Canadian Music Group Proposes 'Copyright Tax' On Internet Use (torrentfreak.com) 265
After ongoing discussions and proposals about new taxes and fees to compensate creators for "missed revenue," the Screen Composers Guild of Canada is calling for a copyright tax on all broadband data use above 15 gigabytes per month. TorrentFreak reports: A proposal from the Screen Composers Guild of Canada (SCGC), put forward during last week's Government hearings, suggests to simply add a levy on Internet use above 15 gigabytes per month. The music composers argue that this is warranted because composers miss out on public performance royalties. One of the reasons for this is that online streaming services are not paying as much as terrestrial broadcasters. The composers SCGC represents are not the big music stars. They are the people who write music for TV-shows and other broadcasts. Increasingly these are also shown on streaming services where the compensation is, apparently, much lower.
SCGC's solution to this problem is to make every Canadian pay an extra fee when they use over 15 gigabytes of data per month. This money would then be used to compensate composers and fix the so-called "value gap." As a result, all Internet users who go over the cap will have to pay more. Even those who don't watch any of the programs where the music is used. However, SCGC doesn't see the problem and believes that 15 gigabytes are enough. People who want to avoid paying can still use email and share photos, they argue. Those who go over the cap are likely streaming not properly compensated videos. SCGC writes: "[W]hen you're downloading and consuming over 15 gigabytes of data a month, you're likely streaming Spotify. You're likely streaming YouTube. You're likely streaming Netflix. So we think because the FANG companies will not give us access to the numbers that they have, we have to apply a broad-based levy. They're forcing us to."
SCGC's solution to this problem is to make every Canadian pay an extra fee when they use over 15 gigabytes of data per month. This money would then be used to compensate composers and fix the so-called "value gap." As a result, all Internet users who go over the cap will have to pay more. Even those who don't watch any of the programs where the music is used. However, SCGC doesn't see the problem and believes that 15 gigabytes are enough. People who want to avoid paying can still use email and share photos, they argue. Those who go over the cap are likely streaming not properly compensated videos. SCGC writes: "[W]hen you're downloading and consuming over 15 gigabytes of data a month, you're likely streaming Spotify. You're likely streaming YouTube. You're likely streaming Netflix. So we think because the FANG companies will not give us access to the numbers that they have, we have to apply a broad-based levy. They're forcing us to."
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Re:blank CDRs (Score:5, Interesting)
Came here to say the exact same thing. GG Canada. Nobody is buying CD-Rs anymore, so these asshats are trying to find other ways to force money out of people that have nothing to do with the work they're producing.
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IRONY: The biggest pirate of all is the Music industry itself. Please take a moment to read this old article: "The plaintiffsâ(TM) (musicians) claimed compensation for use of work listed on what are known in the Canadian recording industry as âoepending lists.â These lists, accumulated over many years, contain works for which no licence was obtained and no compensation paid........ â" the action could have been worth up to $6-billion."
In other words the music industry owed 6 billion dollars to musicians for non-payment of songs they used w/o comprensation. - LINK : https://business.financialpost... [financialpost.com]
And the followup: The record industry only paid 50 million of the 6000 million owed to artists:
https://entertainment.slashdot... [slashdot.org]
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It was something AOL developed in the 80's to spread viruses and associated malware marketed under the AOL Trademark.
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I was a semi liberal supporter until reading this. Fucking cunt working that out and Justin sucking Trump's cock. We should have just turned the hydro and water off to the eastern states and closed down the rail system that handles Alaskan coal through our territory. Meanwhile in BC we have government and SOME of the indigenous groups holding up a oil pipeline to the coast that could be used to ship stuff off to China.
We NEED to develop / put in place more refineries here so we can process our own resources and say fuck your Cheezie Poof haired prick.
Do you really think the Conservatives would have handled the NAFTA stuff better? Any which way we were fucked, and have been ever since the PC's negotiated the first Canada US free trade deal that saw all our manufacturing go south to the States and we had to adjust in such a way that we were even more dependent on the States for trade. As long as Trump acted like they didn't have a trade surplus with us and we aren't a brutal dictatorship that he could love, we were fucked.
The pipeline is just another way
Because EVERYONE is pirating "Anne With An E"... (Score:2)
Work they're producing? What work is that?
