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Kansas is Trying to Unload $10M in Unused Computer Equipment (apnews.com) 117

An anonymous reader quotes the Associated Press: Kansas Governor Jeff Colyer's administration is seeking a way to donate or sell at a steep discount as much as $10 million in unused computer equipment that has been stored in a state office building since 2016. The state still owes $2 million on the equipment, which it bought in 2016 as part of a failed plan to develop a centralized storage system, call Kansas GovCloud, for computer information. That idea was canceled by state IT officials who said it was too expensive. Instead, the state contracts with an outside company to store data on remote servers.

Attempts to sell the equipment failed to attract bidders, leading to discussions about finding someone to take the equipment before its value dropped to the level of scrap metal, The Topeka Capital-Journal reported. Sen. Tom Holland, D-Baldwin City, said the state allocated $17 million, including $10 million for the equipment, before dropping the storage idea. Selling it for pennies on the dollar or donating it to someone has merit, he said. "The point is, equipment after a while just becomes obsolete. If somebody can use it, great. If you can get some money out of it, fine," Holland said.

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Kansas is Trying to Unload $10M in Unused Computer Equipment

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  • by b0s0z0ku ( 752509 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @05:40PM (#57846954)
    $17 million is cheap compared to the cost of data breaches on "third party clown" systems, and the cost of giving private data to the likes of Scumazon and Scroogle to play with.
  • by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @05:55PM (#57847002) Journal

    The state still owes $2 million on the equipment, which it bought in 2016 as part of a failed plan to develop a centralized storage system, call Kansas GovCloud, for computer information. That idea was canceled by state IT officials who said it was too expensive. Instead, the state contracts with an outside company to store data on remote servers.

    The idea was cancelled when IT experts explained to the governor and secretary of state that this equipment could make it harder to engage in election fraud and that could inadvertently cause the votes of black and Hispanic people to be counted.

    Kansas has had one of the most corrupt state governments for decades. Finally this year, the citizens of Kansas had enough and threw the Republicans out of office in the hope that they would accidentally fall into a hole somewhere 40 miles outside Topeka and never be seen again.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:13PM (#57847034)

      The state still owes $2 million on the equipment, which it bought in 2016 as part of a failed plan to develop a centralized storage system, call Kansas GovCloud, for computer information. That idea was canceled by state IT officials who said it was too expensive. Instead, the state contracts with an outside company to store data on remote servers.

      The idea was cancelled when IT experts explained to the governor and secretary of state that this equipment could make it harder to engage in election fraud and that could inadvertently cause the votes of black and Hispanic people to be counted.

      Kansas has had one of the most corrupt state governments for decades. Finally this year, the citizens of Kansas had enough and threw the Republicans out of office in the hope that they would accidentally fall into a hole somewhere 40 miles outside Topeka and never be seen again.

      The simplest explanation is usually correct. In this case, the government is incompetent, made bad decisions, and can't even give away computer hardware in a timely manner without dragging it out until the hardware is worthless.

      Incompetent. Just like the government of whatever blue state you live in.

    • by wwphx ( 225607 ) on Sunday December 23, 2018 @02:29PM (#57850068) Homepage
      If they want them to accidentally fall into a hole, they should be sent to Oklahoma or Florida.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22, 2018 @05:58PM (#57847006)

    State had $17 million to waste on useless computers while their teachers were getting paid so little they had to work second and third jobs. I read about some teachers working at McDonalds after they finished teaching school. Keep in mind Kansas had a budget surplus before a trickle down economic ideologue became a governor. After what happened in Kansas should be death knell for myth of trickle down economy.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:22PM (#57847064)

      Until their is a direct link between politicans pay to teachers, police, firefighters, etc. there will never be money to the ones who deserve it

    • by hwihyw ( 4763935 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:25PM (#57847074)

      Average Kansas teacher gets paid $53,314 (https://www1.salary.com/KS/Public-School-Teacher-Salary.html), before benefits. There are an average 180 days in a school year, with 6.64 hours in a school day, so 180*6.64=1195.2/$53,314=$44/hour. Raise your hand if you make close to $44/hour before benefits.

      • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:42PM (#57847118)

        They work longer than a school day, most teachers i know put in a solid 40 hours a week and if they coach, add another ten hours.

      • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:45PM (#57847132)

        Haha, average... I'm guessing that includes useless administrators.

      • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:49PM (#57847148)

        /me raises his hand

      • by LostMyBeaver ( 1226054 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:52PM (#57847156)
        My hand is not raised because I donâ€(TM)t make anywhere near that little.

        That said, I have never met a teacher who does not have to grade tests, plan, prep the classroom, etc... most teachers work a lot more than you seem to think. Why not offer teachers a trade... pay them 80% per hour of their current pay and offer them to charge per hour. If they turn it down, fire them because they are either lazy or they are idiots. Of course, you would likely end up having to pay the ones who stay 50% more.

        It is obvious your teachers failed to educate you. Please learn to perform the slightest research before speaking about something. There is a new web site called Google and you can type questions into it. Use it ;)
      • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:58PM (#57847174)
        None of the teachers I've met just work during class, idiot. They usually work an extra 2-4 hours a day (before and after school) plus weekends. Not to mention the extra out-of-pocket expenses made to cover the gaps in funding. Factor that into your calculations and make some proper adjustments. No teacher has ever, ever said they feel overpaid, yet many have quit or washed out because of feeling underappreciated or unsupported.
      • by Registered Coward v2 ( 447531 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @07:21PM (#57847236)

        Average Kansas teacher gets paid $53,314 (https://www1.salary.com/KS/Public-School-Teacher-Salary.html), before benefits. There are an average 180 days in a school year, with 6.64 hours in a school day, so 180*6.64=1195.2/$53,314=$44/hour. Raise your hand if you make close to $44/hour before benefits.

        According to BLS, the average pay is $44,620. Kansas has 186 school days, which would not include any teacher work days but eve for an 8 hour days (most teachers are there before and after student instructional time), that works out to $30/hour. Add in time spent on teacher work days, preping for class, grading homework, etc. and it becomes even less. However, the 186 days worked doesn't mean teachers have another 6 months they can work, since that is spred out over about 9 months once vacation days are counted. Not many jobs will let you work 2 months, leave for 9 and return again. To put it into perspecive, between vacation and holidays most jobs only work 46 weeks out of the year, for a total of 1920 hours worked. If you asssume 4 teacher work days, tha means 190 days worked or 1520 hours, for an hourly rate of $29. A non teaching equivalent salary for 1920 hours is ~56K. By your standards, 56K is a great salary,

        • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @07:34PM (#57847272)
          and not median. I suspect the numbers are heavily cooked. I make good money in IT and I don't spend my evenings at McDonalds. Yet we know for a fact many teachers in Kansas are doing just that. Too many for it to be the occasional workaholic.

          I know that in my neck of the woods schools in wealthy neighborhoods have much, much better pay. That's because schools are funded by property taxes, so wealthy districts have wealthy schools. That would, of course, screw up the averages. I can't find any sources for the $44k and $56k figures being but I wouldn't be surprised to find University research professors mixed in there with their $100k+ salaries. Again, anything to inflate the average.
        • by stdarg ( 456557 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @07:43PM (#57847306)

          You think most jobs get 6 weeks of vacation/holidays?

          $56k is a pretty good salary, actually, considering the median household income is about $50k in Kansas. A married pair of teachers would be significantly above the median.

        • by markdavis ( 642305 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @10:18PM (#57847780)

          >"By your standards, 56K is a great salary"

          In Kansas, it probably very much is a great salary. And that doesn't include their generally great benefits. In some other areas, that is not at a great salary at all. Where one lives makes a HUGE difference due to taxes, housing costs, and local prices.

          To see the difference, even ignoring huge tax differences, just look at the average price of a decent 1 bedroom apartment from place to place. It can vary from $400 up to $4000 per month. That is huge. Now double their state income taxes on top of that. Now increase their sales taxes. Now double or triple the gas tax (example- right now KS is $2/gal while CA is $3.40/gal). And double or triple the insurance costs. I think you get the idea.

