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Judge Orders FCC to Hand Over IP Addresses Linked to Fake Net Neutrality Comments (gizmodo.com) 70

Before it rolled back net neutrality protections in 2017, America's Federal Communications Commission requested public comments online. But they're still facing criticism over how they handled them, Gizmodo reports: A Manhattan federal judge has ruled the Federal Communications Commission must provide two reporters access to server logs that may provide new insight into the allegations of fraud stemming from agency's 2017 net neutrality rollback.... The logs will show, among other details, the originating IP addresses behind the millions of public comments sent to the agency ahead of the December 2017 net neutrality vote.

The FCC attempted to quash the paper's request but failed to persuade District Judge Lorna Schofield, who wrote that, despite the privacy concerns raised by the agency, releasing the logs may help clarify whether fraudulent activity interfered with the comment period, as well as whether the agency's decision-making process is "vulnerable to corruption... In this case, the public interest in disclosure is great because the importance of the comment process to agency rulemaking is great," she said, adding: "If genuine public comment is drowned out by a fraudulent facsimile, then the notice-and-comment process has failed."

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Judge Orders FCC to Hand Over IP Addresses Linked to Fake Net Neutrality Comments

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  • Why would you give a list of what amounts to millions of names of people opposed to a thing to people who support that thing?
    This is literally every micropenis-wielding dictator's fantasy.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Do not keep server logs

    • Is there an obligation to keep logs for three years (or more)?

    • by gtall ( 79522 )

      Regardless of whether they are turned over or not, I wouldn't trust any data given by the alleged administration.

  • by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Saturday May 02, 2020 @12:11PM (#60014706)

    Note how the government is so worried about people's privacy when it comes finding out if they actually commented on net neutrality, while on the other hand the government is working hard to force tech companies to stop using encryption so the government can invade people's privacy.

    Actually, no, it's not interesting. It's symptomatic of this administration which has gone out of its way [thehill.com] to hide its corruption at every step [nbcnews.com].

    • In fairness, "privacy is only good only when it benefits us" has been a growing government mantra for decades, it's hardly fair to lay it at the feet of the current administration.

  • by crow ( 16139 ) on Saturday May 02, 2020 @12:27PM (#60014760) Homepage Journal

    What I expect this to show is that the FCC's claim of fraudulent comments is fake. They just used the claim to disregard millions of real comments. If the data shows that most comments came from different IP addresses, it will show that the government simply lied about the process and ignored the public. Now I'm sure there were some scripted comments, but it should be simple to strip those out and still see what the real comments were.

    • There were millions of comments with the exact same text submitted supporting the FCC removing net neutrality regulation. There was a website that would let you look up names that commented and what the comment was. Hell, my mom's name was on one of those comments and she didn't even known the FCC was asking for comments.

      • Since when are these decisions based on 'public comment VOTING'??? The number of pro or con comments should NOT drive the decision. If that is how the FCC or Government is going to 'decide' an issue, then put it on the ballot. 1 comment that points out a super important point should have more weight than ten-thousand comments on trivial fake-point. If mass fake or fraudulent commenting is discovered, what is the penalty for that? Identity Theft, False Statement to Government, 'breaking into computer syst
  • I want Ajit Pai gone, or at least diminished.
  • by kenh ( 9056 ) on Saturday May 02, 2020 @12:43PM (#60014820) Homepage Journal

    I understood that when the FCC stepped out of Net Neutrality the FTC would step in [fcc.gov]

    The Federal Trade Commission will police and take action against Internet service providers for anticompetitive acts or unfair and deceptive practices. The FTC is the nation's premier consumer protection agency, and until the FCC stripped it of jurisdiction over Internet service providers in 2015, the FTC protected consumers consistently across the Internet economy.

    Then everyone got excited when it looked like the FTC refused to enforce what activists consider "Net Neutrality" [vice.com]:

    "The FTC is, principally, a law enforcement agency. It is not a sector regulator like the FCC," Simons said during his remarks, adding that things like "blocking, throttling, or paid prioritization would not be per se antitrust violations.”

    In his speech Simons conflated “paid prioritization”—the act of letting a company buy a speed or latency advantage from ISPs—with practices like clipping coupons, cheaper matinee movie tickets, and happy hour drink specials. The implication is that his agency is likely view such behavior favorably.

    Most people think a company paying for better service is OK, they take issue with their service being cut back (priority mail is fine, as long as it doesn't delay my first class letter) - the FTC still views blocking and slowing traffic without notice to be a violation of law [vice.com]:

    “We could take action against ISPs if they block applications without adequately disclosing those practices or mislead consumers about what applications they block or how,” Simons said.

    Is this all really about paid prioritization? That really seems to be the only issue from Net Neutrality not picked up by the FTC.

    • by Nkwe ( 604125 )
      What I put in my comment on FCC website was that I thought that prioritizing by protocol or port was fine, but doing so by source or destination address was not.
      • by kenh ( 9056 )

        Why is paying for better service bad? If a Netflix or an Amazon wants to pay for better service, how does that harm other traffic?

        I pay a fee to Netflix for their service, in turn Netflix pays the ISP to make sure my streaming service is good. Where have Netflix or I harmed the startup streaming service?

        It seems to me we are trying to contort the market to account for the last-mile monopolies that exist - why not work on eliminating the local monopolies? That is controlled by local (city state) regulators,

        • If you pay extra to get a better streaming experience from Netflix and Amazon, while they are also paying the ISP to guarantee a better streaming experience for their customers it's called double dipping.

          If I have a 100/100 connection, I expect that I will have a 100/100 connection regardless which service I decide to use on the internet. If my ISP suddenly want more money to guarantee that I can use a service of my choice it's just plain greed and rent-seeking for something they already got paid for.

          Imagin

          • by kenh ( 9056 )

            If you pay extra to get a better streaming experience from Netflix and Amazon, while they are also paying the ISP to guarantee a better streaming experience for their customers it's called double dipping.

            No, I pay Netflix, Netflix pays ISP, I get better service.

            The payment could include a high-speed dedicated connection to feed Netflix traffic into ISPs network, either provided by Netflix (and no money changes hands) or by ISP and Netflix subsidizes it. It could also be a Netflix-owned server in ISP head office,feeding content to Netflix subscribers.

        • An ISP doesn't give better service by imrpoving their infrastructure, they give better service by slowing down everyone else. If you don't want to get slowed down you must PAY MORE for the same service you get right now.
    • "Most people think a company paying for better service is OK, they take issue with their service being cut back"

      There is no difference since capacity is finite.

  • All this is about the possible collusion of the various cable companies colluding by creating a giant email surge to the FCC with the game being to end net neutrality. Well guess what, folks! It worked. Should this found to be true, it unlikely the FCC will reverse their decision, as they've already been paid off.
    • by gtall ( 79522 )

      It wouldn't have mattered what cable companies did. The FCC is now so corrupt like the rest of the alleged administration that they would have simply lied about the results.

      • This is the end result of all regulation. Eventual Capture. Not a question of if... just a question of when. Since we let congress get away with everything while only bitching as a President nothing changes.

        Every nation gets the government it "DESERVES".... especially people that live in a democracy!

  • is coming from INSIDE the house!! Get out now!!
  • Looks like all the fraudulent claims came from "127.0.0.1".
  • Net neutrality is not just about traffic prioritization... It's about ensuring we have secure communications and access to all forms of information uncensored, including information that is critical of the Telco and the government. As example: Before next neutrality any VPN connection to your home was blocked outright. Or, the Telco can choose to block any news source it doesn't like, or blog unfavorable to them. They can do this because telcos are essentially monopolies, as few people have a choice. The pr

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