Russia Says Tinder Must Share User Data, Private Messages (zdnet.com) 124
An anonymous reader writes: The Russian government has added dating service Tinder on a government database that legally forces the company to hand over user data and private communications to the country's law enforcement and intelligence agencies. The database is called ORI, or the Register of Information Dissemination Organizations. According to Russian laws 97-FZ and 374-FZ, companies added to this database must hand over data to Russian police or Russian intelligence agencies like the FSB, upon request, with or without a court order, in order to help with investigations into terrorist and national security cases.
Prior to today, the ORI database contained 175 companies, from both Russia and foreign countries. Tinder's addition to the ORI database was announced earlier today in a press release published by Roskomnadzor, the Russian government's telecommunications watchdog, and the agency in charge of maintaining ORI. According to Roskomsvoboda, a Russian non-governmental organization for the protection of digital rights of Internet users, Tinder is the fourth dating service added to ORI, after Mamba, Wamba, and Badoo's dating portal.
Prior to today, the ORI database contained 175 companies, from both Russia and foreign countries. Tinder's addition to the ORI database was announced earlier today in a press release published by Roskomnadzor, the Russian government's telecommunications watchdog, and the agency in charge of maintaining ORI. According to Roskomsvoboda, a Russian non-governmental organization for the protection of digital rights of Internet users, Tinder is the fourth dating service added to ORI, after Mamba, Wamba, and Badoo's dating portal.
Re:Just do it the old-fashioned way (Score:4)
How do you know when and where to meet? How do you any random person you see is looking to meet someone? And if so, how do you know if that someone would be you? That is the reason services like TInder exist.
Re:Just do it the old-fashioned way (Score:4, Insightful)
I think, if memory serves me correctly, you do it the same basic way that you make friends. Just make sure that your life requires you to do certain things, and in doing so you'll meet others like you. Feel them out, see who makes you laugh and feel comfortable.
If you go out to do it intentionally, it seems to invalidate the whole process.
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Re: Just do it the old-fashioned way (Score:1)
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Then if the person just hands you the device back, you know that person isn’t up to having an interesting conversation, and if not, you can chat with that person directly, without having to actually SPEAK.
But she may hand it back b'cos she's not interested in talking to me. How do I tell whether it's that, vs she wants to talk to me face to face?
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Or you can just remain single and have sex with people who also want to remain single, but still have sex now and then. In hindsight, I think this would have been a smart option - except for the fact you don't usually get to raise kids that way. Some call that a net benefit :)
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Doing the things that you love to do, will allow you to feel comfortable with everything, thus preparing the arena inside you for meaningfulness around you.
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Just make sure that your life requires you to do certain things, and in doing so you'll meet others like you.
I suppose as long as those certain things are not predominantly attended by mostly the same gender as you or you're gay that has a possibility of working. But it's not insane to want other options if that doesn't work out.
If you go out to do it intentionally, it seems to invalidate the whole process.
Well, if you're looking to put together a recreational sports team you certainly could go to the local park, start practicing, and hope that you can find enough people who seem interested in what you're doing. Or you could find a way to advertise that you're looking to put a team togethe
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This is a bit like answering the question "How do you make a million dollars?" with the answer "You do it the same basic way that you make a billion dollars."
For most people it is really hard to make friends as adults.
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This is a bit like answering the question "How do you make a million dollars?" with the answer "You do it the same basic way that you make a billion dollars."
Not the way I see it. To use your analogy it would be like answering the question:
"How do you make a million dollars?"
with the answer:
"The same way that you make any money, with dedication and hard work."
For all adults it's hard to make friends; this is the state of most cultures today.
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I think, if memory serves me correctly, you do it the same basic way that you make friends. Just make sure that your life requires you to do certain things, and in doing so you'll meet others like you. Feel them out, see who makes you laugh and feel comfortable.
I tried that and all I met were FSB agents.
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when in Rome...
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*Everyone* presents themselves as much happier than they actually are.
And a happy marriage is not something that "extremely few people (if anyone) ever actually attain". Really?
Re:Just do it the old-fashioned way (Score:5, Funny)
You have to learn to pay enough attention to other humans that you can receive the communications they're sending with their eyes.
If everybody's eyes look the same, it means nobody wants to talk to you, and you should probably invest in a high quality Japanese intimate robot.
She isn't looking to meet a random person, that guy is a total creeper.
The last thing she wants, even if she is single and hoping to meet somebody, is to meet somebody that is interested in her. Absolutely disgusting and dangerous to go near those sorts of people.
She wants to meet a decent person, who doesn't think they're interested in her just because she has a hoohaw. You're not supposed to be interested, you're not supposed to be looking. You're merely supposed to try to make friends with strangers in a polite, non-sexually-charged way. Then as you get to know their personality better, you may or may not develop an actual interest in that individual person.
Coming back to the eyes, you have to be able to detect when a person makes eye contact with you, while having a relaxed expression on their face. This means they looked at you, you looked into their eyes, they returned your gaze, and then you shift your focus to the rest of their face and measure if you've received an invitation to attempt conversation. Start with "Hi," and after she responds wait a second to see if she also waits for you to say something more. If it feels awkward but she's still standing there, it means you're permitted to introduce yourself.