Screencomposers Guild of Canada is just trying to strongarm a handout from Canadians.
No one is watching, let alone pirating, the dreck like Anne With An E. And we heard enough of the Tragically Hip's Bobcaygeon in the 1990s before FM radio was replaced with services that gave us the option to avoid ever hearing its constant CanCon rotation again.
But this still avoids addressing the central problem. Information wants to be free - that's what the Internet is about. The old distribution and revenue models have
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By "streaming" spotify, netflix, youtube, whatnot, all the "dues" are already paid for you greedy fucking dinosaurs.
Yes, but they want more dues. All the dues that could be due.
Re:blank CDRs (Score:5, Insightful)
And just like the CDR tax, all of us took that as a "license" to pirate anything that moved because hey, we'd already PAID for it.
Law of unintended consequences, SCGC...
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It was a license to copy non-commercially as ruled by the courts.
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Yep. And with this new levy I guess it'll be a license for me to torrent every song and movie ever made, since that's also noncommercial.
Sounds like a pretty good deal. They've got my vote!
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My downloading from piratebay had dropped to zero, since I was obtaining my entertainment legally from Netflix.com or Slingtv.com........ WHY should I have to pay a "piracy" tax when I'm not pirating anything?
Stupid.
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To be fair they explain why in TFS, it's because they think that streaming services don't pay enough.
They may have a point there, streaming services don't adequately compensate artists. But the solution is not to hit the consumers, it's to force the streaming sites to pay up. It's hard for them because a lot of the services are based in the US outside Canadian jurisdiction, but there are ways to handle that.
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Making copies of records for them was illegal, you should have just let them make the copy to meet the licensing that the copyright levy created. As long as they pressed the record button, perfectly legal thanks to the levy.
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It's the tax on blank CDRs all over again.
This proposal is so stupid that Hollywood will ram it down out throats in 3..2..1..
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No it's not. The primary purpose of CDRs was to copy stuff kind of like Bittorrent where the legitimate use is actually far lower than the alternative.
On the other hand 15GB of internet? I just bought, paid for, and downloaded Doom. Why should I pay a tax on 55GB of that download, especially when the vast majority of the several hundred GB that gets used in my house is gobbled up by streaming services which I already pay for.
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In France, the tax on CD-R is on top of the usual VAT. And as the price of the media went down, it became more expensive than the disk itself.
The funny part is that most pirates (or should I say "private backup copy makers") bought their CDs in illegal shops or imported them in order to avoid paying the tax.
Re:blank CDRs (Score:5, Interesting)
In Canada, we just switched to DVD-R's, plus the courts ruled that due to the levy, we were free to copy music for personal use.
Perhaps if this idea goes through, it'll mean being free to download movies.
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The French law affects all forms of storage capable of storing audio and video: CD, DVD, USB drives, smartphones, tapes, memory cards, DVR with built-in storage... It is just that the tax is particularly high, and often evaded on CD-R and DVD-R.
And it means we are free to copy music we already bought, but not to share it, also, DRM circumvention is still illegal. As you might imagine, this tax is very controversial.
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We are free to copy music we didn't buy. While we were not free to distribute, the courts rulings on making it available were pretty lax. I could put music on an ftp server and you could pull it, but I could not upload it to your ftp server.
From http://www.musicbymailcanada.c... [musicbymailcanada.com]
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Didn't finish my posting, here's the actual law. http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca... [justice.gc.ca] which basically agrees with the above post.
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The law doesn't say anything that stops borrowing a recording and copying it. You could call it a loophole or it could be something that was done on purpose.
How is having a ftp server running in the background equal communicating to the public by telecommunication. You're part of the public but without an invitation or being lucky in guessing, you won't get very far on my ftp server. My private circle, I could give a login to.
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Other way around.
AudioCD recordables were more expensive but had no way of telling the player they were audio-only.
Data recordables where the levy was not paid, were usually sold with bare labels (intended to be printed on, not permanent marker) but otherwise unless the recordables were set redbook only, many audio players would try to play data tracks, eg car audio.
Both Audio and Data CD-R(W)s had levies on them, but they were higher in the Audio ones.
Some set top CD-Recorders could only use the more expensive audio CD-Rs.
Computer CD-Writers could write to either disc, and can create either a Data or Audio disc that will play in virtually any player.
