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Teenagers Charged With 'Intimidation' After Sharing Siri's Helpful Response For A School Shooting (nwitimes.com) 227

A 13-year-old boy visiting family in Indiana has been charged with "intimidation", according to the Northwest Indiana Times: The boy allegedly said to Siri, iPhone's voice assistant, "I am going to shoot up a school," according to a news release from the Valparaiso Police Department. Siri then replied with a list of multiple Valparaiso schools near his location. The boy, identified as a Chesterton Middle School student, posted a screenshot of the inquiry and response on social media, which was reported to Chesterton police by the boy's social media contacts.

Chesterton police then contacted the Valparaiso Police Department, which launched an investigation into the possible threat. Valparaiso officers determined the boy made no direct threat to a specific person, school or school system and that he had no access to weapons -- ultimately stating the picture was posted on social media as a joke. "The threat is not believed to be credible at this time; however, these types of communications are taken very seriously by the Valparaiso Police Department and our community," police stated in a news release.

A 14-year-old was also taken into custody, and is also being held in a juvenille detention center, facing charges of intimidation and "criminal recklessness with a handgun" over related photographs with weapons.

"Come on kids. It isn't funny..." reads one comment on the police department's Facebook page. "How many of you are going to be detained before you realize it?"

"Thank you for taking it seriously, and prosecuting it accordingly," added another commenter. "'I was joking' is not a defense. Hopefully juvie knocks some sense into this kid."

"I hope he's prosecuted for this! Totally not funny and as a parent I'm taking any threats against schools serious!" reads another comment -- though at least one person directed their scorn somewhere else.

"Sounds like Siri needs to be re-programmed."
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Teenagers Charged With 'Intimidation' After Sharing Siri's Helpful Response For A School Shooting

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  • America (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 02, 2019 @07:42PM (#58061292)

    The land of panic and fear.

    • by Kohath ( 38547 )

      It's not fear. They are all pretending. They have to keep up the pretense that their authority and their actions are a necessary evil. Otherwise voters will come to understand that the necessary evil has become unnecessary.

    • Fuck off. Your comment is not useful in any way.

  • “The best time for photography inside educational institutions is on sunny days when classrooms are full and you can use sun and shadow most effectively...”

  • Nothing to see here (Score:2, Informative)

    by Gherald ( 682277 )

    It doesn't matter whether technology is involved or not, or what their comedic intent was: stating something about wanting to go ahead with terrorism or murder is going to get the attention of authorities, and they are going to start by doing a full investigation of the threat with no smile or laughter whatsoever.

    Kids need to wise up

    • by Calydor ( 739835 ) on Saturday February 02, 2019 @07:54PM (#58061362)

      So Jeff Dunham's sketches with Achmed the Dead Terrorist should also get him investigated? He jokes about blowing things up and that the most important part is location, location, LOCATION.

      • by Ogive17 ( 691899 )
        Here's the difference - known intention. How does anyone know it's a joke until they arrest the kid and question him and investigate?

        I'm against ruining this kids career if he was simply screwing around.. some of the shit I did at that age would probably get me in some hot water today... but the cops can't simply go "oh, haha, funny joke" and move on.
        • How does anyone know it's a joke until they arrest the kid and question him and investigate?

          Do note that "arrest", "questioning", and "investigation" aren't mandatory in such a situation.

          Yeah, question the knothead.

          And investigate as needed.

          But arrest? No point in it, since he hasn't committed a crime (no, saying something stupid to Siri isn't against the law) until some action (other than talk about it) is taken in regards to the hypothetical crime....

          • How does anyone know it's a joke until they arrest the kid and question him and investigate?

            Yeah, question the knothead. And investigate as needed

            Although I do agree with you that when that questioning and investigating is the first step is you believe there's a possible danger there, I do fear that as a whole our society is getting very bad at understanding the nuances of context. Well, there have always been people with trouble doing that, but it's a bigger issue when police has that problem.

