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Ring Fired Employees for Watching Customer Videos (vice.com) 55

Amazon-owned home security camera company Ring has fired employees for improperly accessing Ring users' video data, Motherboard reported Wednesday, citing a letter the company wrote to Senators. From the report: The news highlights a risk across many different tech companies: employees may abuse access granted as part of their jobs to look at customer data or information. In Ring's case this data can be particularly sensitive though, as customers often put the cameras inside their home. "We are aware of incidents discussed below where employees violated our policies," the letter from Ring, dated January 6th, reads. "Over the last four years, Ring has received four complaints or inquiries regarding a team member's access to Ring video data," it continues. Ring explains that although each of these people were authorized to view video data, their attempted access went beyond what they needed to access for their job.
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Ring Fired Employees for Watching Customer Videos

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  • by alvinrod ( 889928 ) on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @04:03PM (#59600450)
    Why is it even possible for an employee to do something like this in the first place? If there's ever a need for them to view the feed, it should only be something that's initiated by the customer. Anything else is a privacy violation waiting to happen.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Narcocide ( 102829 )

      Because coding corporate intranet interfaces securely is much more expensive and time consuming. It is cheaper and easier for management to just put everything on the honor system and cover their asses in the EULA.

      (In other words: They should have hired me instead!)

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        They probably want it to be easily accessible to reduce support costs. When the customer calls them they want their agent to get in and check for issues as fast as possible.

    • Can you imagine a cryptosystem where the Ring device generates a random secure encryption key and shares it with the owner's cell phone over Bluetooth, so only the owner can access the videos that are stored on Ring's servers?

      If Ring were about privacy, this would be somewhat straightforward to implement.

      If they are about mass surveillance, this would be a bad move.

      • by Aristos Mazer ( 181252 ) on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @05:15PM (#59600694)
        They could even do some sort of key escrow for law enforcement:
        1. Generate security key, use Bluetooth or local net or even just a display to give it to the user
        2. If user approves, transmit key to third party who doesn't have access to the video.
        3. When law enforcement gets a warrant, they get the key from third party
        4. Law enforcement goes to Ring and gets the videos and views them.

        Under that scheme, none of the Ring employees can access the video ever, none of the third-party employees can access the video ever, law enforcement desires are satisfied, user desires are satisfied. I'd be willing to consider a Ring device under those conditions. But, I bet, even if they go this route, they'll probably omit the part in boldface.
    • by I75BJC ( 4590021 )
      Hopefully, your question is a rhetorical one. There are plenty of answers. Several are listed below. 1. Training
      2. Proactive loss prevention
      3. a busy-body culture -- the USA/American culture for example
      4. Friends & family members
      5. Funny videos
      6, Sexy videos
      7. Cute videos -- where do you think all those kitty videos come from?
    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Why is it even possible for an employee to do something like this in the first place?

      Simple: Putting effective access control in place costs money, i.e. lowers profit.

    • Oh, you didn't want random strangers surveilling you? Now you know how your neighbors feel.
  • Well those Ring employees for starters!

  • Employees may abuse access granted.

    Almost certainly.

  • Ring. The Camera open to the world.
  • by John Napkintosh ( 140126 ) on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @04:34PM (#59600542) Homepage

    "Your stuff is secure. It's highly protected!"

    "Well, it's actually pretty wide open, but no one ever does."

    "Well, sometimes people do, but only trusted members."

    "Well, anyone can access it, but it's against policy."

    "Well, lots of people do, but only for quality of service."

    "Well, people sometimes do it for other reasons, but definitely only for business reasons."

    "Ok, people watch you jack off all the fucking time and share it on the internet."

  • Don't be silly... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by DesScorp ( 410532 ) on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @04:42PM (#59600566) Journal

    "Amazon isn't listening to you through Alexa. It's perfectly safe. You're just a paranoid Luddite".
    "Apple isn't listening to you through Siri. It's perfectly safe. You're just a paranoid Luddite".
    "Ring isn't watching you through your cameras. It's perfectly safe. You're just a paranoid Luddite".

  • we need the data for marketing needs!

  • If the Ring employee pay checks enabled them to afford some high quality porn may be they might not trawl through hundreds of customer video feeds look for cheap ones.
  • Can't say I'm surprised, but anyway, thanks for the heads up.
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      Destroyed the tv. Dest

      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward

        They took a machete to my organ

        Good lord!

        A Hammond c2 I rescued from the church

        Oh. Thank God!

      • Destruction like what you describe is usually targeted: the intruders likely knew who's house it was, and wanted to cause distress to you and/or your family.

    • What a load of blame-the-victim B.S.

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      One of my childhood ex-friends (thanks, modern polarizing politics) grew up in a suburban middle class track house which lo

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