China Shows Its Dominance in Surveillance Technology (ft.com) 44
Chinese companies have made every submission to UN on standards in past three years, Financial Times reports [the link may be paywalled]. From the report: Chinese companies have made every submission to the UN for international standards on surveillance technology in the past three years, according to documents reviewed by the Financial Times that show their rising dominance in the field. The UN's International Telecommunication Union (ITU), which has 200 member states and establishes common global specifications for technology, has received 20 standards proposals since 2016 from Chinese companies including China Telecom, ZTE, Huawei and surveillance camera giants Hikvision and Dahua.
The majority of the proposals relate to how footage from facial recognition cameras and recordings by audio surveillance devices are stored and analysed, and were submitted to a section of the ITU where experts say representation from European and US organisations is exceptionally light. Half of the standards have already been approved, even though concerns are rising about how Chinese companies are gaining access to the personal data of individuals around the world.
The majority of the proposals relate to how footage from facial recognition cameras and recordings by audio surveillance devices are stored and analysed, and were submitted to a section of the ITU where experts say representation from European and US organisations is exceptionally light. Half of the standards have already been approved, even though concerns are rising about how Chinese companies are gaining access to the personal data of individuals around the world.
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We should also be careful for falling in 'merica #1! mind set.
China has a larger population, about the same area as the United States, access to a lot of resources within its own borders, bordering or close by to a lot of other wealthy countries.
The only thing holding China back from eclipsing the United States is its own oppressive government, where even the smallest government restrictions are eased off, China can expect a massive growth.
Unfortunately in America a lot of people is seeing China's growth as if we are doing something wrong, and feel we need to change some things to do it the way China does. We want more surveillance, stronger police, better controlled government. This has factors across both political parties nearly equally.
The United States if they do everything right, and if China does everything right will mean China will the the #1 country in the world and the United States would be #2. China's population is its biggest asset.
During WWII America was mostly unaffected by the war at least on the mainland. So after WWII, it put it in a strong position to sell products and services worldwide, and be the global leader, while Europe and Asia was rebuilding often with American Products and Services. Now these countries have rebuilt many now with more modern infrastructure with China, Japan and EU having pieces in place for greater expansion.
I am an American and I am proud of my country and what it has done. But I am a realist, due to our location it was mostly protected from WWII and past few generations had reaped its benefits and now we are having other countries going back to their mathematical economic and power states.
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The United States if they do everything right, and if China does everything right will mean China will the the #1 country in the world and the United States would be #2. China's population is its biggest asset.
Their population?
Doesn't hurt that Mandarin Chinese have an average IQ almost an order of magnitude above average American.
There are plenty of teeming centers of population that, er, don't seem to be dominating science and technology.
But then again, IQ isn't everything either. Chinese invent steam engines first, and they literally remain just toys.
It may be hard to hit just the right combination of population (so that you have more people to choose outliers from), desire for freedom, greed, sense of jus
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Doesn't hurt that Mandarin Chinese have an average IQ almost an order of magnitude above average American.
Perhaps you misunderstand what "order of magnitude" typically means? Either that or you believe Americans have an average IQ of 10.
But then again, IQ isn't everything either. Chinese invent steam engines first, and they literally remain just toys.
Gunpowder is probably a better example. I think the ancient Greeks are the first known users of steam engines. But for both of those (and many other early inventions), further progress was probably hampered by a lack of complimentary technology, like metallurgy.
I think your point stands that intelligence isn't everything. Scientific progress seems to occur less frequently in
Well duh. (Score:1)
Our penis's gotta be bigget than theirs, you know? /s
Re: Msmash is a paid Chinese Agent (Score:2)
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During WWII America was mostly unaffected by the war at least on the mainland
Sure, dude; that's why, among lots of other things, for four years our pennies contained no copper, our nickels no nickel and children were raising chickens so troops could have eggs. Shut up.
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Not to mention taking millions of young men out of the work force for 4+ years, and having half a million of them never come home, had absolutely no impact on the US at all!
Speaking to his point though.. Sure, our industrial base wasn't bombed into oblivion; but even Western Germany returned to pre-war levels within 15 odd years. Saying that the US's post war economic boom is only due to the rest of the industrialized world being bombed into the 18th century is one of those easy, logical conclusions that j
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Maybe you should be less worried about the 'Murica crowd and be more worried about the United States becoming more like China. The more-successful China is (or appears to be; they like to hide thier debt numbers), the more-likely it is that elected politicians the world over will be tempted by totalitarian autocracy.
