthearted question and relies on the positive feeling we get when we help others. But all this info is collected in your Google profile, making it easier for someone to figure out if you're visiting a place briefly and occasionally (like on holiday) or if you live nearby.

5. Google Maps Doesn't Like It When You're Offline: Remember GPS navigation? It might have been clunky and slow, but it's a good reminder that you don't need to be connected to the internet to be directed. In fact, other apps offer offline navigation. On Google, you can download maps, but offline navigation is only available for cars. It seems fairly unlikely the tech giant can't figure out how to direct pedestrians and cyclists without internet.

6. Google Makes It Seem Like This Is All for Your Own Good: "Providing useful, meaningful experiences is at the core of what Google does," the company says on its website, adding that knowing your location is important for this reason. They say they use this data for all kinds of useful things, like "security" and "language settings" -- and, of course, selling ads. Google also sells advertisers the possibility to evaluate how well their campaigns reached their target (that's you!) and how often people visited their physical shops "in an anonymized and aggregated manner". But only if you opt in (or you forget to opt out).

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Six Reasons Why Google Maps Is the Creepiest App On Your Phone

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  • Yes but... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Compuser ( 14899 ) on Thursday November 12, 2020 @08:18PM (#60717848)

    Google maps is also the only truly irreplaceable Google app. I have found good replacements for most of their apps but nothing matches google maps.
    They provide maps themselves which are about as good as many competitors (like magic earth or here or bing).
    They provide point to point directions which are again competitive but not immensely better than competition. Except the app tells you real time info too so it tells you about accidents and speed traps en route and these updates are the best in class imho.
    They also provide local business information which is unmatched. The info is updated quickly even when the business moves, their business hours are typically available, the app reminds you if holidays might affect these hours and nowadays you can quickly look up related info like whether a cafe allows dine-in. You can even get some business reviews in one convenient place.
    I wish someone would step up and make a competitor, paid or free. So far, nobody else comes close on all the features.

    • Maps and YouTube for me. If it isn't porn or illegal then you can probably find it on YouTube. No other sites like that.
      • NewPipe [f-droid.org] is so much better than the YouTube app for accessing YouTube.

        • I really love NewPipe. Unfortunately devs can't keep up with changes to the YouTube web UI, and this causes that NewPipe has a tendency to break and stay broken for several days (sometimes even weeks).

    • Nothing costs nothing.

      There's an interesting parable for this in modern fiction,,, a warren in Watership Down where the rabbits get fed every day in exchange for the occasional harvesting, by snare, of a rabbit needed for meat.

      No big deal, the bloody price of a full belly.

      • by Compuser ( 14899 )

        It's not about price. I wish there were a paid competitor app with same class performance. For that matter, I would gladly pay google for an app which was independently audited and known to collect no data and I would be tempted to pay a premium if the app did not depend on gapps at all, not even pico.
        As it currently stands, I am sort of fine running maps in incognito mode but wish I could dump google altogether.

        • "Not collecting data" is a contradiction in what makes the app effective in the first place. In aggregate as well as singular is what makes it useful. The reason there's not a competitor (free, or otherwise) is because they would have to do the same thing Google is doing and collect data.

          • by Shaitan ( 22585 )

            They wouldn't have to keep it human readable and monetize it in the manner Google does only the app itself needs to be able to read the data and they wouldn't need anywhere near as much data for legitimate functionality.

          • by Compuser ( 14899 )

            This is why you need an on-going auditing service - to make sure that all the data that goes in is erased as soon as possible, not retained, not analyzed, not shared, and not aggregated in any way.

    • I've never left Google Maps on a phone, so I don't know whether or not I would use those features.
      Maybe I'm not typical--I've worked from home for years, so I normally don't need information on the go.
      Logging in to a Google account (something I don't have) sounds like a high price to pay for so many things you can do without it.
      I do install OsmAnd~, [f-droid.org] and that's more than enough map info for me.

      • ... install OsmAnd~, [f-droid.org] and that's more than enough map info for me.

