Former South Korean President Sentenced To 15 Years In Prison For Accepting $5.4 Million In Bribes From Samsung (npr.org) 152
South Korea's former president, Lee Myung-bak, was sentenced Friday to 15 years in prison for bribery and embezzlement. He will also have to pay $11.5 million in fines. NPR reports: Lee is the second South Korean leader convicted this year of charges of corruption and the fourth former president to be arrested for corruption since the 1990s. Prior to entering politics, Lee had been an executive at Hyundai and campaigned on a promise to help South Korea's economy grow. Lee served as president of South Korea from 2008 until 2013. A court ruled Friday that before and during his presidency Lee accepted $5.4 million in bribes from Samsung, South Korea's largest conglomerate.
In exchange, Lee had granted a presidential pardon to Lee Kun-hee, Samsung's chairman, who had been convicted of embezzlement and tax evasion. The conviction had forced Lee Kun-hee to resign from Samsung in 2008; he returned to work at the company shortly after receiving the presidential pardon. The court also found that former president Lee disguised his ownership of a lucrative auto-parts maker under the names of his relatives and embezzled 24 billion Korean won from the company, according to The New York Times. Samsung later offered to pay legal fees for a court case involving the auto-parts company. Lee, who did not appear in court on Friday, denied the charges. "During the hearings, he shifted the blame to his aides, accusing them of committing the crimes for their own profit and conspiring against him," Judge Chung Kae-seon said on Friday, according to The Times.
In exchange, Lee had granted a presidential pardon to Lee Kun-hee, Samsung's chairman, who had been convicted of embezzlement and tax evasion. The conviction had forced Lee Kun-hee to resign from Samsung in 2008; he returned to work at the company shortly after receiving the presidential pardon. The court also found that former president Lee disguised his ownership of a lucrative auto-parts maker under the names of his relatives and embezzled 24 billion Korean won from the company, according to The New York Times. Samsung later offered to pay legal fees for a court case involving the auto-parts company. Lee, who did not appear in court on Friday, denied the charges. "During the hearings, he shifted the blame to his aides, accusing them of committing the crimes for their own profit and conspiring against him," Judge Chung Kae-seon said on Friday, according to The Times.
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Trump next. What goes around, comes around.
You are going to feel very foolish ... well, you'll probably edit this out of your memory after some number of years ...
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Yeah, edit this [dailykos.com] out of your memory, good luck.
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A 'why Donald Trump must go to prison' link from DailyKos.
Hmm. I didn't even have to click it. A mouseover was enough.
I imagine the reek of urine on that site must be overwhelming today. No, I'm not going to check for myself.
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Why should Trump not go to prison if he is a criminal? Is Trump above the law, like a king?
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Why should Trump not go to prison if he is a criminal? Is Trump above the law, like a king?
Because he's not a criminal.
You are just fantasizing about making your political opposition criminal. The only countries that actually do that are full on dictatorships and various banana republics.
None of this stuff you lust for is going to happen.
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Why should Trump not go to prison if he is a criminal? Is Trump above the law, like a king?
Because he's not a criminal.
We must agree to disagree. Meanwhile, Mueller and others already know with certainty.
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You are just fantasizing about making your political opposition criminal.
The truth is, Trump and his followers have done a lot of that in the last several years, too. All the 'Lock her up' chants at rallies, etc.
It's banana republics that lock up the 'opposition' after the election is over. Thank goodness that impulse on the part of Trump's group has been toned down.
It's good trolling bait, however.
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Thats what worries me. The evidence that Trump had engaged in money laundering and tax evasion is absolutely compelling, but unlike plucky South Korea, who took down its *own president* AND its beheaded its most iconic multinational to battle corruption , I don't trust washington to do this right.
After the Bush regime, the evidence to put away Cheney and others for a whole host of incredibly serious corruption allegations didn't mean shit because the govt declined to investigate. In the annals of history
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Best case Trump impeached and then promtly pardoned by Mike Pence.
There are way better best cases. For example, Trump and Pence tossed out in 2020, Trump promptly indicted for tax fraud, conspiracy, you name it. Ends up with $3 billion bill for back taxes plus penalties, and a federal hotel.
