Trump Administration Says Huawei, Hikvision Backed By Chinese Military (reuters.com) 182
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: The Trump administration has determined that top Chinese firms, including telecoms equipment giant Huawei Technologies and video surveillance company Hikvision, are owned or controlled by the Chinese military, laying the groundwork for new U.S. financial sanctions, according to a document seen by Reuters on Wednesday. The list of 20 companies that Washington alleges are backed by the People's Liberation Army also includes China Mobile Communications Group and China Telecommunications Corp as well as aircraft manufacturer Aviation Industry Corp of China.
The designations were drawn up by the Defense Department, which was mandated by a 1999 law to compile a list of firms "owned or controlled" by the People's Liberation Army that provide commercial services, manufacture, produce or export. The Pentagon's designations do not trigger sanctions, but the law says the president may declare a national emergency which would allow him to penalize any companies on the list that operate in the United States.
The designations were drawn up by the Defense Department, which was mandated by a 1999 law to compile a list of firms "owned or controlled" by the People's Liberation Army that provide commercial services, manufacture, produce or export. The Pentagon's designations do not trigger sanctions, but the law says the president may declare a national emergency which would allow him to penalize any companies on the list that operate in the United States.
Who thinks any company in China lacks government? (Score:5, Insightful)
It's been obvious for a very long time, that any company has if not strong ties to the Chinese government, at least the potential that at any time the government can come in make them do anything, at any time.
So why is what Trump said even controversial? How is this news at all?
There is nothing controversial (Score:3)
Re:There is nothing controversial (Score:4, Insightful)
This whole Huawei thing could just be a ploy to ensure US-backed spying is preinstalled.
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It seems mostly a sop to the US telecom companies who are technologically moribund while Huawei has created the standards for the next two generations of communications.
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So why is what Trump said even controversial?
There are those would would question the foundations of mathematics if Trump were to say 1+1=2.
Re: Who thinks any company in China lacks governme (Score:2)
Orange man bad?
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It's controversial because when you point out that say Boeing has strong ties to the US government or that Cisco is the NSA's bitch people get all upset about it.
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It's been obvious for a very long time, that any company has if not strong ties to the Chinese government, at least the potential that at any time the government can come in make them do anything, at any time.
So why is what Trump said even controversial? How is this news at all?
It's been obvious for a very long time, that any company in the US installs spyware in their products for military and economic espionage at the behest of the US government because the US government can come in make them do anything, at any time using national secure laws.
All of this a matter of public record so why is it controversial that other countries don't want to use US equipment for secure systems or systems that contain trade secrets? Now remind us, why should we use US tech any more than Chinese
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Because we're in "anything Trump says is wrong" times, so people are trying to cope with the cognitive dissonance of him saying something obvious and right and yet still they try to figure out how to spin that it's wrong.
Re:As if InQTel doesn't have US tech investments? (Score:4)
Re:As if InQTel doesn't have US tech investments? (Score:4, Insightful)
Any US based company is just one NSL away from doing the bidding of the US govt.
Ask Lavabit if you don't believe it.
So how is any US company different from what Trump's accusations?
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Re:As if InQTel doesn't have US tech investments? (Score:5, Insightful)
Any US based company is just one NSL away from doing the bidding of the US govt.
Ask Lavabit if you don't believe it.
Even the NSLs have a minimal form of due process. They have been clearly debated in congress and they have widespread effective support. You can appeal to the courts which are still largely independent. This is far from perfect, it's clear that it makes the USA far less free and fair than, for example, Scandinavian countries, but it is sill a long way from the way that similar things work in China.
So how is any US company different from what Trump's accusations?
To understand the difference, look at the recent Bolton book. There's no way that could be published in China. There's no question that it makes it 100% clear Trump is unfit to govern (if Bolton can say that then what would someone decent say?). Try publishing something like that about Xi in China and you will find out how re-education works in China.