          • by Registered Coward v2 ( 447531 ) on Sunday December 23, 2018 @10:52AM (#57849334)

            >"By your standards, 56K is a great salary"

            In Kansas, it probably very much is a great salary. And that doesn't include their generally great benefits. In some other areas, that is not at a great salary at all. Where one lives makes a HUGE difference due to taxes, housing costs, and local prices.

            To see the difference, even ignoring huge tax differences, just look at the average price of a decent 1 bedroom apartment from place to place. It can vary from $400 up to $4000 per month. That is huge. Now double their state income taxes on top of that. Now increase their sales taxes. Now double or triple the gas tax (example- right now KS is $2/gal while CA is $3.40/gal). And double or triple the insurance costs. I think you get the idea.

            I fully agree; cost of living makes a huge difference in lifestyle. My point was that calculating a teachers salary but dividing hours worked into salary gives a false impression of what they are paid relative to someone who works a regular scheduled job.

        • Not many jobs will let you work 2 months, leave for 9 and return again.

          Nah, there are loads of jobs like that, especially in the summer, at least in places worth visiting on vacation. That does of course mean that they are less prevalent in Kansas. However, none of them pay anything.

          • by Registered Coward v2 ( 447531 ) on Sunday December 23, 2018 @10:55AM (#57849340)

            Not many jobs will let you work 2 months, leave for 9 and return again.

            Nah, there are loads of jobs like that, especially in the summer, at least in places worth visiting on vacation. That does of course mean that they are less prevalent in Kansas. However, none of them pay anything.

            That's the crux of the issue. The teachers I know joke you can tell which teachers have a spouse/partner/whatever with a real job by the car they drive; unless it's a nice brand new loaded truck and then they are a winning football coach.

      • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22, 2018 @07:34PM (#57847270)

        ...6.64 hours in a school day... =$44/hour.

        When do you suppose lesson plans get written, and tests and quizzes get graded?

        Not to mention all the other things teachers have to do, usually on their own time.

        Then they have to fight, threaten to strike, or strike to get decent salary increases. And then after the teachers sweat blood to get a new contract then the school district just hands the administrators, janitors, etc., the same raise (or better) on a silver platter without even batting an eye.

        Sounds like you don't have any friends who are teachers.

        Maybe should try walking a mile in a teacher's shoes before you start criticizing what they get paid.

      • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22, 2018 @07:47PM (#57847312)

        The average human has one tit

        Tell me about the median

      • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22, 2018 @08:09PM (#57847398)

        I teach dual credit (high school and college credit high school classes) in Texas. It's December 22nd. I am theoretically out for Christmas Break. In reality, I was at school today working on things. I decided not to reorganize my classroom by myself; I will ask for student volunteers to help me before classes resume in January. My plan for Christmas break is to work on my classes, especially getting courses set up in our LMS.

        I did the same thing over Thanksgiving Break.

        I did the same thing last summer.

        Good teachers work every chance they get, to help the kids learn. If we took into account the value of the kids time, we would spend a lot more on the public schools.

        I can not say more without doxing myself.

      • by sjames ( 1099 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @08:35PM (#57847480) Homepage Journal

        You forgot that teachers have to work several hours a day after the last class grading papers, talking to parents, and filling out a never ending stream of documents and forms for the bureaucracy. Also many teachers end up having to pay out of pocket for needed supplies since the official channels will take so long the students will graduate before the request is filled (if ever).

      • by UnknowingFool ( 672806 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @10:41PM (#57847834)

        I notice how you failed to include the relevant part of that figure: "The average Public School Teacher salary in Kansas is $53,314 as of December 01, 2018, but the range typically falls between $46,543 and $61,547. Salary ranges can vary widely depending on the city and many other important factors, including education, certifications, additional skills, the number of years you have spent in your profession."

        Also I highly doubt teachers work 6.65 hours per day unless you think that the teachers roll up to school 5 minutes before classes start. Also in your wold do homework and test grade themselves and teacher never have to do any sort of prep work.

      • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 23, 2018 @05:37PM (#57850794)

        My Dad is a retired teacher, my Sis was working as a teacher for about 10 years, and I was a relief teacher.