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The problem is, unless Mueller knows something we dont (and thats quite plausible). there isnt much evidence Pence knew much of whatever was going on regarding the financing and possibly foreign collaboration in the campaign. I mean he might have, but I get the feeling this is mostly about Trump and his inner circle. And since Pence is next in line in the case of the president being removed, he'll be made president and in a position to just pardon the shit out of things. Hell even if Pence goes down, theres
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2020 is the year of the next presidential election. When Trump goes, Pence goes. No pardon power. Bang, arrested.
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I know you think that Ivan. For your homework, try to understand that this alone [nytimes.com] is enough to put him away, never mind the conspiracy, treason, money laundry and rape.
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Claims are not evidence.
Give me a break. Manafort is sitting in prison right now, there's your evidence. As if you didn't know.
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Yeah, Manafort is sitting in prison...for things he committed while working for the democrats, the podesta brothers, and acting as a foreign agent on their behalf.
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You talking out your ass does not change the fact that Manafort is Mueller's bitch now. Cohen too, and Allen Weisselberg [cnbc.com] too.
Trump is the walking dead, you know it.
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"Facts" are me talking out my ass? Well I shouldn't be surprised, after all, you your view facts is 'only what people tell me is the truth.
Trump is the walking dead, you know it.
Really? Too bad you don't even know the law, imagine that.
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Tell it to your rapist friends.
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Tell it to your rapist friends.
And the progressive "I don't care that it's a lie." line rolls on. Up next, we'll see use of sexist, racist, homophobic, transphobic, misogynist, and so-on as the person loses anything approaching rationality.
How pitiful, that this is all progressives have left.
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Kavanaugh blubbering on TV about his high school calendar for crying out loud, with his daddy sitting right behind him. These images etched into the internet forever. You guys bought this snowflake, now you own him.
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How dare he be mad
Blubbering about his calendar for crying out loud. You bought this snivelling belly crawling embarrassment, you own him.
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Da komrade, winning if you are Russian.
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You heard it here first: Judges holding to constitutionalism are russian.
What are you going to do if the democrats lose it all during the fall election? Blame the russians as well, or realize that they've managed to turn just about everybody against them by their own actions. So much for that "double generic" lead, which became a "single generic" lead, which is now "trending republican."
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This guy holds to the constitution exactly as a biggot holds to the flag [samueljohnson.com]
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Tax fraud is a felony, as is money laundering. And it seems you aren't clear on the what high crimes and misdemeanors means, with respect to the office of the presidency. Let me help you: it is whatever Congress says it is.
Call them campaign donations! (Score:5, Informative)
This guy was clearly an amateur. He should have looked to western politicians if he wants to see how to legally receive large bribes from corporations. All he need do is call them campaign donations and everything becomes perfectly acceptable and aboveboard.
It is good to see corruption in politics being punished for once. In the US you can hold a Senate hearing for Facebook where 46 of the 55 committee members [slashdot.org] have been paid off by Facebook in advance and nobody even bats an eyelid.
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I could be wrong but South Korea is one the modern democracies where the government allocates campaign funds to each candidates to prevent politicians from being bribed and/or corrupted by money
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The whole problem with hookers is that the opposition can offer them more money.
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Everybody knows Trump had a one-night-stand with the pornstar.
Incidentally, the pornstar's lawyer is who blew the Kavanaugh issue for the dems. Dude dragged out really stinky contrived 'evidence' against the judge and discredited the case against Kavan with the public at the same time as he hardened Kavan's supporters.
The whole 'hooker' deal is a non-issue. Everybody knows Trump is Horndog II, but we all accepted Horndog I and his enabling wife, the Rodham chick.
and of samsung? (Score:4, Insightful)
I can certainly understand that our political leaders shouldn't take bribes. Obviously that's bad.
But even more obviously, I can understand a human being having a great deal of trouble turning down millions of bribery dollars for favours that don't kill anybody.
You'll never get, even honest people to stop taking casual bribes. it's millions of dollars vs a rubber stamp. Everyone has their price.
