Want to read Slashdot from your mobile device? Point it at m.slashdot.org and keep reading!

 



Forgot your password?
typodupeerror
×
Advertising Facebook Google Government

News Industry Argues Google and Facebook 'Rob Journalism of Its Revenue', Seek Government Help (usatoday.com) 250

This week USA Today's former editor-in-chief argued that "Tech overlords Google and Facebook have used monopoly to rob journalism of its revenue," in an op-ed shared by schwit1: Over the past decade, the news business has endured a bloodbath, with tens of thousands of journalists losing their jobs amid mass layoffs. The irony is, more people than ever are consuming news... Why the disconnect? Look no further than a new study by the News Media Alliance, which found that in 2018, Google made $4.7 billion off of news content -- almost as much as every news organization in America combined made from digital ads last year. Yet Google paid a grand total of zero for the privilege. News industry revenue, meanwhile, has plunged... Google and Facebook command about 60% of all U.S. digital advertising revenue, and have siphoned off billions of dollars that once were the lifeblood of the news media.

Let's be perfectly clear: Journalism's primary revenue source has been hijacked. It's time that news providers are compensated for the journalism they produce. That's why passage of the bipartisan Journalism Competition and Preservation Act is crucial...

Toward that end, "News industry officials, including Atlanta Journal-Constitution Editor Kevin Riley, testified Tuesday on Capitol Hill in favor of legislation they say would help recover advertising revenue lost in recent years to tech behemoths such as Google and Facebook."
The bipartisan bill would provide a four-year reprieve from federal antitrust laws, allowing print and digital publishers to collectively bargain with tech companies about how their content is used -- and what share of ad dollars they'll receive.... Federal antitrust laws bar news organizations from banding together to negotiate more favorable terms from social media and search sites. And individual outlets are deterred from acting alone, according to Chavern's group, because large tech companies could tank a news organization's traffic by demoting or excluding its stories from searches.

The bill's proponents say it could help turn the tide for an industry that's been harmed over the past two decades by declining print subscriptions and ad revenue streams that have dried up and increasingly headed online. As tech sites' share of advertising revenue has grown -- Google's skyrocketed from $3.8 billion in 2005 to $52.4 billion in 2017 -- U.S. newspapers have watched their's nosedive from more than $49 billion to $16.5 billion during the same 12-year period, according to the Pew Research Center.

This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.

News Industry Argues Google and Facebook 'Rob Journalism of Its Revenue', Seek Government Help

Comments Filter:
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 15, 2019 @06:37PM (#58769370)

    They tel everyone else to do so

  • by NoNonAlphaCharsHere ( 2201864 ) on Saturday June 15, 2019 @06:41PM (#58769380)
    The "former editor-in-chief" of USA Today, you know, the first NATIONAL newspaper, the one that helped drive many of the small-town newspapers out of business, (and lowered journalistic standards by an order of magnitude or two) is bitching about how newspapers can't make any money. Cry me a river.
    • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Saturday June 15, 2019 @07:00PM (#58769436)

      He is just trying to game the system to give him money without him actually having a worthwhile product. Many people do that and some are even successful.

    • Mod parent UP!

      When paint rollers were first available, professional painters protested. They didn't want people doing their own painting.

      We must somehow move forward in very creative ways.
      • by ClickOnThis ( 137803 ) on Saturday June 15, 2019 @07:41PM (#58769550) Journal

        When paint rollers were first available, professional painters protested. They didn't want people doing their own painting.

        Non sequitur.

        Journalism is far more important to democracy and society than painting, and the consequences of doing it unprofessionally are far greater.

        Yes, I get that the internet lets just about anyone be a journalist, and established media organizations need to adapt to that reality if they want to survive. But good journalism is expensive. It requires expertise, time, and resources. If other tech companies are linking to news stories and not compensating the creators for the privilege, then the news suffers. I think it's a fair topic for discussion.

        And now I have to reflect on the irony of saying all of this on slashdot, a site whose sine qua non is the relinking of news stories on other sites.

