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Sweden Considers Six Years in Jail For Online Pirates ( 194

Sweden's Minister for Justice has received recommendations as to how the country should punish online pirates. From a report: Helene Fritzon received a proposal which would create crimes of gross infringement under both copyright and trademark law, leading to sentences of up to six years in prison. The changes would also ensure that non-physical property, such as domain names, can be seized.
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Sweden Considers Six Years in Jail For Online Pirates

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  • And how much.... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Sebby ( 238625 ) on Sunday February 18, 2018 @09:07PM (#56149732)
    .... for those that falsely claim copyright infringement on stuff that they don’t own copyright on to begin with?
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Exaxctly. And rapists in Sweden get 2-4 years. Again politicians are bribed by the movie/music industry.

      • by negRo_slim ( 636783 ) <> on Monday February 19, 2018 @12:50AM (#56150452) Homepage

        Exaxctly. And rapists in Sweden get 2-4 years. Again politicians are bribed by the movie/music industry.

        Which is a pretty severe, many of these rapists are new immigrants unaccustomed to Swedish legal and cultural norms and most importantly sexual emergencies are a very real thing and traumatic thing for these newcomers.

        • Obviously Sweden will make an exception for sexual emergencies. They're not barbarians.

        • Exaxctly. And rapists in Sweden get 2-4 years. Again politicians are bribed by the movie/music industry.

          Which is a pretty severe, many of these rapists are new immigrants unaccustomed to Swedish legal and cultural norms and most importantly sexual emergencies are a very real thing and traumatic thing for these newcomers.

          The legal and cultural norms not to rape people? And what the fuck is a sexual emergency?

          • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

            by Cederic ( 9623 )

            A sexual emergency is the defence for raping children.

            Note that despite losing the retrial (see [] ) it's still relevant because his conviction was overturned on the grounds his sexual emergency outweighed the right of a 10 year old to not be fucked by an adult.

          • Re: (Score:2, Offtopic)

            If women walk around with their heads uncovered, it's an invitation to rape them. Remember the Arab Spring and Tarhir Square in Egypt? On the night that Hosni Mubarak stepped down, CBS Reporter Lara Logan was gang-raped by men who were too turned on by her bare head.She wasn't wearing a headscarf, so she was asking for it. Do we not remember this? It was huge, huge news.

            Logan said her clothes were torn off and her muscles were agonizingly stretched as she was separated from her crew and swallowed into t

        • Next thing you know, they'll be banning man-goat relations...
      • Sweden is just worried about the widening imprisoned-to-unimprisoned ratio gap between itself and the US. By throwing every pirate in jail for 6 years, Sweden will soon be able to imprison, what, some 90% of its population into the slammer. Take that, United States!

        Forget the music/movie industry; has anyone checked to see if this woman has connections to the prison industry (Sweden doesn't have privatized prisons but ultimately some businesses have to be involved with the construction and supply of the jai

    • That's actually a good point. A buddy of mine writes songs, puts them on YouTube. Within a week a music company will claim ownership of the song and it gets taken down.
  • Better idea (Score:5, Insightful)

    by alvinrod ( 889928 ) on Sunday February 18, 2018 @09:11PM (#56149750)
    Why not just make them do community service instead? I don't think it's really in the interest of the taxpayers to spend tens of thousands of dollars (or Swedish Krona I suppose) to lock up non-violent individuals who are committing what would be best regarded as civil offenses.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      Indenture would be the best solution for civil offenses.

      • by Cederic ( 9623 )

        As someone that considers indenture slavery, and retains the right to use lethal force to escape slavery, your 'best solution' would lead to people dying.