I'm happy with a small jail term (I think 15 years is 14 years too many) and forfeiting the money with interest.
But what of Samsung? Shouldn't we be making it detrimental to offer bribes in the first place? I'd be happy with samsung being straight-up denied for any government application/request of any kind for one year per million dollars of bribery, plus a payment of double the bribe amount to local taxes.
In this case, with 5 million dollars in bribery, that would mean taxing samsung 10 million dollars and denying every government request (building application, tax exemption, valuation assessment) for the next 5 years.
I call it my sit-down-and-shut-up-for-a-while punishment.
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Right, damn them to hell! They should all be forced to carry iPhones.
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Yes. Up their asses.
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That's the best way to use an iPhone in my opinion. Each one personally tested by Tim Cook.
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Now that's just mean. Funny, but mean.
I seem to have reached my Slashdot quota of friends, or I would add you.
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Not all gay men are into anal. I know one who has has publicly stated that it was a one way channel for him.
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But we're not talking about all gay men, we're talking about Tim Cook. And you have to admit, Tim Cook definitely comes across as the kind that likes a little Prince Albert in the can, if you catch my drift.
Re:and of samsung? (Score:5, Interesting)
But what of Samsung?
Several top board members including the CEO were already arrested, their trials are forthcoming. The case against park was proving that she took bribes. Now that it's been proven and she's been impeached the cases against the CEO and board members go forward. Those are in relation that they paid her bribes and embezzled money from the company to do so. This really isn't covered in western media in the least. The legal system works in kind of a top-down approach with high profile figures and then goes after everyone. If you need another example read up on Hyandai Motor Co, which was fined $80m(USD), they also went after every single person that approved it.
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I can certainly understand that our political leaders shouldn't take bribes. Obviously that's bad.
But even more obviously, I can understand a human being having a great deal of trouble turning down millions of bribery dollars for favours that don't kill anybody.
You'll never get, even honest people to stop taking casual bribes
Please, for the love of God, stop defending corruption and try visting less corrupt countries. You will get people stop taking casual bribes. There will be a few sociopaths still doing corruption, but you don't see it being commonplace.
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How about reversing what he was bribed for? Undo the pardon and put the chairman (if he still is the chairman) back in jail to serve out his sentence. If the bribe was to get a sell something then at the very least all money is refunded.
As for punishment of Samsung I'd also want to have the people responsible for the bribe (for example, was it the board that wanted the chairman back?) sent to jail. Fining them or the company won't make them think twice about doing it again.
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I'm happy with a small jail term (I think 15 years is 14 years too many) and forfeiting the money with interest.
AND with the result of the bribe revoked. That happened in Spain when property developers paid bribes to whoever was in power to get planning permission to build homes, then the government changed and the next people in power revoked those permissions - after homes were built, which meant a lot were torn down.
In this case, revoke the presidential pardon for the Samsung executive, and let the jail sentence start fresh, with no possibility for parole.
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Can't believe that I had to scroll through 80% of the posts before finding one that wasn't off-topic. Thank you!
all leaders are exiled, killed or in prison. (Score:1)
From my understanding, every S. Korean leader has either been exiled, killed or placed in prison for corruption since 1950. Either their democracy is working really well, where the courts actually act on corruption, or there's a clear legitimacy problem where despite elections corrupt leaders are almost always elected.
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That's totally false, completely bogus characterization. Why don't you check your sources before you spout off nonsense like this? Some S. Korean leaders commit suicide [wikipedia.org].
Ignorant prick.
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It's a cultural issue there. I say this from six years of personal observation. Bribery is commonplace among nearly all government officials. If you want to get something done at a government office, you can expect to have to pay some cash in addition to the actual fees if you want to get what you're after in any kind of reasonable time. FWIW, I'm not biased against the people...I married one of them.
What's being done to Samsung? (Score:1)
So what penalties are Samsung facing?
No problem (Score:2)
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Whipslash and EditorDavid are the site owners. The others are volunteer lackies whose positions and rep don't matter. When they're selling adspace on Slashdot, the grownups answer the phone.