Then DVD-R media didn't have the levies on it, so quite quickly they were cheaper than blank CDs. Unless you had to have a CD, they were cheaper, even if you just wanted to write 100MB on them. Then came along DVD-Decrypte
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The movie industry noticed this decision and did not want the same thing to happen to them.
Much of the current copyright fee structure had been created by a few very large corporations guarding their profits on a relatively sma number of works, and they don't care about any other concerns, people or artists. It really doesn't surprise me that this proposal is coming from a group of smaller artists. The current system is completely broken for smaller works, orphan works, and near orphan works.
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The problem with that is there is no reliable way to identify content, so this would surely end up as identified data being taxed and paid to the music/movie industry by default. Because "nobody could possibly be" downloading that much data unless they were downloading major studio content, there is nothing else that they could possibly be downloading. Even content from minor studios would end up with these taxes being paid to the major studios.
Impossible for this to happen, you say? It already happens wit
Does Canada's music suck or something? (Score:4, Funny)
Isn't Canada the place that put a media tax on CDR/RW disks and such -- because their poor music industry was so hard-done-by?
My advice to Canadian musicians and singers: take a teaspoon of cement and harden up!
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One of several places.
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Isn't Canada the place that put a media tax on CDR/RW disks and such -- because their poor music industry was so hard-done-by?
The current attempt at upping revenue sounds even more obnoxious. The claim doesn't seem to be that the tax is needed because of pirating, the claim seems to be that the tax is needed because the legally-negotiated compensation they receive through a streaming service isn't enough (as compared to other public performances, apparently). Is it really the case that having failed to negotiate what they think is a high enough amount of compensation through normal legal channels, they are seeking a government m
Re: Does Canada's music suck or something? (Score:5, Interesting)
How do they divide up the procedes? Per copyright? Per sale in normal media?
How does a band with 20 songs and 1 hit fare againse music copyright trolls who write "1000 songs", none of which are hits, and they aren't really a recording musician, but are happy to sue a hit song that happens to vaguely sound like one of their planted scatershot?
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Not just optical media. We pay extra for flash and magnetic drives.
No we don't. After the courts ruled that the levy on blank CDR's meant a license to copy music, they lost interest in more levy's.
Find a more appropriate target. (Score:5, Interesting)
One of the reasons for this is that online streaming services are not paying as much as terrestrial broadcasters.
Then get streaming services to pay you more, not Internet users in general.
As for me, I don't think I've ever used more than 15GB in a month, but if I did, it wouldn't be because I downloaded (or streamed) music or video.
Re:Find a more appropriate target. (Score:5, Insightful)
If you're using >15GB Pornhub are probably 1st in line, not musicians, Canadian or otherwise.
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> If you're using >15GB Pornhub are probably 1st in line, not musicians, Canadian or otherwise.
Or you just cut the cord and use Netflix, Amazon, iTunes, and friends.
Re:Find a more appropriate target. (Score:5, Insightful)
> If you're using >15GB Pornhub are probably 1st in line, not musicians, Canadian or otherwise.
Or you just cut the cord and use Netflix, Amazon, iTunes, and friends.
Ya, I just checked and I actually do use more than 15GB / month -- watching Amazon Prime. If the SCGC thinks Amazon (and, by extension, Netflix) does not properly compensate their member, they should negotiate with (or sue) them, not extort the entire Internet base.
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Or big software updates...
I blow through much more than 15GB, and most of it is software updates for the various devices in the house.
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It's really easy to go way over 15GB if you don't have cable and use Netflix, Amazon Prime. ... Our family used about 700-800 GB a month. We have a 1Tb cap.
Ya, I actually just checked and I have used more than 15GB this month - watching Amazon Prime (binging BSG and Doctor Who). I don't do this every month and, you're right, 15GB isn't actually very much these days. Still, if the SCGC has a problem, they need to negotiate with (or sue) the streaming providers, not extort money from the entire Internet base.
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I have a better idea. (Score:3, Insightful)
Why don't I just stop you on your way to work to your law firm and take some money out of your wallet because I think you should give me money.
Oh wait, I can't. Because that's called robbery.
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Let's tax people when they enter a grocery store and give the money to members of the National Restaurant Association.
If you cook your own food you are Stealing From McDonald's!