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"when gov't is just a customer of the company they can't dictate product decisions, like including back donors into encrypted cellphones."
What gave you that idea? Of course they can. Just look what happened to QWest. Never forget. Except you apparently have already. If you cannot remember the lessons of history...
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You do know that regulation is a thing, right? Or are you somehow delusional enough to think that it's only China that requires lawful intercept provisions to be made by telecommunications companies? About the only thing you've managed to even get half right is the dictation of behaviour - when the party does their 5 year strategic plans, there's often a flurry of new national research projects that instead of being awarded on a selection basis, are simply assigned to companies to implement. On the US side,
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And as if Cisco and Google and AT&T don't have US government contracts?
Of course leading Chinese technology companies have Chinese Government Contracts and investments.
All countries do that.
Even taking this as true, it's still idiotic for anyone outside China to buy their equipment, on the level of actual treason (you know, selling out your people for a foreign government, that treason.)
Re:As if InQTel doesn't have US tech investments? (Score:4, Insightful)
And as if Cisco and Google and AT&T don't have US government contracts?
Of course leading Chinese technology companies have Chinese Government Contracts and investments.
All countries do that.
Even taking this as true, it's still idiotic for anyone outside China to buy their equipment, on the level of actual treason (you know, selling out your people for a foreign government, that treason.)
If that hyperbolic treason rant is true then buying equipment from the US is also treason because US manufactures also facilitate spying on everybody outside the US in cooperation with the three letter agencies. As a third country I wouldn't install US equipment in my core critical network any more than Chinese stuff.
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I'll only buy from a trusted neutral third party, like Crypto AG.
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If that hyperbolic treason rant is true then buying equipment from the US is also treason because US manufactures also facilitate spying on everybody outside the US in cooperation with the three letter agencies. As a third country I wouldn't install US equipment in my core critical network any more than Chinese stuff.
I'm not contending that. If a nation doesn't at a bare minimum control it's own manufacturing processes from raw materials extraction through finished products it is either selling out it's people or too small to have a better option.
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Re: Who thinks any company in China lacks governme (Score:4, Insightful)
"Trump could simply state the current temperature in Fahrenheit, and his critics would attack him as anti-science, "
Because he would misread the thermometer, then make up some lie about the temperature changing real fast, then tweet some conspiracy theory about liberal elites rigging thermometers, then something about Celsius being socialist probably.
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Lots of TDS sufferers around here. Any criticism of Trump triggers an uncontrollable reflex response, causing them to rant about how the world is against him.
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You have it backwards, TDS is where people lash out against Trump for literally anything they can, obsessively looking for ways to attack him. Here's a blatant example from some woman who can't even spell her own name right. [imgur.com]
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Trump could simply state the current temperature in Fahrenheit, after someone told him the difference between Fahrenheit and Celsius about 10 times. Then he'd figure out how to make it political issue for his supporters...."no weenie Leftwing-Temperature values shall be used in the U.S., Fahrenheit numbers are bigly HeBoy-Sized numbers able to DOMINATE the weather"... then go on posit this will make America great again.
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The reality is the US government has been stumbling through a change to metric over decades https://www.nist.gov/pml/weigh... [nist.gov], the most incompetent effort imaginable. Decades of effort and they have only managed to change in some areas. I would expect the USA will fully manage to change to the metric system by early next century, the US public is simply too 'well' slow to manage a more rapid change. Lucky they don't still measure in feets, toes and knuckles. The metrication of the seppos should be the thing
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and then, Swatch time!
Who needs that 60 minutes nonsense when you can have a base 10 timing system that's perfectly perfect.