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So your theory is, Trump reports his Russian mobster income on his income tax, whereas he never even reported his estate tax? Gotcha.
And the Times did you publish Trump's taxes for the last 50 years, you pulled that out of your infected ass.
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Hi Ivan, for high crimes and misdemeanors. [wikipedia.org]
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These days, you can't walk 10 feet in any direction without out running into evidence of Trump crime family high crimes and misdemeanors. You might be willing to tolerate that in your country, can't speak for you. Mainly because I'd need to disinfect my mouth after.
You do know that Trump's personal lawyer just turned state's witness and his campaign chairman is in jail, right? And that's just the beginning of it. It is said that Trump's longtime CFO has been singing like a bird for months. And again, that's
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If it's so easy to find evidence why don't you list some?
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If it's so easy to find evidence why don't you list some?
It's a witch hunters wet dream. Lots of "they're a witch, can we burn her?" "What for?" "they turned me into a newt." "A newt?" "I got better..." line of reasoning.
They have no evidence, not even circumstantial evidence of guilt. They have hearsay, uncorroborated statements, witnesses who have a history of actions that devalue any statements they make. There's not even basic general knowledge statements that they can give which can be corroborated by people. Nothing has been to court, nothing has been
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They have no evidence, not even circumstantial evidence of guilt. They have hearsay, uncorroborated statements, witnesses who have a history of actions that devalue any statements they make. There's not even basic general knowledge statements that they can give which can be corroborated by people. Nothing has been to court, nothing has been tried on fact or law. There's been no verdicts rendered...
I'm sure that Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, Michael Cohen, Michael Flynn, and George Papadopoulos [theguardian.com] will all be quite relieved when you inform them of this.
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There's this famous saying that anybody can be investigated and found guilty of a felony with a few hours work.
So obviously with the vigorous witch hunt of an 'independent counsel' all sorts of crimes can be tracked down. It worked with both the Clinton and the Trump administrations. All sorts of petty graft and crime can be uncovered, particularly if the bounds of investigation are left wide open so that irrelevant side cases can be swept into the net.
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I'm sure that Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, Michael Cohen, Michael Flynn, and George Papadopoulos will all be quite relieved when you inform them of this.
Guardian really has gone to even worse shit in the last year, that's pretty sad. You've got them making connections using angel pasta and it's about as strong. Well if it wasn't thanksgiving weekend I'd sit down and rip it into small pieces for your enjoyment. In short, manafort was convicted of things while working for democrats, and as an agent of the podesta brothers(that's the democrats again). Cohen was charged for doing the same thing rosie o'donnel did, just to give you an idea(also Obama did the s
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98% doesn't really constitute a 'conspiracy.'
That's more a matter of loony delusion. Hi loon!
Here you go (Score:2)
There's also numerous emoluments clause violations that are so blatant that the question isn't "Is he guilty" it's "have be abandoned the rule of law". You can google them, it's not hard.
As for Trump himself, that's coming. We're taking down the most powerful man on earth. One who gave billions of dollars to the 1% who would like very much for that gravy train to continue. You can't just throw together a case overnight. He'll ignore the impeachment and the current SCOTUS will let it slide.
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Your a great standup comedian, with +12 Democratic right now, that is before the rapist judge bump.
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That's funny, because the last NPR poll was holding at +7. And nate silver's aggregate is holding around 80% that the republicans will hold the house and senate with 55% gaining more seats. That was before the liars that couldn't figure out where they were raped. And the other liar who said there were rapes, and went back 10 other times...apparently knowingly that it was happening. Oh, and she was a collage jr., at the time.
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You're going to have to do a lot better than, "I did NOT break both my legs, I only broke one! So I can walk just fine!" :-)
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You're going to have to do a lot better than, "I did NOT break both my legs, I only broke one! So I can walk just fine!" :-)
You're going to have to do far better then a witness that claims they saw gangrapes(felony), didn't report it(felony), went back multiple times(conspiracy), and did so as an adult in a house full of minors apparently(got several felonies on that one - especially since she claimed she was screwing people there).
