r/NoSleep, One of the Largest Subreddits On Reddit, Goes Dark In IP-Theft Protest 53
Fortran IV writes: In an attempt to "start a conversation" about copyright and IP theft, one of the largest subreddits on Reddit.com, the horror sub r/NoSleep, has gone private for a week. NoSleep, with nearly 14 million subscribers, is one of the largest collections of horror fiction on the internet; MIT used it to train an AI system to write horror stories. Authors retain copyright to all stories on NoSleep, but piracy remains an ongoing problem, so the moderators have elected to shutter the sub from 02/24/2020 to 03/02/2020 to draw attention to the issue.
Well, this is creepy... (Score:2, Interesting)
03022020 - 02242020 = 780,000.
#780000 in RGB is Dark Red.
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If a man leaves a statue along a roadside, he's an asshole if he yells at people for painting pictures of it.
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This brings back memories of the DMCA, Napster, and people arguing about sharing cover songs copied from free radio broadcasts. If I recall, the argument against sharing such songs is that they were paid for by advertising and covered by very thick broadcast licensing agreements. I didn't agree with that line of thinking then, and I don't agree with it now.
Also it would be much more accurate to say Reddit is like public access tv.
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Also it would be much more accurate to say Reddit is like public access tv.
That wouldn't be a fair assessment, given the nature of how public access TV operates. However, even if I concede that point it still doesn't change the point of the comparison. Just because the owner of the copyrighted content makes it available in one public location under specific conditions, does not mean that the content is in the public domain. If the authors of the works in r/NoSleep retain copyright control of their work, they have the right to determine how their work is used as covered by copyrigh
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What I hear is the following claim: An author can allow an unbounded number of people to view their work, indefinitely, without expectation of any compensation, in a public place they don't own, but that this doesn't make the work public domain. This does not parse with me. Maybe it's legally true, but I can't hold the idea in my mind.
If it were on their own website, if they said the work was for free for a week to promote their new book, then I'd be much more strongly in their camp. Note that I'm not talki
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So, the reddit post mentions three things: sharing, narration, and publication. Your example is analogous to full blown publication. Publishing someone else's work without some kind of agreement is theft, yes. I feel comfortable with naming it as theft.
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If you're referring to unauthorized copying or display, I'd certainly agree.
I'm referring to taking a work, attributing it to oneself, publishing it, and claiming both profit and moral rights to it. If that isn't theft, I don't care about the distinction.
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Wait, how did you fit communism, which is supposed to be about sharing everything, into that angry mini-rant?
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There is no moral argument for copyright as it stands today. It has terms so long compared to the human lifetime that it may as well be perpetual and scope so wide as to cover fan fiction, API's and the shape of clothing. Moreover, that enforcement cost that is borne by the public, while all profits go to the creator.
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The system as originally intended definitely helped more than hindered. Feel free to be against the current system, but these people don't deserve to be treated the same as the groups abusing it.
This is bad (Score:1)
I'll have to go back reading Star Trek Doctor Who Hentai mashup fanfic for the week.
this is just a storm in a teacup to me (Score:1)
This looks to be a continuation of SomethingAwful and Chan content being stolen/reused/updated/etc. for purposes that were not originally intended or considered. What's the difference here?
There's nothing special about /r/NoSleep as far as this phenomenon is concerned, I think. I expect anything with a critical mass of readership can end up being used for *something*.
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Unless the original was somehow scrubbed, nothing has been stolen.
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Nerds United...can never be defeated (Score:1)
On topic... (Score:1)
Don't let it ever leave the shower.
Or what? An angsty teen with white face paint, a flat black choker around her neck, too much mascara, half her face smeared with eyeliner, on a 4 day coke binge will stab me with a bowie knife in the shower while violins shriek in protest?
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I think there's a slight difference between something sold because the readers wanted to read it and something sold because the readers wanted to support the creator. The latter is more of a donation, or perhaps a "sale" of future works not yet created.
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However: Do act against others trying to sell your work as their own.
Even if you created it while enjoying a hobby.
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Someone writes a story for fun, publishes it on Reddit for free reading with the condition that the work not be republished elsewhere. The story turns out to be a hit... in which case it is not at all unreasonable for the author to sell his st
Who cares? (Score:1)
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/r/LetsNotMeet is another good place for creepy (supposedly true) stories.
wait what (Score:2)
Hmmmm... (Score:2)
NoSleep just went to sleep
There are some good r/nosleep story ideas (Score:2)
Copyright is already half dead (Score:2)
The only ones who can use it are rich people and corporations, normal people will be drowned in coroporate lawyers if they protest against a corp stealing their art. Better to just cancel the whole thing for good. Ofcourse that the US would never do it since it would ruin one of their strongest power bases.
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Bad time to create awareness imo (Score:1)
Honestly.. (Score:1)
The delusion of information "property". (Score:2)
How many times does reality have have to punch them in the face, before they realize that the concept of ownership cannot be appied to lnformation and ideas?
Look, in essence you are bitching about the world telling each other your secret, after you literally told your secret to the whole world!
Yes, it is not OK for others to make money off of telling people your secret. For that same reason that it not OK for *you* to.do that!
It is only OK to take money for *working*! Not for the resulting work! Don't tell