Metric system doesn't mean anything, you're just used to it. A mile is as good as a kilometer. In fact a shilling is better than a cent - you want a third, a quarter, a half.. no problem. With metric, you get half, fifth, tenth... nobody uses those, but they want thirds all the time. Ask an old person how easy it was to manage money in the days when there was 12 shillings to a pound, a
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Sure but there's no real point to switching to metric anyway. It just doesn't matter 99% of the time. The entire country is surveyed in imperial units, and building materials have been in imperial units for a hundred years now. There's no pressing need to change. Industries that need metric already have it. The problems of mixed units are really a thing of the past. I doubt you'll ever see a lander crash again due to confusion over units, or an airplane running out of fuel.
This is coming from a guy who
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Likely some Trump supporter would claim America uses the Imperial system, showing lack of knowledge and showing the type of ignorance the educated Trump supporter has.
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In the 1970s a Republican president committed the US to change to Metric over the course of a decade Eight years later Saint Ronnie reversed the conversion, which was well under way.
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No.
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No, but I remember when the Reagan Badministration "beat" both unemployment and inflation by redefining both terms.
Yes, naturally, it's called "delegation" (Score:3)
Everything in the totalitarian state is controlled by the military, in turn controlled by the Chinese Communist Party.
Well, almost everything. [hongkongfp.com]
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Glad you're allowed to say that without risking your life where you are.
Hypocrite (Score:2, Insightful)
Guess who controls Google, Microsoft, etc. using a tool called NSL?
Yes - the us govt.
And we have proof that the us govt is actually doing this.
As a result of these NSLs [wikipedia.org] big us companies are in bed with the NSA et al.
NSA Utah Data Center [wikipedia.org]
Camp Williams [wikipedia.org]
This facility will greatly increase the NSA's ability to store and process millions of emails, IMs, SMS, and phone calls made daily by people around the world and in the United States.
I don't give a shit what happens inside your country. but leave the rest of us fuckin' alone!!!
I am sick and tired of arguing with people like You. You think you're the "greatest" country on this planet. Well - you're fucking not.
FYI - The NSA is part of the us
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This isn't a "moral" issue. While the US may be hypocritical, so what? China can choose to apply sanctions as well.
> Guess who controls Google, Microsoft, etc. using a tool called NSL?
The US executive branch (and no small number of US residents) want reduced reliance on Chinese goods and services. Who cares if the NSA is part of the US military? So everyone does it and that's according to something called "self interest". The US chooses to protect itself with some wonky policies and China is free to do t
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The problem with your post and the ones below is, that y'all always make this into an "us versus them" thing.
Nowhere did I write that I agree or disagree what what China or any other country is doing.
And like I wrote below - have you been paying attention to what is happening in your country ...
Before you say anything about other countries, you better take care of your own shit first.
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Before you say anything about other countries, you better take care of your own shit first.
It's not about other countries, dumbass. It's about our country. No one is even claiming China is doing anything wrong: they are trying to take over other nations, as all nations do. What's wrong is people outside China buying Chinese shit and compromising their national security with it.
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Huh??? Interesting tactic ....
The topic is:
USA Administration Says Huawei, Hikvision Backed By Chinese Military
The vice versa is true as well - Foreign country administration says <us company x>, <us company y> are controlled and backed by us military.
Please stay on-topic.
The us govt is actually even worse - they control a company that is not even located in the us.
Company based in Switzerland controlled by CIA [theguardian.com]
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If you want to discuss how and why many western companies (in the us, in the uk, etc.) have all moved their production facilities to china and other countries ... then start a new thread.
I'd be more than willing to discuss the stupidity of that.
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Re: Hypocrite (Score:2)
Might makes right. Everything else is bullshit.
International affairs are not the realm of school yard rhetorical debates and silly accusations of being hypocritical. All nation states are hypocritical. Survival is at stake. Existential survival.
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There is no such thing as being hypocritical in international power politics. Might makes right. Everything else is bullshit. International affairs are not the realm of school yard rhetorical debates and silly accusations of being hypocritical. All nation states are hypocritical. Survival is at stake. Existential survival.
