Net Neutrality Supporter Sentenced For Death Threats To FCC Chairman Pai (reuters.com) 143
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: A California man was sentenced to 20 months in prison on Friday after pleading guilty for threatening to kill the family of U.S. Federal Communications Commission Chairman Ajit Pai over the regulator's successful effort to repeal net neutrality rules. The Justice Department said Markara Man, 33, of Norwalk, California, sent the email threats "in hopes it would cause (Pai) to reverse his position on net neutrality." Led by Pai, the FCC in December 2017 repealed landmark net neutrality protections, which required internet service providers to provide users equal access to all data, regardless of their kind, source or destination. When Markara pleaded guilty in September 2018, Pai thanked law enforcement and the FCC for protecting him and his family, adding "I am deeply grateful for all they have done to keep us safe." In November 2018, Tyler Barriss pleaded guilty for calling in a bomb threat to the FCC during the December 2017 meeting where the vote to repeal net neutrality was held.
Re: hahahahahhahhaha (Score:1)
The takeover of the Nazi party was the 'Night of the Long Knives' when the smaller and more focused SS took over and they wiped out the old leadership of the SA. The SA was more populist and though very right-wing, had socialist leanings, and the top leadership were semi-openly homosexual. The takeover by the SS was the sinister transition of the party to work more with the rich industrialists and business types.
"pleading guilty" (Score:2)
Ah, how I do love the smell of coerced false confession in the morning!
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Plea bargaining is massively overused, and severely abused by prosecutors, but that doesn't make it always wrong. If you know you're guilty as sin, and know the prosecutors can absolutely prove you're guilty as sin, then it makes sense to plea bargain for the best deal you can get.
I would still argue the very process is inherently wrong. If what they offer is fair, then that sentence should be gotten through the normal justice system, if it isn't fair, then they are abusing the system.
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Plea bargaining is part of the normal justice system. If you know the state has overwhelming evidence against you, and you know you're guilty, you get a little bit of a break for admitting your wrongdoing and saving the state the cost of a full trial.
It's part of almost every legal system on Earth, and historically it precedes common law.
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Plea bargaining is part of the normal justice system. If you know the state has overwhelming evidence against you, and you know you're guilty, you get a little bit of a break for admitting your wrongdoing and saving the state the cost of a full trial.
It's part of almost every legal system on Earth, and historically it precedes common law.
No :D It is part of corrupt legal systems.. Which might be most of them, but in the Western world it is rather unique the US.
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No, it is not unique to the US. Plea bargains exist in all the common law countries (England, Canada, Wales, Australia, India and Pakistan) as well as Italy, France, Germany, Japan, Denmark, Poland, and more.
If you want to argue that those countries all have corrupt legal systems and have had corrupt legal systems for centuries, then you are welcome to do so. But don't pretend that plea bargains are anything but common in the Western world (and elsewhe
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That's plea bargaining everywhere. Read the description again.
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I see what you're saying. I have to think about this.
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Look, your mom may be old, but it's disrespectful to refer to her that way.
Re: "pleading guilty" (Score:2)
There can be NO legitimate criminal conviction except that delivered by a jury of the defendant's peers after a trial in open court where the accused is defended by competent, adequate legal counsel. Any other "conviction" is ipso facto illegitimate.
Use of coerced false confession - which I refuse to dignify with the euphemism "plea bargain" - is a fundamental crime. Any judge who accepts such an abuse, brings the Law itself into disrepute.
Death threats... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Maybe he was just born with a heart full of neutrality [youtube.com].
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Death threats aren't frowned upon because they don't work. They're frowned upon because you're attempting to coerce someone into doing something they don't want to do. Rather than convincing them to decide for themselves that they should do something different. Basically the difference between facism and democracy. Between ruling people by subjugating them, and letting them rule themselves.
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Yeah, but those people have ability to follow through on the threat, as demonstrated by numerous occasions when they did.
It's not the death threat that's getting the job done; it's the actual killing that accomplished things.
So, fewer threats, more killing, and the world will be a better place soon.
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Most of the people calling in death threats would get winded just walking up from their parent's basement.
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Death threats seem to work for the mafia, gangs, the Stasi [wikipedia.org], the Soviets, Hitler, North Korea, shall I continue?
Um, the Stasi threats weren't threats . . . they actually killed folks. Which was kind of a joke after the fall from the Berlin Wall, when the chief of the Stasi, Erich Mielke, spoke before everyone, and said something like:
I I love everybody! I love all peoples!"
He got laughed out of the Parliament.
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Also more effective than a death threat: at the very least, you do cause some amount of disruption. Which was likely this guy's goal.
Re: Death threats... (Score:2, Informative)
No the bomb threat was from Tyler, Markara is charged for threatening to kill Pai's family.
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Re: Death threats... (Score:1)
Threatening to do harm to somebody is legally defined as assault. Actually carrying out the threat is called battery.