            It's incredibly clear the post was making fun of the fact Siri's lack of understanding of the question and its implications led it to give it a response that w

      • No. It's context. One is an explicit comedic parody done with a puppet on stage. The other is a context-free posting. If the kid had explicitly presented it as a commentary on Siri, I submit this would be completely unconstitutional prosecution. However, without context, this has to be treated as a potential threat. It's shitty, but nonetheless true. That we don't have a good corrective paradigm for handling kids being stupid is a problem, too, however.
    • It doesn't matter whether technology is involved or not, or what their comedic intent was: stating something about wanting to go ahead with terrorism or murder is going to get the attention of authorities, and they are going to start by doing a full investigation of the threat with no smile or laughter whatsoever.

      Personally I thought it was funny as shit. Don't forget to investigate Siri for her supporting role in the conspiracy.

    • by blindseer ( 891256 ) <blindseer@@@earthlink...net> on Saturday February 02, 2019 @08:27PM (#58061490)

      Kids need to wise up

      No, I'm pretty sure the police need to wise up. This does not sound like something that required action by the police.

      • This does not sound like something that required action by the police.

        No it does require action by the police, just not the action that happened. Follow up, ask a question or two, actually exercise that wasted brain between the ears, realise that not every lead results in someone needing to be arrested, move on and thank the kid for his time.

        Instead what they did do is further broke trust with the public and again establish that the police in the USA should be treated in the same way as a 3rd world shithole: One the take, out to get you, and to be avoided at all costs. It's a

      • by mjwx ( 966435 )

        Kids need to wise up

        No, I'm pretty sure the police need to wise up. This does not sound like something that required action by the police.

        The problem the police have is that if it turns out it was not a joke, they'll be hung for it.

        Not the culture that created them, nor the parents who left automatic weapons where kids could get them (hell, probably gave them the guns). Thoughts and prayers for the people modding this down, thoughts and prayers.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Kids need to wise up

      No shit, THEY'RE KIDS. Mostly not wise just by virtue of them still having to grow up. I don't understand why societies thirst for blood is so bad that they can't understand that children are not adults.

    • I fully agree with your post. On the flip side, I submit that being a kid is in fact the process of wising up. He needs a good scare, but given the apparent lack of harmful intent, that should be sufficient for a first offense (assuming this is, in fact, a first offense). A slap on the wrist with the explicit warning that future errors in judgement will be more seriously prosecuted seems to be the correct response to me.

      Drop hammer on table. "So, kid, here's the deal. This is your warning. If there's a nex

      • So, what's the message? The first amendment doesn't apply to you, kid?

        • The First Amendment doesn't protect against threats. Now here's where it gets interesting: Is this a threat?

          Without context, this as a post strongly suggests an intent to do harm to a specific class of target. Now, was it specific enough to qualify? I'd say no, generally. However, that's not the only consideration. First, the full protection of the First Amendment doesn't apply to minors; whether it should is a related but separate debate. Second, First Amendment protection isn't absolute. If the speech was

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Kids CAN'T wise up. They are called "kids" for a damn reason.

      Every day a whole new crop of them is born, and every single one of them is dumb as a post! They don't remember what happened to some older kid before they were born! They aren't some stagnant group that can retain its learned wisdom from one year to the next!

      It is in the nature of youth that it lacks the maturity and wisdom to know what the consequences of pranks like this will be. The problem here is not that kids are lacking in some sort of

    • Kids need to wise up

      Unfortunately, they won't. I have been told it has something to do with being kids. Until they do wise up, you can put them in large concentration camps. Or let them join a profession where judgment is superfluous. Like the police.

      Another solution is not to give kids unsupervised internet access. My computer did not have internet when i was a kid, and it still wasn't in my room.

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Saturday February 02, 2019 @07:51PM (#58061340)
    It's very much commenting on the situation. I know he's a kid, but AFAIK fundamental rights still apply when it comes to prosecution. His school can punish/expel him, but I would think the cops are gonna get a call from the ACLU...
    • by blindseer ( 891256 ) <blindseer@@@earthlink...net> on Saturday February 02, 2019 @08:50PM (#58061576)

      I doubt the ACLU would touch this. As much as people think the ACLU is all about protecting the civil rights of American citizens they've been very anti-gun in the past. They eventually had to admit that the Second Amendment protects the rights of the individual, and is not in fact a "collective right" as they stated prior to the SCOTUS opinions on Heller and McDonald. They've been silent on the Second Amendment since Heller in 2008, at least as far as I can tell, and have not in any recent memory lifted a finger on any case that touches the rights to keep arms.

