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Oracle Says China Telecom Has Misdirected Internet Traffic, Including Out of the US, in Recent Years (zdnet.com) 58

Posted by msmash from the stranger-things dept.
Oracle's Internet Intelligence division has confirmed today the findings of a recently published academic paper that accused China of "hijacking the vital internet backbone of western countries." From a report: The research paper was authored by researchers from the US Naval War College and Tel Aviv University and it made quite a few waves online after it was published. Researchers accused China Telecom, one of China's biggest state-owned internet service providers, of hijacking and detouring internet traffic through its normally-closed internet infrastructure. Some security experts contested the research paper's findings because it didn't come from an authoritative voice in the world of internet BGP hijacks, but also because the paper touched on many politically sensitive topics, such as China's cyber-espionage activities and how China used BGP hijacks as a way to circumvent the China-US cyber pact of 2015. But today, Doug Madory, Director of Oracle's Internet Analysis division (formerly Dyn), confirmed that China Telecom has, indeed, engaged in internet traffic "misdirection." "I don't intend to address the paper's claims around the motivations of these actions," said Madori. "However, there is truth to the assertion that China Telecom (whether intentionally or not) has misdirected internet traffic (including out of the United States) in recent years."
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  • Source (Score:5, Informative)

    by Geoffrey.landis ( 926948 ) on Tuesday November 06, 2018 @04:07PM (#57602418) Homepage

    The actual research paper being discussed is here: https://scholarcommons.usf.edu... [usf.edu]

    • the solution is easy and has a RFC 6480

      RPKI has been around since 2013

      RPKI provides a way to connect Internet number resource information (such as Autonomous System numbers and IP addresses) to a trust anchor. The certificate structure mirrors the way in which Internet number resources are distributed. That is, resources are initially distributed by the IANA to the Regional Internet Registries (RIRs), who in turn distribute them to Local Internet registries (LIRs), who then distribute the resources to their

      • so whats your excuse america ?

        I know right? What's the big deal with changing the way the internet backbone works for all of N. America?

  • Lets build a new internet already (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Pinky's Brain ( 1158667 ) on Tuesday November 06, 2018 @04:18PM (#57602524)

    I'm getting sick of this shit. The US and the EU should just make the old internet an overlay on a new internet, with new internet traffic having priority. Fuck the globalist fairy tales. We don't need to be trivially vulnerable to DDOS's (allow IP owners to send firewall rules upstream) we don't need foreign agents redirecting internal traffic ... we can fix this, we should have fixed this.

    Much like we should have told C programmers to take a long walk off a short peer the moment the inevitability of buffer overflows and use after free became clear, we should have started fixing the internet the moment it's ridiculous weaknesses to DDOS's and hijacks became clear. Yes the costs are huge ... but I'm pretty sure that by listening to the people who say there is no alternative because of those costs the economy has suffered criminal damages upward of a trillion dollar by now, time to stop listening.

    There is an alternative, it's not easy, it is necessary.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Much like we should have told C programmers to take a long walk off a short peer the moment the inevitability of buffer overflows and use after free became clear

      Son, you wouldn't have an internet, UNIX, Linux, or pretty much anything else interesting without C ... period.

      That nobody predicted the growth of the internet, or the security risks it would pose, is completely unsurprising to anybody with half a brain, which apparently you don't even qualify for.

      Don't go acting like a whiny punk if you couldn't do

      • Lol, there always was Assembler! Remember the free firewall that use to be written in Assembler?

      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Pinky's Brain ( 1158667 )

        Oh no, not Unix. That could have meant capability based security could have been the dominant paradigm instead of ACLs ... what a disaster that would have been.

    • Better yet, let's just do a wholesale block of all Chinese IP addresses. I do this for my servers.
    • If the US and EU built a new internet today you can safely assume it would be designed from the ground up to make it much easier to monitor all your activities and impose direct government control and approval over content, and of course YouTube-style copyright tyranny for all. If you think it would look anything like the freer internet of days past, you've missed just how far authoritarian creep has gone.

  • Pot and kettle, and all that (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    You're no better, America, and in no position to point fingers. And what's more, judging by what you've been up to in the world in the last 20 years, we should be far more afraid of you doing these things than China (as you claim).

    • You're no better, America, and in no position to point fingers. And what's more, judging by what you've been up to in the world in the last 20 years, we should be far more afraid of you doing these things than China (as you claim).

      Hello, comrade. It's late for you to be up trolling isn't it? Do your masters give extra vodka rations for overtime?

      If you have a research paper showing the US re-routing Chinese traffic, go ahead and post it.

  • and th NSA was happy (Score:5, Interesting)

    by spacepimp ( 664856 ) on Tuesday November 06, 2018 @04:40PM (#57602676)

    By allowing the data to flow out of the US they could spy on it all with slightly less violation of the constitutional rights of citizens. It is doubtful they were unaware of this occurrence and probably lauded the new signal to noise it provided.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by rtb61 ( 674572 )

      More likely, whilst the US government with the NSA and CIA were analysing all data traffic flows, all of it, they pattern analysed divergent traffic flows and were able to trace those data flows by monitoring all data flows (ohhh wait, should we tell the public about China because the only way we could have discovered it was by doing something very illegal ourselves, nah, don't worry most Americans are lead addled fuckwits, haw, haw, haw). So how did they claim they discovered it and can not the US inject t

      • Possibly, but I think it's more likely that they are afraid that people will realize the only way to protect your data from Chinese espionage is end-to-end encryption and a healthy dose of TOR; which would be inconvenient for the NSA.

  • Now there's two principles-to-live-by in the same room:

    1. Don't do business with Oracle.
    2. Don't do business with China.

  • Or maybe the whole international routing infrastructure and protocols.

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