FCC Says Net Neutrality Rules Will End On June 11 (reuters.com) 103
The Federal Communications Commission said in a notice Thursday that landmark 2015 U.S. open-internet rules will cease on June 11. From a report: The FCC in December repealed the Obama-era "net neutrality" rules, allowing internet providers to block or slow websites as long as they disclose the practice. The FCC said the new rules will take effect 30 days from Friday. An FCC spokeswoman confirmed the new rules will take effect on June 11. A group of states and others have sued to try to block the new rules from taking effect. The revised rules were a win for internet service providers like AT&T and Comcast but are opposed by internet firms like Facebook and Alphabet.
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Fortunately, the telecom industry has a rich history of operating as a healthy open, transparent market. Your hope is well placed and you seem to be very familiar with how the industry has acted and operated in the past.
*rolls eyes*
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What a terrible point. Google and Facebook are for these rules, but they are lousy with user data, so therefore the telecom industry has traditionally responsibly self-governed their market and can be trusted to continue to do so? That's your point?
Google and Facebook have nothing to do with my point that the telecom industry moves to market monopolies (historically and for good reason) in an industry in which the products and services make it tantalizingly easy to engage in anti-competitive behavior.
Hell,
Not this shit again (Score:1)
Do you really think Google and Facebook
Take this fucking logical fallacy and shove it so far up your ass, that it re-materializes in your brain and forces you to re-evaluate it.
Absolutely nothing is forcing you to use Google or Facebook. They may abuse their positions in the industry, but you can still choose not to patronize their services. Also, anyone can easily register a domain and start their own search engine or social media business. It's not quite so easy to start a broadband ISP.
Many Americans (myself included) have one choice of la
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It's precious that you think the ISPs aren't collecting, indexing, and selling to the highest bidder any and all metadata they can harvest about what you are passing through their network.
Your argument is completely invalidated by the fact that the ISPs are not only doing exactly what Google / Facebook are doing (less now that HTTPS is in use everywhere, but they can still get metadata), they are making you pay them for the privilege and then asking for more.
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And that in a nutshell is the problem with deregulation.
You are left hoping that companies don't act like assholes, when then regulation was there to prevent it in the first place.
The market can't and won't solve this problem, because all of the power lies with the companies who will basically do whatever makes them the most money.
There is no such thing as a free market, and ther
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Enjoy your "Oh, you want to look at YouTube instead of our preferred video partner site? Sure, that's just an extra $10.95 a month."
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These rules classified an ISP to be regulated with Title 2 with exceptions (which probably won't stand up against the first lawsuit as the law says those exceptions do not exist for that classification). Nothing about them were related to "Net Neutrality". Why is Title 2 the answer?
How can TV do what you are saying with HBO even though TV falls under Title 2?
How does the NN rules being repealed stop things like "HBO/Youtube package Title 2 internet"?
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You do not have a 'Liberal' political party. The Democrat Party is centre-right when compared to the rest of the West.
The Republican's are well to the Right.
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The states can pass laws to prevent this...
Please remember the 10th amendment.
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The problem is that most people referencing the 10th Amendment already have a Confederate flag flying over their house (plantation and white suit optional).
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Enjoy your "Oh, you want to look at YouTube instead of our preferred video partner site? Sure, that's just an extra $10.95 a month."
In all seriousness, you don't think that will end up right back in the Supreme Court due to class action lawsuit?
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Enjoy your "Oh, you want to look at YouTube instead of our preferred video partner site? Sure, that's just an extra $10.95 a month."
In all seriousness, you don't think that will end up right back in the Supreme Court due to class action lawsuit?
Oh, I'd love to see that--especially if the suit were successful. But I don't see it being successful, alas, since this SCOTUS is essentially the same one that gave us that horrid Citizens United decision.
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Oh, I'd love to see that--especially if the suit were successful. But I don't see it being successful, alas, since this SCOTUS is essentially the same one that gave us that horrid Citizens United decision.
You might actually. It depends on if Supreme Court Justice seats are appointed during the current administration. I know Trump's not the nicest guy but he is a populist president and whether you want to admit it or not that means he is regularly giving the US Chamber of Commerce and their sponsored Super PACs the finger in a lot of cases. That is in stark contrast to the past 30-40 years where politicians were exclusively bought off and marionettes dancing on puppet strings. Sometimes I wonder if some o
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Umm, that is the purpose of gov't, to ensure the public good.
ISPs are the railroad or lumber barons of the 21st century.
If you think the collusion between ISPs is bad now, just wait.
Re:Finally (Score:5, Insightful)
Can't happen soon enough. This was a great call. Get government out of regulating business.
Just remember when you're paying more, for less Internet access, that this is what you wanted.
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Because that is always how it works, right?
"Oh, I see now the error of my ways! I was so shortsighted and now the scales are lifted from my eyes!"
I don't think so.
Even if we do end up paying more, for less Internet access, there will be some new (or old) development that will be held up as a scapegoat as to why things didn't turn out in everyone's favor. But it won't be the fault of repealing the regulation.... no, that was the right step, it is just that they damn keep screwing things up!
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Business does a crap job of providing utilities without regulation. All that happens is that the provider ensures that it becomes a monopoly and then sits back on its fat lazy ass and gouges customers.
Yes! I'm an AT&T stockholder. (Score:1, Informative)
The share price is floundering - partly because of Trump's immoral behaviour - and I need that investment to pick up.
I hope they gouge Netflix, Hulu, CBS, and get Time Warner to cut them a break so that my investment will pay off.
If they don't do what everyone is afraid of, I'll be pretty pissed.