Hypocritical is one of the labels that is used to disable some of the might of a nation that is acquired through "soft power". When you want to send troops through a nation, having the active support of the locals makes things much easier - they inform to you about rebels and terrorists. The food they give you is not poisoned. Mortar positions are given away. When someone manages to put the "hypocritical" label on a nation then the locals don't cooperate in this way.
This is a specific problem in the Sou
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Guess who controls Google, Microsoft, etc. using a tool called NSL?
Yes - the us govt.
Funny thing about that: the US government already controls the US. We're talking about selling out to a foreign government.
You have lost your moral high ground.
Disregarding for the moment that you haven't actually replied to anyone, it's not about "moral high ground," it's about the most basic form of national security and frankly common sense: you don't hand over the logistics infrastructure of your nation to a foreign power.
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You can tell me when the US starts killing political prisoners by harvesting their organs..
Or when the US starts invading countries and claiming that they are part of their country...
Or when the US sends in the military with tanks to shut down a peaceful protest by killing about 10000 people.
Have you been paying attention to what is happening in your country ...
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Now, now. We send in the military to secure strategic oil reserves, it's completely different.
COMPLETELY!
'Military', 'government', what's the difference? (Score:2)
Big deal (Score:3)
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All US tech companies are controlled by NSA/FBI
If you believe the US using US equipment because it's spied upon by the US is in any way equivalent to the US switching to Chinese equipment bugged by the CCP you have some serious mental deficiencies that you need to work through. All nations spy on their people, letting a foreign power do that to you is absurd, especially one which has a strong track record of slaughtering their own people and those of other nations, and especially when they've been actively waging economic war to gain control over manuf
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All US tech companies are controlled by NSA/FBI
If that were true, there wouldn't be a pile of "uncrackable" iPhones in the evidence locker, along with demands of encryption backdoors coming from the FBI.
As far as the NSA goes, I do believe they hold that capability. But they're not revealing it to anyone. Not even the FBI.
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So? (Score:5, Insightful)
Is there a US company that is NOT backed by US military? ...Like anyone would pass up a contract where you can just add three zeroes at the end. :)
Even if not due to a National Security Letter
The question is rather, who's up to nefarious things?
I agree with the US here, thst the Chinese leadership is exactly that. But as a Germany, I have physical proof that the US is too, and not exactly on a smaller scale either.
Am I gonna hate any US or Chinese company as a result? No.
I would need to check the company first.
I'm sure with an agency as powerful as the CIA, that ought to be quite easy.
So given that that particular detail (of the company doing harm) is conveniently missing, nothing changes for me. I's still quite wary of *any* tech that might have passed through China, the US, Russia, Israel, Great Britain, my own country, and Switzerland.
Which is why I demand open hardware and a research grant to develop cheaper small-scale fab technology on an EUV level. (Even if Darpa would sponsor it, as long as it's useful...)
And I won't be made to hate every random Chinese Russian, US .... etc ... guy or company, just because their government is evil. That is Nazi thinking.
National emergency? (Score:2)
How does this constitute a national emergency? We already have an actual one going on right now (pandemic). In what way is it like that?
All Chinese tech companies (Score:2)
All Chinese tech companies are backed by the Chinese military. That's how an authoritarian and totalitarian government works.
Re:Is anythng the Trump administration says (Score:5, Insightful)
I think its a safe bet that the Administration in general, and the President in particular, has access to much better information than most of us. What they do with it, however, is another matter...
Re: Is anythng the Trump administration says (Score:2)
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It's a safe bet, sure... maybe. Or it's a knee jerk reaction to trumps absolute disdain for Chinese people in general. Literally nobody is using 'Chinese flu' for Covid but he insists on it. He tweeted that black people cause 97% of murders. He believes first, then finds "evidence' to back him up.
s/finds/invents/
Re: Is anythng the Trump administration says (Score:2)
Or it's a knee jerk reaction to trumps absolute disdain for Chinese people in general.
Quoth the CCP stooge?
