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Kansas is Trying to Unload $10M in Unused Computer Equipment (apnews.com) 117

An anonymous reader quotes the Associated Press: Kansas Governor Jeff Colyer's administration is seeking a way to donate or sell at a steep discount as much as $10 million in unused computer equipment that has been stored in a state office building since 2016. The state still owes $2 million on the equipment, which it bought in 2016 as part of a failed plan to develop a centralized storage system, call Kansas GovCloud, for computer information. That idea was canceled by state IT officials who said it was too expensive. Instead, the state contracts with an outside company to store data on remote servers.

Attempts to sell the equipment failed to attract bidders, leading to discussions about finding someone to take the equipment before its value dropped to the level of scrap metal, The Topeka Capital-Journal reported. Sen. Tom Holland, D-Baldwin City, said the state allocated $17 million, including $10 million for the equipment, before dropping the storage idea. Selling it for pennies on the dollar or donating it to someone has merit, he said. "The point is, equipment after a while just becomes obsolete. If somebody can use it, great. If you can get some money out of it, fine," Holland said.

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Kansas is Trying to Unload $10M in Unused Computer Equipment

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  • by b0s0z0ku ( 752509 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @05:40PM (#57846954)
    $17 million is cheap compared to the cost of data breaches on "third party clown" systems, and the cost of giving private data to the likes of Scumazon and Scroogle to play with.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      Grandpa, I already taught you about client side encryption! Please try and remember...

    • Do you think Kansas has the available expertise within the government to secure a data center? My guess would be they are like most other states who have IT departments filled with the crap that is left over.

      I have worked with state level IT many times and it is absolutely shocking how everything is done as hack and slash. Then again, anyone investing in SAN at this point is generally unsuitable to continue working. SAN is just a terrible idea no matter how you spin it.

      And $17 million is peanuts compared to
      • I won't argue with you about government IT. I will argue with you about SAN. If you own the data and the system, you're not noosed to a cloud provider. You can walk away from your current contractor and find another one more easily than if you're cloud-locked.
      • "Do you think Kansas has the available expertise within the government to secure a data center?"

        A 12-person company may not have that expertise, but a state govt. should. If it lost the capacity, it's a sad state of affairs.

        • by wwphx ( 225607 )
          As much as Kansas went through its little tax-slashing mania a few years ago, I wouldn't bet that they have in-house expertise to correctly secure such an enterprise. And now it's old equipment. Yeah, dumping it is probably the best route. Maybe some of the networking gear would be good to keep, but probably wise to get ride of the servers and SANs.
    • by ffkom ( 3519199 )
      It will also be cheap compared to the cost of the third party cloud providers once they steeply increased their prices after having the client hooked and vendor-locked-in - with all those fancy proprietary APIs they offer, which will be too costly to migrate software off by then.
    • by art123 ( 309756 )

      It's funny that you think an in-house state controlled system cannot suffer from data breaches.

    • Most of the breaches (at least at the moment) are from the clowns that self host, usually with poorly skilled staff.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22, 2018 @05:58PM (#57847006)

    State had $17 million to waste on useless computers while their teachers were getting paid so little they had to work second and third jobs. I read about some teachers working at McDonalds after they finished teaching school. Keep in mind Kansas had a budget surplus before a trickle down economic ideologue became a governor. After what happened in Kansas should be death knell for myth of trickle down economy.

    • Re: (Score:1, Interesting)

      by hwihyw ( 4763935 )

      Average Kansas teacher gets paid $53,314 (https://www1.salary.com/KS/Public-School-Teacher-Salary.html), before benefits. There are an average 180 days in a school year, with 6.64 hours in a school day, so 180*6.64=1195.2/$53,314=$44/hour. Raise your hand if you make close to $44/hour before benefits.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        They work longer than a school day, most teachers i know put in a solid 40 hours a week and if they coach, add another ten hours.

        • by jythie ( 914043 )
          Granted I mostly know professors, but wow would they be grateful for only 40-50 hours/week....
        • I work with teachers and I have never seen them work more than 7 hours a day. They really do make a lot of money considering the time the work and all the time they have off. Every teacher I know took a nice 30 day paid vacation in 2018. I didn't have the time or the money. I work an easy 15 hours each day and we will be working hard this LONG school break.
      • by LostMyBeaver ( 1226054 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:52PM (#57847156)
        My hand is not raised because I donâ€(TM)t make anywhere near that little.

        That said, I have never met a teacher who does not have to grade tests, plan, prep the classroom, etc... most teachers work a lot more than you seem to think. Why not offer teachers a trade... pay them 80% per hour of their current pay and offer them to charge per hour. If they turn it down, fire them because they are either lazy or they are idiots. Of course, you would likely end up having to pay the ones who stay 50% more.

