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A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in Nevada (nytimes.com) 116

chiefcrash shares a report from The New York Times about a man who wants to build a community based on the blockchain technology introduced by Bitcoin: An enormous plot of land in the Nevada desert -- bigger than nearby Reno -- has been the subject of local intrigue since a company with no history, Blockchains L.L.C., bought it for $170 million in cash this year. The man who owns the company, a lawyer and cryptocurrency millionaire named Jeffrey Berns, put on a helmet and climbed into a Polaris off-road vehicle last week to give a tour of the sprawling property and dispel a bit of the mystery. He imagines a sort of experimental community spread over about a hundred square miles, where houses, schools, commercial districts and production studios will be built. The centerpiece of this giant project will be the blockchain, a new kind of database that was introduced by Bitcoin.

So far, he said, he has spent $300 million on the land, offices, planning and a staff of 70 people. And buying 67,000 largely undeveloped acres is a bit of old-fashioned, real estate risk-taking. Still, Mr. Berns said his ambition was not to be a real estate magnate or even to get rich -- or richer. He is promising to give away all decision-making power for the project and 90 percent of any dividends it generates to a corporate structure that will be held by residents, employees and future investors. That structure, which he calls a "distributed collaborative entity," is supposed to operate on a blockchain where everyone's ownership rights and voting powers will be recorded in a digital wallet.
"In a keynote spectacle at Devcon4 in Prague, Berns announced some of their plans for the future, as well as some of their recent activities, such as buying two nuclear bomb shelters, a mountain fortress in Switzerland, and a bank," adds Slashdot reader chiefcrash.
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A Cryptocurrency Millionaire Wants to Build a Utopia in Nevada

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  • He allows himself a lot of freedom of thinking.
    • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

      So 170,000,000/67,000=2,500 per acre versus https://www.howmuchisit.org/ac... [howmuchisit.org]. At a fucking guess dickbrain bought the land twice, once from who ever owned and then again from himself via dummy companies, not so dummy that he would have to pay capital gains tax but dummy enough for the dummies to buy the land 'AT COST', yar har, the wildly inflated cost, that dickbrain inflated ie buy it orginally for less and then sell it to yourself at a much inflated price and now claim the land is worth that price. So t

  • Interesting wonder (Score:4, Interesting)

    by oldgraybeard ( 2939809 ) on Friday November 02, 2018 @06:24PM (#57583598)
    where he is going to get the water from. With 67,000 acres of desert seems l;ike there is plenty of room. But with out water in large volumes I am not sure how this gets done.

    Just my 2 cents ;)
    • by tap ( 18562 ) on Friday November 02, 2018 @06:36PM (#57583636) Homepage

      It'll come from blockchain.

      You see, by recording things in blockchain, the least efficient database ever conceived of, anything becomes possible.

    • I'm guessing he's going to build windtraps [wikia.com].

    • by fermion ( 181285 )
      I assume he will expect the rest of us to pay taxes to cover his infrastructure, just like the people in the suburbs expect everyone to pay for the highways to get them home then complain about the city people mooching off everyone else.

      As much as people in the west like to take about personal responsibility and freedom, the only reason that there is water is because the government exercises strict control over water use.

      Much of the water storage in the area appears to be running on dry. I assume that t

      • by rfengr ( 910026 )
        You have it backwards. The ones in the suburbs, who fled the city crime, drugs, and shit schools (from decades of Democrat policies), are the ones propping up the cities via earnings taxes.
    • by rea1l1 ( 903073 )

      If he sets up sufficient solar, which is fairly likely already in his plans in his desert landscape, he might use that to pull it from the air en masse via condensation.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

      If he pulls extra, he could use it to grow large trees, which can be used to shade structures and also encourage condensation. As many species' needles/leaves (such as pines and redwoods) are also designed to encourage condensation and presuming he can get them established sufficiently, he might be able to ma

    • The land is right on the Truckee River...
      • That doesn't mean anything. He will have to have water rights to the river to draw from it and if the Truckee River is fully appropriated he will have to purchase rights to that water. If he lacks rights and pulls the water anyone and everyone that is downstream with rights to the water will have plenty of standing to sue.