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Remember that Trump cannot read. So maybe he has the date on his desk, but whether he is even aware on it is a different question.
Re:Is anythng the Trump administration says (Score:5, Insightful)
Reconcile this fact with all the statements from the Administration in general, and the President in particular that have stated repeatedly that our intel agencies are all horribly wrong and not to be trusted.
That's hardly difficult. Explanation 1: They have access to better information but the information is inconvenient? Explanation 2: The "administration" has access to better information but every time they try to give it to Trump he either gets angry or tells the world about it if it's secret so they have stopped giving him any accurate information.
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Explanation 3: Whenever they tell Trump about it his eyes glaze over and he starts talking about the size of his...crowds.
China Is A Communist Country (Score:3)
You don't need to be clairvoyant or a rocket scientist to know that in a communist country, everything of military value is subject to the control of the military.
You have a company building devices that would/could be used to channel exabytes of data throughout the world and you think that the communist dictatorship is NOT going to have their fingers in it?
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Re: Is anythng the Trump administration says (Score:5, Informative)
Is anything in China not state run?
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Is anything in China not state run?
No.
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Is anything in China not state run?
No.
This is a silly fantasy and shows how dangerous China is, or maybe more specifically ideological blindness to the true nature of China with many still believing it's a "communist" nation. If everything in China was state run then they would have difficulty innovating and providing for the local needs of their people. They would be inefficient like the Soviet Union. This would make them much less dangerous in the long term. China has learned the lesson from the fall of the USSR and they incorporate proper
Re: Is anythng the Trump administration says (Score:4, Insightful)
It isn't that Chinese industry is state run, it is that Chinese industry is state directed and all information funnels back the illegitimate rulers of the CCP.
Give Tibet back to the Tibetans, drop the self-defeating take over of Hong Kong (the big shots there are already planning on leaving), stop putting the Uighers into concentration camps, and keep your filthy hands off Taiwan before you screw that up as well.
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Perhaps the ethnic Chinese should give Taiwan back to the Taiwanese?
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Taiwan needs to be armed to the hilt.
For ever ship China can put to sea, Taiwan needs to have 10 anti-ship missiles.
For every plane China can launch, Taiwan needs to have 50 ground to air missiles.
For every missile China can launch, Taiwan needs 5 patriot missiles.
Taiwan needs to be to China as Switzerland was to Hitler.
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There wasn't much difference between fascism and communism in terms of control of the economy.
They were enemies because they argued over who should be in control of everything, not in how much control they should have.
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Well, not everything in China is state run, but they do have difficulty innovating and they are inefficient.
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Difficulty innovating? A generation ago they were an agrarian economy, today they are the factory of the world. Perhaps you don't think that management systems and economic plans are innovation, but you're dead wrong. That's why the Chinese are going to eat your lunch.
Inefficient? Compared to a for-profit system where 90% of earnings go to a class of people who do nothing?
Re: Is anythng the Trump administration says (Score:5, Informative)
Re: Is anythng the Trump administration says (Score:5, Insightful)
No quite. The companies are real, and they compete with each other in order to make money.
But all the executives will be members of the CCP. And there will be no question about complying with any requests from the government.
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If I have several employees, and I make them compete for pay raises, I still own the company and I'm still in control.
Yes (Score:2, Insightful)
Yes.
For example, Trump himself said Kim Jong-un rules North Korea.
We joke around, but there is a serious point here.
Just because we don't like Donald Trump (for many reasons), some of us have a strong urge to fight for *whatever* we perceive as the opposite of what this administration says or does. That's not just foolish, it's dangerous.
As an example, this week Senate passed a bill which would require police to maintain and share records of any officer accused of using excessive force, so that bad officer
Re:Yes (Score:5, Informative)
The bill said they can't use choke holds anymore.
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When Trump voiced support for these kinds of common-sense reforms, the Democrats immediately shut down debate on the bill, killing it so it can't even be discussed and amended as necessary.