They are at it again... (Score:2)
Fun fact: The music industry sued to try and stop the production of player pianos because they will put the musicians out of work. The musicians cash cow is concert ticket, not album sales.
Perhaps the music industry should pay for all the free promotion they are getting.
Dumb reasoning. (Score:5, Insightful)
However, SCGC doesn't see the problem and believes that 15 gigabytes are enough.
Who died and made you king of anything?
People who want to avoid paying can still use email and share photos, they argue.
Which they do using Internet data - ding dongs.
Those who go over the cap are likely streaming not properly compensated videos.
[citation needed]
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Nobody died and made anyone king. Canada already has a queen. But it's also a democracy and as such everyone is allowed to propose dumb ideas.
Having said that, read the last two sentences again. This looks a hell of a lot like a negotiating tactic to me.
That's like a third of a video game (Score:3, Informative)
Bigger games these days are easily 45GB.
These backwards, tech illiterate rights organisations can go fuck themselves.
I say people who demand money for nothing in return are likely abusing their spouses. Have you stopped abusing your spouses Mr. Posner and Mr. Novotny?
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"One of the reasons for this is that online streaming services are not paying as much as terrestrial broadcasters."
Translation: Ee cut a "shitty deal" on public performance royalties for online streaming so we want more money forced through government taxes!
"The composers SCGC represents are not the big music stars. They are the people who write music for TV-shows and other broadcasts."
Translation: We're not one of those big star assholes trying to wring out money, we're one of the small time assholes trying to wring out money!
"As a result, all Internet users who go over the cap will have to pay more. Even those who don't watch any of the programs where the music is used. However, SCGC doesn't see the problem and believes that 15 gigabytes are enough. People who want to avoid paying can still use email and share photos, they argue. Those who go over the cap are likely streaming not properly compensated videos."
Translation: Even though our music is so bad you intentionally mute all the stuff you stream, send/receive over 15 gigabytes worth of games with properly compensated music, and avoid us like the plague, we still figure you owe us money because hypothetically you might have for a split second in those 15 gigabytes listened to a few notes of one of ours songs, so give us money!
Gee, it sounds all so reasonable! While you're at it, why not have the government sue Amazon, Google, Microsoft, etc for all the money you're due? Then have the government suing ISPs because they facilitated all this under payed streaming. And then the consumers for daring to stream music without making sure to double or quintuple pay just to make sure the music creator/owner gets "enough" pay. You'll know you've paid enough when each music owner has bathroom fixtures plated in latinum.
15GB, really? (Score:5, Informative)
Some of us are not using their ridicule low bandwitdh for pirating stuff. 15GB goes by pretty fast when you're using a *legal* streaming service (also known as Netflix & such). Besides, some games go easily over multi-GB downloads, PC or consoles (most recent console is a PS2, I'm more of a PC gamer). What about people streaming from Tou.TV or other channel's streaming services, in a legal way? it's CD-tax all over again because they are stuck in a model that doesn't work anymore... What about people using backblaze or any other cloud service? My DVR has a 3TB drive, and I stream a good percentage of it over my phone while not home, so my legally recorded OTA contents is gonna cost me is I stream more than about an hour and a half of free ATSC? And they're wondering why people are going illegal IPTV...
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Besides, some games go easily over multi-GB downloads, PC or consoles (most recent console is a PS2, I'm more of a PC gamer)
Some of my Nintendo Switch console game downloads:
15.6 gb - Zelda, breath of the wild
14.5 gb - Skyrim
17.3 gb - SouthPark, the fractured but whole
21.3 gb - Doom
12.1 gb - Wasteland 2
13.7 gb - Wolfenstein 2
12.8 gb - Hydrule warriors
One doesn't even need a computer to overshoot 15gb, or nearly so.
Even Fallout 4 at 37.6 gb from Steam is about 250% of their limit.
Netflix will be part of their concern (Score:2)
I'd agree with you on the games downloads and even playing of certain games, but I think you'll find they consider Netflix in the same group as Spotify. Netflix is operating outside of their control while also impacting on them.
Well if they're going to do that... (Score:5, Insightful)
But back in reality it's just a stupid, ill thought out tax. People using Netflix or another streaming service, or downloading games are the ones who'll be hit by this. If I were a Netflix / Amazon / Hulu subscriber and I though I was going to be taxed for using a legal service that I already paid for, I might be strongly inclined to just cut out the middle-man and pirate stuff from source.