    • Re:Better idea (Score:5, Insightful)

      by arglebargle_xiv ( 2212710 ) on Sunday February 18, 2018 @10:16PM (#56150002)
      I think they should make the punishment proportional to that for existing crimes. For example leaking private data for your entire population, including sensitive law-enforcement and military data, was penalised by the offender being docked six months pay. So on that scale copyright infringement should attract a fine of 10 Ãre. That's fair.
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by rtb61 ( 674572 )

        Did you not read the article and I quote "Today there is organized online piracy that has major consequences for the whole community", now for that crime, I mean major consequences for the whole community, perhaps the pirates are raiding towns and mass raping women as well, I mean to say they are claiming it has major consequences for the whole community. What other crimes have major consequences for the whole community, seriously 'MAJOR CONSEQUENCES FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY' you just have to capitalise that

        • by houghi ( 78078 )

          perhaps the pirates are raiding towns and mass raping women as well,

          If they just say they do it because they are Vikings instead of pirates, they could get away with it under some law protecting the national heritage of Sweden.

          OTOH, having a party called the Viking Party might make many people think they are Ultra Right Nazis (Center in the USofA).

          • by Anonymous Coward

            Ultra Right Nazis (Center in the USofA)

            So which continent did the actual, literal Nazis come from again? Europeans aren't leftists, they're spineless pussies who will bend over for anyone who stands up straight and raises his voice. That they're currently bending over for Marxist fuckwits is mostly a matter of circumstance.

      • by Z00L00K ( 682162 )

        For a first time offender with murder you can get away with 6 years.

    • Send in a non-violent offender, get back a hardened criminal six years later.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    In neighboring Norway you can get less time in prison for first degree murder.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by aliquis ( 678370 )

      Here to: []

      Afghan man got 1 year and 10 months for knife murder.

      Because he "was 15" when he killed.

      The idiots who believed he was 15 I guess we should have a capital punishment for to save our people from their stupid genes and ideas.

  • Than consuming content from the big distributors... They wont be missing much in jail. :P
  • Pirate Party (Score:3, Interesting)

    by BrookHarty ( 9119 ) on Sunday February 18, 2018 @09:19PM (#56149784) Homepage Journal

    Why do I think this is mostly aimed at stopping the Pirate party. Life in prison in Sweden is 10 year, And proposed for piracy is 6? That sounds pretty political.

    Also, It's not like Sweden would use politics, for let's say, to go after a person so they could try to extradite him to the US for leaking documents. /s

    • Re:Pirate Party (Score:5, Informative)

      by aliquis ( 678370 ) <> on Sunday February 18, 2018 @09:40PM (#56149856) Homepage

      Life-time in prison in Sweden is a prison sentence until further notice.

      After 10 years in prison for a life-sentence you can ask to have them set a time for your punishment. _IF_ they decide on a time sentence instead if can become no shorter than 18 years. It's common practise in Sweden to let people get out conditionally after 2/3 of the time. On average people get a "24" year sentence in jail which mean that given the 2/3 sentence before conditionally release that they will stay in prison on average for 16 years.

      Life in Sweden isn't 10 years. You can't just sit 10 years on a life-time prison sentence in Sweden. You can get it replaced with a time sentence after 10 years of time.

      As for the pirate party it's very much dead and it sadly used to be all about piracy and hardly anything about freedom of speech and transparency and democracy which would be much more important and interesting. Then some homosexual (?) woman got into the leadership of the party and it become some ... at-least in part some sort of refugee possibly pride party. I guess one can't say the left stole the party because it always seemed to be about theft of intellectual party rather than something more interesting. I guess actual freedom of speech and freedom and democracy in general would be more of a right-wing thing whereas the left definition of "democracy" is rather socialist dictatorship / theocratical/ideological rule without the right and chance to change it.

      I don't think Swedish politicians did it to get Assange. I however think they were perfectly fine keeping Assange stuck in his position and try to force him to come to Sweden no matter what the risk was for him because that's what the law said and if Sweden is good at anything it's usually to follow the terms ..