        It is obvious your teachers failed to educate you. Please learn to perform the slightest research before speaking about something. There is a new web site called Google and you can type questions into it. Use it ;)
        • by hwihyw ( 4763935 )

          Speaking of Google, you can now choose from endless online courses, universities, academies, and learn anything you want without forcing poor teachers to slave for peanuts (except maybe recording the initial lectures). They are now free, if not will soon be, to pursue their deserved high paying jobs in the private sector.

      • by Anonymous Coward
        None of the teachers I've met just work during class, idiot. They usually work an extra 2-4 hours a day (before and after school) plus weekends. Not to mention the extra out-of-pocket expenses made to cover the gaps in funding. Factor that into your calculations and make some proper adjustments. No teacher has ever, ever said they feel overpaid, yet many have quit or washed out because of feeling underappreciated or unsupported.
      • by Registered Coward v2 ( 447531 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @07:21PM (#57847236)

        Average Kansas teacher gets paid $53,314 (https://www1.salary.com/KS/Public-School-Teacher-Salary.html), before benefits. There are an average 180 days in a school year, with 6.64 hours in a school day, so 180*6.64=1195.2/$53,314=$44/hour. Raise your hand if you make close to $44/hour before benefits.

        According to BLS, the average pay is $44,620. Kansas has 186 school days, which would not include any teacher work days but eve for an 8 hour days (most teachers are there before and after student instructional time), that works out to $30/hour. Add in time spent on teacher work days, preping for class, grading homework, etc. and it becomes even less. However, the 186 days worked doesn't mean teachers have another 6 months they can work, since that is spred out over about 9 months once vacation days are counted. Not many jobs will let you work 2 months, leave for 9 and return again. To put it into perspecive, between vacation and holidays most jobs only work 46 weeks out of the year, for a total of 1920 hours worked. If you asssume 4 teacher work days, tha means 190 days worked or 1520 hours, for an hourly rate of $29. A non teaching equivalent salary for 1920 hours is ~56K. By your standards, 56K is a great salary,

        • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @07:34PM (#57847272)
          and not median. I suspect the numbers are heavily cooked. I make good money in IT and I don't spend my evenings at McDonalds. Yet we know for a fact many teachers in Kansas are doing just that. Too many for it to be the occasional workaholic.

          I know that in my neck of the woods schools in wealthy neighborhoods have much, much better pay. That's because schools are funded by property taxes, so wealthy districts have wealthy schools. That would, of course, screw up the averages. I can't find any sources for the $44k and $56k figures being but I wouldn't be surprised to find University research professors mixed in there with their $100k+ salaries. Again, anything to inflate the average.
        • by stdarg ( 456557 )

          You think most jobs get 6 weeks of vacation/holidays?

          $56k is a pretty good salary, actually, considering the median household income is about $50k in Kansas. A married pair of teachers would be significantly above the median.

        • >"By your standards, 56K is a great salary"

          In Kansas, it probably very much is a great salary. And that doesn't include their generally great benefits. In some other areas, that is not at a great salary at all. Where one lives makes a HUGE difference due to taxes, housing costs, and local prices.

          To see the difference, even ignoring huge tax differences, just look at the average price of a decent 1 bedroom apartment from place to place. It can vary from $400 up to $4000 per month. That is huge. Now d

          • >"By your standards, 56K is a great salary"

            In Kansas, it probably very much is a great salary. And that doesn't include their generally great benefits. In some other areas, that is not at a great salary at all. Where one lives makes a HUGE difference due to taxes, housing costs, and local prices.

            To see the difference, even ignoring huge tax differences, just look at the average price of a decent 1 bedroom apartment from place to place. It can vary from $400 up to $4000 per month. That is huge. Now double their state income taxes on top of that. Now increase their sales taxes. Now double or triple the gas tax (example- right now KS is $2/gal while CA is $3.40/gal). And double or triple the insurance costs. I think you get the idea.

            I fully agree; cost of living makes a huge difference in lifestyle. My point was that calculating a teachers salary but dividing hours worked into salary gives a false impression of what they are paid relative to someone who works a regular scheduled job.

        • Not many jobs will let you work 2 months, leave for 9 and return again.

          Nah, there are loads of jobs like that, especially in the summer, at least in places worth visiting on vacation. That does of course mean that they are less prevalent in Kansas. However, none of them pay anything.

          • Not many jobs will let you work 2 months, leave for 9 and return again.