Why is this shit marked as Insightful? It's a simple lie from a Conservative. But I'm repeating myself.
The Republican bill did NOT BAN CHOKEHOLDS. Not in the slightest. Here's the text of it: https://www.congress.gov/bill/... [congress.gov] , the relevant section is "SEC. 105. Incentivizing banning of chokeholds" that simply will pull funds from police depts that don't have a policy on banning the chokeholds except when deadly force is allowed (i.e. never). So Democrats were right to sink this stinker.
But of course, it gives a soundbite for low-information voters: "Democrats are against doing anything" and FoxPravda will not tell you otherwise.
Did you say "lie" and repeat what I said? (Score:2, Troll)
Did you just say "that's a lie" and then repeat exactly what I said?
> relevant section is "SEC. 105. Incentivizing banning of chokeholds" that simply will pull funds from police depts that don't have a policy on banning the chokeholds
Right, exactly what I said - if they use choke holds, they lose their federal funding. Which is $5 billion. That's how Congress makes states do things. For example you might remember the 55 MPH speed limit, or more recently No Child Left Behind. A lot of states didn't wan
Re:Yes (Score:5, Insightful)
"One of the dumbest arguments I've heard lately is to defund the police. What job, do we think they do?"
Carry out false flag operations to incite riots during peaceful protests?
Murder people they've already pacified?
Harass the populace to keep it scared and compliant?
Use tools of war to enforce unjust laws against the populace?
Run a jobs program for white supremacists?
They do some valuable things as well, but it's hard to remember that given all the abuse. If they don't want to be unfunded, perhaps they should stop spending the funding on oppression.
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However, America needs to re-allocate its funding (we need real mental health), re-do our laws (ZERO PRIVATE PRISONS), and hold police, prosecutors/judges responsible. That last part is very important. All 3 groups lie, manipulate/withhold data in trials, just to win.
And it is NOT about blacks, but about EVERY CITIZEN. We ALL NEED justice and to be able to believe in our system.
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Which thing do you require a citation for, because you can't figure out how to Google? You've been here long enough to learn how to internet, what's the problem?
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Sadly, we have far right wing anarchists, and far left communist, fighting, while politicians on BOTH SIDES, are fighting each other, and not doing their GD jobs. Trump is all about himself, and does not have give a flying fuck about America. the GOP that back him, are all about their party. The Dems? Well, they are sp
Re:Yes (Score:5, Informative)
As an example, this week Senate passed a bill which would require police to maintain and share records of any officer accused of using excessive force, so that bad officers don't just move to a different police department when they get fired.
This part is true.
The bill said they can't use choke holds anymore.
This part is false. The Republican bill doesn't do this. The Democrats want this ban.
The bill includes the Justice for Breonna Taylor Act, which basically bans no-knock warrants (a bill originally introduced by Rand Paul).
This part is also false. Tim Scott's bill specifically avoids banning no-knock warrants because "We don't have any information around no-knock warrants, so for us to start a conversation with banning no-knocks doesn't sound like a solid position based on any data because we don't have that data. Once we have the information, we can then turn to the training that is necessary to de-escalate situations." So, Scott's bill mandates data collection only.
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Let's look at rge text of the bill, shall we?
https://www.congress.gov/bill/... [congress.gov]
"a State or unit of local government may not receive funds under this section for a fiscal year if, on the day before the first day of the fiscal year, the State or unit of local government does not have an agency-wide policy in place for each law enforcement agency of the State or unit of local government that prohibits the use of chokeholds except when deadly force is authorized."
Like I said, any department that allows choke hol
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Let's look at rge text of the bill, shall we?
https://www.congress.gov/bill/... [congress.gov]
"a State or unit of local government may not receive funds under this section for a fiscal year if, on the day before the first day of the fiscal year, the State or unit of local government does not have an agency-wide policy in place for each law enforcement agency of the State or unit of local government that prohibits the use of chokeholds except when deadly force is authorized."