        • by Rockoon ( 1252108 ) on Saturday June 15, 2019 @07:50PM (#58769576)

          Journalism is far more important to democracy and society than painting

          Not when its failing because of the content produced.

          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Sunday June 16, 2019 @06:23AM (#58770850) Homepage Journal

            But let's look at why it's failing.

            Used to be you would have to buy a newspaper to get more than just some basic TV/radio news. Newspapers were funded by the purchase cost and by adverts. Only the front page needed any clickbait because it was the only part visible on the stand, and even that was limited by the fact that most readers were loyal customers buying for the stuff inside.

            Good, expensive journalism was well supported.

            Now everyone expects everything for free on the internet. Paywalls are a failed business model outside of specialist publications like the FT. Advertising rates are in the toilet and half the readership blocks them anyway. Rival publications are a click away, and lots of people are using news aggregation sites or social media rather than browsing through just one site.

            Alternatives do exist. The Guardian has managed to fund itself with donations and so still manages to do good journalism, e.g. exposing the Windrush scandal.

            • by Impy the Impiuos Imp ( 442658 ) on Sunday June 16, 2019 @07:46AM (#58771058) Journal

              People would block ads less if they stuck to banner and sidebar ads and stopped with overlays and popups and autoplay.

              Go to CNN, click on a video link for a 1 minute video, get a video ad shoved in your face for 30s. Close. Nope, not worth it.

              • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

                Internet ad rates are so low compared to what they used to get for print that they have turned to these aggressive tactics. Plus they don't do an adequate job of screening for malware or pay compensation when they accidentally distribute it.

        • Then journalists should forget about advertisements and simply charge consumers for content.

          If consumers donâ(TM)t want to pay for the content, well, that pretty much indicates what people think the output of journalists is worth.

          Market may bear, motherfuckers!

          • by ClickOnThis ( 137803 ) on Saturday June 15, 2019 @11:12PM (#58770032) Journal

            You're not paying attention. The issue is that news organizations complain they are being deprived of ad revenue by other tech and social-media sites who re-link to their stories without compensating them, but still collect ad revenue themselves.

            Either through subscription fees or through increased prices for goods due to advertising costs, consumers are paying for content. It's just that a large chunk of the revenue does not make it to the content-providers.

            • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Sunday June 16, 2019 @05:16AM (#58770694)

              It's just that a large chunk of the revenue does not make it to the content-providers.

              They could start by writing meaningful headlines that actually give me a reason to click on a story. If I see a headline pop up in a Google card that says: "NVIDIA new announcement will AMAZE you." I will happily skip as I don't want to potentially waste my time clicking on a bullshit article. And the big news organisations aren't immune from clickbait crap.

              Ironically if you want me to click through the site, don't write a click bait headline, but rather go back to writing headlines the way it was taught in English classes 40 years ago and TELL people the most important point of your story in the headline.

              It would also help if actual websites on mobile actually showed content. You get far more content on your screen in a single google card than say CNN's mobile site where you click in: advertisement at the top, advertisement at the bottom, auto-playing video taking up 2/3rds of the screen, and look you can't even display the article headline anymore without forcing the user to scroll.

              Speaking of headlines, here's a better one for this Slashdot story:
              "Industry that shat its own bed complains of smell, wants government to come change the sheets."

            • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

              That's always been the case though. One newspaper spends a large amount of time and money developing a story, and as soon as it's published the others all do their own write ups with a brief mention of where it originated from.

        • by moschner ( 3003611 ) on Saturday June 15, 2019 @08:25PM (#58769656)

          In many cases, Facebook and Google are sending more people to the news sites. This should be driving more ad impressions for the news sites and getting them more ad revenue.
          However, where many news organizations fail to capitalize on this and online revenue in general (which is often still more than they get from print ads/ota commercials) is the news sites rely on outside ad companies.
          Users block those ad companies across the board, the ad companies take a share of the ad revenue, and deliver ads that are often not at all relevant to reader.
          The biggest revenue hit for papers was the rise of sites like Craig's List, providing a free alternative to the classifieds which were a big source of income for local papers.
          Beyond all that, the consolidation of papers, delivery and logistical issues, and basic corporate greed have taken their toll.