            Nah, there are loads of jobs like that, especially in the summer, at least in places worth visiting on vacation. That does of course mean that they are less prevalent in Kansas. However, none of them pay anything.

            That's the crux of the issue. The teachers I know joke you can tell which teachers have a spouse/partner/whatever with a real job by the car they drive; unless it's a nice brand new loaded truck and then they are a winning football coach.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        ...6.64 hours in a school day... =$44/hour.

        When do you suppose lesson plans get written, and tests and quizzes get graded?

        Not to mention all the other things teachers have to do, usually on their own time.

        Then they have to fight, threaten to strike, or strike to get decent salary increases. And then after the teachers sweat blood to get a new contract then the school district just hands the administrators, janitors, etc., the same raise (or better) on a silver platter without even batting an eye.

        Sounds like you don't have any friends who are teache

      • by Anonymous Coward

        I teach dual credit (high school and college credit high school classes) in Texas. It's December 22nd. I am theoretically out for Christmas Break. In reality, I was at school today working on things. I decided not to reorganize my classroom by myself; I will ask for student volunteers to help me before classes resume in January. My plan for Christmas break is to work on my classes, especially getting courses set up in our LMS.

        I did the same thing over Thanksgiving Break.

        I did the same thing last summer.

        Good

      • by sjames ( 1099 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @08:35PM (#57847480) Homepage Journal

        You forgot that teachers have to work several hours a day after the last class grading papers, talking to parents, and filling out a never ending stream of documents and forms for the bureaucracy. Also many teachers end up having to pay out of pocket for needed supplies since the official channels will take so long the students will graduate before the request is filled (if ever).

      • I notice how you failed to include the relevant part of that figure: "The average Public School Teacher salary in Kansas is $53,314 as of December 01, 2018, but the range typically falls between $46,543 and $61,547. Salary ranges can vary widely depending on the city and many other important factors, including education, certifications, additional skills, the number of years you have spent in your profession."

        Also I highly doubt teachers work 6.65 hours per day unless you think that the teachers roll up to

      • by Anonymous Coward

        My Dad is a retired teacher, my Sis was working as a teacher for about 10 years, and I was a relief teacher.

        I also know a few other teacher friends.

        You probably have to increase your figures in terms of number of hours worked alot more, especially when it is test or exam season.

        I know of teachers working about 10 to 12 hours a day for a couple of weeks at a time. Part of the time will be at home while they mark, prep tests, classes, etc.

        No doubt this is not in the US (Singapore), but I assume it will be sim

    • The Kansas public education budget [governing.com] is $4.9 billion. It works out to almost exactly $10,000 per student, with about 39% of that going to instructor salary, 12% to instructor benefits.

      With 41,243 teachers [ballotpedia.org], that works out to an average (mean) salary of $46,300 plus $13,800 in benefits.

      This compares to a statewide average (mean) income of $43,953 [ks.gov]. Searching through those labor stats for "education" confirms that the mean for most teaching jobs is right around the $45k mark.

      If your claim that teachers
    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      "Teachers and "pay" cant teach IQ.
      Generations have tried to teach people using books, computers, robot GUI, new software, enjoyed spending huge extra charity budgets.
      Better teachers don't help. More pay does not help. Different types of new computer "education" has the same low results.
      Demographics and IQ always show up on testing and results years and decades later.
  • Donate to Schools? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jonesy16 ( 595988 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:05PM (#57847018)

    And the geniuses at the state level have or have not considered donating this to other public entities in the state, e.g., the public school systems, state universities, etc. that probably all receive some level of state funding?

    • and they're trying to cover that up. e.g. it was all just a grift. Kansas has gotten really, really corrupt these last 8 years or so.
    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      Whats the cost of running a 1970's super computer? To get it to do some math again?
      • With ECL logic in it, it probably runs at several hundred megahertz. The floor it is installed on will probably need to be reinforced to support the massive cooling system required to keep it running.

    • Considering that the equipment failed to get sold at auction, there's probably a reason schools don't want it. My guess is that the equipment is highly specific. Or it is obsolete even though it was purchased 2 years ago. Or the amount of work/expertise required to install is more than any school can afford. Or a combination.
      • My guess is that the equipment is highly specific. Or it is obsolete even though it was purchased 2 years ago. Or the amount of work/expertise required to install is more than any school can afford. Or a combination.

        Almost certainly the correct answer is "already obsolete." It often takes governments so long to get their act together that the equipment is already past its prime by the time they get it in their hands, because of all of their ridiculous process and procedure which doesn't actually stop malfeasance anyway.