      This should be about a person's right to speak freely, be free from unwarranted search and seizure, right to due process, etc. What muddies the waters though is the kid had guns in the pictures. This tells me that the ACLU will not be interested. They've been unwilling to speak up on the Second Amendment, likely out of fear that this would drive out donors from either side on that debate. So long as they keep quiet they can claim some kind of neutral ground. This has worked for a decade now but eventually, I would think, they will have to choose a lane.

      Oh, and before anyone thinks the NRA will stand up on this I will remind people that the NRA is not a lobbying group or in any way connected to supporting court cases. These are instead fought by Gun Owners of America and/or Second Amendment Foundation, and in some cases by the separate but highly linked organization National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action. The NRA likes to jump in after the hard work is done and send someone from the affiliated NRA-ILA so they can claim a victory. The NRA mostly does hunter education, firearm safety courses and certification, and sell a bunch of crap with their logo on it.

  • by wolfheart111 ( 2496796 ) on Saturday February 02, 2019 @07:54PM (#58061360)
    Shouldn't he... Siri should have immediately informed police and not give addresses to schools. wtf
  • by epine ( 68316 ) on Saturday February 02, 2019 @07:55PM (#58061370)

    Hopefully juvie knocks some sense into this kid.

    That's the worst kind of stupid (perhaps intended mainly to garner effect, in which case it's hardly any different from the original case of Siri's adolescent accomplice). Really, it's complete BS that the police detained this child in the hope of "knocking some sense into him".

    The police respond because they can't not respond, no matter how they assess the risk, because if a school shooting did follow from this, no matter how long the chain of events, and they had done nothing over the first comical wisp of smoke, they'd be roasted alive.

    The preadolescent brain is not a reliable thing. It's changing in massive ways, and not very well equipped to even notice those changes in any systematic way.

    I had a friend around the same age who once flew an aluminum foil kite into a pole-top power transformer. Kevin had big dreams, and he was always up to something, but he was just one of those kids with less than normal common sense. I liked him a lot.

    After the kite explosion—yes, an actual explosion—boy did he ever get plunked down on the couch for a quadraphonic fusillade (both parents, both hydro workers). He was white around the edges for an entire school week. That was the appropriate response: a tiny taste of every adult in Dodge giving him the what for in WWE roof-raising double tag team.

    Juvee would have scared (scarred) Kevin into never emerging from his basement ever again. It would not have knocked the least iota of "common sense" into his weirdly developed adolescent brain.

    • by jythie ( 914043 )
      Juvee is pretty much useless if your goal is turning kids into productive members of society. Its only real use is making suburban parents feel safer and getting votes for prosecutors who list sending kids there as an accomplishment. If the police are going to do anything that might 'scare' the kid in a helpful way, community service or even probation would work a lot better, or, well, at all.
    • The response doesn't have to include locking up and prosecuting kids who have no real intent to do anything.

  • by VeryFluffyBunny ( 5037285 ) on Saturday February 02, 2019 @07:56PM (#58061372)
    Google predicts that the next word is "workplace". Does that mean that iOS is for kids & Android's for grown-ups?
    • Anywhere else in the developed world, "i want to shoot up..." would more likely be followed by something like "heroin" or "drugs."
  • by WaffleMonster ( 969671 ) on Saturday February 02, 2019 @08:11PM (#58061448)

    Having to grow up around paranoid, cowardly excessively serious adults who should know better.

    • by Kohath ( 38547 )

      You can always count on the police to ruin a kid's life in the name of pretending to care about something or other.