        • they already have some sort of water rights, because apparently they're supplying water to the wild horses: https://thenevadaindependent.c... [thenevadaindependent.com]

          Also, if you look at the industrial park's marketing, they were advertising "substantial dedicated water rights sold with each acre". And Blockchains bought most of the acres...

          And the original article seems to indicate they've already got preliminary county approval...

          Clearly, they thought about the issue of getting water...
  • by Archfeld ( 6757 ) <treboreel@live.com> on Friday November 02, 2018 @06:47PM (#57583678) Journal

    Jonestown in Nevada? The setting is different but the Kool-Aid is the same.

    • Jonestown in Nevada? The setting is different but the Kool-Aid is the same.

      Can't make Kool-Aid without water. I think this is a bit more like Heaven's Gate. Maybe everybody will wear the same blockchain Nike sneakers.

    • Flavor Aid not Kool-Aid. When killing yourself go with history and use the cheap stuff.
      • by AuMatar ( 183847 )

        Can't take it with you. You may as well let the last your last earthly memory be the sweet, sweet taste of premium powdered fruit drink rather than cheap swill.

  • by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Friday November 02, 2018 @06:53PM (#57583706) Homepage Journal

    Ever heard of California City, California? That's the same idea, but in California. Lots are quite affordable, and also entirely plentiful. And you don't even have to live in Nevada. Guess what? Nobody wants to live in the desert unless there's some kind of natural feature there which makes it make sense.

    • Retirees who want an affordable place to live. See Lake Havasu City.

      • Nobody wants to live in the desert unless there's some kind of natural feature there which makes it make sense.

        Retirees who want an affordable place to live. See Lake Havasu City.

        I'll see your Lake Havasu City [wikipedia.org] and I'll raise you "on the shores of Lake Havasu [wikipedia.org]", a natural feature there which makes it make sense. HTH, HAND!

        • The guy who bought the land and build the city and brought over the London Bridge marketed the place as a place for retirees.

    • A while ago I saw a documentary about how people with allergies used to go to Phoenix (or some city like that) because because there were no plants growing there that they were allergic to. But over the years people were missing the trees and other plants from where they came and started planting them. One person would put in the plants that they wouldn't be allergic to but not thing about other people. It had gotten to the point where people are suffering from their allergies again.

    • by Cederic ( 9623 )

      some kind of natural feature there

      Yeah. There's a desert. Deserts are fucking awesome.

      I like the Mojave Desert. It's better even than the Western edge of the Sahara and that's got some gorgeous desert mountains.

  • by Comrade Ogilvy ( 1719488 ) on Friday November 02, 2018 @07:03PM (#57583730)

    ...even if you disagree with him. He is putting his money where his mouth is and trying something new.

    Yes he is a very wealthy man who can afford to squander a big chunk of his resources. There are very many people who could well afford to expend a small portion of their resources and try nothing.

    There are easily ten of thousands of "serious" socialists who spin yarns about their beautiful ideas, ideas that a couple hundred of them could try to put into practice by pooling their resources and building a new kind of community on the embers of some rural town whose heyday is long past. But they do not try.

    This man is trying.

    • by Gavagai80 ( 1275204 ) on Friday November 02, 2018 @07:22PM (#57583806) Homepage

      Buying tons of desert with no water access, two nuclear bomb shelters and a mountain fortress is just being bat-shit crazy. But sure, I give him credit for being more interesting about it than a millionaire who converts his wealth to pennies and buries it under hundreds of mattresses.

    • Fair enough, but this happens so rarely that it's kind of ridiculous when it does.

      This almost reads like the backstory for the plot of Bioshock 7 after the developers ran out of every other possible reason for someone to go off and start their city on a hill.
  • Well, You know the rest.....

  • gee, what could possibly [theguardian.com] go wrong? [google.com]
  • Every attempt to built a Utopia turns out to be a Hell.

    These for example :-
    https://listverse.com/2016/05/... [listverse.com]

    • Milton Keynes isn't *that* bad. My grandparents live there.