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Given we're discussing a case in which someone has been sent to prison for merely sending an email I think it's reasonable to suggest that either the police officers were wrong or you were misunderstanding them.
Re:Death threats... (Score:5, Informative)
All credible death threats are illegal. What is established is that just saying "I'm going to kill you" is not a credible death threat. Joking about killing someone is not a credible death threat. There needs to be more to it than just a simple statement, like actual preparations to carry out such an attack, or evidence they've been monitoring you to find a good time to attack, or other reason to believe that when the person says they are going to kill you they are actually going to try to kill you. Most of the time when people make a death threat, it's not credible, so you're technically correct.
Calling in a bomb threat is illegal because the recipient of the bomb threat basically has no choice but to assume it is a credible threat in most cases, or else nearly every credible bomb threat will result in a successful bombing. Since basically all bomb threats must be treated as credible threats, they are almost always illegal. There will need to be extenuating circumstances that make it clear the threat isn't real in order for it to not be illegal. It's sort of the opposite of the normal death threat, even though most bomb threats are still ultimately not real.
Did you know (Score:2)
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https://www.merriam-webster.co... [merriam-webster.com]
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The Spanish Inquisition?
I bet you didn't expect that.
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When has a death threat ever gotten someone what they want? Do people never learn?
I mean, it's either that or do a deep dive on settlement-free peering and QoS a the carrier level, so ...
When you use actual terrorism (Score:2)
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Idiot (Score:2)
Dude shouldn't have plead guilty. He almost certainly sent non-specific and non-credible email "threats". For them to actually get you on the threat, criminally, it needs to be credible. He's an idiot for sending that shit in the first place as well.
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Dude shouldn't have plead guilty. He almost certainly sent non-specific and non-credible email "threats". For them to actually get you on the threat, criminally, it needs to be credible. He's an idiot for sending that shit in the first place as well.
You are the idiot here.
He sent a list of locations, names, and specific threats against Pai's family including pictures of family members in public in those places he insisted he would kill them.
It could not get more specific and credible outside of physically being present with a weapon.
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He probably plead guilty in order to get leniency, if not part of a deal to reduce the charges. More than likely, had he fought it he would have face far more serious punishment. The case against him is very, very strong.
Re: Idiot (Score:1)
Musk was busted for posting misleading falsehoods that affected the stock price of his company.
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I don't know if I've ever heard of a less worthy cause for going to prison. Or for that matter for threatening to kill someone.
A false flag agent provocateur lesson (Score:2, Interesting)
This might well be a deliberately introduced false flag agent, to give Pai arguments. I definitely would not put it beyond him.
Remember that in the NSA leaks, this method was not only well-documented, but there was a list of I think 43 organizations that the NSA ruined or tried to ruin *in one year alone*. Among them Occupy, Anonymous (not a group until the NSA made them one, I know), Wikileaks, some Nazi ones, and even the Tea Party.
The method roughly goes like this:
Insert moles, to find differences, and a
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Who are you trying to prove that to? Him, us, or yourself? Because it's not working.
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I like how you desperately try to lump him in with Infowars and the KGB despite that he's taking the side they both clearly oppose. Quick, call him a Nazi and a Trump supporter now, in defiance of all logic! Your victory over reason itself will be secured in your own mind!
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My party? Traitors? I'm not the one siding with Russia here. Careful, you're overplaying your hand again, Ivan. You wouldn't want another cabbage incident on your hands now, would you?
Re: A false flag agent provocateur lesson (Score:1)
The KGB 'clearly opposes' net-neutrality?? You're mixing up your Tom Clancy novels with reality again.
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english, motherfucker: do you speak it???
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Re: A false flag agent provocateur lesson (Score:1)
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You really, really don't want to play this game - you're going to embarrass yourself more than you already have.
MAGAt bomber [wikipedia.org]
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Seriously, if only. My own parents send me death treats. Who's doing shit about that?
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My own parents send me death treats.
Poisoned rice krispie squares? Sugar skulls?
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Lol no they actually said they were going to send the Marines. I know, that sounds absurd, but it's far from the weirdest thing they've done to me.
Oh I dislike Pai but... (Score:2)
Ahem, if you are seriously considering sending death threats to someone; you are a fucking moron who more than likely needs to get out from whatever shit group online or off you are hanging with, take a serious step back from whatever argument you think you are engaging on because you have long left it, do a complete reevaluation of your life choices that have led you to the conclusion that sending death threats are an effective way of change, and/or seek serious help form a professional about your current
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People die every day. Why should he be any different? [imdb.com]
Re: Ajit Pai needs to be executed (Score:1)
China only executes certain corrupt officials.
Re: Wait and see (Score:1)
Unless you can send me a post card or call me on the phone, I am anonymous here too.
Oh by the way (Score:2)
Re: And I thought "progressives" weren't violent? (Score:1)
They only had punched cards. "Data" in that time consisted of a physical deck of punched cards. You didn't want your card to end up electromechanically sorted into the wrong deck.