    • I'm more afraid some smart kid gets his or her life ruined by playing a stupid joke on Siri, then decides that the society fucked him or her, therefore feels justified to take it out on the society and decide to take revenge on said society (they won't be able to get a good job with the record anyways, so they put their skills to use for revenge). Of course, then all the paranoid will say how their joke was predictive of the tragedy that ensued, so the next kid that joked will just be put to death - better

    • because there's been repeated school shootings and the adults don't seem to be doing anything about it.
  • by VAXcat ( 674775 ) on Saturday February 02, 2019 @08:37PM (#58061520)
    One day, shortly after getting an iPhone. I asked Siri "where is the nearest Discount Tire store location". She replied "I'm sorry, I can't give you that information". I tried several times - same answer. I wondered why she wouldn't tell me, and what else was off limits. To explore the problem space, I then asked "where is the nearest place I can score heroin?" She replied with directions to a sketchy neighborhood near me. I asked "where can I find a female prostitute?" She replied with the addresses of several escort and massage places near me. I then asked again "where is the nearest Discount Tire store?" - the answer was still "I'm sorry, I can't give you that information." I'm not sure how she decides what to share with me and what not to.
    • It's probably like Yelp... Google approached Discount Tire for advertising, Discount Tire declined, and Google said, "Well, fuck you, then". You're paying to be advertised to, so really, you'll never know.
  • by ElizabethGreene ( 1185405 ) on Saturday February 02, 2019 @08:51PM (#58061586)

    My son was escorted to the office, by an armed SRO, for writing "Columbine" and showing it to a friend. Then he got to spend hours talking to the SRO, other LEOs, guidance, and the principals.

    I get not wanting to miss warning signs, but is this too far?

    • My son was escorted to the office, by an armed SRO, for writing "Columbine" and showing it to a friend. Then he got to spend hours talking to the SRO, other LEOs, guidance, and the principals.

      I get not wanting to miss warning signs, but is this too far?

      No. Commedia dell'arte is a slippery slope. Just ask Michael Moorcock.

    • by PPH ( 736903 )

      My son was escorted to the office, by an armed SRO, for writing "Columbine"

      So, your son likes flowers [wikipedia.org]. A little bit sissy, if you ask me. But just sit him down in front of the Superbowl and I'm sure he'll be OK.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    The article makes reference to two kids, the incidents seemingly unrelated. The first kid, a 14yo, apparently posted pictures of guns. Fine, cops should investigate and make sure that he doesn't actually have access to them. (Who knows, maybe he scanned a picture out a Sears catalog, but check just in case.)

    The second kid, a 13yo, told Siri he was going to shoot up a school. Cops want to charge the 13yo with "intimidation". WTF?

    In a world with too many obsessive gun nuts, where there's a boogeyman in every

    • The first kid, a 14yo, apparently posted pictures of guns....Who knows, maybe he scanned a picture out a Sears catalog, but check just in case.

      Not taking a side, but just pointing out that one of those things is a bit easier to come by than the other.

  • How did Siri respond? What was the joke?
  • As a father of three boys... I know boys will do and say stupid things all the time...and its impossible to keep them on lock down 24/7 .. A good scare would had been been OK but charging him like an adult , no its a fucking child
  • How about this alternative response:

    Wow. That’s pretty fucked up. I’ve found these therapists near your location...

  • by twms2h ( 473383 ) on Sunday February 03, 2019 @09:44AM (#58063624) Homepage

    Why are two totally unrelated cases mixed up in this one post?

    1. A 13 year old asks Siri a joke question and posts photos of the result.
    2. A 14 year old posts photos of himself posing with a weapon.

    Apart from both being young boys there is no correlation.

    The first case is definitely not worth even investigating.

    In the the second I question why a boy at that age has unsupervised access to a weapon and if he was supervised, why photos were taken and published. The parents should be investigated.

    • by JD-1027 ( 726234 )
      I really wish someone else would have posted this near the top. Most comments are totally combining them into one kid and the whole discussion is really muddled.
  • Let's all jump on this kids back. Don't mind that siri happily serves up a list a schools and lets not mention that a school shooting is such a big threat in america because its so easy to pull off. In the words of dr strangelove, it requires only the will to do so.
  • Does anyone have a link to the actual social media post? Or a copy of it?
    I think it's impossible to form a valid opinion on whether the kid should be charged or not without it.

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