      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        Assange has just told Swedish authorities that he's an Islamic refugee. So naturally they dropped rape charges. We might be on to something here for a way to fight these copyright infringement trolls. .
      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        Heh, “refugee pride party”. Same happened to the Pirate Party in the Netherlands, which started out pretty decent. They weren’t so much about piracy but they did advocate a thorough revision of copyright law to return it to its original purpose, as well as being strong proponents of free speech and sensible digital rights. They got taken over by a new lefty chairperson as well. They are co-organisers of a march against racism (more like a hate campaign against the right) together with ques
        • Re:Pirate Party (Score:4, Insightful)

          by dave420 ( 699308 ) on Monday February 19, 2018 @07:27AM (#56151190)

          Of couse it's impossible for someone to earnestly want to improve something - they must be "virtue signalling". Also, "antifa" is a movement and not a group. And a protest against racism is only against those in the right who are racist. If you feel they were attacking you, you might just be a racist.

          • I don't feel they are attacking me directly, but they are attacking the idea of open debate and free exchange of viewpoints, and that affects me in a big way. This is not a rally against racisme, but against "those who are racist", i.e. specific people and parties. But by what standard? These days it doesn't take much to be labeled as racist or sexist: stating that you are against open borders and free immigration is sufficient, for instance. Or take Jordan Peterson, who came under fire for speaking up
          • by jcr ( 53032 )

            "antifa" is a movement

            Yeah, like a bowel movement.


          • "If you feel they were attacking you, you might just be a racist."

            If you're attacked by a violent, foaming at the mouth mob of hypocritical bigots, it might just be *your* fault.

            That's a good one, Vlad. Keep up the good work and the troll factory might just give you a bonus.

        • by aliquis ( 678370 )

          Whatever you want to call it.

          The typical hippie bullshit.

          It could be about freedom of speech, access to all information the government has access to, transparency, freedom for journalists and leakage, validy of elections, no patents, making Sweden an information/Internet freedom harbour.

          But no, instead the focus is on the right to steal whatever you want whatever information or transportation and providing nationally funded welfare for anyone who want to freeload of it.

          The party is a fucking joke. It was al

  • by aliquis ( 678370 ) <> on Sunday February 18, 2018 @09:23PM (#56149794) Homepage

    Mean-while Afghan men can murder people in Sweden and get a punishment of less than 2 years of prison.

    That's because among the adults of Afghans hardly anyone got the right of asylum so they lie and claim they are children. And while applying for asylum it's kinda ok to lie and the Migration office may believe them.

    But then when they actually do kill someone else then it become up to the court to show that they are adults and good luck with that since you don't even know who the fuck they are in the first place.

    And since Sweden don't have the same sentences for actual youth (and even less for people below 15 years old) as for adults they get a very low punishment. []
    "16" years now, supposedly "15" then.

    So less than two years for knife murder.
    Up to six years for breaking copyright.

    Make sense. The idiots in charge and those who want to keep all the afghans for instance claim we must have rule of law as far as immigration and peopleÂs behavior in response to criminality goes. But it's of course only valid when it benefit the invaders and destroy the life of Swedes. But the system definitely isn't fair or just and we don't have equality against the law in Sweden because the immigrants can do whatever the fuck they want since they can just claim to not be responsibility because they are children whereas actual Swedes can't even if they behaved like the filth coming here which by itself would be very unlikely. So far.

    • I agree. The system in Sweden is idiotic. It needs to quickly close this loophole, and especially since it takes several weeks to get the medical results back on determining one's age, Sweden needs to promptly fly back anyone who lied about their age directly to their home country (to at least make an example of them).

      That being said, I'm not sure if this blog you linked to is true. And if true, I'm not too concerned about Ahmad only doing two years. He only killed another guy who had previously raped him (

  • by Anonymous Coward

    I was trying to find Swedish sentencing guidelines for rape. The maximum seems to be either 4 years or 10 years, with actual time served possibly as low as 16 months. I may be wrong, but it seems this recommendation for this non-physical crime makes it worse than rape in the eyes of the law.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Rape isn't a crime unless it's legitimate rape, which doesn't result in pregnancy because the body has ways of shutting that down so why prosecute innocent victims for a few minutes of action which the alleged victim was more in control of the situation and older than their chronological age.