Extortion is not the answer. (Score:3)
However, SCGC doesn't see the problem and believes that 15 gigabytes are enough. ... Those who go over the cap are likely streaming not properly compensated videos.
Or... Amazon Prime or Netflix. If you think those sources do not properly compensate you, negotiate with them, don't extort the entire Internet base.
Assumption of Guilt (Score:3)
Or, if you used more than 15GB/mo, maybe you just downloaded Monster Hunter World (19.5GB), or Overwatch (15.7GB), or Rise of the Tomb Raider (22 GB), or Destiny 2 (80.3GB), like I did this past week.
Jesus, what's that. 137.5 GB. I don't stream music, I don't have a spotify account, any music I download is paid for on itunes or amazon or whatever web store is cheapest that day.
This is blank media tax all over again. Idiots.
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Dirty liars (Score:3)
So we think because the FANG companies will not give us access to the numbers that they have, we have to apply a broad-based levy. They're forcing us to.
If you can create a levy on ISPs, you can create a levy on FANG companies. That they don't want to give you the numbers today doesn't matter if it becomes law. This is just a fake play to create outrage that no we can't have bandwidth taxes so we have to pick the other half of the false dilemma.
Games... OS updates... etc... (Score:2)
I download more than 15GB/month in game patches for a variety of games across 4 computers and a playstation 4...
Xbox One? (Score:2)
Re: Xbox One? (Score:2)
Be grateful you're not using Gentoo.
Silence criminal scum! (Score:2)
Ummm. (Score:3)
So coders (downloading and running a full gentoo environment for kernel or glibc development work) and physicists (downloading the five parameters needed for the 3D positions of 1.693 billion stars) are expected to pay music royalties?
I've heard of the music of the spheres, but Canada had better be able to produce solid proof the score is encoded in the galactic position.
I have no issue with rightful payment for rightful dues. But to demand a ransom from the innocent to pay for the follies of the guilty, a reverse Robin Hood, that gets me annoyed.
Claim the silver from those that owe and leave free software and galactic explorers alone.
"Missed revenue" (Score:2)
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Spotify, Youtube, Netflix? (Score:2)
wee little verb (Score:2)
So much for amateur astronomy. Seriously, serious people should collect a tax whenever a proposal this stupid is taken seriously.
I foresee bad karma by the metric firkinton for these Halloween wet-wipe razor blades.
you don't say (Score:2)
In my experience, hardly any machine learning courses have an upbeat backing track.
Worst case scenario: because under this proposal I would have effectively already paid for the music, they might add one.
Just charge the streaming services more... (Score:2)
Ok so the creators of this music are upset that they get less money when their music is played on a streaming service than they do when their music is played via more traditional means. The answer then is to increase the royalties streaming services have to pay for using this music to the same level as for traditional means of distributing content.
Music publishers get the money they used to get before streaming exists and consumers aren't hit with some big new tax.
Alternative strategy (Score:2)
This is such total bullshit. If they're going for a legislative solution, why not pass a law requiring online streaming companies to open their books and share details of what they're streaming? That would solve what they claim is the real problem (lack of information) without imposing a new tax. But of course that's not what they really want. They want a nice guaranteed reve
Oh look, it's THIS bullshit again (Score:2)
If they can't negotiate better royalty deals for music then fuck 'em, they suck and they get what they deserve. No doing an end-run around the negotiation process and fucking us with an 'internet tax'.
No more piracy claims? (Score:2)
Here's an idea (Score:2)
Make your stuff worth buying. The only music that I've bought has been from the independent artists which aren't represented by these idiots. Any TV or movies are foreign series because the quality is much higher.
I use between 100GB and 200GB a month and none of it is from streaming music, TV, or movies.
Like other have said, if the streaming services aren't paying enough (supposedly) then don't go after your customers, go after the streaming services.
So get your royalties (Score:3)
"[W]hen you're downloading and consuming over 15 gigabytes of data a month, you're likely streaming Spotify. You're likely streaming YouTube. You're likely streaming Netflix"
So what... Are they not collecting royalties from Spotify, YouTube, and Netflix? If not, why is that the problem of consumers? Contact Spotify, YouTube, and Netflix and sort it out there.