        Same. AOSP on my daily android telephone, no Play store or Google services. Heavy mapping done non-google via OsmAnd~ [f-droid.org] off the f-droid store. Offline North America, Asia-Pacific & Europe maps loaded. Good topo maps. Walking, bike & car navigation routing.

        A bit less polish, sure, but honestly seems like a more powerful mapping tool. And for the odd, one-off occasion I want Streetview, or Google navigation routes... opening an incognito browser tab is dead-simple.

      • Re:Yes but... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by apoc.famine ( 621563 ) <apoc...famine@@@gmail...com> on Friday November 13, 2020 @01:24AM (#60718554) Journal

        Maybe I'm not typical--I've worked from home for years, so I normally don't need information on the go.

        MAYBE you're not typical?

        Damn, you're about the most atypical person I've heard about in years.

        Before Covid (the new BC) I used to travel about every other month. I'd land in a new city, grab a cab to the hotel, and fire up Google Maps to see the route. It would show me the fastest route, as well as a couple of others. It would also show me roads closed for construction, traffic jams, etc. Almost always my cab driver was good at their job, and knew how to avoid the crap and take the quickest rout there. When they were trying to scam me, it was evident.

        If I wanted to take public transportation, google maps was there. It showed me connections, prices, etc.

        I detest tracking and all the scary information gathering that google does, but their mapping is the best in the world. Before I hit a new city I google stuff I'm interested in, and I can bookmark it on my map. Then when I'm out walking or taking public transportation I can get directions there if I want. (I generally would rather wander towards where I'm going, but to each their own.) It's fantastic to be able to have a personalized map of what I want to visit, with a real-time marker of where I'm at so I can see how far it is and where I need to go to find it.

        Google is absolutely terrifying on the privacy standpoint, but what they offer for their mapping can't be matched by 3-4 other services in conjunction. If you don't need it, that's awesome. Opt out. But if you travel, you probably need it.

        • Re:Yes but... (Score:5, Interesting)

          by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Friday November 13, 2020 @06:04AM (#60718908) Homepage Journal

          TFA is stupid anyway. What a shock that using cloud services means you need an account. You can turn stuff like your timeline history off. I keep it off most of the time but enable it for trips so I can retrace my steps to interesting places.

          Maps also has an incognito mode you can switch to even if you are logged in.

          My main criticism of it is that the app is rather heavy. Even on a flagship phone it's not the fastest thing to open or navigate. The web version is slow too. My Maps really need some love and custom POIs are pretty basic.

        • by Shaitan ( 22585 )

          I'm sorry but it isn't him who is atypical. Who travels around in meatspace anymore? A lot of people used to do that for work back before they could save thousands with teleconferences and remote access to equipment.

          Apple isn't really better from a privacy standpoint, they just want to front like they are better which is why they act all strong about encryption at the device level but not on their cloud where the data aggregates.

      • and this, on a Fairphone with /e/ OS on it, so android but just no google apps. That's not so difficult, the /e/ Fairphone comes with everything preinstalled, doesn't cost more than ordinary smartphones, and with very reasonably strong technical features (processor, mem, cam...)
        https://esolutions.shop/shop/e... [esolutions.shop]
        But I used OsmAnd way before getting the Fairphones indeed.

    • Re: Yes but... (Score:4, Informative)

      by triffid_98 ( 899609 ) on Thursday November 12, 2020 @09:20PM (#60718026)
      Good thing Waze is an up and comer offering...oh wait no, Google already acquired that, plus they still get location data anyhow (They're no longer very subtle about it, since they ask me about places I've been that I didn't navigate to)

      Garmin or TomTom perhaps?
      • by Shaitan ( 22585 )

        Use whichever, it doesn't matter. Just stop carrying your phone on your body and it stops being a tracking device. Leave it on your desk at home or in the door pocket in the car when you do navigate somewhere. When 99% of the time the phone is dumped at a stationary location the data doesn't reveal nearly as much, even if you do take it with you the 1% of the time you actually need it.