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the more-likely it is that elected politicians the world over will be tempted by totalitarian autocracy.
I have never seen any sign that China's economic success has anything to do with that movement, it was already gaining steam in the US during the Reagan years when China was just the most populous 3rd World Country. Poindexter started the Total Information Awareness program before China even had an Apple factory.
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If you want to go that far back, you can go further to J. Edgar Hoover. Point being, at least in the United States, stuff like that had to be kept secret from the public (or at least obscured). Remember, Poindexter's program lasted less than a year. Congress defunded it due to public outcry. China makes it all public and tells you it's in your best interest. THAT'S the direction you don't want for the U.S. (or any other "free" country).
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Personally I'd prefer it to be "in your face" so that I know what is happening and how. TIA didn't disappear, it just got moved to a quieter locale without its self-aggrandizing director. I'd be shocked if its descendants weren't happily living off the Black Budget.
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That's possible. But if it's "in your face" then it can't be exposed and gotten rid of as completely illegal. China's autocrats are quite clear: they own society, and if you live in their country, then they own you. Once the U.S. becomes like that, we're done.
Re:Msmash is a paid Chinese Agent (Score:5, Insightful)
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Hong Kong will turn into another Tiananmen Square Massacre eventually.
The world won't do jack shit about it.
China has to be taken down from within.
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We've got this. (Score:3, Insightful)
We're in your phone. We're in your tablet. We're in your smart car, smart TV, in your computers, in your Ring doorbell, in your Echo, we're even in your tooth fillings.
Face it. You're essentially tagged and branded just like a cow put out to pasture.
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Hey, don't insult cows like that! (Score:2)
They still get to choose what to swallow!
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the computer is made in USA
Assembled in the USA from Chinese parts is not the same thing.
Fish show dominance in aquatic technology (Score:2)
Nazi-led Germany state agencies have made every submission for the international standards on genocide and racially-motivated imprisonment of civilian populations. Pro-genocide pundits are baffled regarding the strong, sudden lead Germany has taken on this key new technology; however, concerns are now rising about how Germany has collected its standards data and whether it can apply to other target groups.
So US corporations are fish? (Score:2)
Cause they and China don't differ in morals or totalitarianness, you know?
Post-reality-distortion-bubbles, of course.
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China is better at keeping their atrocities secret.
BTW, China murdered more people than Hitler even knew existed.
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[citation needed]
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Actually it's not that hard to find estimates that put it at least as high as the Nazi genocides. This wikipedia article sums up the estimates from a fair number of historians and researchers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Estimates vary, but 20 million people would not be far off the mark, and not far off of what the Nazis did.
If you count communist and despotic regimes across the planet over the last 100 years, the number of people killed could be as high as 100,000,000.
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Mao and the communists were nasty, but were still better than what came before. A friend grew up the son of missionaries in western China in the 1920s and '30s. Three million people died of starvation in a single year of famine, while in eastern China they were still exporting rice because Japan and and India would pay more than starving peasants could.
aquatic technology is dominated by... (Score:2)
Re: Mars 2024 (Score:1)
* The US Constitution is a very bad model for any Constitution after the XIX century...
Dictatorship is most interested in survelliance (Score:3)
Damn commies! (Score:2)
We. Must. Close. The. Totalitarian. Gap! (Score:2)
It cannot be, that we are not number one in something! /s
. . .
Seriously, it'd be funny if it wasn't realistic though...
Something to be proud of (Score:2)
o_O
I see what you did there... (Score:1)
clever!
Link is paywalled (Score:3)
It's hard to understand the summary exactly without reading the paywalled source article.
Why would Chinese firms be submitting surveillance "standards" to the UN? For what purpose? Who even created these standards? Why in the hell does the ITU maintain standards about how video and audio will be stored from spy cameras? The whole things seems . . . weird, and possibly irrelevant.
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Hikvision is trying to get its cameras accepted as a standard security surveillance device, Dahua is trying to break out of the cheap home security system market and into commercial security where the real money is. Both companies have improved their products the last few years, although they're still miles behind Axis or Pelco, but their equipment has such a bad name that it will take years before security professionals will give them a second glance. I think ZTE has a new-ish CCTV system. I suspect the
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That supplies some clarification. If this article was meant to be another "China did something bad today" story, one would think that the decision of Chinese firms to submit to the ITU instead of the IEEE describes some potentially-nefarious intent (namely: seeking UN enforcement power). It's one thing to want to improve your reputation, it's another to "push around even the likes of AT&T if they get backing from UN member states".
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