That's Capitalism boys!
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You mean like having an Iowa Senator get the taxpayers to subsidize ethanol producers year round [chicagotribune.com]?
6/11: The Internet's day of reckoning. (Score:1)
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Since I am no longer required to treat all packets equally, I have:
-Installed noscript
-Installed uBlock origin
-Installed Pi-Hole
-Installed Restrictive Firewall
-Installed Ad-Free hostfile
I get the message, bandwidth is precious, I am doing my part to help!
Those web pages seem to load much faster!
You forgot privacy badger from EFF.
https://www.eff.org/privacybad... [eff.org]
and running your browser in private mode almost always.
And tossing your cookies and cache every couple days.
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Every couple days?! Pft, make those suckers create a new Ad profile for you on every page load. Block all cookies and caching.
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LOL. Do you really think I'm behind every (or for that matter any) AC post here that's, ahem, less than complimentary to your fine self?
And, no, I'm not *from* Sweden--I do *live* there (when I'm not elsewhere), which is not quite the same thing. And I have never said otherwise.
Hope you continue to enjoy yourself replying to people who've not said anything to you,
--Z.
Can we cancel our Comcast service? (Score:1)
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No. You agreed to let them alter the terms of the deal at any time at their sole discretion. Reread your TOS.
If they say your speed is now 1 kilobit, and your bill is now $1K/month, guess what... you agreed to that.
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Love the way you stand boldly forth and display your valor by posting this as AC.
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There isn't a critical mass of enough people to get this done. I'll doubt there is in your country either.
If any people did want to use violence to achieve their policy goals, you need a decent sized minority to go along with it. Otherwise you're just asking to be shot by a police officer.
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When exactly are you cowards planning on starting to fire guns?
Most of the "cling to their guns" crowd supported the administration which allowed this to happen. They believe that if you make businesses happy by removing regulations, the economy will prosper, and a brand new 4x4 pickup truck will miraculously appear in their driveway.
And they have the nerve to call the left "snowflakes"...
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Re:In other news (Score:4, Insightful)
No, the price remains the same. Wait, you want to view Netflix? That's $2 extra a month. Wait, you want to view it in HD? $5 extra a month. YouTube also? Another $3 extra. You know what? Just subscribe to our Approved Streaming Providers package ($9.99 a month extra for the first 12 months*) where you can watch all you want. Then, when you want to comment on those videos or share them with your friends, you'll want the Approved Social Media Experience ($7.99 a month extra for the first 12 months*).
* Price valid for the first 12 months. Price may increase afterwards. Taxes and fees may apply however the ISP deems they should.
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They might do that. More likely, they will go to Netflix, YouTube and others and say: "you want our customers to be able to stream your video? Then pay us $Millions". Result: Netflix and Youtube Red subscriptions increase in price.
Thank god! (Score:4, Funny)
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I assume you've built you own roads to drive to work? Until you've done that, you may as well STFU and stop being hypocritical.
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About time that ISPs can charge for the right to access information you get through THEIR networks
THIS IS AMERICA -- if you want free information build your own internet you fucking commie liberals
About half of their infrastructure was paid by government subsidies. e.g. My/Our tax dollars. I think that makes 'their' networks half ours.
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Glad we now know your stance on neutrality. What's your name? I want to make sure the reward is delivered appropriately.
Every time a website is slow (Score:1)
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The past is the past (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, there's no way ISP wanting to increase their profits are going to start charging businesses based upon their bandwidth.
Not gonna happen. The big ISPs are going to do what they've always done: increase their revenues by innovation, new infrastructure, and services that people want to buy. Improving their service and customer experience. Why, I'm so exited with my AT&T 1.5 Mbps down/.25Mbps up connection! And XFinity wont' sell me anything until I realize the value of their $200/month package.
It's all for my best interest!
We all know that the ISPs have the consumer's best interests at heart.
I'm gonna to petition the Pope to have all the CEOs at AT&T, Verizon, Comcast turned into Saints.
Bribe (Score:4, Funny)
If I have $600,000 to bribe Trump through his lawyer [cnbc.com], can I get net neutrality reinstated?
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Yes, but you need to have an affair with the president first.
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Not gonna happen. The big ISPs are going to do what they've always done: increase their revenues by innovation, new infrastructure, and services that people want to buy. Improving their service and customer experience.
Comcast is the best at customer service! Check this [jdpower.com] out.
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To be fair, Comcast may very well have the best customer service among major ISPs, which is not so much a testament to Comcast's superior relations as it is to how incredibly shitty customer service is across the industry.
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Mis-read the chart. My eyes jump a line when reading the customer service column. My bad.
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Yeah, there's no way ISP wanting to increase their profits are going to start charging businesses based upon their bandwidth.
Pssst, ISPs already charge businesses based upon their bandwidth. Did you REALLY think that getting a "gig speed" connection to Comcast Business costs the same as getting 100MBps? And do you REALLY think that Net Neutrality has anything to do with charging more for higher bandwidth connections?
And XFinity wont' sell me anything until I realize the value of their $200/month package.
Apparently you really do think that NN has something to do with the pricing of Internet service.
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Yeah, back when isps blocked netflix and bittorrent :/ Guess you forgot about that.
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Yeah, back when isps blocked netflix and bittorrent :/ Guess you forgot about that.
Yes, and they didn't stop until NN came along and...oh, wait...they stopped without any NN regs.
All the horror stories trotted out by NN proponents have a fatal flaw.
All those bad things were stopped before NN was passed, and were halted by the markets and the courts without needing NN.
Strat
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