        • Pay telephones are no longer a thing...also I'm on call this week
          • by Shaitan ( 22585 )

            Yeah but do you really need a phone so often as all that? As for being on call, sure, they can provide a phone for on call periods but if you can't go about your normal routine with a backup to cover any periods where you aren't available they actually have to pay you for the entire period you were on call... and then what, you'll probably say your abusive employer has you on salary. Did you know Verizon got nailed for over $1B in a class action for not paying tech workers overtime in a binding ruling for t

            • They certainly *can* do those things but as a salaried employee in my home state (CA) they are by no means obligated to.
              • by Shaitan ( 22585 )

                That is what I'm saying, they ARE obligated to, they just aren't and are burying the legal precedent. Of course collecting would mean suing which also is a career ending move.

    • I wonder how many alternatives you've looked at. Personally, I wasn't a fan of Google Maps for navigation so it was an app I quickly looked to replace. Magic Earth is a very similar, though less cluttered (and less creepy) experience. Magic Earth performs the same functions, but I find it easier to use than Google's app. I've also been really happy with Here Maps on other platforms. Not only is Google Maps replaceable, there are better alternatives which is why I haven't used it in nearly five years.
    • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

      Not google maps, nothing special there. Google street view, now that is worthwhile, you can see where you are going and where you will park. For me the only thing keeping in going but now there is https://map.baidu.com/@1218916... [baidu.com] and https://yandex.com/maps/?l=stv... [yandex.com], lack coverage and not as good but more mapping services are doing street view.

      Youtube is not as good as https://www.bitchute.com/ [bitchute.com] due to mass corporate driven censorship on Youtube making the services nothing but a short advertisiment progra

    • by fermion ( 181285 )
      Google maps are better at international. Apple Maps is good at real time in devoted places. I noticed Google maps, and really all Google services, makes it very hard to log out and stay logged out. The value they provide is falling well below the opportunity costs.
    • I use OsmAnd (on an ungoogled phone with microG). It is not awesome as maps is, but it does the job pretty well.

      • Re: Yes but... (Score:4, Insightful)

        by BAReFO0t ( 6240524 ) on Friday November 13, 2020 @07:08AM (#60718978)

        Wat? Where do you live?

        Here in Germany, OSMand is MUCH better.
        Much much *much* more map details. (Hell, even thrash cans and park benches etc in my city!)
        Much much *much* more features.
        Offline. THE killer feature.

        What does Google offer? Advantage through creepiness?
        All I can see that it does more, is photos of people's gardens and windows and knowing when shops will be full because it literally SPIES on where people walk and snitches on you to ALL the people.

        Of course one could also make a panel pop up when you tap a business in OSM, to contain infos scraped from the business's website. But why would I want it? I can enter "$shop" into the search myself, And Google's is often wrong or outdated.
        And reviews? Come on! Stop trusting random "people" (and their bots) on the Internet! The only reviews worth a damn are those of people you know personally.

        • Offline. THE killer feature.

          Google maps works offline. Just hit the "download offline maps" button.

          Also offline isn't even remotely a killer feature. In fact it very much makes a GPS the same dumb shitty crap we had in our cars back 20 years ago. *online* was the killer feature. So much so that even frigging Tomtoms these days come with WiFi / Bluetooth / Sim cards.

          I mean I guess maybe you like instructions like "In 200m turn right into the road closed by construction works", or "Stay on the A1 for 5 minutes to 1 hour, I don't fucking

    • Re:Yes but... (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Carewolf ( 581105 ) on Friday November 13, 2020 @04:33AM (#60718812) Homepage

      Here Maps has better maps and navigation. TripAdvisor has better business suggestions.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        I tried Hear Maps just now but it's crap.

        I started by zooming in on Japan and found that it only had a basic outline of major roads, so completely useless there.