        • "Journalism is far more important to democracy and society than painting, and the consequences of doing it unprofessionally are far greater."

          Not to mention that painters can be very bad for democracy, especially Austrian ones.

        • Seriously? You dredge up "unprofessionally"? You mean like Duranty , Cronkite, Rather, Glass and company? *Those* professionals?
        • by vlad30 ( 44644 )

          When paint rollers were first available, professional painters protested. They didn't want people doing their own painting.

          Non sequitur.

          Journalism is far more important to democracy and society than painting, and the consequences of doing it unprofessionally are far greater.

          No accurate reporting is far more important to democracy Journalist are not reporters and express opinions and try to push a point many of them are activists who think they should use their job to push their pet project e.g. "climate change" instead of beings the Reporters of the past would fact check the sources as their reputation was important. Journalists rely on the news cycle dumping their story for the next one before the sketchy facts are checked

      • When paint rollers were first available, professional painters protested. They didn't want people doing their own painting.

        People have been doing their own painting for centuries before the paint roller was invented, dude. Don't make stuff up.

    • The "former editor-in-chief" of USA Today, you know, the first NATIONAL newspaper, the one that helped drive many of the small-town newspapers out of business, (and lowered journalistic standards by an order of magnitude or two) is bitching about how newspapers can't make any money. Cry me a river.

      Reminds me of large chain drug stores like CVS driving mom and pop drug stores out of business because they negotiated better drug price deals, and now, 30 years later are being killed by Walmart and big chain supermarkets.

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Saturday June 15, 2019 @06:41PM (#58769382)
    when it stopped caring about me. Where's the muck racking? What happened to exposing the powerful and rocking the establishment boat? Why the hell should I pay any attention to CNN & MSNBC when they're busy getting me into pointless wars and publishing corporate memos verbatim like they were news. The final straw was when they gave the establishment fav, Joe Biden, literally 4 times the coverage as every other candidate combined.

    These days I get my news from a handful of YouTube sites like The Young Turks, Secular Talk, and sometimes the BBC. Everything I see in establishment media I take with a cow's lick worth of salt.
    • by Shadow of Eternity ( 795165 ) on Saturday June 15, 2019 @06:53PM (#58769410)

      Racist Armenian Holocaust deniers named after a group that perpetrated a genocide, the founder of the group that brought us congresswomen who quote nazis, and the most establishment of establishment news media.

      • care to name her and the quote + context? I've quoted Nazis myself, not favorably.

        As for the Armenian Genocide, Cenk Uygur [tyt.com] recanted 3 years ago. Better late then never, and I don't mind them using the name if that's what bothers you.

        Finally, Uygur had a nice gig going with MSNBC as their token lefty (the MSNBC equivalent to Alan Combs) and walked away from it in the wake of their media blackout on Bernie Sanders. I'm not sure I coulda said no to a nice big steady paycheck like that. Journalism's a t
        • I never heard that Cenk recanted his genocide denial or that he walked away from MSNBC after seeing their bias up close. Despite being hardcore right, my opinion of him has just improved a little.

          No small feat, as i'm ethnic Greek...

          • is that he took so long to come around. I can understand the mistake in 1999. Internet was in it's infancy and information hard to come by. By 2005, maybe 2010 he should have been able to get it.

            Then again I don't know his history. He might have Just not thought much about it in the intervening years. It came up mostly because of the name he choose.
    • by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Saturday June 15, 2019 @07:13PM (#58769474) Journal

      Where's the muck racking?

      Well this one is not making the Zuck look good [wsj.com].

      Why the hell should I pay any attention to CNN & MSNBC

      Read print not that.