        I also know a few other teacher friends.

        You probably have to increase your figures in terms of number of hours worked alot more, especially when it is test or exam season.

        I know of teachers working about 10 to 12 hours a day for a couple of weeks at a time. Part of the time will be at home while they mark, prep tests, classes, etc.

        No doubt this is not in the US (Singapore), but I assume it will be similar in most places.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22, 2018 @07:16PM (#57847224)

      Teachers working 2 and 3/jobs is fake news. That article in time magazine a few weeks back was all bs. They had a teacher in LA that had expensive rent and another in new York. Jesus just pick the most expensive places to live and interview some clown

    • by Solandri ( 704621 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @08:18PM (#57847422)
      The Kansas public education budget [governing.com] is $4.9 billion. It works out to almost exactly $10,000 per student, with about 39% of that going to instructor salary, 12% to instructor benefits.

      With 41,243 teachers [ballotpedia.org], that works out to an average (mean) salary of $46,300 plus $13,800 in benefits.

      This compares to a statewide average (mean) income of $43,953 [ks.gov]. Searching through those labor stats for "education" confirms that the mean for most teaching jobs is right around the $45k mark.

      If your claim that teachers have to work second or third jobs just to get by is true, that would mean more than half of Kansas citizens have to work second or third jobs just to get by.
    • by AHuxley ( 892839 ) on Sunday December 23, 2018 @01:14AM (#57848242) Journal
      "Teachers and "pay" cant teach IQ.
      Generations have tried to teach people using books, computers, robot GUI, new software, enjoyed spending huge extra charity budgets.
      Better teachers don't help. More pay does not help. Different types of new computer "education" has the same low results.
      Demographics and IQ always show up on testing and results years and decades later.
  • Donate to Schools? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jonesy16 ( 595988 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:05PM (#57847018)

    And the geniuses at the state level have or have not considered donating this to other public entities in the state, e.g., the public school systems, state universities, etc. that probably all receive some level of state funding?

  • Nice pitch (Score:5, Funny)

    by AndyKron ( 937105 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:05PM (#57847020)
    Sales pitch: Quick! Buy it before it becomes worthless.
  • by bobstreo ( 1320787 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:05PM (#57847024)

    more, paid by Kansas, there are a couple of companies willing to take 2+ year old electronic scrap away.

    As soon as they accepted delivery, the equipment had probably lost 1/2 it's value, so following Generally Accepted Accounting Practices, they should have depreciated the value of most of this junk already.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:09PM (#57847030)

    nd, Spend, but hate to tax to pay for their spending. Goofballs. Neverumind all the other shenanigans.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:18PM (#57847042)

    failed plan to develop a centralized storage system

    The solution was simple as to allocate many harddisks in RAID6 and to use the Hadoop/Spark systems.

    Is it really spent $10M in it? Show us the cashes!

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:22PM (#57847062)

    Tell me a day. and I will drive over a pick it up.

    Really, though. find a local 501c3 that has a computer tech class. It may be worthless, but that group can use it. Think of it as lab equipment, to learn and earn a degree, OS load, Repair, Networking, ...

    I helped a group in 2nd city imn early 2000... Racks, switches, servers, DELL 6 processor P-Pro, AX machine, Sun, HP/9000, 75 486 matched PC, CD-ROM sderver 28 drives, 6 drive baby. Yes, it was all old equipment. The AX is what I got cert with. 75 matched machines was for computer repair classes. Others in the inner city, got their certs to becuase of this. Also 2 shelters for women and families. Firewall were create, and more and more.

    It is one reason to keep local Linux active and growing.. the gift of knowledge even if it old... is still knowledge. Eleectron flow does not change, even if the processor is newer and faster.

    YES, it is all old

  • 10 Million (Score:4, Funny)

    by Hognoxious ( 631665 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:24PM (#57847072) Homepage Journal

    It's just dust in the wind.