        Switched to the UK and zoomed in again. I can see house numbers but can't click on them to navigate to them. Searching is extremely low quality, it's not like Google where you can just put in a business name of a phone number and it figured it out. You have to put in an address.

        The routes it picked seemed similar Google, didn't seem any better. Walk

        • You have to download the maps you need. It is an offline map solution.

          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            I tried the web version. I like to plan routes on my nice big screen and then send them to my phone. Or find POIs and manage all my data online and have it synced automatically.

            • Ok, never tried it for that. I only use it as a GPS. They use the same data many of the big cars use for their internal systems, so it has all the bells and whistles.

              No idea if the web-version is any good though.

    • Noone is going to be able to compete with Google's huge database of information entered by its users... unless EU or some other government body forces them by law to share this database. In my opinion, information created by users in the fashion it is collected by Google Maps should be obligatorily made public domain.
    • Important point. It tracks spooks, the police and very important people as well. When the phones call mothership, that data can be intercepted by people who are good at their jobs. So far no press office has printed which politicians frequent strip joints of mistresses, but it would not be that hard. Really no different from fitness trackers. There are some apps to spoof your real location, but we don't know if Google has superior lower level calls to get around that. Telcos with engineer software can easil
    • If you're correct, then it sounds rather discouraging.

      Even if there was an alternative, what about an off ramp? How can I get my personal data to a new map system. Perhaps more importantly, is there any reason to believe that the google hasn't kept a copy?

      For what little it is worth, I have raised this portability with a number of alternatives to google services. So far I've heard lots of reasons or excuses why none of them want to touch the idea in any ways. However I think the only way to pretend any owne

    • Irreplaceable? Seriously, have I stumbled into some weird kind of parallel dimension where OSMand hasn't been invented yet?
      Every time I have to use Google Maps I feel like going back to Playboy. Dirty hairy caveman Playboy. How can you people live like this?

    • by Baleet ( 4705757 )
      I agree totally except for one thing: I don't care if anyone makes a competitor; I am fine with Google Maps as it is. Privacy is a thing of the past, and that is too bad in some ways, but in others it isn't. I no longer need someone to provide an alibi if a hated enemy is murdered and I am home alone at the time of death. Google will provide my alibi! Of course my client was home along, your honor. He never drives anywhere without using Maps, and his phone was in his home and turned on, as it is 24 hours a
    • With you here. Nothing I have used has been able to replace Maps.
      I just use my browser for YouTube.
  • Back when their attitude was 'do no evil' a great motto to lure in suckers.

    • Oh come on, they barely changed at all!

      All they did is move ONE letter!

      Back then: Do No Evil.
      Now: O No! DEvil!

  • Maybe I'm just old (Score:4, Insightful)

    by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Thursday November 12, 2020 @08:29PM (#60717876)
    but I remember when this kind of software and hardware was too expensive for me to afford, and it's not just because tech's gotten better either.

    I trade my policy for thousands and thousands of dollars of free software. As somebody who's perennially broke thanks to a shit economy that never gets better (thanks! trickle down economics) some bad life choices on my part and some bad life choices on my family's part that's a fair trade.

    I mean, we constantly worry about Google oppressing us and kinda sorta ignore all the other big corporations that have been doing it much, much more effectively since the 70s.
    • by chihowa ( 366380 )

      some bad life choices on my part

      That seem to continue to this day in the form of undervaluing your privacy (and who knows what else) by selling yourself cheap to giant corporations in exchange for shiny baubles. There are all sorts of things that are too expensive to afford and you'd be just fine without the overwhelming majority of them if you weren't so fixated on consumer garbage.

  • by davecb ( 6526 ) <davecb@spamcop.net> on Thursday November 12, 2020 @08:35PM (#60717896) Homepage Journal

    I happily use the non-free version of maps.me, to support efforts to use Open Street Map in place of "giggle". Google has been and often is brilliant, but the founders have left.

    Lobotomy.

    • I happily use the non-free version of maps.me, to support efforts to use Open Street Map in place of "giggle".
      Google has been and often is brilliant, but the founders have left.