    • The muck-raking is gone because muck-raking is expensive.
    • by ClickOnThis ( 137803 ) on Saturday June 15, 2019 @07:56PM (#58769598) Journal

      What happened to exposing the powerful and rocking the establishment boat? Why the hell should I pay any attention to CNN & MSNBC when they're busy getting me into pointless wars and publishing corporate memos verbatim like they were news.

      I'm sorry rsilvergun, but you've lost me here. MSNBC for one seems to have lots of commentators who expose the powerful and rock the establishment boat. Perhaps somewhat less on CNN, but they're there.

      And what "pointless wars" are you talking about? The only pointless war in recent memory is the Iraq war, started not by CNN and MSNBC, but by faulty intel put forward by the CIA under the George W. Bush administration.

      • Citation needed (Score:5, Insightful)

        by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Saturday June 15, 2019 @08:30PM (#58769676)
        MSNBC was right there to get us into the Iraq war and ran the party line on that Japanese tanker who's owner came right out and said "No, it wasn't mines". They've been hammering Joe Biden down our throats too, which bugs me because until I saw stuff like this [youtube.com] and this [youtube.com] I thought Biden was a left wing pro-Union guy (admittedly I feel stupid for falling for the propaganda there).

        They were there to help sell the bail outs. They continue to turn a blind eye to the shit storm in Yemen and again, ran the party line on Venezuela (which thanks to a YouTube channel called Status Coup I now know is more nuanced than "Everybody want Maduro gone").

        Oh, and let's now forget that it's come out they did a press blackout on Bernie Sanders to ensure Hilary got the nomination.

        MSNBC is the Democratic Party Establishment's propaganda arm. If this was just a game I wouldn't care, but there's a lot riding on the next election. I've got friends and family who's lives would be changed for the better if we had Single Payer Healthcare. Not "a little better" but "not going to die of insulin shock from untreated Type-I" diabetes better. Meanwhile I've got these schmucks who are far right on everything economic that get a pass because they stopped opposing gay marriage around 2009 when the public's minds changed.

        MSNBC, CNN and Fox news are all exactly the same. They're there to keep the rich rich. Sorry if I sound harsh, but this is a harsh fucking world and it's those fuckers that're keeping it that way.
        • Re:Citation needed (Score:5, Informative)

          by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Saturday June 15, 2019 @10:07PM (#58769896) Journal

          MSNBC was right there to get us into the Iraq war and ran the party line on that Japanese tanker who's owner came right out and said "No, it wasn't mines".

          Yeah, I remember when they got Noam Chomsky on the air, interviewed him and really harassed him for being opposed to the Iraq war. Chomsky held his ground. I've never admired that man more than at that moment (and I've admired him for a lot of things).

          • MSNBC was right there to get us into the Iraq war and ran the party line on that Japanese tanker who's owner came right out and said "No, it wasn't mines".

            Yeah, I remember when they got Noam Chomsky on the air, interviewed him and really harassed him for being opposed to the Iraq war. Chomsky held his ground. I've never admired that man more than at that moment (and I've admired him for a lot of things).

            I didn't appreciate Chomsky grammar at college, but 30 years of engineering later, I'm impressed with its utility and the guy who invented it.

        • As someone who has a double major degree in Journalism and Poli-sci, let me say - you're not wrong.

          I'm on the opposite side of the political spectrum, and so naturally I interpret the same events totally differently - for instance, this "japanese tanker" business. Every outlet running headlines screaming "Japanese Tanker crew testimony contradicts US claims of limpet mines" is effectively shilling for Iran's murderous theocratic regime, as limpet mines and "flying objects" are not mutually exclusive (RPGs a

          • to figure out that Iran didn't attack a Japanese tanker. We would crush them in a war, we're looking for any excuse to go to war so Trump can get reelected, and we have thrown the leaders to the wolves on every regime change war in history. I'm sorry, but if this is not painfully obvious and if you're not chomping at the bit to prove the administration wrong then you've drunk the admin's kool-aid.