If it seems too hard, maybe just go to a sci-fi convention and see if anybody in an Ewok suit will talk to you.
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What a load of crap, the random guy is a "a total creeper", because the majority of men are creeps right? The woman who is looking for someone isn't creepy but the man of course is. Just because a man wants to meet someone doesn't mean you want use her body, maybe they want to find love just like women do.
In fact from here (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/close-encounters/201408/whos-really-more-romantic-men-or-women) says men are more romantic in one study, and also states "but no study to date
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What a load of crap, the random guy is a "a total creeper", because the majority of men are creeps right?
Where do you get this crap from?
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maybe they want to find love just like women do.
If you're looking at a stranger and thinking about "love," you're definitely a top-shelf creepo.
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Sorry, but not everyone understands "communicate with your eyes." I'm autistic and body language often eludes me. (Not to mention that I find eye contact extremely uncomfortable.) If I had to meet someone and judge what they thought of me based on mysterious "eye signals", I'd be lost.
Thank goodness I met my wife online (old school: Yahoo Chat Rooms) and don't need to worry about dating anymore.
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If I had to meet someone and judge what they thought of me based on mysterious "eye signals", I'd be lost.
The question I was answering though was actually, "How do you know when and where to meet?"
As you probably already know, in your case you would need a "normal" "wingman" to help you if you were doing it in person, unless you wanted to restrict yourself to meeting people in some sort of "safe space."
Thank goodness I met my wife online (old school: Yahoo Chat Rooms) and don't need to worry about dating anymore.
Indeed, this is exactly the online version of what I described. Finding a chat room with decent gender balance is the way to go online. It is a much better idea than paying a middleman to somehow do it for you, a
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Guys, meet your women in the flesh whilst out and about. Ladies, meet your guys in the flesh whilst out and about. No tracking. And you can see who you're meeting in the real and on the fly.
Not just that, doesn't Russia have an acute population shortage problem? They should be encouraging their population to increase, and looking and populating the vast interior of Siberia and their Far East, rather than trying to do a data collection on users of dating apps
Russia sucks (Score:3)
Revolt against your evil dictator leaders
Re:Russia sucks (Score:4, Interesting)
Revolt against your evil dictator leaders
They can't. The real, actual Bolsheviks disarmed Russia in 1918. 10 years for hiding a gun.
Don't let today's bolsheviks con the USA into thinking that disarming the People is a good thing. Never is. Look at history, learn from it.
Re:Russia sucks (Score:5, Insightful)
Just remember that when the government comes to oppress you, it won't be a faceless jack-booted minion you encounter first - it'll be a police officer, doing his job. Are you ready to shoot a police officer? Are you ready for the consequences?
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I don't know anything about the one in 2019. But I strongly remember the one in 1989.
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U.S. #5 most deadly place to be a reporter when retaliation or revenge is the cause of death [apnews.com]
Go ahead and lie that the tRump government isn't involved.
Then ask yourself who put the crosshairs on reporters chests since 2016 and the creation of the "Fake News" meme
Faux has zero deaths. Got to make you wonder
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Come on.
Re: Russia sucks (Score:2)
"American gulags are bigger than the Soviet ones ever were."
Nah - Uncle Joe Stalin still has us beat. Today we have only the second biggest gulag in all history. But rest assured, our benevolent masters are working on it.
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Just remember that when the government comes to oppress you, it won't be a faceless jack-booted minion you encounter first - it'll be a police officer, doing his job. Are you ready to shoot a police officer? Are you ready for the consequences?
I will resist, I will not willfully turn over my iron, I will make bloody sure I have enough iron scattered about where they can't find every single piece. If they threaten my life, I will respond in kind.
Moreover, if it's obvious a force is coming to town to disarm, you better believe the locals will band together and repel. There will be shooting. Whatever consequence comes I will take. Death, prison, maimed, crippled life, whatever. It's not hollow words on a screen you're reading. It's a fight for
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Orange man bad! The previous administration -- on record saying, himself, that he will have "more flexibility" for negotiating with Russia [youtube.com] -- famously resetting our ties with Russia under Hillary as Secretary of State [wikipedia.org] (with her Blackberry in hand, surely unhacked by the kind Russians certainly not monitoring unencrypted communication to her bathroom-hosted email server), and literally making jokes that Russia is our enemy [youtube.com].
But, keep your head in the sand and keep tuning into what CNN / MSNBC want you to hear
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That prior to Heller the right to bear arms was not considered an individual right by the courts?
That criticizing the government is now acceptable (it wasn't always)?
The military is now fully volunteer (no more forcing people to fight)
This and more all happened within my lifetime. I never can understand you crazy people wanting to go back to the past, when we objectively had less freedom.
So please tell, what about the direction th
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You do understand that your freedoms have actually increased right?
Yes, I do. I lived through most of that. I missed Vietnam due to being born a decade too late.