      Lobotomy.

      I've got some room (micro sd cards) on some $50 GPS enabled (no cell or data) 7-10 in tablets I own.

          I just download a ton of maps from OSM ahead of time.

    • I've found that Moovit often works better for finding public transit directions, ymmv.
      • by davecb ( 6526 )

        Thanks, I just tried it, and it's very good for finding a way. I don't see a support option, so I assume it's financially supported by uber/lyft et all.

        For other things, I do like maps.me: because my wife is a bird-watcher, I really appreciate something that works when I'm out of range of a cell tower.

    • OSMand is better, to be frank. Also has a paying option for support reasons AFAIK.

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Thursday November 12, 2020 @08:48PM (#60717926)
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    • An app like google maps is expensive, I don't need to list all the costs here, you're all smart enough. The alternative is either a paid app, probably a subscription (or buy a GPS device for a hundred bucks).

      Aren't they also getting paid by the advertisers on Google Maps? Namely all the businesses that pay to have their shops listed and highlighted.

    • by BAReFO0t ( 6240524 ) on Friday November 13, 2020 @06:51AM (#60718958)

      Tell me again how OpenStreetMaps is expensive.

      Also, I can go without expensive, when it means feeding the data kraken with our abuse.

  • Is amazon making a maps app? Their delivery vehicles could map the roads.

    • A good maps app is more than just streets. It takes lots of human input. For example, can Apple Maps tell you where the entrance of an unfamiliar store is? Can it tell you the hours of operation for a mom-and-pop shop? Can it tell you where the parking garage entrance is in an urban area? Can a regular user report a map issue (like failing to know about a no-left-turn corner)?

      As beautiful as Apple Maps is, it just can't compete with the rich set of data provided by Google Maps.

      • *laughing in OpenStreetMaps*

        Dude, Google Maps is a complete joke! How bad must Apple Maps be, if you say it is even worse?

        • I don't know where you live, but where I live, Google Maps is pretty darn good. I just tell it where I want to go, and it takes me there. If Google Maps doesn't know about a business, I probably don't know about the business. And yes, Apple Maps has far, far less detail.

    • Why do you want to make the world even worse??

  • re: #2 If you aren't logged in, how is it going to store anything in a way that you can retrieve it? re: #5 google downloads the map tiles on demand, so of course it doesn't work if you are not online. re: #3 google timeline is something that can be disabled. You can argue about if it should be on by default or not, but I'd bet that if it was offered as an opt-in feature (described as being able to track your location history, find your phone if you lose it, etc), 99% of people would opt in The rest is j
    • If you don't want to be tracked, leave the phone at home. It's still legal to not have one. My favorite map is the Washington Atlas and Gazetteer. There is probably one for your state too. And for a bonus feature it works even out of cell phone range. For an extra bonus, the batteries never run out.

    • #5 there is a offline maps feature, just download them when online and you are golden. The navigation part though might be right.
  • by surfdaddy ( 930829 ) on Thursday November 12, 2020 @09:21PM (#60718030)

    Many of those items are true.
    But the comment on where you've been - your wireless provider already knows where you've been and all of the wireless companies have direct portals to sell that data to the police.
    Note that Google does NOT sell your data to other companies. What they do is put you into advertising buckets like "Likes hamburger joints" or "Lives in Clark County", etc. so that they can sell targeted advertising. And Google has been much better about protecting your privacy than countless other companies that have leaked data. My personal data has been leaked by UCLA, Target, Home Depot, Bebe, TMobile, Verizon - to name only a few.