            Trump has done nothing to harm the establishment. His tariffs are a minor nussance, that's all. And he's bro
      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        And what "pointless wars" are you talking about? The only pointless war in recent memory is the Iraq war

        Well, you better take some extra Alzheimer's medication.

        The U.S. has not been involved in one legitimate, necessary, military action since the end of World War II. None. Zero. It has all been complete bullshit that has caused more harm than good and has done nothing except pump trillions in the pockets of defense contractors.

      • by iNaya ( 1049686 )
        The US had a large hand in destroying Libya and Syria. Created a massive migrant/refugee problem as well as strengthening ISIS as the beginning.
      • Comment removed based on user account deletion
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Seems more like the much-racking is out of control. Look at all the BS printed about politicians these days. It's got to the point where the only ones who can rise above it are the ones who run on a platform of "yes, I'm a liar and a cheat and a failure, but at least I tell you what you want to hear!"

    • You have to goto the comedy shows now for the muck racking and otherwise speaking truth to power. John Oliver's show: Last Week Tonight, in particular, does old-school deep-dive investigative journalism in a way I've not seen since 1990s-era 60 Minutes. He just throws in some humor to go with it. But he actually manages to make things like net neutrality entertaining and engaging. And as important as net neutrality is; I do have to agree with Oliver that the discussion on it is otherwise objectively bo

  • by NixieBunny ( 859050 ) on Saturday June 15, 2019 @06:42PM (#58769388) Homepage
    Craigslist replaced the horrible newspaper online classifieds with free ones that didn't suck. But they didn't do it to get rich, so that revenue just disappeared. Oopsie!
  • by tomhath ( 637240 ) on Saturday June 15, 2019 @06:44PM (#58769392)
    You want to attract readers? Quit pushing a constant stream of opinions and get back to reporting news.
  • by known_coward_69 ( 4151743 ) on Saturday June 15, 2019 @06:45PM (#58769394)

    25 years ago all the big newspapers made money from classifieds, job ads and real estate listings. The internet came along and they acted all snobby and let someone steal their revenue and now they are crying how they can't make money.

    • by registrations_suck ( 1075251 ) on Saturday June 15, 2019 @08:33PM (#58769684)

      Pretty much.

      Same for people who bitch about Amazon. Sears SHOULD have been Amazon. They just had no fucking vision.

      Same with Polaroid. Oops!!
      Same with Kodak. Oops!!
      At least Nikon figures it out.

      As for newspapers....most newspapers (say, any local paper not in a bonafide âoebig cityâ) should have folded its print operations a long time ago.

      • by That YouTube Guy ( 5905468 ) on Saturday June 15, 2019 @10:38PM (#58769952)

        Sears was the Amazon of snail mail back in the day. I'm old enough to remember how excited my parents were when the new Sears catalog showed up in the mail. You could order anything out of the catalog and the mailman would show up with it four to six weeks later. That was before shopping malls and big box stores popped up everywhere.

        The real problem with Sears was being bought out by a hedge fund, loaded up with debt, and run into the ground. Only a hedge fund would think owning Sears and K-Mart under the same business was a good idea.

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by dryeo ( 100693 )

          Hey, that hedge fund made a lot of money while killing Sears. Who cares about the employees pensions when there's people who need another yacht.

          • You make it sound like it was not a good idea killing Sears (employee pensions aside). Don't forget, even for ruthless hedge fund managers, basic free market rules apply. In order to make a killing, you need to find/extract more value than had existed previously. Turns out, the real estate Sears owned in many, many major shopping centers (and they've been around long enough to actually either own the RE or have sweetheart 99 yr leases) is worth much more to other than it is holding a big box store with o
      • Same with Kodak. Oops!!
        At least Nikon figures it out.

        This is actually a bit of a different story. Kodak actively destroyed itself while promoting the competitor. They developed a digital sensor and all their demonstrations bolted them in Nikon bodies. Simultaneously they obsoleted their main revenue source while cementing the reputation of an indirect competitor in the consumers minds as "the future".