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Not really. The macro pops up a dialogue with the first sentence all pre-entered, then beeps at the human attendant (paid $0.20 for each message entered) who tacks on some 'flavor' text and clicks 'post.'
Yeah but with the electoral college & senate (Score:3)
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Good point. Now Trump put an unrepentant rapist on the supreme court. I'm sure that's going to help with 60% of red state women who believe the victim. And surely you know that not everyone in a red state is beer swilling trailer trash.
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Reasonable people hold reasonable doubts, in turn expect evidence. That means they expect proof, and those "red state women" aren't showing up in droves for the democrats, in fact it's actually backfired. The whole "believe women" sham makes them look at their own husbands and sons and go...what the fuck are the democrats doing?! That could be MY husband or son.
Democrats overplayed their hand, so much so that they're already panicking and telling pundits to not harp on this "believe women" stuff. Seems
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There is no doubt in my mind that Trump's rapist judge is an angry drunk.
Re:Yeah but with the electoral college & senat (Score:5, Insightful)
There is no doubt in my mind that Trump's rapist judge is an angry drunk.
Yeah well that happens when you think that hearsay is proof. Want to "listen and believe" by all means, to anyone who believes in the rule of law, standards of evidence, and so on? You just look unhinged and reminds everyone the dangers of the witch hunts of yore.
That simply makes you far more dangerous, because you don't care about evidence. Only what someone dangles in front of you for proof. Bet you would have loved the witch trials too, if she floats she's a witch. If she sinks, god's with her and will forgive us. Maybe next, you'll engage in the recitation of orthodoxy to prove that they're a pure soul.
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I am entitled to my opinion. My opinion is that Kavanaugh is an angry abusive drunk, no question in my mind whatsoever. After all, the angry abusive part is a matter of public record. The drunk part is credibly reported to my satisfaction. I think there is a better than even chance that he is also a rapist, but that is just a suspicion. Likewise, it is probable that he has a gambling problem, and that he receives financial support from secret donors. And I suspect that you are an incel. You are certainly an
Re:Yeah but with the electoral college & senat (Score:4, Insightful)
So you entire opinion is based on things that nobody can prove. Can provide no evidence for, can show no dates of, not a single police report of. A fine upstanding example of a person who's part of a mob and let's their emotions rule instead of their intelligence and reason.
And I suspect that you are an incel. You are certainly an apologist for an angry drunk who lacks the temperament to sit on the bench, supreme court of any other.
And there's the progressive/democrat garbage right on queueueueuueeue. When losing, engage in personal attacks, attacks against reputation, slander and with a hope and prayer it will stick. Hate to tell you this, but this stuff is burned out. I sure hope you enjoy the future you're now creating though.
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So you entire opinion is based on things that nobody can prove.
You're full of crap. Major parts of it are a matter of public record. The rest requires connecting some big fat dots. I suppose you think that the investigation of Kavanaugh will just stop now that Trump's whitewash is done. News for you.
Now you need your daily boof. Just go ahead, I won't think badly of you. Oh sorry, that time I lied.
Re:Yeah but with the electoral college & senat (Score:4, Insightful)
You're full of crap. Major parts of it are a matter of public record. The rest requires connecting some big fat dots
Funny how those "major parts of it are public record" don't show any sign of actual wrong doing isn't it.
Now you need your daily boof. Just go ahead, I won't think badly of you. Oh sorry, that time I lied.
Proving again that the left can't meme. Christ, why is all the crap you try so pathetic.
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I am entitled to my opinion. My opinion is that Kavanaugh is an angry abusive drunk, no question in my mind whatsoever.
This is the problem. They have gotten you to make a determination based on "how you feel", rather than "what you know". They tell you a story that you can connect to personal events in your own life, and whammo, it must be "true"!
Dangerous. This allows anyone willing to provide false witness the ability to sell any situation they want, and change anything they want in their favor. Facts matter for a reason.
He said/she said arguments are among the most difficult things we have to deal with. Both sides might
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By the way, did you notice how Kavanaugh's face is crooked? I mean, it actually is. Look at a photo directly from the front, his eyes and the whole top of his head are five degrees rotated to his left. Just creepy.