  • If you have nothing to fear then you clearly and objectively have nothing to hide and don't need 'privacy'!
    You're selfish and anti-social if you want privacy!
    Normal, well-adjusted people are open and friendly and helpful to others, why would you want to selfishly hide things?
    Are you a criminal? A Bad Person? Only Bad People want to hide things from everyone else! You don't want to be a Bad Person, do you?
    </SARCASM>

    To you kids out there who are too young to know any better: that is more-or-less w
  • by Tony Isaac ( 1301187 ) on Thursday November 12, 2020 @11:13PM (#60718280) Homepage

    Big companies like Google are heavily scrutinized. Reporters go sniffing around for issues, broadcasting them to the world. Governments (not just the US) pry for foul play as well. I'd rather trust my data to a company like that, than a small outfit that nobody has heard of, that can hide behind its office walls.

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      • See above. Again, Google's use of my data is highly scrutinized. That includes the ways in which they make my data available to others.

        Advertisers don't get my information, what they get is a way to target ads based on a profile. But they don't actually get a data dump that says who I am and where I live. How can I be sure? Two ways. First, I've had employers who used Google data, I know what kind of data Google offers them. Second, if Google literally handed over information about you, it wouldn't be just

  • It's a nuisance, it's way more convenient to have everything turned on, but yeah, it's super creepy. I'd rather deal with the hassle.

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Friday November 13, 2020 @12:58AM (#60718506)
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    • by Mouldy ( 1322581 )
      Mod parent up. This is an obvious hit piece designed to generate clicks


      If the journalists at VICE actually cared, they could provide a better write up that explains the issues with free map services in general and do some research into a bunch of map services to properly compare them. Crapping all over google maps is just trading on google's name to generate interest in VICE's crappy clickbait.

      Maybe if VICE wrote about the actual issues, it might be more obvious to spot the hypocrisy. VICE's own web
    • THIS! TFS basically just described hating the best features that Google Maps offers and the only thing which actually sets it apart from literally any other service.

      Hey VICE, If you don't like it, don't fucking use it. But God just spare us your whining.

    • I am always amazed at the people who hate timeline. I understand that some people want to opt out, but there are people who seem angry at its very existence. As someone who has to document travel (and has a poor short-term memory), I find myself using it almost daily. I also use it simply as way of keeping a journal, if I go on a personal trip I can look back and see what I did each day. It might actually be my favorite google product, especially as search grows worse and worse each passing year.
  • by itsme1234 ( 199680 ) on Friday November 13, 2020 @03:38AM (#60718746)

    No, really, I might be pissing against the wind here but I do find REALLY useful what they provide. Yes, from the "I know where you've been last night " (or last summer) in the timeline to the "you visited this on this and that date", to know if this is the place I'm looking for or not. Yes, it even tells you when setting a destination if you've been there before or not (and when, and even if it's been multiple times all the dates). This is incredibly useful in both ways (to go to the place you want because you've been there already or to not go anymore because you've been there already and you don't want to go the second time).

    Getting the right result when typing a destination after 1-2 letters because it watches your Chrome search history is also nice.

    Ever since ~2001 when telecom providers in the EU were forced to keep your metadata I was very pissed YOU (as in the customer itself) couldn't get it, you couldn't even PAY for it. I started at some point to keep GPS logs myself but there is no system to manage and use them in a meaningful fashion if you have logs long-term, everything is around having some tracks from a limited period, like one hour or day, MAYBE a week - for more they become completely useless.

    In short I appreciate and DO use all (all that I know of) features. I am well aware of the privacy implications and I do know a thing or two about security and privacy. My PGP key comes from before the days when PGP was exported via paper printouts. And I did live in a "Stasi country" for a few decades. I know about Geo-fence warrants and everything. But this is my compromise. I DO want the functionality.

  • by nagora ( 177841 ) on Friday November 13, 2020 @05:04AM (#60718846)

    OsmAnd+ works well, doesn't need a data link while in use, and doesn't report back to bastards.

  • by misnohmer ( 1636461 ) on Friday November 13, 2020 @06:36AM (#60718940)

    A while back when trying to install Google Maps on a BlackBerry Android phone, blackberry offered additional monitoring of apps. I noticed google maps wanted access to microphone, so I dug into their EULA. I found an interesting tidbit which said I agree to Google Maps to enable my microphone at any time to record what they termed "ambient noise". Denying the app access to microphone caused it to fail starting up.