        The newspaper industry let the world pass by, Kodak actively pushed the world ahead while chosing to remain behind.

  • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Saturday June 15, 2019 @06:55PM (#58769420)

    They must have misunderstood capitalism on a pretty fundamental level.

    • They must have misunderstood capitalism on a pretty fundamental level.

      There's more to life than capitalism. A free and independent press is necessary for a functioning democracy. These things cost money.

      • There's more to life than capitalism. A free and independent press is necessary for a functioning democracy. These things cost money.

        And you get an independent press by getting the government to shut down any competition, right?

        • And you get an independent press by getting the government to shut down any competition, right?

          That all depends on if they do anything about fishing rights.

          I figured I'd answer one non sequitur with another.

      • Both are vital to the advantages of living in a free society. Capitalism, derivative of freedom, provides the econonomic might to stock shelves and invent things, and the tax base for amelioration of its own rough edges, and speech via journalism keeps everything in line.

      • There's more to life than capitalism. ... These things cost money.

        Seems you have a conundrum.

    • by green1 ( 322787 )
      They understand modern capitalism all too well.

      Making a better product so that more people want to buy it is so last century. The game now is to bribe... I mean lobby... politicians to outlaw any competition, or legally mandate your product.

      This is done through such things as ever extending, and ever more draconian copyrights and patents. This is done through increased regulatory burden on many industries making it harder for new entrants to navigate the beuraucracy. This is done through taxing new technolo
      • by gweihir ( 88907 )

        That is not capitalism. That is the corrupt actual implementation with its strongly anti-competitive characteristics and perverted incentives.

    • No, they don't "misunderstand" capitalism. They think capitalism is evil, and that they should be entitled to whatever money they want because they are doing such noble work. They would prefer that capitalism become illegal.

  • Perish the thought!

  • by rnmartinez ( 968929 ) on Saturday June 15, 2019 @07:07PM (#58769456)
    I can only speak from a Canadian perspective, but I find that facebook and google news don't always do a great job of local news. And what does my local newspaper do? Reports on stuff in Afghanistan (where they have no reporters or local resources) and sometimes ignores local issues and stories. I think this is a void that could account for some lost revenue.
    • Small town papers have always relied on the Associated Press. They will only have 1 or 2 full-time reporters, one of whom will be of the "arts and entertainment" variety. They have never had investigative journalists, which was always restricted to big city papers
    • by Dixie_Flatline ( 5077 ) <vincent@jan@goh.gmail@com> on Sunday June 16, 2019 @07:18AM (#58770984) Homepage

      Canadian news used to be better about local stories. The problem is that PostMedia has bought everything, and so everything is done at a central location (to keep costs low) and sent back out. So for instance, the Edmonton Journal used to be such an Edmonton institution that they partly owned the Oilers for a time; they had enough spare money for that. They had a significant local presence and did excellent reporting.

      PostMedia owns them now, which means the Edmonton Journal has exactly the same stories as all the other papers in Canada, and very little local news. The opinions are slanted to favour the editorial position of PostMedia and fewer and fewer people care to read the same bland stuff they can get online from better sources. Unsurprisingly, this also means that PostMedia is heavily in debt and canâ(TM)t recover from buying all the newspapers across Canada. Because everything is the same, they have no value proposition. Why would I read their world or national news when I can go to the Guardian and get better coverage?

      Now the Canadian government is establishing a fund to prop up news organizations here, but that really just means corporate welfare for PostMedia. They should be allowed to die. They have a strong right-leaning bent, so they should welcome the inevitability of capitalism, and allow local news to re-establish itself, but of course they plan to take that money and run because the owners donâ(TM)t actually give two shits about capitalism.

      Anyway, long story short, a lot of these news organizations have sowed the seeds of their own demise and they should be allowed to die. I have no sympathy for the hyper-capitalist right-wing tools that have been destroying our news institutions for years. We may as well let them die and start over with a more level playing field.