I mean, if he wasn't an angry abusive wildly partisan drunk with a closet full of skeletons I would just overlook that. But he is all of that, so now that I shared this, you won't be able to unsee it. Check it out, it's true.
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Hey did you notice how his accusers looked like they'd spent years hanging out in the sun? Know what that's from? Decades of substance abuse, pill popping tied with drinking alcohol.
I mean that just looks great. It also just looks great, with all those paid protesters accosting politicians in elevators, and then people finding out that they're all paid by the same organization. The left has no shortage of useful idiots.
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I didn't notice that, but I did notice that Kavanaugh has an unusual number of blemishes on the right side of his crooked face, to the extent that he always tries to show his left profile. Like, something ugly in there wants out. See what I mean? [gannett-cdn.com] This also shows how his mouth is twisted one way and his eyes are twisted the other.
I mean, if this was just anybody I wouldn't notice. But this is a deeply evil man. With a twisted face. Much like you I expect.
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Yeah, those "blemishes" are from this thing called puberty. But you're calling someone a "deeply evil man" for facial features...yep, you really are engaging in a witch hunt.
How pitifully disgusting you are. Your entire basis of belief is based on superficial things, and not the content of character. Which shouldn't be a surprise considering how hard progressives love identity politics. Those pro-segregation stances you're holding are sure good too.
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those "blemishes" are from this thing called puberty.
It looks worse than that, like a disease. And you see how twisted his face is, right? Like a car ran over it or something. Mouth twisted one way, eyes twisted the other.
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I didn't notice that, but I did notice
"I know you are, but what am I!"
Just give it up, dude.
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Yeah, those "blemishes" are from this thing called puberty.
Yeah, right, never saw zits like that. They look more like pre-cancerous things. And just on one side of his face. And his whole face is bent, mouth twisted one way and eyes twisted the other. I mean, normally you'd just quickly forget such things, but this is your angry, lying, abusive, drunken, partisan, gambling addict judge here.
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Yeah, right, never saw zits like that. They look more like pre-cancerous things. And just on one side of his face. And his whole face is bent, mouth twisted one way and eyes twisted the other. I mean, normally you'd just quickly forget such things, but this is your angry, lying, abusive, drunken, partisan, gambling addict judge here.
Except they're not zits. They're a type of pockmark, you know something that was very common on people prior to say 1990. Maybe you should go look at some other pictures instead of the ones presented in media articles? Give you a hint, as to why publications use pictures like that. It's to make you think exactly as you have, react exactly like you have.
But if we're going to go with unbridled allegations, I'm sure you can explain your wife beating and child rapes. ...Right?
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Except they're not zits. They're a type of pockmark
Pockmarks if you like, pockmarks that look like pre-cancer. And on only one side of his face, the side he always tries to turn away from the camera. And then his whole skull seems to be bent, so his mouth is twisted one way and his eyes are twisted the other. Just a very creepy face if you happen to look at it.
I guess, Kavanaugh's mind is also twisted and has per-cancerous pockmarks. Your guy.
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There is no doubt in my mind
There's no room for doubt in such a tiny mind.
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Good point. Now Trump put an unrepentant rapist on the supreme court.
Trump put a man on the supreme court who was and still is accused of rape, before the accusations went to a court, and before the were refuted.
Obviously you wouldn't want a rapist in that position. I also wouldn't want one in that position who hasn't been found at least "more likely to be innocent".
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I wish they would hold the same candle to TRUMP. He has accept many billion of dollars direct from KGB (Kremlin and Putin's secret organization) - we MUST investigate TRUMP and find these fatal flaws to impeach. Who. Is. With. Me.
60% of the USA is with you. But indicting Trump will be more practical than impeaching, given the unlikely possibility of 60% ethical/moral senators before 2020. On the other hand, indicting Trump would only require indicting Kavanaugh first, for perjury. Looks like the more direct path.
Another realistic approach is, just contain Trump until 2020, then vote him out and immediately arrest. Don Jr can go to jail before that.
When your toilet paper has a piece of shit stuck to it. [twimg.com]