Where in my post does it say that I want to go back to past era? I wish to go forwards, not backwards. But at the same time, I want more protections for all the Bill of Rights, because no matter what you and others say, the Left (and some in the Right) are hell-bent on eroding all of the provisions of the Bill.
you think democrats want to take away all your guns because, they really don't.
The 2020 Dem presidential hopeful bunch betray that statement. Empty campaign promises? Do I need to
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Sorry, but can you articulate the difference between those?
When the police don't know or care what the law says (you know, shit like filming them being illegal or seizing cameras), then in my opinion the police are already faceless jack-booted minions
Re:Russia sucks (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes. Are the Police Officers? "police officer, doing his job" is what the Gestapo did.
"How long would the Nazis have kept it up, General, if every Jew they came after had met them with a gun in his hand?"
- Prof. Groeteschele Fail Safe
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Yes. Are the Police Officers? "police officer, doing his job" is what the Gestapo did.
"How long would the Nazis have kept it up, General, if every Jew they came after had met them with a gun in his hand?"
- Prof. Groeteschele Fail Safe
The Nazis already sent two people with guns, if the Jews had guns they would have sent four.
Your best defence against the government is enough honest people making sure the dictators don't get into power, Hitler made it into power because enough people didn't oppose him in the 20's. After that you're dependent entirely on the person who carries out the order refusing to carry out an illegal order, putting their life above yours. One redneck AR15 against an IFV with 8 trained soldiers will result in 1 dea
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That was a good one.
First of all, hunting licences were not very difficult to get in the USSR. Second, the wide availability of military firearms during the 1989-1991 USSR breakup has lead to the
- Transnistrian war
- Georgian civil war
- Nagorno-Karabakh War
- two Chechen wars
- a civil war in Tajikistan
with alltogether over a 100000 unnecessary casualties. Not to mention military firearms being available to the organised crime.
You gun nuts really never learn because your general history knowledge sucks donkey
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So a bunch of people resisted a dictatorshp there in various wars?
Sounds like guns in the hands of the people working as intended.
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They imposed dictarorships, dumbass.
The only thing worse than an idiot with initiative is an idiot with initiative and a gun.
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and demanding CNN be shuttered or
Faux forced to admit they are lying...again.
or trying to put Assange in prison for
NOT stealing classified data,
NOT publishing "secrets" while on U.S. soil,
NOT conspiring with U.S. Citizens and
NOT breaking U.K. laws until he was forced to hide from U.S. Domestic Spys
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Lenin was pro gun ownership.
"The minimum programme of the Social-Democrats calls for the replacement of the standing army by a universal arming of the people."
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/apr/20b.htm
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It must be strange living in a world where the Australian and New Zealand government are seen as scary authoritarian governments. Especially when your primary frame of reference is America.
Unfortunately many Americans have drunk the kool-aid. Which is why your people keeping killing each other with mass shootings.
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I'd rather have Russia which says what they want do, as compared to some other so called Democratic country which did way worse as revealed by the Snowden Revelations. [wikipedia.org]
"Dogeater apologist apologizes, RT news at 11" (Score:1)
Like when Russia admitted they were invading Crimea, hacking the IOC, using WMD's in Salisbury, etc. Good old Honest Russia, the truth-bearing nation of representative governance and freedoms.. .
DIE IN A CHINESE PRISON YOU APOLOGIST FAGGOT, YOU DESERVE TO BE TORTURED TO DEATH. NO PUNCHLINE FAGGOT.
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He's a Russian troll, or someone who believed a Russian troll.
Tyrants be tyrannizing. (Score:2)
It's highly transparent this this is just another way to quash any opposition. Have aspirations for a legitimate democracy? Perhaps you should reconsider, lest your private affairs be exposed, right comrade?
Turn this to their advantage. (Score:3)
Easy solution: Announce that the company will under no circumstances comply, and is perfectly willing to accept a ban in Russia. Lose one market, gain a substantial popularity boost in the US and Europe. Then start playing hide-the-server with the Russian firewall.
In your backdoor (Score:3)
"The West is demanding backdoors into everything. Why shouldn't dictatorships?"
Same as it ever was: (Score:1)
...dictators being dictators.
Balkanize dating apps (Score:1)
Dating apps are good targets for country-specific balkanization.
The problem for Tinder here is not so much that Russia wants to keep tabs on its own citizens dating each other - well, that's problem but there's no good way around it - it's that Russia wants to keep tabs on who its own citizens talk to outside the country EVEN if the people outside the country object and aren't given due notice ahead of time.
Tinder has 4 choices:
1) Stop doing business in Russia. This probably won't be Tinder's first choice,
Weaponized Kompromat (Score:3)
Kompromat is SOP for Russian power elites. This is a death sentence for Tinder in Russia. They can't continue to operate there if this stands without significantly empowering Russian Intelligence (Assange was warned about it shorty before the Sweden incident), which most observers would consider to be a highly unethical move. And they'll block its DNS if Tinder doesn't comply.
What's Tinder's .onion address, anyway?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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What's Tinder's .onion address, anyway?
Probably the same place as Tinder's source code.
We offer a wide range of financial services (Score:1)