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Privacy-Focused Android Q Still Lets Advertisers Track You (sdtimes.com) 63

"The upcoming version of the Android operating system is taking a strong focus on privacy," reports SD Times, "but the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) believes it could still do better." Android Q's new privacy features include: user control over app access to device location, new limits on access to files in shared external storage, restrictions on launching activities, and restrictions on access to the device's hardware and sensors... "However, in at least one area, Q's improvements are undermined by Android's continued support of a feature that allows third-party advertisers, including Google itself, to track users across apps," Bennett Cyphers, engineer for the EFF, wrote in a post. "Furthermore, Android still doesn't let users control their apps' access to the Internet, a basic permission that would address a wide range of privacy concerns."

According to Cyphers, while Android Q has new restrictions on non-resettable device identifies, it will allow unrestricted access for its own tracking identifier [called "advertising ID"]... "Facebook and other targeting companies allow businesses to upload lists of ad IDs that they have collected in order to target those users on other platforms," he wrote... "On Android, there is no way for the user to control which apps can access the ID, and no way to turn it off. While we support Google taking steps to protect other hardware identifiers from unnecessary access, its continued support of the advertising ID -- a "feature" designed solely to support tracking -- undercuts the company's public commitment to privacy," he wrote...

Cypher also noted that while Apple's iOS has similar identifiers for advertisers that contradict with its privacy campaign, it does enable users to turn off the tracking.

In fact, Android Q also ships with an "opt out of ad personalization" checkbox where users can indicate that they don't want Google's identifier to track them, Cyphers reports -- but "the checkbox doesn't affect the ad ID in any way.

"It only encodes the user's 'preference', so that when an app asks Android whether a user wants to be tracked, the operating system can reply 'no, actually they don't.' Google's terms tell developers to respect this setting, but Android provides no technical safeguards to enforce this policy."
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Privacy-Focused Android Q Still Lets Advertisers Track You

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  • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Saturday July 27, 2019 @06:53PM (#58998980)

    Makes perfect sense to me. At least they are consistent.

    • People need to flee Google products if they want this behavior to change.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      No, TFA is a lie.

      Settings -> Google -> Ads -> Reset Advertising ID

      I checked out the beta a month ago and that option is still there. There is a free app called "Device IDs" that lets you view all that data, and on Q all but the advertising ID and local IP address were unavailable. TFA is right that a built in firewall would be nice.

      • Settings -> Google -> Ads -> Reset Advertising ID

        Resetting it is not the same as disabling it. I can tell my browser to clear cookies on exit, but that still means that I'll be tracked across all of the websites that I visit until I exit.

        We need something which generates a separate Advertising ID for every app, and then resets those periodically.

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          I agree. Unfortunately without rooting the phone it doesn't seem to be possible.

          • by gweihir ( 88907 )

            It is a pretty sad state of affairs if you have to compromise a device you own in order to get acceptable security.

  • It's all relative. If they make one incremental improvement in privacy over the previous version their job is done.

  • So long as you can root the phone, sandbox those silly app permission, and run an adblocker, Google can't deliver diddly!

    Oh and that APK guy can go stick his head in an oven lit remotely by Ms. Hudson.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Ms Hudson?

      You meant Mr. Hudson.

      Tom Hudson is a guy. Man. Male. XY chromosomes. Dude.

      Tom can ask people to call him Barbara, take hormones, lop off his cock, wear make up and skirts, get implants. Still a guy. An emotionally crippled and highly disturbed guy, but still a guy.

      Don't feed and support someone's mental illness. It's cruel and wrong.

  • by FudRucker ( 866063 ) on Saturday July 27, 2019 @07:06PM (#58999022)
    you made me hate my phone,

    now is the time for a GNU/GPL FOSS Linux smartphone, with a selection of distros for users to choose from that actually respects people's privacy
    • Re:thanks google (Score:4, Insightful)

      by bobstreo ( 1320787 ) on Saturday July 27, 2019 @08:15PM (#58999186)

      Why not just put another OS on existing hardware?

      Lineage OS for example:

      https://wiki.lineageos.org/dev... [lineageos.org]

    • by e r ( 2847683 )
      This should be exactly what you're looking for: https://puri.sm/products/libre... [puri.sm]
  • by epine ( 68316 ) on Saturday July 27, 2019 @07:09PM (#58999044)

    This does practically nothing to abet privacy, but it sure does standardize Android tracking around Google's favourite identifier.

    Don't miss next Tuesday's all-you-can-eat cake-having party in the main Googleplex atrium.

    • It walls out all competing malware. Google wants that valuable information only for themselves and those they choose to share with.

  • That's why I still use them.
  • You keep using that term. I do not think it means what you think it means.

  • Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by Rick Schumann ( 4662797 ) on Saturday July 27, 2019 @10:04PM (#58999462) Journal
    Unless you can have 100% control over what software is running the phone and 100% control over it's overall configuration like you can with a general purpose computer, your smartphone is never, ever going to be 'secure'. You want secure? Give up your smartphone.
    • your smartphone is never, ever going to be 'secure'. You want secure? Give up your smartphone.

      ^^^^This. 100% correct.

      Smartphones will never truly be secure because they live within an ecosystem that is not secure.

  • "The upcoming version of the Android operating system is taking a strong focus on privacy,"

    As opposed to all the previous versions...

  • In other words things will break again and will get crippled even more and there will be no way to go back (unless you root your device, already not possible on many). I mean for completely legit backup/sync apps, for everything inside termux (like rsync, sftp, etc.) but not only limited to that and so on. Thank you Google for protecting us from ourselves.

  • there is no point trying to secure something that has been made in core to behave like that.
    We need new hardware and new software. I can't imagine a "secure" android OS or device.
  • by Hognoxious ( 631665 ) on Sunday July 28, 2019 @05:31AM (#59000304) Homepage Journal

    In WW2 Q ships were modified cargo vessels. They would pretend to be damaged or lost in order to lure U boats into attacking them on the surface. Then panels would open and guns pop out and blow the beastly huns to bits.

    I'm sure it's only the letter Q that reminded me of that, and not the deception bit at all.

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