      • Re: Worse than rape? (Score:2, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        It isn't rape if the victim doesn't say no, uncrosses their legs, or if there are more than 6 males present. Based on judge rulings and previous non convictions.

        That teenager who did over 10 African men? Asking for it, obviously.

        The girl who had her face smashed in after she went to the police? How dare she deny a black male his right

    • Yep, that was my first thought. I guess we know who is writing the laws in Sweden.
  • Maybe we should punish the heads of corporations for minor civil violations like they seem to want to the proletariat.

    • Maybe we should punish the heads of corporations for minor civil violations like they seem to want to the proletariat .

      And nobody believes slashdot is affected by Russian trolls!

      • other words you can use instead, if it makes you feel more comfortable: middle class, wage-earner, or blue collar.

        You might want to crack open a book like Orwell's 1984, just to double check if we are moving towards tyranny. (ex: Prolefeed)

  • by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 ) on Sunday February 18, 2018 @09:49PM (#56149898)
    The punishment for actual piracy [], studying the prosecution of Somali pirates:

    ... the sentences imposed on pirates for similar crimes range from four years to life in prison. The average sentence globally is 16 years ...

  • by LoyalOpposition ( 168041 ) on Sunday February 18, 2018 @10:06PM (#56149968)

    Helene Fritzon received a proposal which would create crimes of gross infringement under both copyright and trademark law, leading to sentences of up to six years in prison.

    You can get a lot of political contributions from copyright holders; hardly any from murderers.


  • Considering life sentence in Sweden is 10 years, seems kind of disproportionate.

    • by Calydor ( 739835 )

      Except it's not. After 10 years you can petition to have 'life' changed to 'X years' which, as I understand it, can never be less than a total of 16 or 18 years.

  • Another nation the net needs to route around.
    Prison time and the risk of extradition? Who wants to risk Sweden digitally?
  • by xpiotr ( 521809 ) on Monday February 19, 2018 @04:24AM (#56150850) Homepage
    Basically the proposition raises the maximum punishment and divides it into 2 categories
    1. If you download something at home for "private use", the punishment will be fines and possibly UP TO MAXIMUM 2 years of prison.
    2. If you start a business where you make money of pirating content, you may go to prison 6 month UP TO MAXIMUM 6 years.
    Original proposition + google translate. []
  • I have my suspicions as to the real origins of such "recommendations" and I am not thinking of the Swedish police or civil service,

    Such ideas could ultimately have come from some criminal organisation that is legal in its home country of "not Sweden". That organisation is well known for theft of copyright itself. It only steals from the people who actually create music so feels that doesn't count.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    people can get away with less for rape.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    is trying to bring into reality their deeply buried, unconscious and socially verbotten rape fantasies by pouring into their country millions of rapists hailing from the most rapey culture in human history.

    Feminism is cancer.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Can't be arsed to deal with their refugee rapist problem though, can they?

  • Kill Michael Jackson: Two years in jail

    Copy his songs: Six years in jail

  • Criminal 1: What are you in for?
    Criminal 2: Murder, you?
    Criminal 1: Rape, what about you over there?
    Criminal 3: I sent my friend a Taylor Swift song
  • You used to be so enlightened.

  • Copyright Infringement is a victimless crime.

    Example: A is copied and becomes A2.


    1) The owner of A still has A and A is the exactly the same as A before it was copied.
    2) The owner of A may never know that A was copied. There is zero impact on A and its owner as a result of the copying.

    The owner of A may claim that the person holding A2 would (with 100% certainty) have bought a legal copy of A if A2 wasn't available. This claim requires:

    1) The holder of A2 would have legal access to buy A.
    2) The holder

No problem is so large it can't be fit in somewhere.