    • My favorite stupid Utopia idea included in this very good list is Arcosanti in Arizona. The list (based on a comment in a referenced article) asserts that Arcosanti, and its economy, was to be based on selling wind-chimes. This is false. Soleri paid not attention to the economic basis of his supposed Utopia at all. He was an architect and all he thought about was building vast complex structures. No thought about paying for them, or how they would be supported by economic activity.

      The problem with nearly a

      • The list (based on a comment in a referenced article) asserts that Arcosanti, and its economy, was to be based on selling wind-chimes. This is false. Soleri paid not attention to the economic basis of his supposed Utopia at all.

        Ironically, it's the one of these which is actually functional. It's not a utopia, just a couple of businesses in some funky buildings, but it's paying its bills.

  • In Atlas Shrugged (which I presume is the inspiration for this exercise), Midas Mulligan's valley (later known as Galt's Gulch) was located near Oured, Colorado. It had local hot springs for water, wheat farms and fruit tree orchards, and also a perpetual motion machine to make electricity and a hologram projector to keep it hidden from outsiders. I suppose solar power is available in the desert, but man cannot live by blockchain alone.
    • and also a perpetual motion machine to make electricity and a hologram projector to keep it hidden from outsiders.

      Sounds a bit like Wakanda.

      • I just remembered I saw that awful movie because of your comment.

        Fuck you.

  • if it was based on cash - well you can't eat cash,
    but it's based on blockchain - virtual cash - well you can't eat virtual cash either
    fecking air heads - go out in the desert and fecking die.
    (hmmm - sorry - that's not very nice)

  • I can see a WACO style ending to this.

  • https://twitter.com/dril/statu... [twitter.com]

    "me and a bunch of stupid assholes are going to start a community in the middle of the desert to either die or prove a very important point"

  • Not this shit again...a super-rich dude envisions his idea of Utopia and everything goes great...that is, until the humans show up.

    And then it starts....petty greed, disputes, minor conflicts breeding simmering revenge, jealousy, vying for power, undue influence, bribery, power plays, pervy sexual urges, and a host of other human traits come into play, and before you know it someone's handing you a cup of Kool-Aid.

    Yeah, this whole "come live in my Utopia compound" thing never seems to end well. For example:

    • Not this shit again...a super-rich dude envisions his idea of Utopia and everything goes great...that is, until the humans show up.....

      Because everyone's version of utopia is their own version. Most utopians all want to be the benevolent dictator in complete control and assume everyone will follow their vision. The problem is anyone who signs up to live in a utopia has their own personal vision of what it should be, and eventually they'll want to make changes. It can go one of three ways, it becomes democratized and turns into just another place (Utah), people leave and it collapses (most hippie communes), or it turns into a police state (

    • There are lots of agricultural cooperatives formed in the 70s that are still there.

      You don't hear about them unless something goes wrong.

      It isn't like they have internet. Often they don't even have a telephone.

  • by najajomo ( 4890785 ) on Friday November 02, 2018 @09:37PM (#57584220)
    Blockchain more likely laundering.drug.money.chain
  • If this is some sort of scam, or if he is an overly idealistic true believer.

    • To be fair, he's sunk an *awful* lot of his own money into this if it's a scam...

      I'd go unrealistically idealistic...
  • Is Mr. Berns going to start a Nuclear Power plant too?
  • "Wants to Build a Utopia " = " wants to build a community based on the blockchain technology"

    ????

    Step 4: Profit!

    Also:

    Mr. Berns said his ambition was not ...... to get rich

    Sure thing.... Mr. Burns.

  • This sounds like a neat idea in theory but in practice it's unlikely to work.

    I can applaud the idea of a utopian society, except it's a thousand times easier to try and create one within our own society, well-integrated into the systems that are needed, than it is to completely DIY it from the ground up. The area in Nevada he's purchased is pretty miserable in any season. Hot and dry, very cold at night. The only advantage to living there is you don't need much deodorant because the environment is so hos

  • I think you have to pick one.

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