Yes, what you say is true. The bill mandates funding restrictions in an attempt to persuade local agencies to implement a policy, but the funding is limited only for one year, and there is no restriction on funding from other federal sources, and the policy only has to technically exist on one specific day, and the policy doesn't have to be enforced. The Democratic complaint about this proposal is that it's very weak. And it is extremely weak. It tries to masquerade as banning chokeholds, but it obvious
EACH year (Score:3)
> Yes, what you say is true. The bill mandates funding restrictions in an attempt to persuade local agencies to implement a policy, but the funding is limited only for one year
Federal funding is withheld EACH year that they don't comply.
What would be the alternative? "If you don't comply by July 1, 2020, your federal funds are cut off permanently"?
I suppose you could do that, but then you lose all leverage over any department that isn't fully compliant by July 1, 2020 - once you've cut the funds and say
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A lie of omission. The Democrats wanted MORE protections so intend to introduce their own bill. The Republicans could have passed their bill since they have a majority in the Senate but some of them failed to support it.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/0... [cnn.com]
Let's see if the Republicans support the Democrat bill today shall we? Or are they just as guilty of automatically voting against anything the other party proposes?
Is it one bill per year, unamended? (Score:2)
I think you're aware that things can be added to bills. That's called amendments. The Dems could have added any additional things they wanted by proposing amendments. Their leadership chose to block that process, to shut down the bill so no members could propose any amendments, any additional protections.
So no, that doesn't hold water. If Pelosi wanted Dems to be able to add more stuff, she wouldn't have shut down the process that allows them to add stuff. She shut it down when and because Trump voiced
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Perhaps you should re-evaluate how you vote. At the moment you seem to be intent on voting for the people who have helped create and keep this disaster of an administration in power.
Elections have consequences and this is one of them.
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He is now attacking via the military angle to see whether that will stick.There's no evidence by the way. Time will tell.
Why do you say there's no evidence? What if I told you all 17 US intelligence agencies agreed it was true? Would you believe it then? Exactly what form would this evidence have to be to convince you? Are you anti-American intelligence? Are you believing foreign leaders and denying our own US intelligence reports?
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That's laughable ...
American agencies are lying ... And you know it.
Statements to the public regarding NSA operations [wikipedia.org]
On June 6, 2013, the day after Snowden's revelations, then-Director of National Intelligence James Clapper released a statement admitting the NSA collects telephony metadata on millions of Americans telephone calls.
Are you anti-American intelligence?
What if I am?
Are you believing foreign leaders and denying our own US intelligence reports?
No need to - the following people have told us plenty.
NSA Whistleblowers:
William Binney
Thomas Drake
Edward Snowden
Mark Klein
Thomas Tamm
Russ Tice
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Re:Misplaced priorities by the fella with power!! (Score:4, Insightful)
While Americans continue to die, almost 40 times those that perished on 9/11 to date, the fella is still obsessed with Huawei!! Talk of misplaced priorities!!
He has his priorities completely straight: Get reelected. Hence anything that distracts from his numerous failures is welcome. Sure, this means he is a psycho, but pretty much anybody with some minimal appreciation of actually observable facts has had that figured out a while ago.
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America and in part their military is "in charge of" Google, Facebook, Cisco, Microsoft, Boeing, all kinds of companies...
Without evidence that they're actually doing something untoward, it's a silly game to play to point fingers.
I wouldn't mind, but the reason people use those Chinese companies is because they wanted to, or they do a better job. Any alternative, home-grown or not, is going to be more expensive and less preferential - if it wasn't, we'd be using it already!
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Well, it is. Not directly, but for example, by far the largest Red Hat customer is the US military. If they want something, they get it. On the legal side, these two situation may be different, but when looking at actual reality and who tells whom what to do, it is pretty much the same situation.