      • I read the Edmonton Journal regularly, and there's plenty of local content. They repeat AP stories published in the national newspapers, but that's just simply to get more content. And the editorial board of every newpaper is biased, which is why you need to read multiple of them. The EJ does represent a more Edmonton-specific politic though, I remember when they published an editorial calling for the more gun bans.. I don't think I've ever seen an opinion drive such a backlash.
  • by brxndxn ( 461473 ) on Saturday June 15, 2019 @07:15PM (#58769476)

    there just aren't very many real journalists left. All of the major news outlets in the US are so bad it should be considered criminal. I think if we let the whole 'industry' die, something better will rise out of the ashes. It really cannot get any worse than it is. It takes a truly evil person to be a gatekeeper of the truth who the masses rely on - and use that to tell half-truths, propaganda, leave out common knowledge, and outright lie.

    The only people in society I like are the ones that are sick of the bullshit that others call news.

  • by zkiwi34 ( 974563 ) on Saturday June 15, 2019 @07:38PM (#58769542)

    The number of advertisements grew hugely, and actual content (news) shrank.
    The âoeimmediacyâ of the internet suckered them into trying to a) get content from wherever as fast as possible, and b) got them to go on a publish or perish vicious cycle, where they publish anything because they feel they have to to âoekeep up.â
    Odd side effects of this have been rapidly shrinking numbers of actual news gatherers, these being replaced by opinion writers.
    Itâ(TM)s thought of as too hard, and not that interesting (leading to less page clicks) to just report what happened, where and when it happened and if people were involved who did what.
    So, itâ(TM)s pretty much all devolved to agreed narratives with screeds of sycophantic opinion pieces.
    Honestly, the apocalypse could actually be happening and youâ(TM)re more likely to find the media talking about how it might affect the Kardashians as itâ(TM)s focus.

  • by Streetlight ( 1102081 ) on Saturday June 15, 2019 @08:11PM (#58769628) Journal
    My readings of various newspapers is that they have very little news and what they contain is mostly features, such as diet suggestions, agony columns, food recipe pages and on-and-on. There seems to be more information about sports than actual news, though if you're interested in baseball box scores, you're covered in spades.
    • I suggest you read some actual newspapers rather than tabloids. You seem to be describing the Daily Mail quite well.

    • I subscribe to, and read, the Washington Post (although I am not particularly liberal). Yes, I can hear your eyes rolling from here, but I have to say that I have never seen the A section (front page, general news) ever contain "diet suggestions, agony columns, food recipe pages" and rarely sports. (If I did see such things on the front page, I would probably stop reading it)

  • The News Industry (Score:5, Insightful)

    by nehumanuscrede ( 624750 ) on Saturday June 15, 2019 @08:27PM (#58769662)

    The " News " Industry is a certifiable joke.

    They quit reporting on the " News " long, long ago. It's now a sensationalist cesspool with an obvious political bias the flavor of which depends upon which dumpster fire we're referring to. The fact they're complaining about revenue is the biggest evidence there is that they're not interested in delivering factual based content, but rather anything that generates more money. ( Which is how we got to where we are today. )

    Here, allow me to help.

    Your JOB is to deliver / report upon verifiable facts heretofore known as NEWS. The moment that idea got lost and you started reporting on rumors and gossip instead, you ceased being the news and became nothing more than a broadcast version of a tabloid.

    The news is not the place for any of the following:

    The never-ending op-ed hit piece against whatever political party your CEO loathes.
    The GD Kardashians. ( or any celebrity or politician for that matter )
    And definitely not the rest of the silly eye-rolling trash that seems to be the market standard.

    You get long term viewers eyes by gaining their respect. Be factual, be truthful and drop all the tabloid bullshit and you'll recover.

    Keep up the stupidity and you'll simply cease to be at all.

    That is all.

    • There are plenty of players who do what you want. You sound like you're talking about the usual nutjobs like the Daily Mail and similar pointless sensationalist tabloid shit, and then calling it the "news industry".