  • by bongey ( 974911 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:29PM (#57847088)

    Same contractor for healthcare.gov seems they are trying to unload the equipment to a school . https://www.seattletimes.com/n... [seattletimes.com]

  • by Snotnose ( 212196 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:40PM (#57847114)
    Back in the early/mid 80's my company bought 4 DEC PC clones for something like $3500 each (PC at the time were about $2k, depending on options). They sucked on multiple levels. The one I remember is the OS (MS-DOS) didn't come with the format program, you had to buy formatted discs from DEC for like $2 each. Or get one of your engineers to format a $0.25 disc at home and bring it in. Whatever. The managers that got them soon gave them to senior engineers, who soon gave them to team leads, who soon realized nobody wanted them. At that point every engineer worth a damn had their own PC at home that cost half as much and was twice as powerful.

    Company ended up donating them to a charity or school, and deducted the full purchase price from their taxes. How do I know this? The president of the company, in a company wide meeting, said so.
  • by CanadianMacFan ( 1900244 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @06:48PM (#57847142)

    If they pay the shipping I'll find room for it. I just upgraded the disks on my NAS but I could always use more storage space.

  • by DidgetMaster ( 2739009 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @07:08PM (#57847208) Homepage
    'Computer equipment' could mean anything. If it were practical things like disk drives, SSD, or tons of memory that could be easily used in other hardware then I think they could have gotten some decent bids on it. The fact that they couldn't attract any bids tells me either it is all junk, or they are not giving out proper information so they can unload it for pennies on the dollar to some crony friend who will make a killing on the deal at taxpayer expense.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22, 2018 @07:26PM (#57847244)

    So build some Beowulf machines.

  • by NormAtHome ( 99305 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @07:41PM (#57847298)

    I work for a couple non-profits who've been hit hard by budget cuts; is there a list of what they're trying to get rid of and any way to apply for it even if the non-profit has to pay for shipping it probably would be well worth it for some items?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22, 2018 @08:29PM (#57847454)

    because he clearly is not sure how one goes about making donations to charity.

  • by Benfea ( 1365845 ) on Saturday December 22, 2018 @08:49PM (#57847528)
    I wonder which politicians got bribes campaign donations from the company they ultimately bought cloud service from? I would feel pity for the Kansas taxpayer, but they voted Republican, so they had to expect huge deficits and corruption.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22, 2018 @09:55PM (#57847726)

    Really, I could use a few million dollars in hardware.

  • + "Let's upgrade our stores to use hand scanners at checkout!"
    + "Let's buy the equipment used at auction!"
    + "Let's read the manual and put the inventory on the computer ourselves!"
    + "Let's forget the whole damn thing!"

    10 years later...Clerks still put price stickers on items and ring things up manually.

    The equipment is still in their warehouse gathering dust.

  • $10 million should buy about 73,000 TRS-80s, if you figure $100 each plus $37 shipping [ebay.com]. At an estimated weight of 44 lbs each [stackexchange.com], that comes to 3.2 million lbs, or 1605 tons. Here's yer first shipment. Cmon back. Cmon back.
  • Where's the actual list of equipment to be disposed of? Personally, I can't see the Kansas state government knowing it's hole from an ass in the wall, so I doubt if the equipment is up to snuff. But who knows? Maybe they accidentally ordered a Cray or something.
  • by RockDoctor ( 15477 ) on Sunday December 23, 2018 @10:52AM (#57849336) Journal
    What is Slashdot coming to, that no one has dug up the trope of "Imagine a Beowulf cluster of those", run it up the flagpole and watched it flap in the breeze?

    (Take one Geek point for seeing the Beowulf in the "Subject:" line. )

  • by MSInsight ( 647382 ) on Sunday December 23, 2018 @03:32PM (#57850284)
    freedom of information act (KSA 45-215 et seq) requests if GovCloud data was not able to be exported in some format for review and redaction? Looks like conservatives weren't interested in news media looking over their shoulder and second guessing their performance and decisions of state departments. That would go along with conservative's overzealous implementation of digitization of governmental functions even when they betray asserted fiduciary motives to sell them while hidden political motives to reduce civil servant union headcount is the prime motivator regardless of lower end user service levels, failed state and federal compliance, and rising technology/technical labor costs in over-the-horizon years which vastly exceed the cost of file cabinet/file folder systems.

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