  • Nice pitch (Score:5, Funny)

    by AndyKron ( 937105 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:05PM (#57847020)
    Sales pitch: Quick! Buy it before it becomes worthless.
  • more, paid by Kansas, there are a couple of companies willing to take 2+ year old electronic scrap away.

    As soon as they accepted delivery, the equipment had probably lost 1/2 it's value, so following Generally Accepted Accounting Practices, they should have depreciated the value of most of this junk already.

  • 10 Million (Score:4, Funny)

    by Hognoxious ( 631665 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:24PM (#57847072) Homepage Journal

    It's just dust in the wind.

    • 10 mill here, and 10 mill there--after a while you're talking about some real money.. Carry on, my wayward son.

  • by bongey ( 974911 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:29PM (#57847088)

    Same contractor for healthcare.gov seems they are trying to unload the equipment to a school . https://www.seattletimes.com/n... [seattletimes.com]

  • by Snotnose ( 212196 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:40PM (#57847114)
    Back in the early/mid 80's my company bought 4 DEC PC clones for something like $3500 each (PC at the time were about $2k, depending on options). They sucked on multiple levels. The one I remember is the OS (MS-DOS) didn't come with the format program, you had to buy formatted discs from DEC for like $2 each. Or get one of your engineers to format a $0.25 disc at home and bring it in. Whatever. The managers that got them soon gave them to senior engineers, who soon gave them to team leads, who soon realized nobody wanted them. At that point every engineer worth a damn had their own PC at home that cost half as much and was twice as powerful.

    Company ended up donating them to a charity or school, and deducted the full purchase price from their taxes. How do I know this? The president of the company, in a company wide meeting, said so.
  • If they pay the shipping I'll find room for it. I just upgraded the disks on my NAS but I could always use more storage space.

  • by DidgetMaster ( 2739009 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @07:08PM (#57847208) Homepage
    'Computer equipment' could mean anything. If it were practical things like disk drives, SSD, or tons of memory that could be easily used in other hardware then I think they could have gotten some decent bids on it. The fact that they couldn't attract any bids tells me either it is all junk, or they are not giving out proper information so they can unload it for pennies on the dollar to some crony friend who will make a killing on the deal at taxpayer expense.
    • any 10G switching in there? I can use some stuff to build out an new ceph + VM cluster.

      • Let's see....they paid $10 million for it two years ago. Since they are the government, they probably paid 3 times what it was worth by going through 'approved vendors' who are used to soaking it to the taxpayer. Computer equipment tends to depreciate at a quick pace, so it could easily lose half its value in a couple of years. Still, it should be worth a couple million dollars to somebody if there was any decent hardware in there that wasn't so specialized that it doesn't have any practical use outside of
  • by Anonymous Coward

    So build some Beowulf machines.

  • I work for a couple non-profits who've been hit hard by budget cuts; is there a list of what they're trying to get rid of and any way to apply for it even if the non-profit has to pay for shipping it probably would be well worth it for some items?

  • I wonder which politicians got bribes campaign donations from the company they ultimately bought cloud service from? I would feel pity for the Kansas taxpayer, but they voted Republican, so they had to expect huge deficits and corruption.
  • + "Let's upgrade our stores to use hand scanners at checkout!"
    + "Let's buy the equipment used at auction!"
    + "Let's read the manual and put the inventory on the computer ourselves!"
    + "Let's forget the whole damn thing!"

    10 years later...Clerks still put price stickers on items and ring things up manually.

    The equipment is still in their warehouse gathering dust.

  • $10 million should buy about 73,000 TRS-80s, if you figure $100 each plus $37 shipping [ebay.com]. At an estimated weight of 44 lbs each [stackexchange.com], that comes to 3.2 million lbs, or 1605 tons. Here's yer first shipment. Cmon back. Cmon back.
  • Where's the actual list of equipment to be disposed of? Personally, I can't see the Kansas state government knowing it's hole from an ass in the wall, so I doubt if the equipment is up to snuff. But who knows? Maybe they accidentally ordered a Cray or something.
  • What is Slashdot coming to, that no one has dug up the trope of "Imagine a Beowulf cluster of those", run it up the flagpole and watched it flap in the breeze?

    (Take one Geek point for seeing the Beowulf in the "Subject:" line. )

  • freedom of information act (KSA 45-215 et seq) requests if GovCloud data was not able to be exported in some format for review and redaction? Looks like conservatives weren't interested in news media looking over their shoulder and second guessing their performance and decisions of state departments. That would go along with conservative's overzealous implementation of digitization of governmental functions even when they betray asserted fiduciary motives to sell them while hidden political motives to reduc

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