  • Note: I do not have an Android phone, so the below comments are for those that aren't in the security hazard zone of the Android Play store.

    Honestly: Of all the software companies in the world, I feel that Google has done the best to protect my data. Is there any particular event that occurred that should make me worry about them having access to my personal data?

    I use Google Maps on my phone and find it invaluable. I also use gmail for my email. I really want to know what Google has done to make indivi

  • by BAReFO0t ( 6240524 ) on Friday November 13, 2020 @06:46AM (#60718950)

    1. You know Google Maps still uses GPS, right? There ain't no wifi out it the boondocks!

    2. On what planet is GPS "clunky and slow"? All connecting online normally does, is sync the latest A-GPS data! You can do that from many sources, you know? And you can go offline again right after that.

    3. It is only stupid systems like Google Maps that don't even let you download the maps for offline usage. As if fast moving cars, remote locations and fast Internet ever were a realistic match... What were they thinking? ... Oh, right: DATA KRAKEN MUST FEED!

    4. How the hell have you never even heard of OpenStreetMap or OSMand?? It's *the* standard open mapping and navigation app, and so freaking much better than Google Maps, it's not even funny! In my city, every last park bench and thrashcan is in there. It's full of info that Google Maps does not and will never contain. And our public transport's official app integrates with it. Plus more useful features and options that one can imagine. (Also, don't forget Mapillary, the open StreetView equivalent, which is still relatively new.) The only thing Google has over it, is the massive amounts of criminally obtained money (I consider advertisement to be legalized institutionalized mass-fraud.) to have access to satellite and plane imagery and cars driving through every town to take photos through people's private windows and of their gardens. Buut OSM at least integrates Bing's satellite imagery source, and some say, with a bit of trickery, can easily be made to use Google's satellite imagery too, even offline if you limit your area or have massive heaps of storage. (I used a script to pull all the tiles I needed. Took about an evening, testing included.)

    TL;DR: [Black souther lady voice] Dear so-called author: You need Jesus^WOpenStreetMap in your life!

    • It is only stupid systems like Google Maps that don't even let you download the maps for offline usage.

      Yeah it does.

      Another ignorant post brought to you by BAReFO0t

  • I can't live without the traffic feature of Maps, if they wouldn't know where we are on the streets, it wouldn't work, so please shut the fuck up BeauHD.

  • by JustAnotherOldGuy ( 4145623 ) on Friday November 13, 2020 @10:41AM (#60719458) Journal

    When I turn on the "No Root" firewall app on my phone I get an endless stream of notifications that Google wants to phone home.

    Every google app wants to contact a server about every 5 seconds, along with all of the other various apps both built-in and added. And they never stop, just over and over and over.

    Gee, google, did you ever think that maybe I don't want that? Of course you did; you just don't care.

  • One app worth considering is maps.me. It is offline first and leverages OpenStreetMap for its data. Sure, it isn’t as full featured as Google Maps, but at least it is not intent on tracking you.

    BTW it does provide limited ability to update OpenStreetMap data, allowing to correct building addresses for example.

    • Yep, that's what I use when abroad too.

      Roaming data charges? Nope.

      Do I trust Google? Nope.

      Can I think far enough ahead to download maps of the countries I am going to, as well as neighbouring ones and ones I'm travelling through? Yep.

      It's not a difficult choice.

  • Once I wanted to know the distance, roughly, from a distant city to my hometown, so I just entered the city and town names into Google Maps. Then, just for fun, I looked at what Maps had chosen as the exact destination. The center of town? No. The meandering route took a turn off the main highway onto a side road. It passed my grandfather's house where I lived until age 5. Then passed within a block of my parents' house, and ended at a now-vacant lot where we used to play baseball. And I wasn't logge
  • Google Maps misguided me to narrow lanes where my car wouldn't fit;
    Many times I missed my flight while self-driving to Airport;

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