  • The classifieds and local advertising used to be the main income source of a paper. The papers competed by providing local coverage and local distribution of a physical product. With the internet there really is only room for 5 to 10 non-local news sources and maybe 2 classified sources (the classifieds really do tend to standardize). If 5000 companies all compete for that market they will divide the revenue to the point where all of them do a terrible job in both the reporting and in the gathering of th
  • by balaam's ass ( 678743 ) on Saturday June 15, 2019 @09:13PM (#58769784) Journal
    So, if I see a link on Facebook or Google to a news article and I click that link, and it takes me to the website of the news company....then?.... how are Facebook or Google stealing the revenue? Legit confused. (Couldn't access the USA Today article due to some weird 'let us access your device' screen -- No thanks.)

    Also, one of the links (for the word "plunged") is about how *circulation* (not online access) has plunged, but then the same article has a graph showing "Newspapers' circulation revenue climbs steadily even as advertising declines" -- so....wtf? "Climbs steadily" sounds pretty good, huh?

    I'd welcome any replies to help make sense of...any of this.
    • I had the same question. However, based on a comment above, I think the issue is that search sites divert clicks to re-writers/aggregators. E.g.

      - The New York Times publishes a story.

      - Some other "news" sites read that original story and paraphrase it to publish their own, hopefully with a link back to the NYT article.

      - Google/Facebook/etc give links to all sites with versions of that story. Too many people click the second-hand sites giving ad revenue to those sites, but not to the site that actually
  • LMAO (Score:5, Insightful)

    by poity ( 465672 ) on Saturday June 15, 2019 @09:31PM (#58769816)

    Half of the news now is reporting on "reactions" to news events. The actual news events themselves are more often reported by eyewitnesses on their social media accounts, which go viral, and THEN the journalists pick up the story. The distributed system of current events reporting is already here.

    • There are tons of situations where a journalist has special contacts and networking that helps them both break a story, and yes, react to it by either corroborating or validating or offering context. They often have access to experts in relevant areas, are familiar with the history of what they're covering, and have a good instinct for how to follow up and what questions to raise.

      Reading a tweet is great if you can somehow get all the rest of that stuff too but most people won't know what to make of it.

  • The news is not now, nor has it ever been, a profitable industry. From the very beginning it was subsidized by add revenue. The difference now is the news service isn't getting that subsidy.
  • All the media releases of Google/Facebook/etc and how bad they are. This is the endgame here. Here I just thought it was socialist fucktards. I was proven wrong they just want mo money.
  • I was busy smashing this automated loom.

  • The proposal here is that news organisations can negotiate collectively with platforms such as Facebook/Google on how their content will be distributed. The suggested bill gives them a temporary exemption from anti-trust law to enable this.

    That's a lot more sensible than the EU's recent attempt to 'solve' the problem with a link tax.

    Google/Facebook still have every right to say 'we don't like your deal',Individual newspapers still have every right to say 'We'll do our own deal thank you'

    This seems
  • Not to mention (Score:5, Insightful)

    by transporter_ii ( 986545 ) on Sunday June 16, 2019 @08:19AM (#58771138) Homepage

    When things started getting tight, newspapers fired all the local reporters reporting local news in order to run AP stories. The deal with that is, you can get AP stories at every online outlet. Well, if I can get AP stories from, you know, the AP, I don't need a local paper. That was a Wall Street move to increase short term profits that just happened to blow up in their faces IN THE LONG HAUL. Imagine that.

  • Go to any newspaper, magazine, or TV Web site. What will you see? Hundreds of ads with a story sprinkled in here or there. And the stories aren't even good quality. They are hard to read because they are interspersed with...more ads that auto-play and jump out at you.

    Meanwhile, Google News does a great job of showing you what you want to see, with minimal advertising. And...you're not locked in to a single news outlet, so you get better quality content.

    I say the news industry did themselves in.

Every nonzero finite dimensional inner product space has an orthonormal basis. It makes sense, when you don't think about it.

Working...