Comparison to CD tax, this is different. (Score:2)
So the CD tax sort of made sense given the primary purpose of a blank CD was used for piracy. In a way this is like Bittorrent. Sure there are legimiate uses for bittorrent but ultimately the illegitimate use has completely swamped the legitimate uses.
The internet on the other hand isn't like that at all. Netflix and Youtube represent 50% of internet traffic together. Throw in Pornhub, xhamster, and actual HTTP traffic and you're closer to 75%. Hulu and other streaming services add a few percent here and th
Re: This is complete bullshit (Score:5, Insightful)
And it's not all about you, either. The issue is that it is a precedent. If this were to go through, guess who is next up because, you know, the Canadians did it, so we should, too.
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While it may be true in this particular instance, simplistic thinking of that nature is a dangerous way too approach politics. Sometimes new agencies and government programs can be a good thing, even enough to justify the taxation to run them.
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I thought it was the broken government's attempt to get Canadians to stop endlessly watching mockery videos of their idiotic PM.
Like that one of him walking up the steps of his jet with toilet paper hanging off his show? What a knob!
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The right support civil asset forfeiture, the right is by far more strongly supportive of stripping 4th amendment rights,...
The only element of the right which supports these things is the police lobby, which is why such a yawning airgap has recently appeared between cops and real conservatives. Exhibit A in the right-wing critique of the police viewpoint is their assertion that without civil forfeiture they would no longer have enough money for all that paramilitary gear they hide behind while gunning down people at random and never being prosecuted for it.
No, they wouldn't have enough money if they lost civil forfeiture, and t
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Actions speak louder then words. Has the Republican Congress tried to fix the civil forfeiture thing? How about the President through executive power?
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Democracy is supposed to be about compromise, but America seems to be about sticking it to the other side lately, something that can't end good.
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In the 21st century, democracy usually means representative democracies, which include Constitutional Republics where you vote in representatives such as America.
And of course, tyranny whether it is the tyranny of the majority or tyranny of the minority, is bad and where the idea of compromise could limit the tyranny.
And while, for example, you have the right to speak your mind, there are still limits. No amplifying your words to cause physical damage to others, this is usually extended to noise bylaws wher
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We of the dark side brought this up with Trump when he appointed Jeff Sessions, a civil forfeiture supporter, as AG. That was when we discovered that Trump did not understand what forfeiture was.
And no, though Obama did know what civil forfeiture was, he did nothing about it in his terms.
One reason why I was a Johnson voter.
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If I was an American, I couldn't imagine voting for either of the main candidates. I found it depressing that there weren't more 3rd party votes.
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Actions speak louder then words. Has the Republican Congress tried to fix the civil forfeiture thing? How about the President through executive power?
Did a Democrat congress try to fix it? How about a Democrat president? After all, actions speak louder than words...
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They're all Americans and none of them seem to be interested in fixing such a way to get around due process.
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Obama is not in power and the post I replied to claimed that Republicans (excepting the police) are against civil forfeiture.
Just because Obama was a huge disappointment doesn't mean everyone has to disappoint.
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Another issue, the military gear comes from a Pentagon surplus program. They receive it for only the cost of shipping. Civil asset forfeiture money would
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Was facts and due process used for Hillary or was she just judged in the court of public opinion? It's not like there were numerous investigations into her, yet the new Supreme Court Justice was screaming about the Clinton crime family.
43% of Republicans support censoring the news and many are in favour of forcing private companies to post stuff they don't agree with.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Repu... [duckduckgo.com]
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Re: It was to be expected (Score:2)
Europe has saved your arse so many times when it comes to the Internet, and there would have been no new copyright law there if it weren't for America rejecting data protection, abandoning net neutrality and supporting the RIAA/MPAA in their efforts to terrorize young children in other countries.
And our healthcare remains superior.
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Actually, it has been in the U.S. for a long time.
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Actually, it hasn't. There is no Internet Tax that goes to the Music industry.
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They actually have a quantifiable lack of gains. They're not complaining about pirates, they are complaining that they don't like *the deal they made* with streaming services.
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So what am I saying? Netflix stream, perfectly legal, can exceed 10 GB/day without trouble.
That's their point. They don't think netflix et al are paying them enough so they want everyone using the internet to cough up what they think should be the difference. You can go way past 15gb a month without even touching any streaming services quite easily these days.